Canada – the new tax haven?

posted at 11:36 am on June 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Bermuda and the Cayman Islands may have some competition for Barack Obama’s vitriol over tax havens if Canada keeps on its low-business-tax course.  The Harper government in Ottawa has quietly dropped its corporate tax rate and has pressed the provinces to do the same in order to get to a low combined tax rate for businesses.  American companies pressed by the threat of the Obama administration to tax overseas profits have begun to notice:

In a clear indication that Canada is starting to be considered a low-tax place to do business, Tim Hortons Inc. announced Monday plans to shift its base of operations from Delaware to Canada for tax purposes.

Further, analysts indicate this is also a sign of unease among corporations regarding the U.S. business environment, where taxes are likely heading upward to deal with trillion-dollar deficits and proposed health-care reforms; and the White House is looking to crack down on companies that invest abroad. …

In Canada, the federal corporate tax rate is headed to 15% in 2012, and the federal Conservative government has called on the provinces to get to a 10% business levy by the same timeframe – for a combined 25% rate on corporate income. Alberta is already at 10%, British Columbia will be there in 2011, Ontario by 2013, and New Brunswick will go down further, to 8%, in 2012.

In the United States, the top corporate tax rate is in the mid-30% range. As a result, the U.S. now has about the highest combined corporate tax rate, second only to Japan among industrialized countries.

Obama’s plan to close the “loophole” of foreign profits will push more American companies into relocating abroad.  Taxing foreign profits at the same rate as domestic earnings will place a competitive burden on American companies that grants an advantage to foreign competitors.  Eventually, American companies will either have to withdraw from global competition and compete solely at home, or they will have to move out of the US in order to return to an equal tax position as their competition, whose governments only tax them on domestic earnings.

The administration scoffed at the notion that vast numbers of corporations would move their headquarters — and employees — out of the US and overseas, but now that won’t be necessary.  They can simply cross the northern border into Canada, many to the high-tech city of Toronto, to establish themselves as a Canadian company.  The lower taxes at home, along with the lack of requirement to treat all income as domestic for tax purposes, would allow them to compete more easily.  It would also put them out of the reach of the decidedly business-unfriendly White House, which has stirred up populist resentment towards the corporate world since the first day Obama arrived.

Perhaps Obama should learn from Stephen Harper instead of fighting him.  In this fight, Harper will win — and all of us will lose.


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yay! :-)

moonbatkiller on June 30, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Heck we already lost!

grapeknutz on June 30, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Do we have to get flopping heads to move our businesses there?

lorien1973 on June 30, 2009 at 11:39 AM

You watch. The Anti-Free-Trade, Tinfoil Hat Right will be backing Obama on this one.

How DARE Canada have lower taxes than the US? That’s an unfair advantage that makes freet trade with Canada totally unfair!!!!

J.E. Dyer on June 30, 2009 at 11:39 AM

it makes good sense. I would rather move to Canada than China.

myrenovations on June 30, 2009 at 11:40 AM

So… If I live in Michigan…. and my taxes are going up… and I run a small business that produces something (let’s say, a “white box” computer manufacturer)…. why the heck wouldn’t I move my business a couple miles into Canada? Find the closest town and set up show there?

My God… the world must be laughing at us…. Seriously, the USA is pulling a David Carradine.

BPD on June 30, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Tim Horton is moving North?

Good. Hope others follow suit. Soon.

Of course, there is that language barrier. Do they speak Canadien up there? Is English OK? /s

Across the Atlantic, Merkel is pushing to lower taxes as well…to inspire investment and expansion of business. So are the Hungarians.

coldwarrior on June 30, 2009 at 11:42 AM

show = shop

BPD on June 30, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I’ve wondered for a while if Canada might be the place to go. Obviously the weather isn’t ideal, but I already live in VT, about 45 minutes from the border.

My future?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5uzJVkeaUI

RightWinged on June 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM

This administration is clueless once again….

*sigh*

cmsinaz on June 30, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Seriously, the USA is pulling a David Carradine.

BPD on June 30, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Every decade or so an entertainer does himself in and becomes a figure of speech.
Today: “pulling a David Carradine”
Twelve years ago: “pulling a Michael Hutchence”

But why aren’t we getting the same “joy” from what we are doing to this country?

VibrioCocci on June 30, 2009 at 11:47 AM

I’m not a big Tim Horton Fan, more of a Krispy Kreme girl. So, if Krispy Kreme can survive the recession and move north, I would be inclined to follow.

myrenovations on June 30, 2009 at 11:49 AM

i already work for a canadian co, i’ll have to ask around to see if this will effect us…

SHARPTOOTH on June 30, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Instead of adopting the Canadian model for corporate taxes,Obama wants to adopt the Canadian model for health care.

fourdeucer on June 30, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Seriously, the USA is pulling a David Carradine.

BPD on June 30, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Wow. A little soon.

Esthier on June 30, 2009 at 11:50 AM

BLAME Canada

Business Leaving America for Canada.

WashJeff on June 30, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Well If Obama continues to insist on putting into place economic policies that hurt business then countries like Canada will take advantage of the situation by offering a better deal for corporations. They would be mad if they didn’t.

An excellent example of this sort of thing is the way the film industry, specifically Hollywood lost business to countries like Australia because it became to expensive to make films in Hollywood. Where as countries like Australia had excellent facilities and were offering very attractive financial and tax incentives for companies to film in Australia.

Dreadnought223 on June 30, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Comedic irony that Horton moved out of Delaware, the home state of a certain Vice President.

We can fully expect Ogabe to initiate a trade war by instituting a program of tariffs against U.S. companies which have moved to Canada.

I’m only a few hundred miles from the Canadian border…they have some pretty good beer…cars are cars and mechanics can work pretty much anywhere…hmmmmm.

Bishop on June 30, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Canada: lowering taxes american politicians won’t lower.

lorien1973 on June 30, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I wouldn’t exactly call Toronto a high-tech city. After all, the loony leftist mayor has decided that they wouldn’t cancel the “pride” parade in case it might offend teh gays, but will go ahead and cancel all Canada Celebrations, due to the municipal unions deciding to strike, since the city wants to take away their 18 bankable sick days per year, and replace it with a short term disability program.

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on June 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM

But don’t forget that canada has a 13% vat. and loads of other taxes as well.

lorien1973 on June 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM

How pathetic is this? Just like Canadians have been flocking to the US when they need high quality health care(at least until Obama screws that up), American businesses will flee north of the border to avoid excessive taxation. Yeah, that’ll really help our economy.

Doughboy on June 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Obama is taking the CAP out of capitalism and the TRADE out of free trade.

fourdeucer on June 30, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Joe Biden…what say you?

It’s funny how Delaware (namely Wilmington) flourished as a financial capital because of business friendly taxes and courts, yet Joe Biden thinks the best thing for our country is to do the opposite.

I guess he thinks the California model will be more appropriate.

Joe Caps on June 30, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Obama is about to get a CRASH course in economics.

Daggett on June 30, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Canada just needs to lose the Universal Health Care, lose Human Rights Commission, and hope that global warming is real, … then you have a serious competitor to the US for quality of life and liberty.

WashJeff on June 30, 2009 at 11:56 AM

But don’t forget that canada has a 13% vat. and loads of other taxes as well.

lorien1973 on June 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Would vat matter if the companies get their materials elsewhere? For example, does Canada apply vat tax to what companies buy from China?

Daggett on June 30, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Across the Atlantic, Merkel is pushing to lower taxes as well…to inspire investment and expansion of business. So are the Hungarians.

coldwarrior on June 30, 2009 at 11:42 AM

You are totally correct my friend. I just returned from from a 2 week vacation from Germany, Austria, Slovakia and Hungary. You would be shocked to see the amount of new development in both the private and public sector that’s going on there right now. There are cranes in a majority of the photo’s I took, especially around Cologne and Frankfort.

There is building going on everywhere, streets blocked because of new subway systems going in while they were asking us American’s why our Precedent was spending so much money.

Knucklehead on June 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM

What I don’t understand is, I can understand why lower taxes would give Canada a competitive advantage over say, doing business in the U.S. with RISING taxes. It’s also true in states & cities that give business a break as far as taxation is concerned. Those business bring JOBS for it’s citizens to work and make money rather than be on the public dole.Those earnings are TAXED which puts even more money back in the government till. The part I don’t understand is, I can figure this our with years of experience but only a high school education. The government has access to people with masters degrees in economics that can’t seem to figure this out.

Jeff from WI on June 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM

There is always a way – fortunately.

OldEnglish on June 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM

How can you be a socialist heaven with “free” health care and even consider low corporate taxes?

Seriously, the USA is pulling a David Carradine.

BPD on June 30, 2009 at 11:41 AM

What does this mean?

amkun on June 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Comedic irony that Horton moved out of Delaware, the home state of a certain Vice President.

Isn’t the irony that Tim Horton’s was ever in Delaware in the first place? The chain’s about as Canadian as they come, even with the attempts to introduce it here in the States.

Maybe this is a real trend, but it’s early yet and Horton’s returning to Canada may not mean much more than Canada geese flying north in the spring.

Strick on June 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM

The part I don’t understand is, I can figure this our with years of experience but only a high school education. The government has access to people with masters degrees in economics that can’t seem to figure this out.

Jeff from WI on June 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM

You desire prosperity for the country and “they” do not.

myrenovations on June 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Jeff from WI on June 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM

We need high taxes because people can’t find jobs and need support.

They can’t find jobs because we have high taxes.

But if we lower taxes, they can’t be supported.

See how that works? It’s simple … if your goal is keep people dependent on government.

lorien1973 on June 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Jeff from WI on June 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM

If the Dems conceded that tax breaks are a good thing…how would they attack Rupublicans if they could no longer say they are motivated by helping their rich buddies and evil corporations save money?

Joe Caps on June 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Canada: lowering taxes american politicians won’t lower.

lorien1973 on June 30, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I don’t believe they pay the VAT on items that are exported.

MarkTheGreat on June 30, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Look, corporate headquarters can move anywhere they want, just allow me to work remotely from my southern climate.
Sorry I need more then 2 weeks of summer.

Just A Grunt on June 30, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Obama is taking the CAP out of capitalism and the TRADE out of free trade.

fourdeucer on June 30, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Of course he will blame all of his problems on:
1) Bush
2) Deregulation
3) Low taxes

MarkTheGreat on June 30, 2009 at 12:03 PM

MarkTheGreat on June 30, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Isn’t the VAT added to the price before a customer even sees it? It’s a hidden tax, in essence, not enumerated on a receipt. If that’s the case, then it’s added to any item, regardless of where the purchase is sent.

I’ve thought that is what was attractive about a VAT. Taxpayers never see how much taxes they are actually paying.

lorien1973 on June 30, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Canadian Czar in 5…4…3…

Dear Canada,

As we have told Israel, France, Germany, Great Britain, Georgia, Poland, Czech Republic, all former Soviet block countries, and the Iranian “debate” team; we the American people love you, and support you. We wish we could help you out, but we are currently being held hostage by President Lightbulb. He is a severe fascists.

Please send all grievances to the 52% of American morons who gave the world this idiot. And please make room for us in case we have to flee from the clutches of said morons.

Sincerely,
DHS memo member

freeus on June 30, 2009 at 12:05 PM

MarkTheGreat on June 30, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Preview is my friend
Preview is my friend

MarkTheGreat on June 30, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Isn’t the VAT added to the price before a customer even sees it?

lorien1973 on June 30, 2009 at 12:04 PM

My understanding is that if a company certifies that an object is for export, they get the VAT refunded.

MarkTheGreat on June 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Obama is about to get a CRASH course in economics.
Daggett on June 30, 2009 at 11:55 AM

I think it would be faster to give him a lesson on Cause/Effect or Stimulus/Response (since we’re dealing with the natural human response to pain).

We don’t even have to “wonder” about whether Canada can lure companies there for tax purposes. Take a look at how many Television and Film Production Companies are housed and do most of their work in Canada now….. they certainly aren’t going for the Health Care!

2nd Ammendment Mother on June 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM

It wasn’t 52% of Americans who voted for Barry. It was 52% of voters. Plus of course those voters who stayed home because they were mad at McCain for taking a position that in most cases was the same as, or less radical than the one Barry took.

MarkTheGreat on June 30, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Panama is the real tax haven right now, if you set things up properly

jp on June 30, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Don’t forget that in most of these cases, we are only talking about the headquarters moving. Not the various plants and factories.

An item that gets it’s raw materials from China, and then is assembled in the US, doesn’t have to worry about Canadian VAT.

The discussion here is about what tax the corporation will pay on it’s profits.

MarkTheGreat on June 30, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Germany and Hungary are cutting taxes, as well.

maverick muse on June 30, 2009 at 12:11 PM

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/RetirementandWills/RetireInStyle/PanamaIsParadiseForRetirees.aspx

And there are other incentives for foreigners to spend time here, invest here … or retire here. For example:

Newcomers who buy or build a new house won’t owe any property taxes for 20 years.

Residents pay no taxes on foreign-earned income.

Tourism investments have 20-year exemptions from import duties, fees for construction materials and equipment, and income, real estate and other taxes.

jp on June 30, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Honest, PM Harper has not been caught saying, “Tim’s today; Moland Springs tomorrow.” Honest.

andycanuck on June 30, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Liberals believe that increasing taxes on gas, cigarettes, and alcohol will decrease their use but that increasing taxes on investment and business will increase those activities.

Yes, liberalism is a mental disease.

jukin on June 30, 2009 at 12:15 PM

they certainly aren’t going for the Health Care!

2nd Ammendment Mother on June 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Actually, they may be. At least in Canada, the tax rates are set, and if anything are being cut rather than raised. Filming is a transient industry, “on location”. At least in Canada, companies doing business are not forking out for the higher quality private health care they would be required to provide their union workforce Stateside. That is one of the points made against going national socialized health care in the USA: Business pays a small margin less for the workforce to be covered (boosting a supposed profit margin), BUT THE WORKFORCE GETS A HELL OF A CUT IN MEDICAL SERVICES PROVIDED, whether quality or quantity. It’s the workers stuck with the short end of the stick where the sun don’t shine.

maverick muse on June 30, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Jeff from WI on June 30, 2009 at 11:58 AM

If the Dems conceded that tax breaks are a good thing…how would they attack Rupublicans if they could no longer say they are motivated by helping their rich buddies and evil corporations save money?

Joe Caps on June 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM

LOL…Yup..I realize what their motivation is…I’m just wondering how someone in economics can sit back and say they’re right about the economy. It seems pretty simple.

Jeff from WI on June 30, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Strick on June 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM

I work for a Canadian company and have been to many Tim’s all over Ottawa and it would have never occured to me that it was a US company. And I guess they won’t be for long.

Still love me a large double/double and a cruller every morning when I visit the home office.

Spectreman on June 30, 2009 at 12:22 PM

many to the high-tech city of Toronto

Toronto? Pfft. Come to Calgary, usually considered the most “American” city in Canada. Alberta is the Texas of Canada. Toronto wants to be NY with a more liberal outlook.

Frozen Tex on June 30, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I’m not a big Tim Horton Fan, more of a Krispy Kreme girl. So, if Krispy Kreme can survive the recession and move north, I would be inclined to follow.

myrenovations on June 30, 2009 at 11:49 AM

There you go girl follow the doughnuts, sounds perfectly reasonable to me. LOL

LSUMama on June 30, 2009 at 12:26 PM

An item that gets it’s raw materials from China, and then is assembled in the US, doesn’t have to worry about Canadian VAT.

MarkTheGreat on June 30, 2009 at 12:10 PM

The GST eventually only applies to items that are sold to an end user. Every step in the chain before the end user gets to claim the GST they paid as an input tax credit against the gst they collect when they sell it to the next step in the chain. In addition it does not apply when shipping products out of the country.

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on June 30, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Spectreman on June 30, 2009 at 12:22 PM

It is a Canadian company; they likely moved HQ to Delaware to avoid high Canadian taxes. It really says something about how bad the situation’s getting in the States when it makes more financial sense to move back to Canada.

Frozen Tex on June 30, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Canada’s Federal Sales Tax is the GST and is 5%.
Some Provinces add a Provincial Sales Tax (PST). Alberta has no PST, Ontario has 8% PST, so mileage on taxes will vary dependent upon which province you locate in.

Businesses often offer benefits packages to employees to cover prescription drugs, dental and travel insurance, but are not burdened with health insurance premiums because health care is ‘free’. And by free I mean socialist, inaccessible and second-rate.

dailybayonet on June 30, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Timmy’s is also a pretty good supporter of the troops, aside from a minor kerfuffle with Wear Red Fridays, quickly resolved.

Frozen Tex on June 30, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Woot!

The dollar is down, oil is up, and the DOW is off 125 points!

What else can go wrong?

cntrlfrk on June 30, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Canada just needs to lose the Universal Health Care, lose Human Rights Commission, and hope that global warming is real, … then you have a serious competitor to the US for quality of life and liberty.

WashJeff on June 30, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Yup, if it weren’t for their health care and PC speech restrictions, I’d take a hard look at moving there, even with their VAT.

petefrt on June 30, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Ya’ll know that canadian bacon isn’t -real- bacon, right? It’s a bit of a deal killer.

lorien1973 on June 30, 2009 at 12:38 PM

You’re all welcome to come up here and enjoy the party. Might be in your best interests for at least the next 8 years.

Gaunilon on June 30, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Come to Calgary…

Frozen Tex on June 30, 2009 at 12:25 PM

What a gorgeous place to live! Eatin’ my heart out.

petefrt on June 30, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Toronto wants to be NY with a more liberal outlook.

Frozen Tex on June 30, 2009 at 12:25 PM

MORE? lol

“What!” said the master at length, in a faint voice.

“Please, sir,” replied Oliver, “I want some more.”

The master aimed a blow at Oliver’s head with the ladle; pinioned him in his arms; and shrieked aloud for the beadle.

The board were sitting in solemn conclave, when Mr. Bumble rushed into the room in great excitement, and addressing the gentleman in the high chair, said,

“Mr. Limbkins, I beg your pardon, sir! Oliver Twist has asked for more!”

There was a general start. Horror was depicted on every countenance.

“For more!” said Mr. Limbkins. “Compose yourself, Bumble, and answer me distinctly. Do I understand that he asked for more, after he had eaten the supper allotted by the dietary?”

“He did, sir,” replied Bumble.

“That boy will be hung,” said the gentleman in the white waistcoat. “I know that boy will be hung.”

Oliver Twist, Dickens

maverick muse on June 30, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Ya’ll know that canadian bacon isn’t -real- bacon, right? It’s a bit of a deal killer.

lorien1973 on June 30, 2009 at 12:38 PM

I’ve lived here (Canada) almost all my life, and I know of very few people who actually eat that stuff, aside from on a pizza (where it goes by its real name: Ham). Most of us eat real bacon like everyone else.

Frozen Tex on June 30, 2009 at 12:43 PM

MORE? lol

maverick muse on June 30, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Yes, more. The mayor of Toronto wants to ban handguns within the city. He thinks gangbangers get their gats from legal gun owners.

Frozen Tex on June 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Yes, more. The mayor of Toronto wants to ban handguns within the city. He thinks gangbangers get their gats from legal gun owners.

Frozen Tex on June 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Comrade Miller also forced the closure of the CN Gun Club, because you know all those olympic shooting pistols are often used in gang violence.

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on June 30, 2009 at 12:48 PM

BLAME Canada

Business Leaving America for Canada.

WashJeff on June 30, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I’m not your friend guy. I’m not your guy buddy. I’m not your buddy friend.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 30, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Toronto wants to be NY with a more liberal outlook.

I live north of Toronto, the city itself is uber-liberal. I don’t even like driving close to it. Sometimes I have to drive into the city, and I feel like I am behind enemy lines. I pray my car doesn’t break down. The mayor is a huge lefty dunce and the entire city is run by a clique of green fascists and multicultural mullahs with a huge gay pride parade. It’s basically New York meets San Francisco meets the entire Third World.

I get the heebie jeebies just thinking about it.

keep the change on June 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Perhaps Obama should learn from Stephen Harper instead of fighting him. In this fight, Harper will win — and all of us will lose.

Obambi does not have anything to “learn.” He’s goal is to tank the US economy. Obambi wants these businesses to go North. There is no “fight” between Harper and Obambi. They each have different goals but they are not mutually exclusive. Harper has the best interests of Canada in mind – hence the lower tax rate. Obambi is steering his ship straight for the iceberg. What else can you conclude? Rush was exactly right when he said he hoped Obambi failed. Obambi’s success = the destruction of America.

johnnybgood on June 30, 2009 at 12:52 PM

But don’t forget that canada has a 13% vat. and loads of other taxes as well.

lorien1973 on June 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM

News to me. We do have a 5% GST which is conceptually similiar To VAT but you could only get close to 13% if you include the sales tax applied at a provincial level (they vary). Alberta, however, doesn’t have a provincial sales tax, so we just pay the 5% (which replaced a hidden manufacturer’s tax of 13%. Although, to be fair, the GST does apply to more transactions than the previous tax).

landshark on June 30, 2009 at 12:52 PM

keep the change on June 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Yeah, but when I was in Ontario visiting, all I could think about is how nice Canadians were. Scary nice. Not used to that unless I visit Utah. Man those mormons are too nice as well. Always wonder what the Canadian and mormon agenda is. Or, maybe I am a really jaded jackass.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 30, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Will the last corporate entity leaving America please turn out the lights…

Wyznowski on June 30, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Gee, I wonder why the “I’ve never run a lemonade stand” President doesn’t get it?

marklmail on June 30, 2009 at 12:57 PM

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 30, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Were you visiting just Ontario or the city of Toronto? I’m referring to the city of Toronto, not Canadians. I have never travelled to the states but I don’t see why rural Canadians would be any nicer than rural Americans.

keep the change on June 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Frozen Tex on June 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM

That is what he SAYS he thinks. They all know better. It always simply boils down to the power concentrated in the hands of “officials” vs. the population.

maverick muse on June 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Now if only they would get rid of the Hate Speech commission …

njcommuter on June 30, 2009 at 1:02 PM

I did make a brief tour to Alberta, Canada once. I went up there to train with the Canadian forces and got to see Calgary and Manitoba. It was also the same year that the 2 were playing in the Stanley Cup playoffs which added to the entertainment value. We trained at a little place called Wainwright. Wasn’t much to see and except for the big cities there was very little civilization in between.
We went to the big mall and other then that just hung out with the Canadian guys back at Wainwright.
That was years and years ago, I have no idea what that region looks like nowadays.

Just A Grunt on June 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Does British Columbia’s climate get “too much” rain between Vancouver and Juneau? What sorts of storms would the Canadian west coast get from the Pacific Alaskan Current?

maverick muse on June 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM

keep the change on June 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM

I used to own a small trucking comapny until diesel prices put me out of business. One time I crossed over into Windsor from Detroit and I had my Golden Retriever with me. The Canadian border guard (female) asked if I had anyone with me and I said not with two legs. She then said “oh you have a dog?” so I had my dog jump into the front seat and she gave him a dog bone! Then I unloaded near Kitchener, and a woman who unloaded me petted my dog and gave me her life history including how her life partner and her were going to succeed. It freaked me out that the people were so nice when I was expecting a typical American f–u hurry up and unload me type attitude. Made me respect Canadians even more.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 30, 2009 at 1:06 PM

…multicultural mullahs…
keep the change on June 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Mullahs of multiculturalism? PERFECT!

Even better than ‘nabobs of negativism’.

petefrt on June 30, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Simple solution. First, recognize that corporations don’t pay taxes, their customers do. Second, cut corporate tax rate to levels competitive with the rest of the industrial world. Third, tax dividend income as ordinary income while continuing to treat capital gains the same. Hopefully, the lower tax rates on profits will mean greater dividends to help offset the higher tax rates on company owners.

Problem with solution. First, Democrats hate corporations and want to punish them. Second, too many people who contribute to the parties enjoy the lower tax rates on their dividend income. Third, high corporate tax rates means more money from lobbyists paid to both parties in exchange for special loopholes.

Laurence on June 30, 2009 at 1:09 PM

No wonder Rywall wanted us to elect this clown . . .

NoDonkey on June 30, 2009 at 1:15 PM

I used to own a small trucking comapny until diesel prices put me out of business. One time I crossed over into Windsor from Detroit and I had my Golden Retriever with me. The Canadian border guard (female) asked if I had anyone with me and I said not with two legs. She then said “oh you have a dog?” so I had my dog jump into the front seat and she gave him a dog bone! Then I unloaded near Kitchener, and a woman who unloaded me petted my dog and gave me her life history including how her life partner and her were going to succeed. It freaked me out that the people were so nice when I was expecting a typical American f–u hurry up and unload me type attitude. Made me respect Canadians even more.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 30, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Years ago I did a Canadian road trip and was ending it by driving through Windsor. I got a flat tire and pulled over to the side of the road and within minutes of getting out of the car to assess my situation, three guys had come out of their houses to help me. They changed my tire, chatted me up and told me about a couple of great places for dinner.

Kind of freaked me out in the moment, but in retrospect, they were so gosh darned nice.

myrenovations on June 30, 2009 at 1:17 PM

lorien1973 on June 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM

The VAT and other taxes only effect the employees that have to move with the headquarters to Canada. It is the corporation that is saving money not the individual employee.

Theworldisnotenough on June 30, 2009 at 1:27 PM

myrenovations on June 30, 2009 at 1:17 PM

You’re a chick. Chicks that break down always get speedy service from men. lol.

keep the change on June 30, 2009 at 1:30 PM

myrenovations on June 30, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Weird, when I’m always on my guard when someone is being too nice to me. I will always think that the U.S. is the greatest country to live in, but since I have lived in Germany and visited most of western Europe plus Canada and Mexico, I have found that non-Americans are usually the nicest of the bunch. Can’t explain it.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 30, 2009 at 1:30 PM

keep the change on June 30, 2009 at 1:30 PM

You’re from Canada right? Am I wrong in my assessment?

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 30, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Sounds like Canada is able to see the writing on the wall and is quietly taking advantage of Mr. Obama’s foolish and destructive agenda to our economy.

Miss Molly on June 30, 2009 at 1:37 PM

I work for a Canadian company and have been to many Tim’s all over Ottawa and it would have never occured to me that it was a US company. And I guess they won’t be for long.

Still love me a large double/double and a cruller every morning when I visit the home office.

It appears Hortons merged with Wendy’s in the 90s and moved headquarters south back then. Now they’re going home.

I consulted to a Canadian company in Toronto for three winters (they apparently don’t work in the summer). I know exactly what you mean, a large double/double and an orange cruller for me, please.

Strick on June 30, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Screw Toronto – Alberta has a lower corp tax rate, NO provincial sales tax and the lowest provincial income tax in the country. Cost of living is also lower and you can drive to Bannff and Jasper to ski.

And I say this as a native of British Columbia who hopes that his home will soon adopt some of those policies, combined with more oil and gas exploration.

holdfast on June 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Long Time Hot Air Reader and Stephen Harper supporter here. I find alot of the comments on here highly insightful and I have a couple questions that I thought maybe some of you can take a stab at concerning the US Dollar and Debt:

Background I think we all agree on:
Current US Unfunded Liabilities ($65 – 95 Trillion)
Current US Debt: $ 1 1 , 3 7 6 , 6 3 1 , 7 6 5 , 5 1 3 . 4 2
Current Federal Deficit Spending Plan: ($1 Trillion/year for next 10 years at least)
States’ Bailouts/Year once California gets the ball rolling $100 – 500 Billion/year)
China already looking for repayment of US Debt and wanting an international currency as opposed to the US Dollar)

Do any of you see a huge devaluation of the US dollar happening in the next few years as a way of repaying these debts? (10 – 30 cents on the dollar?) Currently the Cdn dollar is .86/US Dollar which is pretty high with no end in sight.

Aside from massive government cuts and raising tax rates to 80-90% of income, how do you ever get out of this downward spiral?

What is the plan when China refuses to buy US debt?

BTW, in Canada, kilometres have been replaced by referring to 1 or 2 Tim Hortons away as the standard measurement form.

can_con on June 30, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Obama is about to get a CRASH course in economics.

Daggett on June 30, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Heh, the problem is America will crash also – HOPEfully right on top of Obama.

izoneguy on June 30, 2009 at 2:13 PM

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