Ahmadinejad kinda sorta vows revenge on western states that supported protesters

posted at 5:35 pm on June 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

Does that mean us? The One hasn’t unambiguously supported the movement, although he did feel a frisson of Hopenchange on Mousavi’s behalf the last time he spoke about this. Given Gen. Odierno’s comments today that Iran’s still training and arming fanatics in Iraq, I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that it does indeed mean us (and Britain, natch).

I don’t want to be an eeyore, but after seven years of nuke kabuki and now a coup by hardliners to cement control, I’m starting to think Iran’s not serious about negotiations.

Iran’s hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has warned the regime would seek revenge against states it has accused of fanning pro-democracy demonstrations in the wake of its disputed election.

Mr Ahmadinejad used the attack on Western powers send a defiant message in his first public comments since his controversial re-election was upheld by the electoral authorities on Monday. He said: “We must use all the capacities to break the monopoly of the global powers.”

In fine totalitarian fashion, he went on to blame the uprising on “conspiracies” organized by Iran’s “enemies.” It’s worth starting to think about what Iran would have to do, what line it would or could cross, for The One to finally declare they’ve gone too far and that dialogue is impossible. Tiananmen-style massacre? Invasion of Bahrain to bring the region’s other Shiite-majority country into the fold? If you take Team Barry’s rhetoric serious about how negotiations aren’t a “reward” for Iran but merely an exchange on mutual interests, then presumably neither of those things would be a dealbreaker either. In fact, the worse they behave, the more urgent diplomacy theoretically becomes as a way of “persuading” them to straighten up and fly right. After all, with a military strike off the table and sanctions having already reached the limits of their effectiveness, talking to them is the only chance of reining them in. Such are the options for the most powerful country in the world and its European allies.

Or is there another reason for Obama’s obsession with dialogue? Ever the cynic, Leon Wieseltier says it’s all about the O’s self-image. Gosh, that doesn’t sound like him at all:

Obama’s parsimonious performance in the first weeks of the rebellion in Tehran, the disappearance of his eloquence and his championship of change, was an attempt by the president to impersonate the rest of us, to be just another saddened consumer of tweets and feeds. Hence his refrains about “bearing witness” and “the world is watching.” That is uplift for a demonstration, or a vigil. Witnessing and watching are varieties of passivity. The rest of us witness and watch, because we can do little else. (Hitting “send” is not a muscular form of political action.) Obama seems to think that there is some force in the admonition that the world is watching; but history plentifully demonstrates that when the world is watching, all the world does is watch…

I do not agree that Obama’s diffidence about liberation and human rights is owed entirely to a fear of nuclear proliferation. He has another commitment. He is determined to be the un-ugly American. This excites him. He is consecrated to an engagement with the Muslim world, which is not entirely consistent with a consecration to democracy. Even as the brutality of the ayatollahs was increasing, Obama made a point of referring graciously to “the Islamic Republic of Iran,” as if it would be a slander against Islam or Iran to refer to the regime in a less legitimating manner.

Exit question: Are there any other international crises in the news lately that would support Wieseltier’s thesis? Hmmm.


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Maybe he’ll only launch 12% of his nukes at us, coz Obambi’s black. ‘Affirmative Irradiation’ policy.

LimeyGeek on June 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Very gangland out there lately…

RalphyBoy on June 30, 2009 at 5:43 PM

I’ll bet Obama peed a little when he was told of the coming retribution.

myrenovations on June 30, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Haha! Now Obama’s wishing he’d just kept waffling. Suckah!

califcon on June 30, 2009 at 5:44 PM

I’m on Dinner Jackets hit list? SWEET!!! Thats almost as great an honor as of being called the “Worst Person in the World” by Olberdouche :D

FontanaConservative on June 30, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Neville Chamberlain he would never emulate
As he thinks that he thought too small and gave too little too late

MB4 on June 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Come on Israel! Do us all a favor.. light dat fuse!

GoodBoy on June 30, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Iran’s hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has warned the regime would seek revenge against states it has accused of fanning pro-democracy demonstrations in the wake of its disputed election

now, mahmoud, if you keep talking like that you may get… another apology letter from obama

runner on June 30, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Obama is a psycho. It`s like someone is beating his wife as he`s walking towards them saying, “hi, let`s be friends!”

ThePrez on June 30, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Obama does believe that everything are the fault of westerners.

the_nile on June 30, 2009 at 5:54 PM

After all, with a military strike off the table and sanctions having already reached the limits of their effectiveness, talking to them is the only chance of reining them in. Such are the options for the most powerful country in the world and its European allies.

Er,..no, not in Obama’s world. He’s trying to play chess and failing miserably.

Spengler from Asia Times.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF30Ak02.html

a capella on June 30, 2009 at 5:54 PM

The “sorta vows revenge” exactly matches Obama’s “sorta condemnation.: This is kabuki theatre. Obama gave Andy a pass, and now Andy is giving Obama one. Don’t worry, their bromance is still going. The alliance between the US and the world’s totalitarians continues.

JiangxiDad on June 30, 2009 at 5:54 PM

I really REALLY wish dinnerjacket would send some of his towel heads here to rectify my attitude.

I desire this.

I want it.

Come on dinnerjacket, do your worst you midget peon.

Spiritk9 on June 30, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Oh George Bush says yes, Obama says no. He is also so damn in love with himself that he thinks dictators will go belly up for the chance to be in the same room with him.

Terrye on June 30, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Well, suprise, suprise. You didn’t seriously think Iran watned to negotiate did you AP?

boomer on June 30, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Come on Israel! Do us all a favor.. light dat fuse!

GoodBoy on June 30, 2009 at 5:51 PM

It’s going to happen, I’m afraid. And its going to mean WWIII.

I’m not a doom and gloomer, but if Israel pushes the button (and I think they’re going to have to at some point), we’re going to all be going to war (whether Obama likes it or not).

It prolly needs to happen, and I will support it (hell…I’ll probably enlist…), but I’m not going to be very John Wayne about it.

bluelightbrigade on June 30, 2009 at 5:57 PM

I don’t want to be an eeyore, but after seven years of nuke kabuki and now a coup by hardliners to cement control, I’m starting to think Iran’s not serious about negotiations.

The right words is all it will take, smoothly read from a teleprompter by an impeccably-dressed apologist for past American crimes.

Cicero43 on June 30, 2009 at 5:58 PM

The “sorta vows revenge” exactly matches Obama’s “sorta condemnation.: This is kabuki theatre. Obama gave Andy a pass, and now Andy is giving Obama one. Don’t worry, their bromance is still going. The alliance between the US and the world’s totalitarians continues.

JiangxiDad on June 30, 2009 at 5:54 PM

“bromance”

ily. :]

bluelightbrigade on June 30, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Obama is the weak horse among world leaders.

Thus the bad guys can easily set the agenda…and Obama has to follow along.

Why?

Because he is the weak horse.

All talk…no action.

High seas piracy? Still abundant along the Somali coast and much farther out to sea than it was just a couple months ago.

Iran? More emboldened to massacre its own people because the current regime knows that we nor anyone else will stop them.

North Korea? Sending a destroyer to tail a NK ship…and then what? Zip. Nada. Nechevo.

Venezuela? Obama really really wants that Lenin signed book Chavez promised him.

Russia? Might want to look at the Russian press to see their take on our wonderful leader.

China? If they call in their markers…the Obama Administration will witness the greeatest market bust ever…even worse than the 1929 collapse.

And all the rest of the tinpot dictators and oppressive new age socialist regimes? Free to do what they want when they want how they want and they know that we will do nothing to stop them.

But, our allies and one-time friends across the world?

One by one they have been insulted or left to dangle in the jaws of bad guys…like Honduras, or the people of Iran, or Lebanon, or Israel.

Less than 1300 days till we send this weak horse to the glue factory.

coldwarrior on June 30, 2009 at 5:59 PM

oboobi’s to stupid to know he’s on the sh*t list..he thinks that reserved just for dubya…mam oh man what a jackazz…

SHARPTOOTH on June 30, 2009 at 5:59 PM

It`s like someone is beating his wife as he`s walking towards them saying….

“Um, hey. Can I talk to you for a minute when you’re done there?”

Pablo on June 30, 2009 at 5:59 PM

I don’t want to be an eeyore, but after seven years of nuke kabuki and now a coup by hardliners to cement control, I’m starting to think Iran’s not serious about negotiations.

Ahmadinejad has never been serious about negotiations. The one thing Iran is vulnerable to is fuel supplies, and attempts at economic sanctions in the past were futile due to France, Germany, and Russia placing a higher value on the business they were doing with Iran. With France and Germany recently taking a more serious tone towards the events in Iran, Obama should be working with them. However, it is apparent that Obama is more interested in a uni-lateral approach. His actions and words have left him no other alternative, because he has projected the image that he alone can have positive results with Iran. Of course, this is the height of naivety, but he will never realize it until he is thoroughly b!tch-slapped by Imadinnerjacket.

ICBM on June 30, 2009 at 5:59 PM

It`s like someone is beating his wife as he`s walking towards them saying….

“…Thank G-d!”

bluelightbrigade on June 30, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Obama is a psycho. It`s like someone is beating his wife as he`s walking towards them saying, “hi, let`s be friends!”

Naaaaahhh… He would say ‘I’m sorry, did she say/do something to offend you??”

Ladywolfnl on June 30, 2009 at 6:00 PM

I’m on Dinner Jackets hit list? SWEET!!! Thats almost as great an honor as of being called the “Worst Person in the World” by Olberdouche :D

FontanaConservative on June 30, 2009 at 5:49 PM

LOL..they’re on the same side

Jeff from WI on June 30, 2009 at 6:00 PM

It`s like someone is beating his wife as he`s walking towards them saying….

“…Thank G-d!”

bluelightbrigade on June 30, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Not meant to condone spousal abuse. Wife-beaters deserve a special place in hell.

bluelightbrigade on June 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

John Murtha claimed today we’ve already lost, show him the white flag.

Jeff from WI on June 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

What’s new? Wasn’t he talking about A World Without America before all of this happened?

ChristianRock on June 30, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Ahmadinejad kinda sorta vows revenge on western states

Wow. He must’ve REALLY wanted a hot dog at the picnic.

malclave on June 30, 2009 at 6:18 PM

malclave on June 30, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Maybe he’s pissed that they are only serving Hebrew National weinies?

coldwarrior on June 30, 2009 at 6:24 PM

They’ve always been against the US.
Nothing new.

bridgetown on June 30, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Imadinnerjacket holds all the cards. The regime in Iran needs to trump up some moxy to lash out at Iran’s enemies and hopefully provoke a response from somebody. This is necessary because the regime needs to re-assert it’s legitimacy in the Iranian people’s eyes. Imadinnerjacket holds the cards because he knows Obambi will not respond – too weak. Persians and arabs hate one thing above all else – weakness.

johnnybgood on June 30, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Maybe he’s pissed that they are only serving Hebrew National weinies?

coldwarrior on June 30, 2009 at 6:24 PM

The weeny serving weenies? Obama is cannibalistic?

Loxodonta on June 30, 2009 at 6:46 PM

I’m starting to think Iran’s not serious about negotiations.

Now that’s my kind of humor. Everyday, something on HotAir just cracks me up.

Mr. Pundit, sir, you are good.

Skandia Recluse on June 30, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Let Ahmadinejad take his best shot, so we can see what Obama does.

BottomLine5 on June 30, 2009 at 7:17 PM

malclave on June 30, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Maybe he’s pissed that they are only serving Hebrew National weinies?

coldwarrior on June 30, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Obama is a weenie alright but I doubt there’s anything Hebrew about him.

Jeff from WI on June 30, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Maybe he’ll only launch 12% 6% of his nukes at us, coz Obambi’s black. ‘Affirmative Irradiation’ policy.

LimeyGeek on June 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Fixed it for you Limey, he’s only half.

TugboatPhil on July 1, 2009 at 12:03 AM

“We must use all the capacities to break the monopoly of the global powers.”

Hmm. Evidence of weapons development.

unclesmrgol on July 1, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Obama will NEVER say or do anythting in opposition to Khameni and the mullahs because he is their loyal servent.The only dialog he is interested in is that which will further his own goal of absolute control of America in the name of the religion of pi$$.

DDT on July 1, 2009 at 10:40 AM