SCOTUS overrules Sotomayor on Ricci
posted at 10:42 am on June 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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The nomination of Sonia Sotomayor had begun to recede in the public imagination, with many Americans supporting Barack Obama’s privilege in picking qualified judges for the bench. That may take a big hit after today, when the other shoe finally dropped on Obama’s first Supreme Court selection. In a 5-4 decision, the existing Supreme Court sent a welcome note to its latest hopeful by overturning her decision on a claim of racial discrimination in Connecticut:
The Supreme Court has ruled that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge.
The decision can be read here. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the court split along its usual ideological lines, with Anthony Kennedy again providing the swing vote. Kennedy wrote the opinion, while Antonin Scalia wrote a concurrence. Kennedy argues that the lower court failed to establish that the defendants met the standards necessary to discard the tests, that the failure amounted to a violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, and that the lower court therefore improperly applied the Equal Protection Clause:
We conclude that race-based action like the City’s in thiscase is impermissible under Title VII unless the employer can demonstrate a strong basis in evidence that, had it not taken the action, it would have been liable under the disparate-impact statute. The respondents, we further determine, cannot meet that threshold standard. As a result, the City’s action in discarding the tests was a violation of Title VII. In light of our ruling under thestatutes, we need not reach the question whether respon-dents’ actions may have violated the Equal Protection Clause. …
In other words, there is no evidence —let alone the required strong basis in evidence—that the tests were flawed because they were not job-related or because other, equally valid and less discriminatory tests were available to the City. Fear of litigation alone cannot justify an employer’s reliance on race to the detriment of individuals who passed the examinations and qualified for promotions. The City’s discarding the test results was impermissible under Title VII, and summary judgment is appropriate for petitioners on their disparate-treatment claim.
Scalia’s concurrence asks the question: when will we finally set aside the issues of racial quotas altogether and rely entirely on the 14th Amendment? And Samuel Alito writes another concurrence to address what he says were calculated omissions from the dissenters — a claim that surely will rankle during the summer recess of the court:
I join the Court’s opinion in full. I write separately only because the dissent, while claiming that “[t]he Court’srecitation of the facts leaves out important parts of the story,” post, at 2 (opinion of GINSBURG, J.), provides an incomplete description of the events that led to New Haven’s decision to reject the results of its exam. The dissent’s omissions are important because, when all of the evidence in the record is taken into account, it is clear that, even if the legal analysis in Parts II and III–A of the dissent were accepted, affirmance of the decision below is untenable.
This creates a big problem for Obama and the Democrats in Congress. They certainly have the votes to confirm Sotomayor, but their big sell — that she was one of the appellate court’s most brilliant minds — just took a body blow on this decision. Most people want to move past the old arguments on race and hiring, feeling that forty years of affirmative-action policies have run their course. Having to defend a jurist who attempted to impose them in a court case will not make Sotomayor seem moderate or reasonable at all, but extreme and perhaps less than competent.
Ironically, the Democrats have pushed for an earlier confirmation hearing, as soon as mid-July, while Republicans wanted a September date. I suspect the two may switch sides now, with the GOP wanting to hold the hearings in the wake of Sotomayor’s high-profile reversal, and Democrats perhaps hoping that other stories will eclipse it. Regardless of when this confirmation hearing takes place, expect Ricci to play a central part in the questioning.
Update: Alito wrote the concurrence that scolded the dissent, not Roberts. Thanks to HA reader Chris A for the pointer.
Update II: Jazz Shaw focuses mainly on the decision itself, and what it means:
We’ve made tremendous progress in this country in terms of obtaining equality for traditionally opressed groups. Unfortunately, we have inherited blind spots where the pendulum of justice has swung far past equity and into the same wrongs coming from the other direction. And today’s decision demonstrates that we continue to have powerful and influential members of the judicial system who are more than happy to have these disparities remain in the name of making sure that no person can ever accuse us of bias against minority groups ever again.
Good point, but Jazz misses an obvious conclusion. Cui bono? Keeping this pendulum on the side of intervention allows the courts to dictate policy, which is what the dissent wants to keep alive. I see this as turf protection more than an ideological issue, which the 5-4 split will mostly hide.
Jazz also thinks that the Sotomayor confirmation is a done deal, and he’s probably right. However, this will give momentum to those who want to fight it, and it certainly gives Republicans an opportunity to paint Sotomayor and the Obama administration as extremist on these policies.
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The first good news I’ve heard in a long time! I’m actually smiling!
Miss Molly on June 29, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Thank you Kennedy!
Theworldisnotenough on June 29, 2009 at 10:47 AM
oopsie! :-)
cmsinaz on June 29, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Thank God we have four white guys and one black guy without important life experience on the court, to make the hard empathetic decisions.
Expect the Messiah to be AWOL on this one.
KingGold on June 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM
The woman is a blatant racist and every possible means should be used to block her appointment to the supreme court.
rplat on June 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Wise Latina?
Not so much.
Disturb the Universe on June 29, 2009 at 10:48 AM
As long as Mr. Obama holds office we will remain in the same place, maybe worse.
Miss Molly on June 29, 2009 at 10:49 AM
It really all depends on whether you want a wise latina or common sense to rule the day.
Vashta.Nerada on June 29, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Obviously, this illustrates the need for a wise Latina woman on the Court can make better decisions than those racist decisions of which the crusty old white guys are capable.
Vic on June 29, 2009 at 10:49 AM
DOH !!
I hate 5-to-4 decisions – a case like this one should be more than simply a left-right vote.
Happy to see this – sorry to see the vote count.
jake-the-goose on June 29, 2009 at 10:50 AM
The person she’s replacing would have ruled exactly as she did, thus his vote to uphold her ruling.
spmat on June 29, 2009 at 10:50 AM
I’m thinking that the Democrats will get Al Sharpton to convince the Jackson family to hold the funeral the week of the Sotomayor hearings.
myrenovations on June 29, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Folks here might get a kick out of this Onion-style parody, which satirizes the basis for Judge Sotomayor’s lower court decision, which the Supreme Court reversed: “Lawyers Advise Fire Departments to Close Until Fires Destroy More Racially Proportionate Numbers of Homes”: http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/04/lawyers-advise-fire-departments-to.html
Mervis Winter on June 29, 2009 at 10:50 AM
No shocka
The original ‘ruling’ was so astonishingly defective there was no doubt in my mind that SCOTUS would overturn it.
Nor was there any doubt which defectives within SCOTUS would support it.
LimeyGeek on June 29, 2009 at 10:51 AM
I certainly it gives credence to the GOP position that there is way too much material still outstanding for a July confirmation to be prudent. For tactical reasons alone, the Dems are going have to figure out what to do with an overturned case that smacks of the “wise Latina” leading the charge toward discrimination on the basis of race. The mark that was left today isn’t going to be washed away by mid-July.
highhopes on June 29, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Wow. I’m really happy for the fire fighters, but I doubt that this will derail Sotomayor’s confirmation.
It will be interesting if Ed is right and they do switch sides. I can see why they would, but I believe the dems will undoubtedly stick with their original confirmation schedule just to point out the ‘hypocrisy’ of the republicans wanting to expedite it now.
therightscoop on June 29, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Is it just me, or is the 5-4 decision possibly based more on giving their opinion of Sotomayor as a potential member than whether ‘disparate impact’ is a de facto quota system?
Vashta.Nerada on June 29, 2009 at 10:52 AM
So essentially the SCOTUS ruled that white, male firefighters are wiser because of their race and gender? /sarc
Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 10:52 AM
In other news, the SCOTUS confirmed in a 5-4 decision that Supreme Court Justice nominee Sonia Sotomayor is indeed a racist.
IrishEi on June 29, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Whatever mistakes GW Bush made, he did a fine a job on his Supreme Court appointments.
trubble on June 29, 2009 at 10:52 AM
I say Monday July 6th would be a perfect start day.
Alas, I don’t think it will change any of the leftys minds…
But with the SCOTUS decision and a lefty voting for Sotomayor – will at least show the leftys true colors. And any congressperson that has voted for the Stimulus, Cap & Trade & Sotomayor – those will be three losers that ANY Republican could run against in 2010…..
izoneguy on June 29, 2009 at 10:53 AM
True. Let’s not continue that trend eh?
LimeyGeek on June 29, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Well, this new Duke Rape Case will certainly present the likes of Soto with a famale latina moral delima… should she hold for the child moltested by his adopted father because the child is black or should she hold for the father because he and the child’s “other father” are homosexuals and need understanding….
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/06/media_nervous_on_new_duke_u_ra.html
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CapedConservative on June 29, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Depends… I think your point would be stronger if Sotomayor was an activist judge who embodied leftists leanings… Oh wait…
Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Agree. I was hoping for a more clear cut 9-0 decision. The fact that 4 Justices agreed with Sotomayor will just make the liberals dig their heels in even more.
yogi41 on June 29, 2009 at 10:54 AM
*cough*Myers*cough*
He stumbled his way into the right choices.
LimeyGeek on June 29, 2009 at 10:54 AM
I am not so patiently waiting for one OHB decision that is not going to come back and bite either us or him in the arse.
HoustonRight on June 29, 2009 at 10:55 AM
I can see why that story is not being covered. Disgusting.
Vashta.Nerada on June 29, 2009 at 10:55 AM
I, too, believe that ‘it’s about time’… but, I’m bracing for the verbal race-war that is going to be waged.
In today’s culture, If you are a white, middle-class male, you are wrong. [period]
texan_forever on June 29, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Fair point. And selective memory on my part. I stand ( okay, sit) corrected
trubble on June 29, 2009 at 10:55 AM
I think it should derail her. If the court your hoping to get on overturns your rulings, I say that’s a pretty bad resume line.
Thunderstorm129 on June 29, 2009 at 10:55 AM
I think everyone understands that she’s a racist, or at the very least using past racism to justify present-day remedies. But it’s just that a large number of Americans, plus the media, plus Obie, think that’s ok. They just haven’t quite found the nerve to come out and say it. But O’s close, very close. I have no doubt he’s going for broke.
JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM
A related issue here is whether Congress will again, like it did in the Civil Rights Act of 1991 with the SCOTUS’ Wards Cove decision, amend Title VII. I haven’t read the entire decision yet, but this appears to put the screws to people pursuing disparate impact claims. This is doubly significant in light of the EEOC’s avowed resolve to pursue more systemic claims than in the past.
ieplaya on June 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Go Alito!!
cmsinaz on June 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Over the weekend, Drudge had a link to a story on how 300 (yes, three hundred) new boxes of Sotomayor material were discovered recently, and the GOP wants a postponement to review them.
Given the Ricci decision, maybe not, although there could be some Sotmayor memos on how she loves quotas buried in the boxes.
Wethal on June 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Just as a minor correction, Chief Justice Roberts did not write a concurring opinion. Rather, it was Justice Alito, joined by Justices Scalia and Thomas, who penned the concurring opinion directly addressing Justice Ginsburg’s dissent.
Mr. MacIan on June 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Interesting that C.J. Roberts felt compelled to write a separate concurrence to point out Ginsburg’s dishonesty in recounting the facts in the dissenting opinion.
I wonder if Ginsburg’s dishonesty was part of an attempt to make Sotomayor’s 2nd Circuit ruling look less arbitrary and racist than it was.
AZCoyote on June 29, 2009 at 10:57 AM
CapedConservative on June 29, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Identity politics “rock/paper/scissors” from Breitbart (albeit talking about Perez Hilton—but it still holds):
IrishEi on June 29, 2009 at 10:57 AM
Great points by Roberts and Scalia. Hopefully, the decision has wide-ranging impact. Bad news: it was 5-4 and Kennedy and Scalia will turn 80 if there is a second Obama term.
dedalus on June 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Can’t wait to hear what El Rushbo says:)
THE CHOSEN ONE on June 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM
I can’t believe how incredibly shallow the dissent is! We have 4 idiots on the Supreme Court!
SouthernGent on June 29, 2009 at 10:59 AM
It is now undeniable that Sotomayor has a disgraceful batting average, has an appalling ‘judicial philosophy’ (if it even rises to merit such a label), and is categorically unqualified for the highest court in the land.
LimeyGeek on June 29, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Thank you Justice Scalia. You always get our digs in there for us.
Jayrae on June 29, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Not as long as the Dems control Congress and the White House. Disparate impact is the big argument nowadays, as it is hard to find cases in which there is clear evidence of discriminatory intent. Employers aren’t that stupid.
So the lefties go for the “results” argument: since the results don’t “look like America” (translation: quotas representing percentages of population), the impact of a neutral hiring or promotion practice must be discriminatory.
Wethal on June 29, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Hey maybe the dems will send Sotomayor to China like they did Pelosi.
therightscoop on June 29, 2009 at 11:00 AM
copied from headline comment
btw, the Alito and Roberts picks are looking great, so far!
james23 on June 29, 2009 at 11:00 AM
THE CHOSEN ONE on June 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM
cmsinaz on June 29, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Ding, ding ding! We have a winner
Wethal on June 29, 2009 at 11:01 AM
The sun will rise tomorrow!
LimeyGeek on June 29, 2009 at 11:01 AM
This decision is a shocker. We all know that a Latino woman is far more qualified to be fireman than some old white guy.
*blech*
fogw on June 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM
To be fair to Sotomayor, even Justice Scalia notes that, “The question [about whether Title VII conflicts with the 14th Amendment] is not an easy one.”
RedSoxNation on June 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM
The ruling and decision reasoning is very good news. The vote count is scary. We need more conservative Republicans in the Senate.
Loxodonta on June 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM
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CapedConservative on June 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM
In the end this is even more important than four years of a socialist as POTUS. This was the very reason I voted for President Bush twice. With other vacancies looming though, we could be in for a bumpy ride.
Miss Molly on June 29, 2009 at 11:03 AM
I hope this will give the judiciary committee (R)s some backbone when questioning her….
cmsinaz on June 29, 2009 at 11:04 AM
She could spend her summer studying the constitution. Whites can pursue life liberty happiness and promotions.
seven on June 29, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Ed, I don’t understand your reasoning. Four Justices, including the one Sotomayor will replace, sided with her. I don’t see how a typical ideological split, which was widely expected, speaks to Sotomayor’s intelligence at all. If anything, it puts her on one side of the ideological split, which surprises absolutely no one. I think you just want to cast this as a major rebuke for Sotomayor, but I don’t think this was unexpected, nor does it change much in the debate over her candidacy.
tneloms on June 29, 2009 at 11:06 AM
The problem with Sotomayor is not the decision she and her two Clinton-appointee panelmates reached. It is that they took no time to explain the rationale for their decision. One can only conclude that they didn’t explain their ruling because they knew it was inexplicable.
That is what diminishes her, not the ruling itself.
SlimyBill on June 29, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Alito drop kicks Sotomoron to the curb with this passage….
The District Court threw out their case on summary judgment, even though that court all but conceded that a jury could find that the City’s asserted justification was pretextual. The Court of Appeals then summarily affirmed that decision. The dissent grants that petitioners’ situation is “unfortunate” and that they “understandably attract this Court’s sympathy.” Post, at 1, 39. But “sympathy” is not what petitioners have a right to demand. What they have a right to demand is evenhanded enforcement of the law—of Title VII’s prohibition against discrimination based on race.
And that is what, until today’s decision, has been denied them.
David in ATL on June 29, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Actually, he specifically did not say that. The ruling was that the City was in violation of Title VII, and therefore the court did not rule on the Equal Protection issue at all.
tneloms on June 29, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Will the MSM even cover this story, and tell the folks about the case, or will they make it look like the right on the court are out to get Sotomayor?
texasconserv on June 29, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Are you implying that our most liberal Supreme Court Justice would disregard the Constitution to favor leftist ideology and cronyism?
Loxodonta on June 29, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Oh hell yes!
bluelightbrigade on June 29, 2009 at 11:10 AM
This may buck up the Republicans during the hearings, for whatever that’s worth, because I think Sotomayor will be confirmed anyway.
This decision simply underlines what anybody paying attention already knew about her: that she was chosen because she is a Leftie ideologue, and that she is, at best, a mediocre judge.
cruadin on June 29, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Will have to be the latter, because it will come up at the hearings, so the media has to taint it now before it does. Watch for Obama’s attack on the court (a la FDR) to begin in 5,4,3,2
JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 11:12 AM
This is big, or should be. If “we” can’t make some hay out of this ridiculous decision by Sotomayor – in our post racial world – then maybe we shouldn’t be bothering with these words anymore:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
Shivas Irons on June 29, 2009 at 11:12 AM
I think this just gives the left more of an urgency to replace as many of those sitting “racist” judges. They won’t see that she was overturned – they’ll just see this as validation that they have to change the world. This decision was not unexpected. The saddest fact is that we can pretty much guess what the court will rule on almost any issue, cause it is almost always down to right-left. Whatever happened to judging on only the constitution. Oh, I forgot, that is only a “guideline.”
marnes on June 29, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Loxodonta on June 29, 2009 at 11:09 AM
well if the robe fits…
SHARPTOOTH on June 29, 2009 at 11:12 AM
If the 5 Justices who voted to overturn just had richer life experiences, they would understand that the Constitution can be made to mean whatever they want it to mean depending on the political situation.
forest on June 29, 2009 at 11:12 AM
CNN and MSNBC are reporting the results of the case, but there is absolutely no mention of Sotomayor. Shocker.
THE CHOSEN ONE on June 29, 2009 at 11:13 AM
I’m not sure Souter would’ve merely rubber-stamped the lower courts ruling, as Sotomayor did.
hawksruleva on June 29, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Door #2. But they can’t deny the reality of the hearings unless they choose to air Prison Documentaries, which seems to be their Plan B.
sherry on June 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM
I guess, in retrospect, my life experiences make we wiser than she proved to be. I knew the right answer to that one.
Does that qualify me for an advance-in-pay-grade on my social security check?
Yoop on June 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Now if only we can get some Filipino inmates to do a little Gloria Estefan montage…
bluelightbrigade on June 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Maybe this will change the debate –
CNN Poll: Two-thirds think firefighters were discriminated against
(Twittered by AP)
Loxodonta on June 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Just as facts have no meaning in arguing Cap and Trade or the upcoming Health care debate, Supreme Court decisions have no relevance when they don’t confirm predisposed political decisions.
Sotomayor and her supporters, MSM, editorial pages, other activist judges will use this as a rallying call shouting very loudly that it is further proof Sotomayor needs to be on the court. In fact I would not be surprised if her Senate/House supporters use their time to belittle the decision and in fact promise to overturn it the minute she is confirmed by bringing up new cases from the lower courts that they control–the ninth circuit comes to mind.
But in the interim, oh happy day!
patrick neid on June 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Wouldn’t that be an interference in the “democratic” process… Oh that’s right… the SCOTUS doesn’t represent the
authoritaaawill of Teh Payple!Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM
The third branch hasn’t been in the forefront, yet, of the anti-Obama movement, but it will have to begin to weigh-in sooner or later. Act II begins.
JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 11:14 AM
She’s far too wise to be wrong – evah!
Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Absolutely. They tried to hide the constitutional issues in a few vague paragraphs, so SCOTUS would not consider it worthy of review.
But they got called on it by a colleague, Jduge Cabranes, who laid out the constitutional issues for SCOTUS in exquisite detail in his dissent from the denial of review en banc.
Kind of like Alito calling out Ginsberg for fudging facts. Facts are stubborn things for Dems. Why they cover their ears and sing, “La, la, la. I can’t hear you.”
Wethal on June 29, 2009 at 11:15 AM
This why we need a Wise Latina’s empathy on the Court, so’s those stodgy old white men will stop with the common sense already.
infidel4life on June 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM
FWIW the Court definitely made the right decision. However, what disturbs me is the split decision with 4 dissenting votes, seemingly on ideological lines. Should this decision really have come down to ideology, especially if Roberts’s concurrence is correct, and the 4 dissenters overlooked some things? The fact is, it looked like it did.
And that’s why I fear this is wishful thinking:
Problem is, Sotomayor and the 4 left-leaning justices are all effectively in agreement, so that means Sotomayor is no more extreme or incompetent than anyone on the left side of the Court. Which in fact means she is the “perfect replacement” for the departing justice — not any particular embarrassment IOW. In fact, the fact that she was “denied justice” by the “tyrannical 5″ makes it all the more imperative that she be confirmed.
In this narrative, the fact that it was her decision being overturned is just the luck of the draw (and not her particular penchant for drawing controversy, for instance). And her decision was not contradicted by anyone to the left of Anthony Kennedy, making her a “moderate” by those standards. (Had the vote been 9-0 or even 7-2, I’d be more apt to agree w/you Ed.)
In the same vein, the court decision can and will (I predict) be brushed off as a “squeaker” made along purely political lines, which can thus hardly be held against the nominee.
Or am I wrong?
RD on June 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM
This is definitely not the only decision by Sotomayer, based on racism, that has been overturned. If she wasn’t a racist, Obama would never have chosen her. We could be witnessing the most corrupt administration in our history.
volsense on June 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM
But Obama was a C0stituti0nal Law Profess0r…
Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM
I have this quaint notion that somehow, Roberts is going to save the country, and that the court, and not the Potus, will be viewed as the protector of the Constitution.
JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Winners: Equal Justice Under the Law, & the American People.
Losers: Statists who support affirmative action and the concept that some people are more equal than others.
BottomLine5 on June 29, 2009 at 11:18 AM
That’s because the SRM hasn’t been told yet exactly what to say about Soto in respect to the decision. But hang on, it’s coming.
JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 11:18 AM
The only way that’s going to even be possible is if Roberts doesn’t uphold the will of
ACORNTeh Payple!Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM
MSNBC just mentioned some bs poll in which 62% favor Soto’ confirmation. Running cover, utterly predictable.
THE CHOSEN ONE on June 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM
FYI, Roberts is a white male. I scarcely see how he could uphold the will of the people in any event.
JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Obama was no Constitutional Law professor (as you know) in spite of those credentials that he asserts. The Constitution will be his downfall in the end.
BottomLine5 on June 29, 2009 at 11:20 AM
We need to remember this one victory. We got some hard hits ahead of us…
Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I shudder to think of the media’s message today if the decision went the other way. One’s mental health can only take so much.
sherry on June 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM
I heard Roberts clings to his guns, Bible, and tea bags.
Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Does anyone know how many times Soto’s been overturned by the SCOTUS? I’ve lost count.
THE CHOSEN ONE on June 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Well, he is a C0stituti0nal guy…
Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM
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