Breaking: Say hello to Senator Al Franken; Update: Coleman concedes
posted at 2:35 pm on June 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
To no one’s great shock, the Minnesota Supreme Court has rejected Norm Coleman’s appeal of the election contest and awarded the Senate election to Al Franken. The decision, expected last week, stated that Coleman failed to prove that recounting thousands of rejected ballots would have impacted the final results:
It is U.S. Sen. Al Franken.
The Minnesota Supreme Court today decided that Franken, a Democrat, won the highest number of votes in last year’s U.S. Senate race and deserves a signed election certificate.
The court said that Republican Norm Coleman didn’t prove that a lower court made mistakes requiring a rehearing of the case. Coleman had asked the court to order thousands of rejected absentee ballots counted. He had hoped the counting would allow him to overcome Franken’s 312-vote lead.
As I wrote before, the equal-protection argument Coleman used for this appeal had more chance of success in federal court rather than state court. The state court kept itself to the issues of state law, rather than the more expansive federal issue of equal treatment of votes. No one who followed the arguments at the court can be surprised by this decision, which was unanimous.
Coleman could push this into the federal courts, but he has yet to commit to doing so. Tim Pawlenty indicated that he would follow the state Supreme Court’s direction in handling the election certificate, which means Franken will probably take his seat this week in the Senate. If Coleman appeals to the federal court, he will have to also deal with Franken’s status as a seated Senator.
My guess — and this is just a guess — is that Coleman will call it a day. We’ll soon see.
Update: Eric Black reports that the certificate was not specifically ordered. Hmmm. That gives Pawlenty an out, if he chooses to wait for a Coleman federal appeal.
Update II: Ignore my original update II. ABC News sent out an old report, and I didn’t catch it at first.
Update III: Catching this via Twitter from Howard Kurtz — Norm Coleman has conceded. He wants to focus on fishing more than the governor’s race for now, but I think he decided to stop now to preserve his viability within the state of Minnesota. Probably not a bad decision for him personally.
Update IV: Coleman’s statement, as provided by his campaign:
“Ours is a government of laws, not men and women. The Supreme Court of Minnesota has spoken and I respect its decision and will abide by the result. It’s time for Minnesota to come together under the leaders it has chosen and move forward. I join all Minnesotans in congratulating our newest United States Senator – Al Franken.
“Just a few last words about my legal challenge. Sure, I wanted to win. Not just for myself but for my wonderful supporters and the important values I have always fought for. I also thought it was important to stand up for enfranchising thousands of Minnesotans whose votes weren’t counted like the others were. After all, issues and politicians come and go, but voting is fundamental.
“It is the essence of democracy so I knew we needed to do everything we could to get it right.
“I am forever grateful and humbled by the people of Minnesota who have given me the honor to represent them – and even more grateful for their wisdom, courage, patience and understanding over these past several months.
“The path that I take in the future is not nearly as important today as the path that we must now — all travel on together — to strengthen our state and our nation.
“I have never believed that my service is irreplaceable. We have reached the point where further litigation damages the unity of our state, which is also fundamental. In these tough times, we all need to focus on the future. And the future today is we have a new United States Senator.
“I congratulate Al Franken and his victory in this election. He now enjoys the advantage that our Congressional Delegation has over the other 525 people on Capitol Hill: he represents Minnesota.
“I know the great ideas, the amazing work ethic and the historic ability to come together to get things done in this state will help him greatly, as it has me.
“Speaking of which, I think we all should take a moment to thank Amy Klobuchar and her staff. They have done a great job of carrying the burden of two Senators these last six months. She is an extraordinary public servant.
“I don’t reach this point with any big regrets. I ran the campaign I wanted. I conducted the legal challenge I wanted. And I have always believed you do the best you can and leave the results up to a higher authority. I’m at peace with that. As to my future plans, that’s a subject for another day.
“We live in a great country and a great state. We can all have confidence that by some path we don’t yet know – one which we can all come together to lay out – we will arrive at the better future we all seek.
“Thank you and may God bless Minnesota and America.”
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. . . not following you guys closely, so . . . It does look like those were a couple examples of the pressure ramping up.
Axe on March 28, 2013 at 1:24 AM
Nah…it will play…like it did on the Titanic.
Schadenfreude on March 28, 2013 at 1:24 AM
Really? Have you actually paid attention the past decade or so?
Reality doesn’t matter. Every Republican in Congress could support SSM and we’d still lose 70% of the gay vote because we’re so darn white and bigoted and hetero and mean.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 1:25 AM
I didn’t sleep last night either. But my day turned out great. Lots of sun here too.
Rusty Allen on March 28, 2013 at 1:25 AM
:(
Axe on March 28, 2013 at 1:25 AM
And yet alchemist can’t make the connection. Or won’t.
Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 1:26 AM
So I read. Lots of people falling in during the spin cycle? If it weren’t for the Second Amendment can you just imagine what they would have done to guns? As appose to banning them of course.
Cindy Munford on March 28, 2013 at 1:26 AM
http://truthinamericaneducation.com/
is the network mother lode of information. It links to and writes up the latest news. I think the guy who runs it is a home-school dad, and I believe it was a brainchild of the American Principles Project (could be wrong on that).
Huge lists of sites here of blogs, etc., where the grassroots fighter are:
http://truthinamericaneducation.com/about-us/network-participants/
http://truthinamericaneducation.com/about-us/related-websites/
INC on March 28, 2013 at 1:26 AM
@Dire :)
I “converted” you.
Axe on March 28, 2013 at 1:27 AM
I can handle it. I did attend the Palin rally in WI during the union shenanigans. The belly of the beast.
And I believe in slippery slopes. But I also think we’re past the part of cultural change where you can move that back. Does that make sense? There are things that straight couples do that I don’t agree with and there are things that LGBT members do that I don’t agree with. However, I just don’t think that this should be the hill that the GOP dies on. I believe that we have a strong political bench and I look forward to future elections and I strongly thing that the GOP is on a resurgence of fiscal sanity, but I think there needs to be some retirements shifts and new blood for that to occur.
At the base of any argument should be the effect that it has on children. However, if the argument is going to be “well those gehs are just so flashy” well then I’m sorry, but that’s not a credible argument in my view. It may be credible to your or others. Who knows. But to me, it’s just not.
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 1:27 AM
And why would there be any difference?
You really think the establishment clause is going to stop liberals? They wove a right to privacy (and thus, abortion!) out of whole cloth with their shadowy emanations and penumbras, and they found the ability for the government to force purchase of a service through either the power to tax or the commerce clause.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 1:29 AM
So what about the photographer and the baker, they weren’t getting tax breaks?
Cindy Munford on March 28, 2013 at 1:29 AM
Hence the designation of, Fat Mouthed Liar…
SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 1:30 AM
Axe on March 28, 2013 at 1:15 AM
I am behind and slow tonight!!
It is also important Axe, but until and unless the SC rules we are all but speculatin’…
No matter which way they rule, it is gonna be ugly, I get that.
I stand in my ‘camp’ and being one person, cannot do much.
It is in Gods hands for me…We have a couple generations who have no faith in God…
I do my bit as best I can, without getting preachy…but I get my point across.
It’s gonna be a tough time…I just don’t want to dwell on it too much yet…
Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 1:30 AM
Neither. I think it was always there, just not filmed before.
But logic also says that the more frequency with which something occurs, the more it becomes part of an accepted behavior. Some sort of Pavlov direction I guess.
Look no further than to places like Twitter to see the “heart” of America. Twitter was one of the best, worst inventions and I refuse to join it because of the hate involved.
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 1:32 AM
Think of it as refining fire. It burns but what’s left behind is more pure.
Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 1:33 AM
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 1:33 AM
Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 1:33 AM
Trust me I have :-)
Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 1:34 AM
You’re stating something that I never implied though. I never said that the GOP had to make it’s platform one of SSM. I don’t care if the GOP backs SSM or not. I just don’t think the GOP should dismiss SSM supporters.
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 1:35 AM
Wow. That last “substantive” post of mine looks like I’m drunk. I apologize. The truth is — and this is not only an uninteresting, but a completely unnecessary explanation for which I owe anyone reading an additional apology, and I do apologize, again — my left arm complained, and I moved the mouse to the right, necessitating that I shove the keyboard toward the left, and causing me to make more typing errors than I usually make.
*sip*
Axe on March 28, 2013 at 1:36 AM
Seriously?
Obviously life wasn’t always prim and proper and puritan, but I highly doubt bobbysoxers were getting soused on Tequila shooters and giving it up on the first date the way girls do nowadays. You realize Mad Men is fictional, right? You’ll always have your Anais Nins and Henry Millers, but they were the exception IMO, not the rule.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 1:37 AM
Like you said there are bad people in every walk. I just think you hear about some rather than others. Do you think many people know about the Duke faculty member that tried to sell his adopted five year old son for sex or do they know more about the Lacrosse team? Did the other faculty members take out a full page ad to display their horror? I think you know the answer.
Cindy Munford on March 28, 2013 at 1:38 AM
I can’t pass on this. Of course this is coming. Gays are simply waiting things out a bit.
Tonight, Chris Wallace hosted FNC’s Special Report. And during the course of the panel discussion, Fred Barnes made the point that Christians fear this and efforts to get their tax-exempt status revoked at the federal, state, and local levels. Wallace, apparently, had never even conceived of this. He’s a fool for not seeing it coming.
Just watch. It will begin with SSM wedding ceremonies. I’ll bet you’ll see it in the employment context, too–both in hiring and in terminating. And on top of it will be the efforts to get the tax-exempt status revoked.
Wealthy liberals will underwrite the whole effort to drive into the ground the group that disapproves of what they do.
Tonight, on TNT’s Southland, the show astonishingly had a small example of what’s coming. The show has a character who’s a brawny gay cop. He’s no flamer, but I’m not sure whether he’s out. He’s played by the guy who played the soldier Bull in Band of Brothers. Anyway, he and his partner responded to a call at a pre-school at which two lesbians, donning some kind of gay protests shirts, were dropping off their young daughter who was also wearing a similar shirt. Another parent was ojecting. The gay cop ultimately intervened by chewing out the lesbians on the correct points that these were kids, they were there to play, and there’s a time and place for everything.
Most gays and lesbians–or too many of them–are anti-family, anti-childhood drama queens who make every facet of life, every issue, and the like about their sexuality. The minute they make scenes in front of kids or use them as weapons or shields is the minute I want them to turn into a pillar of salt. Let parents introduce and work out the subject of homosexuality on their own timetable.
BuckeyeSam on March 28, 2013 at 1:38 AM
Axe on March 28, 2013 at 1:36 AM
LOL! Drunk or not, you make sense…
Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 1:38 AM
Dude, I’m so tired of this topic, I would NOT blame you if you needed a drink (or two or seventeen) to wade through yet another cesspool of SSM debates.
*sip*
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 1:38 AM
Where did Jackie go? I hope I’m not about to get “crystal cleared” for my last. :)
Axe on March 28, 2013 at 1:39 AM
Or perhaps you think society is more tame than it really is.
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 1:39 AM
But, yeah, I agree, it’s gonna be tough. It already is. It’s definitely affected my motivations and I’m finding myself having to discipline myself even more than I used to have to just in order to do my JOB. The motivations have definitely shifted.
But, at the same time, it’s causing me to examine and explore my faith that much more seriously, so…
Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 1:40 AM
Good evening..:)
Dire Straits on March 28, 2013 at 1:40 AM
Men always watch my lips when I’m speaking. I’m just letting them know that I watching them watching my lips. HA!
Resist We Much on March 28, 2013 at 1:41 AM
Since this SSM has been the topic ‘du jour’ qotd has changed some…
Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 1:41 AM
If casual sex were so common in the 30′s, 40′s and 50′s, the Summer of Love wouldn’t have been revolutionary; it would have been just another summer.
The 20′s might have been a bit more edgy, but not everyone is Jay Gatsby and Daisy Miller.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 1:42 AM
Resist We Much on March 28, 2013 at 1:41 AM
Good morning!! Thanks for explainin’ da lips! ;-)
Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 1:42 AM
Flashy? I will quote the late great Erma Bombeck “I want to yawn openly at the next person who tries to make me their sexual confidante”. Sex and children are now a right?
Cindy Munford on March 28, 2013 at 1:42 AM
Yeah, but my lip-eye really freaks him out when he’s drunk. lol
Resist We Much on March 28, 2013 at 1:42 AM
Agreed. Many issues need to be handled at the seed and not the root, so to speak. That’s my issue.
But I could NEVER ever be a Liberal so there’s that.
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 1:43 AM
More than “du jour.”
What’s French for “epoch”? Epoche, n’est-ce pas?
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 1:43 AM
Anyone else notice that we are fast approaching $17 Trillion dollars in debt on our way our way to $18….?
… No, that would be gay.
Seven Percent Solution on March 28, 2013 at 1:44 AM
Interestingly, if memory serves, it was Fred Barnes who pointed out earlier that it would be the threat of the loss of the church’s tax exemption via anti-discrimination law violation that would be the avenue used attempt to force the church to submit to SSM.
INC is entirely correct. The truth in education site is quite informative on the implications and practices of common core. It turns out Catholic schools are already adopting it and the avenues for escape from it are diminishing.
(Hi Scrumpy!)
wolfsDad on March 28, 2013 at 1:46 AM
And I don’t disagree with this. However, why discuss the past when we are living in a technicolor world? I am the first to think that I was born in the wrong decade as I love romance and I Love Lucy and such, but other than historical context, I don’t see how that plays a role right now.
I just think society now is more deviant as a whole than people think.
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 1:46 AM
I always loved when the camera left the kissing couple and looked at some scenery or the stars.
Cindy Munford on March 28, 2013 at 1:47 AM
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 1:43 AM
My french is terribly rusty :-(
I only remember a few phrases… but yeah! Lol…
Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 1:47 AM
Huh.
lol — damn it. I’m not drunk.
. . . everyone always thinks I’m drunk. It’s weird. I’m just like this.
I was born this way!
O NO
Axe on March 28, 2013 at 1:47 AM
You have to first know what it is that makes one a Liberal. And it also helps to know what, exactly, one is conserving by being a conservative.
Do you know?
Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 1:47 AM
Scrumpy, TriCare IS right. TriCare is earned through military service and sacrifice for the interests of this nation. It’s not ‘free stuff’ and it doesn’t belong in that category.
You should definitely continue your treatments and get the very best care that you can. It was paid for through that service to this nation. You should NEVER feel as though you are taking a thing.
Those who have paid into Social Security and Medicare all of their working lives have kept their end of the contract they made with this nation, too. They built the cities roads and schools, raised the children, fought the wars, educated the children and helped to make this nation the leader of the free world.
Those who have never contributed to the programs they are on, those who only take, are the ones that Schadenfreude and the others are talking about when they discuss ‘free stuff’.
You keep getting your treatments and don’t you ever feel guilty or as though you are a burden to this nation.
thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 1:48 AM
wolfsDad on March 28, 2013 at 1:46 AM
Good Morning to you!! :-)
Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 1:48 AM
I hear you..:)
Dire Straits on March 28, 2013 at 1:48 AM
I like money.
Liberals like YOUR money.
:)
(Although, if you’re cute, I could like your money too – ha!)
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 1:49 AM
I noticed that when Clark Gable used the word “damn” in a film, society was scandalized.
And during the same time period men wore suits and women wore dresses…to a baseball game.
Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 1:50 AM
Thanks..:):)
Dire Straits on March 28, 2013 at 1:50 AM
Sorry. I’m a SoCon; this is my alley. Less snark, more warfare. Plus, it attracts the devil himself. His alley too.
Won’t last Scrump. :) Back to Rubio and more Glade in no time. lol — hang in there.
Axe on March 28, 2013 at 1:51 AM
thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 1:48 AM
The cost just boggles my mind hon…Thank you :-)
Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 1:51 AM
But your earlier post said that you thought casual sex was just as prevalent, just not as visible. I disagree, and I think a lot of young girls emulate reality TV stars and want to be wild and crazy party girls because it’s the “in” lifestyle.
When you gladhand and rubber-stamp a lifestyle, you turn it into normative behavior, and eventually, it becomes a blueprint for others.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 1:51 AM
Sorry I have stayed on topic for so long. I haven’t been around in awhile. I have to hit the hay, work tomorrow. Sweet dreams everyone.
Cindy Munford on March 28, 2013 at 1:52 AM
*sigh*
Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 1:52 AM
Nice shade of lipstick..:)
Dire Straits on March 28, 2013 at 1:52 AM
Bye, Cindy!
INC on March 28, 2013 at 1:52 AM
I think I’d like wearing a suit to a ballgame, just not one in August.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 1:52 AM
She doesn’t have the first clue. If she is representative of today’s higher
educationindoctrination, then we are well and truly scroomed.SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 1:53 AM
Night, Ms. Munford
Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 1:53 AM
I still believe in this era.
I was really born in the wrong decade.
And I’ve never seen an episode of Mad Men. Sorry.
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 1:53 AM
Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 1:50 AM
The 40′s is an era that I think was the most proper and also glamorous… After the war… :-)
Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 1:53 AM
Good point..:)
Dire Straits on March 28, 2013 at 1:53 AM
Goodnight Cindy!! God Bless
Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 1:54 AM
Yes, homosexuals make up 3.4% of the population. The problem is:
In that same study, regular people think homosexuals make up 25% of the U.S. population (instead of their true low single digits.) This is a product of brainwashing, every new network sitcom has some gay character on it. Pity, there are other groups just as big, but they don’t get the same media promotion.
The media has successfully pushed gays onto America, as “safe and sane.” What’s next? Who knows. Maybe pedophiles, or they’ll just start looking for new gay problems to go after (Boy Scouts?).
TheDriver on March 28, 2013 at 1:54 AM
Later enjoyed it..:)
Dire Straits on March 28, 2013 at 1:55 AM
Night, excellent Cindy Munford.
Axe on March 28, 2013 at 1:55 AM
Like I said, they CANNOT process the information.
Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 1:55 AM
My senior year in high school was the first year girls got to wear slacks. The place went to he!! in a hand basket p.d.q., I can tell you. I’ve lived through this stuff so I love it when people tell me that behavior and visuals don’t matter.
Cindy Munford on March 28, 2013 at 1:56 AM
I love you guys.
Rusty Allen on March 28, 2013 at 1:56 AM
I’m sorry if you thought I was winding up a ‘crystal clear’ moment…but Scrumpy expressed some concern that using her TRICARE for her treatments was taking ‘free stuff’ and I was alarmed when she mentioned curtailing her prescribed treatment because it was expensive so she wouldn’t be adding to those taking ‘free stuff’.
I was writing a post telling her that she should continue her treatments under TriCare because it’s not the same as those programs that many here speak of when they refer to ‘free stuff’. TRICARE is earned by the service in our Armed Forces in the interest of this nation. She should NEVER feel guilty about using TRICARE or getting the treatment she needs though TRICARE. It was EARNED. She has every right to use it and to keep it.
To be candid, it was like being punched in the stomach to learn that Scrumpy was considering taking less treatment than she needs simply because her insurance is TRICARE… a form of health care EARNED by military service. No one is handing her anything for ‘free’.
Frankly…I’m distressed at the very thought of it.
thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 1:56 AM
I’m not sure when the tide shifted, but I’m sure technology as a whole made it possible. I don’t know enough about history to comment on just when this occurred. But I also would never compare today’s society to that of the 50s.
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 1:56 AM
Do you know what the fundamental difference is between the two time periods? WHY did they act that way and WHY doesn’t the present generation act that way anymore?
Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 1:57 AM
Rubio is not welcome in the Glade.
thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 1:58 AM
Good morning to you, as well. They’re pretty catchy and freaky-deaky, aren’t they? I mean, I freaked out Axe and that’s pretty hard to do!
Got a pair of FMP Louboutins to match, too! hehehe
Resist We Much on March 28, 2013 at 1:58 AM
Oh conservatives and their thinking that people are indoctrinated all of the time. Hilarious.
Goodnight Cindy. Have a lovely day!
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 1:59 AM
I’m with you.
Just noticed you were away from the table and figured you were either “cooking something” or possibly helping a smallish toy dog with a medical problem. :)
I’m with you about Scrump.
Axe on March 28, 2013 at 1:59 AM
The late 60′s/early 70′s, I’d say. The post-WW2 boom meant that life was good and people were prosperous and the USA was on strong footing, so obviously that’s terrible and it needed to be destroyed.
The counterculture, much like OWS, had no concrete, rational ethos, just the automatic gainsaying, opposition to and destruction of all current social norms. Everything their parents thought was good was bad, and it had to be eliminated. Mainstream Christianity? Garbage. Stable families? Rubbish. Monogamy? What utter tripe!
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 2:00 AM
Why would anybody be a liberal without being indoctrinated?
It’s like rooting for the Cubs without being from Chicago. How would you possibly come to that decision through a rational thought process?
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 2:01 AM
What bearing does this have on present outcomes? Would you like that we all lived back in previous eras. This just isn’t possible.
Apparently, I’m so indoctrinated and as a woman, I can’t think for myself.
And the GOP wonders why they have a woman problem. Sheesh.
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 2:02 AM
BINGO… Out’s herself as both a troll and a moby…
SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 2:02 AM
Shorts only in gym and slacks only on cold days. Our service club even went to church together once a month. This was growing up in a university town with the kids of many professors.
Things began to unravel in the late 1960′s for college and early 70′s for high school.
INC on March 28, 2013 at 2:03 AM
Like all of society’s ills, there are two root causes: Liberal politicians/activists and hippies.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 2:03 AM
thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 1:56 AM
Oh Jackie, I don’t mean for you to be distressed!
It was a contemplation…one I should not have ‘voiced’ here.
I say things I shouldn’t…but it struck a ‘cord’ with me, about the ‘free stuff’ tho I am thankful now that I did say somthing, you have reassured me that I am not a ‘moocher’ it has bothered me for quite some time…
You and everyone here are such wonderful people, thank you for your words!
I shall rethink my position :-)
Scrumpy on March 28, 2013 at 2:03 AM
And you’re a conservative-libertarian who speaks of yourself in third person?
Axe is wondering now.
Axe on March 28, 2013 at 2:04 AM
Beast of Burden – Rolling Stones
thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 2:05 AM
The late 60′s/early 70′s, I’d say. The post-WW2 boom meant that life was good and people were prosperous and the USA was on strong footing, so obviously that’s terrible and it needed to be destroyed.
The counterculture, much like OWS, had no concrete, rational ethos, just the automatic gainsaying, opposition to and destruction of all current social norms. Everything their parents thought was good was bad, and it had to be eliminated. Mainstream Christianity? Garbage. Stable families? Rubbish. Monogamy? What utter tripe!
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 2:00 AM
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 2:05 AM
Well, as an individual who was a “Rock Star” during the 80′s and 90′s, I can tell you that this level of decadence and deviant behavior was no where near as prevalent in the 80′s and 90′s as the Media asserted that it was. Not that being a “Rock Star” would give me any kind of window from which to observe such behavior or anything.
SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 2:06 AM
Wow!1! You’d never guess that from reading the Bible, where Jesus said God created us male and female, and that marriage was “from the beginning.”
Marriage has been around as long as people have been around. It was before the first church, before the first school, before the first government. The first government started with fathers in the home, then expanded to elders ruling their children and grandchildren, then to elders of the tribe ruling their tribes. Family was the first government, the first church, and the first school.
There Goes The Neighborhood on March 28, 2013 at 2:07 AM
What Good Solid B-Plus is saying is more along the lines of facts, not arguments.
I was there and saw it happen.
INC on March 28, 2013 at 2:08 AM
You seriously don’t understand what I’m saying??? I’ve also caught some watching my mouth when I eat. If you don’t understand and aren’t dead drunk, then you must be a Trappist monk or something. I mean, you guys are really something – you may or may not be included, which will likely be determined by how you respond to this post.
BTW: Peanut butter has now, officially, been declared racist.
Resist We Much on March 28, 2013 at 2:08 AM
Well then explain all of the Cubs fans that I know that aren’t from Chicago.
I’m not saying that indoctrination doesn’t occur. It does. I’m saying that calling me indoctrinated is laughable and highly offensive.
It shows me who the Hot Air bullies are though.
Midwestprincesse on March 28, 2013 at 2:08 AM
Very nice..:)
Dire Straits on March 28, 2013 at 2:09 AM
Or just not very sharp.
Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 2:09 AM
Well that’s just because you guys looked ridiculous with the long, feathered hair, neon green cut-off shirts and the tight leather pants. ;)
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 2:09 AM
Thank you, Spritely One. I’m greatly relieved.:)
You certainly are not a moocher in any sense of the word. I almost never tear up over anything short of death, but I teared up when I read that you might curtail your treatment over this issue. You’re a good and decent person and you deserve the benefits that you have. If anyone has earned the care and benefits they have it’s our military personnel and their dependents.
If I’ve been instrumental in setting your mind at rest on this issue I’m very glad of it, indeed. :)
thatsafactjack on March 28, 2013 at 2:09 AM
Either they’re criminally insane or they suffer from acute masochism.
Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2013 at 2:10 AM
Love you
Rusty Allen on March 28, 2013 at 2:10 AM
Nope. Definitely a MOBY.
Cleombrotus on March 28, 2013 at 2:11 AM
Can corsets make a comeback??..:):)
Dire Straits on March 28, 2013 at 2:12 AM
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