Coups, interference, and the shifting standards of Obama; Update: Coup or ‘military impeachment’?

posted at 11:28 am on June 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

It’s difficult to make sense out of the foreign policy coming out of the White House under Barack Obama.  On the one hand, Obama insisted that he could not interfere with the internal politics of the “sovereign government of Iran,” refusing for days to even condemn Iran for its flagrantly violent repression of dissent.  When Honduras’ military staged a coup, though, Obama apparently had no such reticence in involving the US on behalf of deposed President Manuel Zelaya — a close ally of Hugo Chavez:

In an unusual concurrence of views, the Obama administration and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said they still recognized Mr. Zelaya as Honduras’ president. The State Department called the events an “attempted coup” and urged Mr. Zelaya’s “return and restoration of democratic order.”

U.S. officials said they were engaged in multinational efforts to resolve the crisis, through the Organization of American States and European allies. At the same time, Washington wants a resolution “free from external influence and interference,” a senior official told reporters during a conference call organized by the State Department.

The official, who spoke on the condition that he not be named, said the U.S. Embassy in Honduras was “consistently and almost constantly engaged in the last several weeks working with partners” and that U.S. officials were “in contact with all Honduran institutions, including the military.” However, the military stopped taking the embassy’s calls since the coup attempt, the official said.

The Wall Street Journal also reports Obama’s eagerness to “interfere”:

The Obama administration and members of the Organization of American States had worked for weeks to try to avert any moves to overthrow President Zelaya, said senior U.S. officials. Washington’s ambassador to Honduras, Hugo Llorens, sought to facilitate a dialogue between the president’s office, the Honduran parliament and the military.

The efforts accelerated over the weekend, as Washington grew increasingly alarmed. “The players decided, in the end, not to listen to our message,” said one U.S. official involved in the diplomacy. On Sunday, the U.S. embassy here tried repeatedly to contact the Honduran military directly, but was rebuffed. Washington called the removal of President Zelaya a coup and said it wouldn’t recognize any other leader.

The U.S. stand was unpopular with Honduran deputies. One congressman, Toribio Aguilera, got prolonged applause from his colleagues when he urged the U.S. ambassador to reconsider. Mr. Aguilera said the U.S. didn’t understand the danger that Mr. Zelaya and his friendships with Mr. Chavez and Cuba’s Fidel Castro posed.

Zelaya was violating his country’s constitution with his referendum that would have, Chavez-style, repealed term limits on the presidency.  The Honduras Supreme Court ruled the referendum illegal, and the military refused to distribute the ballots.  Instead of backing down, Zelaya fired the head of the military, which precipitated the ouster.

Clearly, democracies cannot abide armed overthrow of elected governments, but that presumes that the government acts within the rule of law.  Zelaya had no intention of doing so, and his flagrant violations and attempt to accrue personal power made that crystal clear. Zelaya had begun seizing dictatorial powers, and the military responded by arresting him.  The military then handed power back to the legislature rather than keeping it for themselves, which makes this less of a coup and more of a military impeachment.

Why did Obama decide to intervene on behalf of a “president” obviously abusing his power and to prevent the military from removing him once he started acting like a dictator?  He didn’t put nearly that much effort into assisting Iranians who have gone into the streets and died to protest the mullahcracy that oppresses them.  Rick Moran thinks that’s a pretty good question as well:

Further, the military was acting under the orders of the Honduran Supreme Court although they apparently exceeded their authority by whisking him away to Venezuela. And finally, it was Zelaya’s actions in violating the constitution, ignoring a ruling by the Supreme Court that any referendum be put on would be illegal, and the universal belief in Congress, the military, and much of the populace that eventually, he would little more than a stand in for Chavez if he was allowed to carry out his illegal referendum that sealed Zelaya’s fate.

And yet our president, acting contrary to American interests, chose the route of least resistance and condemned what many Hondurans believe was a restoration of constitutional order. The president will find himself in familiar territory with this condemnation – Castro, Ortega, and other Latin American leftist thugs also condemned the coup. Maybe someone could look it up but when was the last time we were on the same side with Cuba on any international issue?

Way to go Barry. Like, we should listen to the Castros when they complain about democratic procedure not being followed? …

In fact, after swearing off “interferring” in Iran where demonstrators were getting shot, beaten, and axed to death, our clueless Chief Hypocrite worked frantically behind the scenes to save Honduran President Zelaya’s job, thus [interfering] on the wrong side while making himself out a liar on Iran.

We’re getting a close look at Obama’s priorities, and they’re hideously out of step with democracy and the rule of law.

Update: The controversy now is whether this is a coup or a lawful action on behalf of the Honduras legislature and courts.  Fausta has gone on record saying it’s not a coup, as the military responded to a request from the legislature and courts to remove Zelaya.  I tend to agree with Larisa Alexandrovna on this point, though:

As noted here (in Spanish), the Honduran Congress cited repeated violations of the Honduran Constitution by President Manuel Zelaya and voted for his removal. That said, as I noted earlier, he is both a bad guy and a good guy. This is a complex political environment in a very unstable part of the world.

The right sees this as a simple restoration of democracy. Yet the use of military personnel to detain, arrest, and transport a sitting president to another country against his will is not part of any democratic process that I am aware of. They do have courts in Honduras and a legal system. This is a coup, despite the passions of the right-wing. They also have law enforcement. Anytime the military becomes involved, it is not as simple as impeachment by Congressional edict through military force. Shorter=coup.

Had the military arrested and detained Zelaya in advance of an impeachment action and/or criminal prosecution, then I could go with the not-a-coup argument.  Dumping him outside of the country is not exactly a due-process removal — and I think that falls into the yes-it’s-a-coup territory.  Perhaps necessary, perhaps very supportable, but it’s obviously an extralegal removal, which is the very definition of a coup.


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Birds of a feather…

BPD on June 29, 2009 at 11:31 AM

It’s difficult to make sense out of the foreign policy coming out of the White House under Barack Obama.

Really?

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Appears pretty easy to me. If you are a far leftist or muslim theocracy Obama is on your side.

jukin on June 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Are You in Good Hands? – Allstate Guy

moonbatkiller on June 29, 2009 at 11:33 AM

No rush to make the right choice. Only a rush to make the wrong choice.

Thunderstorm129 on June 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM

What’s the weather like in Manchuria, this time of year ?

redrock on June 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM

It’s hard for me to decide what is actually scarier, that Obam’ter and Crew are just complete doofus incompetents who have no idea what they are doing, or he actually does prefer to side with human rights violaters and lawbreakers. Either way, I know the results are the same.

I gotta buy more ammo…

JamesLee on June 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Hmmmmm! This is amazing! Maybe Obama didn’t want we little poeple to get any ideas when he declared term limits abolished for the POTUS.

Vince on June 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Obama routinely “interferes” when it comes to democracies like Israel and Honduras, but remains silent in the case of oppressive dicatatorships such as Iran or North Korea.

During the campaign, I was concerned we were about to elect another Jimmy Carter. Someone who would appear weak on foreign policy and allow thugs free reign to do whatever they please.

Now I’m terrified that we elected a Marxist thug who actually sees eye-to-eye with people like Chavez, Castro, Zelaya, and Ahmadinijad.

Doughboy on June 29, 2009 at 11:36 AM

If I’m the new Honduran president I’d tell Obama that the crisis is over, that it was handled by Hondurans, and that any further meddling by the United States would not be appreciated.

exceller on June 29, 2009 at 11:36 AM

We’re getting a close look at Obama’s priorities, and they’re hideously out of step with democracy and the rule of law.

yeah, it’s called socialism……

SHARPTOOTH on June 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM

One country is more tiny than the other…

mjbrooks3 on June 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM

The Professor of Goonism sides with dictators playing for perpetual power? Go figure.

forest on June 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Bambis actions are easy to explain, and are consistant.

In both cases he supported the exisiting “President” of the countries involved.

Even when those Presidents exceed their authority, or brutalize their own people, or put on a bogus election… Bambi supports them.

After all, he does NOT want to see the righteous wrath of a suppresed people throw down an Autocrat, it might start a trend.

Romeo13 on June 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Obama can’t get away with running without a resume in ’12. The question is how much can he accomplish before then. The race is surely on.

JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM

What’s the weather like in Manchuria, this time of year ?

redrock on June 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Warm, with lots of mosquitoes. Similar to Honduras.

DarkCurrent on June 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM

It’s difficult to make sense out of the foreign policy coming out of the White House under Barack Obama.

NOT.READY.TO.LEAD.

SouthernGent on June 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM

You forgot to mention that Zelaya lead a mob to storm a military complex where the ballots from Venezuela were being held, and that the Honduran constitution requires that any President that advocates against the term limits be removed from office.

Count to 10 on June 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM

I’m sure a troll will come along any moment… let me re-post this.

Oh, and what is the difference between Iran and Honduras? Pay attention trolls!

The reason so many cons were sympathetic to the Iranian protesters was not simply because they were being denied basic human rights… No, it was also because after participating in a government sanctioned, shall we say, referendum, it still didn’t count.

Now in Honduras, I’m pretty sure Zelaya’s referendum was not sanctioned by the government.

This is not to say that if Iran had not had elections, cons would not push for reform. That said, even with the most likely fraudulent election, many cons simply were saying that Custard Licking Obama should simply come out with a strong statement promising that the United States would always support individual freedoms and liberalized societies… still haven’t seen that statement.

Obama has proved the opposite. He has shown that he actually has no problem supporting corrupt dictators in the name of democracy (read The Republic, trolls – I’m sure Obama has)… Whereas he had trouble even bringing up his beloved democracy (much less liberty) while Neda was bleeding out. Hmmm… Why is that?

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM

We’re getting a close look at Obama’s priorities, and they’re hideously out of step with democracy and the rule of law.

I told you so….

I wonder what the percentage of voters that voted for Obama are also “hideously out of step with democracy and the rule of law”?

I would HOPE that many Obama voters would now CHANGE their minds when they see what a SHAM Obama really is.

Obama is “hideously out of step with democracy and the rule of law” even when it comes to his own country. How soon before Obama plunges this nation into a crisis regarding the US Supreme Court?

izoneguy on June 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM

We’re getting a close look at Obama’s priorities, and they’re hideously out of step with democracy and the rule of law.

And yet even most of his critics will say that they “like him as a person”. What is there to like?

myrenovations on June 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Should we start a “Not in My Name” style campaign and apoligize to the world for the actions of our moronic President?

Of course not is the answer, but watching Obama mishandle foreign policy is embarrasaing to say the least.

DrW on June 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM

It would be nice if we had a working press so that we could pepper the White House and the State Department to find out what legal head of a pin they are standing on to support Zelaya.

A second question might solicit their opinion on the process that Zelaya was using undermine the constitution and his ultimate goals.

patrick neid on June 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM

If I’m the new Honduran president I’d tell Obama that the crisis is over, that it was handled by Hondurans, and that any further meddling by the United States would not be appreciated.

exceller on June 29, 2009 at 11:36 AM

It’s important to remember now that everything they used to say about the US interfering in foreign countries for the detriment of all is now true. The Am. gov’t doesn’t represent you. What is does in your name is something you will have to apologize for. It is a force for evil in the world, and it must be opposed.

JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Obama has a history of this in Chicago:

- Getting people kicked off the ballot for state senate seat.

- Digging up divorce files for democratic opponent in US Sentate primary.
- Digging up divorce records for US Sentate general election.

This man does not believe in choice for the people. Statism all the way for him.

WashJeff on June 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Obama is just setting the stage so that he can run for a 3rd and 4th term… The constitution be damned… I am THE ONE.

roux on June 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Obama can’t get away with running without a resume in ‘12. The question is how much can he accomplish before then. The race is surely on.

JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Hey now, he did sign into law the Lily Leadbetter Act. That is a resume enhancer for sure.

myrenovations on June 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Hard to say I’m too surprised to see him trying to help Hugo. If Ahmedinijad’s supporters were the ones crying foul, maybe he’d have intervened in Iran as well.

Esthier on June 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM

It would be nice if we had a working press so that we could pepper the White House and the State Department to find out what legal head of a pin they are standing on to support Zelaya.

A second question might solicit their opinion on the process that Zelaya was using undermine the constitution and his ultimate goals.

patrick neid on June 29, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Ask @jaketapper on twitter. I did this morning. Sometimes that works.

JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM

The difference is that in the case of Honduras, a socialist is being thrown out.

Vashta.Nerada on June 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM

This isn’t hard to understand at all. Obama didn’t want to criticize the iranian regime, he likes them. It hurt him to have to do even the mildest rebuke.

As far as Honduras goes, he wanted to see another country get their constitution changed in favor of communistic ‘president for life’ leadership because that’s what this P.O.S. is going to try to do in the USA using these other countries as misplaced precedents.

Anybody that doesn’t believe the fascist in chief is going to try this is flat out crazy.

Spiritk9 on June 29, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Obama routinely “interferes” when it comes to democracies like Israel and Honduras, but remains silent in the case of oppressive dicatatorships such as Iran or North Korea.

During the campaign, I was concerned we were about to elect another Jimmy Carter. Someone who would appear weak on foreign policy and allow thugs free reign to do whatever they please.

Now I’m terrified that we elected a Marxist thug who actually sees eye-to-eye with people like Chavez, Castro, Zelaya, and Ahmadinijad.

Doughboy on June 29, 2009 at 11:36 AM

A not-insignificant point: Republics are defined by the rule of law, Democracies by rule of the majority. As such, Democratic Republics are what we are actually looking for in government, and an actual Democracy is not something you want to touch with a ten foot pole.

Count to 10 on June 29, 2009 at 11:42 AM

STOP CALLING IT A F#CKING “COUP”!!!

BuzzCrutcher on June 29, 2009 at 11:43 AM

It’s seems quite simple, really. Neither Iran, nor North Korea pose a direct threat against him. His own military, on the other hand ….

OldEnglish on June 29, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Is it clear to you now that Obama is unfit for office?

old trooper2 on June 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM

The difference is that in the case of Honduras, a socialist is being thrown out.

Vashta.Nerada on June 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Really? Was he brown?

JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Difficult to make sense? Actually, it makes great sense. Under Obama, United States will interfere not for democracy and human rights but for progressive tyrants and dictatorships. Whst’s so hard to understand about it?

It’s not rhetorical. After the Cold War, the extreme left has congealed in a few dictatorships. They know that capitalism n democracy are toxic for their agenda and they were mortally afraid of US power to unseat their few remaining bases of unchecked power. Now they have managed to co-opt the same power in their favor.

promachus on June 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I lived in Chicago for 14 years, and, trust me, there IS no “rule of law” as such in that city. It’s “who you know” and “what’s in it for me?”. Obama doesn’t like Honduras setting a precedent for getting rid of a corrupt president trying to overturn the rule of law? Hmmm. Maybe it’s hitting a little close to home for our Chief Empty Suit?

bradley11 on June 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM

It’s important to remember now that everything they used to say about the US interfering in foreign countries for the detriment of all is now true. The Am. gov’t doesn’t represent you. What is does in your name is something you will have to apologize for. It is a force for evil in the world, and it must be opposed.

JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Gulp.

Count to 10 on June 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM

STOP CALLING IT A F#CKING “COUP”!!!

BuzzCrutcher on June 29, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Amen. That irritates me too. It’s not a coup. It’s the Supreme Court telling the existing President he can’t circumvent the constitution to do what he wants. The military is just following those orders.

Thunderstorm129 on June 29, 2009 at 11:45 AM

STOP CALLING IT A F#CKING “COUP”!!!

BuzzCrutcher on June 29, 2009 at 11:43 AM

I’ll second that (minus the implied profanity).

Count to 10 on June 29, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Why did Obama decide to intervene on behalf of a “president” obviously abusing his power

I believe this question answers itself.

Obama wanted to prevent Honduras from setting a precedent.

MarkTheGreat on June 29, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Wow, BO finds himself in the same camp as Castro, Chavez, Ortega…….shocking I tell, shocking. Who would thunk our socialist community organizer would be in bed with uber lefty dictators and despots.

David in ATL on June 29, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Zero needs to take a serious vacation from all his vacationing.

As Yogi Berra has said you can learn a lot by observing. Zero is too busy joyriding Scare Force One, cross country dating or aiming a wrecking ball at our health care system.

viking01 on June 29, 2009 at 11:48 AM

I think L.E. Ikenga is right, he is an African Colonial (per article from American Thinker). He is aligning himself with those of like minds and those who can promote his agenda to become leader of the world.

VaGal on June 29, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I said this last night, but Barry should have at least made Zelaya kiss the ring before endorsing him. Barry can’t even pull off evil dictator.

America, you can do better!

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Zelaya was violating his country’s constitution with his referendum that would have, Chavez-style, repealed term limits on the presidency.

Obama is considering following Zelaya’s lead in 2015 or so.

brak on June 29, 2009 at 11:50 AM

revise the Bush Axis of Evil speech to include Obama

jp on June 29, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Obama wanted to prevent Honduras from setting a precedent.

MarkTheGreat on June 29, 2009 at 11:46 AM

+1

O-bey want to repeal the 8 year limit of holding the presidency. He wants the FDR generational presidency.

portlandon on June 29, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Maybe Barry realizes that after he’s done with the SwaggaPrez, he’ll need some friends to get him onto the United Nations Human Rights Council

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:51 AM

O-bey want to repeal the 8 year limit of holding the presidency. He wants the FDR generational presidency.

portlandon on June 29, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Of course: I mean, how can he maintain a depression long enough for it to be called great if he is limited to eight years.

Count to 10 on June 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM

This is a no-brainer. Obama “aspires” to be a Chavez. So why would he defend democracy and the rule of law except through hesitant lip-service?

He plans to be president for life, so what’s happening in Honduras sets a bad example for us later on.

Daggett on June 29, 2009 at 11:53 AM

It’s difficult to make sense out of the foreign policy coming out of the White House under Barack Obama.

No it’s not difficult to make sense of Obama’s actions; we are just all afraid of where our conclusions will lead. Clearly, he empathizes with tyrants, like Ahmidenijad, Chaves, and Zelaya.

bitsy on June 29, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I think we need to hear what Rev. Wright has to say about this… I’m sure it’s all a Joooish conspiracy…

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Obama wanted to prevent Honduras from setting a precedent.

MarkTheGreat on June 29, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Exactly.

Daggett on June 29, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Assume anything Obama does will attempt to increase the power of a central authoritarian figure and you’ll rarely go wrong.

lorien1973 on June 29, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Would this ever be possible here in the U.S.? For troops to arrest the POTUS for doing something nuts?

aebloo on June 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Wow, BO finds himself in the same camp as Castro, Chavez, Ortega…….shocking I tell, shocking. Who would thunk our socialist community organizer would be in bed with uber lefty dictators and despots.

David in ATL on June 29, 2009 at 11:47 AM

There’s a fine line between wanting to play nice with foreign dictators and actually siding with them politically. I had suspicions about Obama, but I never wanted to believe that he would throw the citizens of Iran, Israel, and Honduras under the bus. And do it out in the open like this.

And to think we have to put up with 3 1/2 more years of this?! He’ll go down in history as the Hindenburg of Presidents. Or the “Rocky V of Presidents” as that Drinking With Bob dude called him.

Doughboy on June 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM

I gotta buy more ammo…

JamesLee on June 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM

It is beginning to get pretty scary when that seems to be the only option as a reaction to an Obama decision.

Things could get real bad before they start to get better.

Yoop on June 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM

I’ve noticed that trolls are conspicuously absent on substantive threads because “Oh yeah!” seldom works as a comment in these cases.

Cindy Munford on June 29, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Obama is just setting the stage so that he can run for a 3rd and 4th term… The constitution be damned… I am THE ONE.

roux on June 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Good Luck with that – our military does not like Obama.

izoneguy on June 29, 2009 at 11:56 AM

It’s difficult to make sense out of the foreign policy coming out of the White House under Barack Obama.

Just imagine a 12 year old is in charge.

Now it makes perfect sense.

fogw on June 29, 2009 at 11:57 AM

How long, or should I ask, what’s it going to take to get Barry removed from office? I’d say adding up everything he’s screwed up on top of his anti-democratic policies he’s implementing along with his support and actual working behind the scenes to undercut democracy in another country certainly should be qualification for removal from office immediately.

….awaiting the Fox news alert informing us that the house, senate, and supreme court are removing zerobama and crew, new elections this november!

My dream of the day.

Spiritk9 on June 29, 2009 at 11:57 AM

What’s the weather like in Manchuria, this time of year ?

redrock

Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

Terry_Dyne on June 29, 2009 at 11:57 AM

It wouldn’t have made any sense if Obama wasn’t in lockstep with the commie despots. I wouldn’t have known what to make of it.

Buddahpundit on June 29, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Obama routinely “interferes” when it comes to democracies like Israel and Honduras, but remains silent in the case of oppressive dicatatorships such as Iran or North Korea.

I still laugh at the fact that he ignores the missile tests in North Korea, pusses out on Iran’s treatment of protesters, but gets his panties in a twist over the natural growth of Israeli settlements.

“Yes we can” indeed.

mjk on June 29, 2009 at 11:58 AM

He’ll go down in history as the Hindenburg of Presidents.

Doughboy on June 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM

And watching that explosion will be delightful indeed.

izoneguy on June 29, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Helloooooo, its all about the votes folks. We dont have over 11 million Middle Eastern folk here. But we do have over 11 million Central American folk who are about to be on the winning end of a “shove down our throats” amnesty bill.
In Fact, I wouldn’t put it past Obama to claim the citizens there are being oppressed and offer the United States as a haven.
Hopey Changey

the Coondawg on June 29, 2009 at 11:59 AM

And in other news, Robert Gibbs was dunked by Obama…yuk, yuk, yuk.

Thunderstorm129 on June 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Patience, people, patience. Slow Joe told us up front that sometimes Barry might do things which at first didn’t seem quite right but in the long run would turn out to be best for us all. Don’t fret.

a capella on June 29, 2009 at 12:01 PM

I’ve noticed that trolls are conspicuously absent on substantive threads because “Oh yeah!” seldom works as a comment in these cases.

Cindy Munford on June 29, 2009 at 11:56 AM

I suspect that, in some cases, it is even possible that the trolls can be stunned into silence.

Yoop on June 29, 2009 at 12:01 PM

“Che Guevara gave the world hygiene.”

“America is one of the largest Chavista nations in the world”

“There are those, uh that would demand a liberalized South America, and to them, I’d say, uh that they should first consider funding ACORN.”

~~~Obama

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 12:01 PM

start the impeachment….please

marktarheel on June 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Has playing basketball and golfing taken the place of Nero’s fiddle?

You’re right, Cindy. The Trolls can’t defend the indefensible.

kingsjester on June 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Terry_Dyne on June 29, 2009 at 11:57 AM

/sarc ?????

Cindy Munford on June 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM

He’ll go down in history as the Hindenburg of Presidents.

Doughboy on June 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM

And watching that explosion will be delightful indeed.

izoneguy on June 29, 2009 at 11:58 AM

But will the media cover it? Might have to go see it in person.

forest on June 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Patience, people, patience. Slow Joe told us up front that sometimes Barry might do things which at first didn’t seem quite right but in the long run would turn out to be best for us all. Don’t fret.

a capella on June 29, 2009 at 12:01 PM

You know, in hindsight, that has to go down in history as one of the most shrewed political statements of all time. Premptively say “you’re too stupid to understand what we’re doing” and then delay any required ‘results’ until such time as a result that’s not so bad comes along.

And you all thought plugs was stupid.

Thunderstorm129 on June 29, 2009 at 12:03 PM

It’s difficult to make sense out of the foreign policy coming out of the White House under Barack Obama.

Not that difficult.

Obama is a statist.

bluelightbrigade on June 29, 2009 at 12:03 PM

And watching that explosion will be delightful indeed.

izoneguy on June 29, 2009 at 11:58 AM

I’m worried about dodging the fragments.

Count to 10 on June 29, 2009 at 12:03 PM

You’re right, Cindy. The Trolls can’t defend the indefensible.

kingsjester on June 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM

I see you haven’t visited Huff-n-Puff recently…

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 12:03 PM

And in other news, Robert Gibbs was dunked by Obama…yuk, yuk, yuk.

Thunderstorm129 on June 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM

That’s perverted lol :)

bluelightbrigade on June 29, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Obama: The great unifier of… Socialist, true Communists, fascists, Islamic Theocrats, et al

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Would this ever be possible here in the U.S.? For troops to arrest the POTUS for doing something nuts?

aebloo on June 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Let’s hope so.

DarkCurrent on June 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM

What was the excuse Clinton used to restore that marxist dude to the presidential office in Haiti?

How did that work out?

Hope, baby! Change!

Skandia Recluse on June 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 12:03 PM

I did that once. I won’t go back without wrapping my head in duct tape first. Or I’ll just read one of athensboy’s posts.

kingsjester on June 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM

We’re getting a close look at Obama’s priorities, and they’re hideously out of step with democracy and the rule of law.


Out of step
seems an understatement. How about hideously antithetical or hideously destructive?

The man is even more radical and emboldened by hubris than I ever imagined. It’s a day in America I thought I’d never see.

petefrt on June 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM

No, weenie roast posts yet… I’m disappointed, guys.

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Why did Obama decide to intervene on behalf of a “president” obviously abusing his power and to prevent the military from removing him once he started acting like a dictator?

I’ll take “socialist presidents who wish they were dictators” for $100, Alex.

cthulhu on June 29, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Thunderstorm129 on June 29, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Every day, someone posts a comment that leaves me ROFLMAO!

Thanks for that.

Skandia Recluse on June 29, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Wait for it . . . wait for it . . . Coming soon to a democracy near you! A constitutional amendment to end term limits for POTUS. FDR didn’t need it, Clinton wanted it, BHO’s followers will demand it. Do you really think this guy is going to walk away after eight years? Socialism and the strongman go hand in hand.

dingbat on June 29, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Obama probably has a dart board with Neda’s picture on it, and a “male” blow up doll resembling Zelaya…

Now, where’s Darth Cheney on this?

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 12:08 PM

dingbat on June 29, 2009 at 12:08 PM

How will they get it? Hold referendums in Tijuana and Chicago.

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

Terry_Dyne on June 29, 2009 at 11:57 AM

That’s the saddest statement I’ve ever read in my life.

Esthier on June 29, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Obama apparently had no such reticence in involving the US on behalf of deposed President Manuel Zelaya — a close ally of Hugo Chavez:

The pssst, ey, wanna buy a watch? Goodfellas network.

Speakup on June 29, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Obama’s foreign policy principles:

1. Be nice to leftist tyrants and they will be nice to you.

2. Ignore history.

3. Run into fallout shelter.

PattyJ on June 29, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Was he brown?

JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Actually, he is, but as in most cases with Barry, politics trumps race.

Vashta.Nerada on June 29, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Where are the trolls to tell us that Wal-Mart was behind this?

Upstater85 on June 29, 2009 at 12:11 PM

What was the excuse Clinton used to restore that marxist dude to the presidential office in Haiti?

How did that work out?

Hope, baby! Change!

Skandia Recluse on June 29, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Did you know that Bill was just recently appointed UN high muckety-muck to the very same Haiti? I find that curious from several angles. Can he siphon UN funds? Did Obama or Hil. actively seek to exile him? What does he have up his sleeve? He’s too insecure of his legacy to let Obama stand so fully in the spotlight. I just can’t imagine that he will let Obama make him into an irrelevancy. So I wait.

JiangxiDad on June 29, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Would this ever be possible here in the U.S.? For troops to arrest the POTUS for doing something nuts?

aebloo on June 29, 2009 at 11:55 AM

As MarkTheGreat said… he doesn’t want Honduras setting a precedent.

I could see it happening, but congress would have to switch parties first (or the blue dogs actually govern for once) and SCOTUS would have to grow a collective pair first… that and a good 1/3 of the country would have to seriously wake up too.

Granted… that’s a lot to have happen, but when we’re talking the repeal of term limits…

Chaz706 on June 29, 2009 at 12:12 PM

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