WSJ: White House tried to prevent Honduran president’s ouster

posted at 7:32 pm on June 28, 2009 by Allahpundit

Via Gateway Pundit. I understood The One’s logic for not wanting to meddle in Iran. I don’t understand his logic for wanting to meddle in Honduras.

Reaction to the apparent coup was swift. U.S. President Barack Obama said he was “deeply concerned” and called on all political actors in Honduras to “respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter. Any existing tensions and disputes must be resolved peacefully through dialogue free from any outside interference,” he said.

The Obama administration worked in recent days to prevent President Zelaya’s ouster, a senior U.S. official said. The State Department, in particular, communicated to Honduran officials on the ground that President Obama wouldn’t support any non-democratic transfer of power in the Central American country.

“We had some indication” that a move against Mr. Zelaya was a foot, said a U.S. official briefed on the diplomacy. “We made it clear it was something we didn’t support.”

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton joined Mr. Obama Sunday in criticizing the Honduran coup and calling for the restoration of the democratic process.

“We call on all parties in Honduras to respect the constitutional order and the rule of law, to reaffirm their democratic vocation, and to commit themselves to resolve political disputes peacefully and through dialogue,” Mrs. Clinton said in a statement.

Read Fausta’s amazing round-up of what happened here. In a nutshell, Zelaya wanted another term as president so he decided to hold a popular referendum on whether he should be eligible. Minor problem: The Honduran constitution can’t be amended by popular referendum so the country’s supreme court ordered the vote canceled. Zelaya tried to go ahead with it anyway. Literally every other arm of the Honduran government — judiciary, legislature, military — was against him, to the point where the troops who arrested him this morning were evidently acting on a court order. Why such strong, unified opposition? According to one retired Honduran general cited by Fausta, it’s because Zelaya’s a Chavez stooge and him staying on would mean “Chavez would eventually be running Honduras by proxy.” Two questions, then. One: In their rush to drool all over themselves about “the rule of law,” do Obama and Hillary realize that it’s Zelaya who was flouting the rule of law here? I know The One’s a big believer in executive power but even he’d acknowledge that defying an order from the Supreme Court crosses the line (I think). And two: Why is Team Barry siding with Zelaya instead of simply staying out of it? The White House proved with Iran that they’re capable of maintaining very tactful silences for excruciatingly long periods of time. Yet today we’ve got not only the secretary of state but the president himself rushing out statements. Is this some kind of half-assed attempt to make nice with Chavez now that relations have been restored by supporting one of his cronies? What am I missing here?

Update: Yep, the military acted on a court order. It’s not clear to me, though, why they felt compelled to have Zelaya arrested and ousted considering that the rest of the government, including the army, was against him. Presumably his enemies feared that he’d win the illegal referendum if it went ahead and that would galvanize public support for changing the constitution. Although a coup’s going to have a galvanizing effect of its own, no?

Here’s a possible explanation for why The One was so quick to denounce this:

The Honduran armed forces have however had historic links with the US, dating back to the Contras, the armed groups that were backed by the Central Intelligence Agency to topple the Left-wing Sandinista regime of Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua. Mr Ortega is once again president of Honduras’s neighbour. The army has a long history of involvement in politics and governed Honduras from 1956 to 1982…

Mr Chavez, with more than a decade in power, began his reforms in Venezuela by holding a Constituent Assembly and changing the constitution. Mr Zelaya had stated that he wished to do the same and that the referendum was supposed to be the first step.

I guess Team Barry figured that if they didn’t come out loudly against this, suspicions inside the country about the military being in cahoots with the U.S. would fester. Eh. They’ll fester anyway.

Update: Commenter “elduende” sums up The One’s dilemma nicely: “Someone is going to be left holding the short end of the stick on this one. Will Obama stand by while Venezuela uses force to install their lackey in Honduras? Thus siding with Chavez and crushing democracy in Honduras. Or will he stand with the democratic institutions in Honduras as they seek to reassert their democratic rights and risk being labelled just another in a long line of ‘typical yankee presidents.’”

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Barry has mucho sympatico with a fellow power grabber who also does not believe in constitutions or rule-of-law, inconvenient old fashion things that just get in the way.

MB4 on June 28, 2009 at 8:06 PM

…Not enough redistributive change.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2009 at 8:26 PM

What would the Sausage Fest of the Authoritaaas be like otherwise?

Upstater85 on June 28, 2009 at 8:26 PM

LOL! That has a ring to it!

TheBigOldDog on June 28, 2009 at 8:27 PM

OK. One second after east coast polls close, Chris Matthews will announce that Obama’s 90% third term victory is divine.

Happy now?

Loxodonta on June 28, 2009 at 8:26 PM

That will be one night before the polls even open… with the Janitorial staff locking up for the next day.

Upstater85 on June 28, 2009 at 8:27 PM

LOL, coldwarrior.

ieplaya on June 28, 2009 at 8:28 PM

Obama wants the Iranian students to fail

Obama wants Zelaya to succeed

Say it over and over again and you might sound like the future Chris Matthews…

Upstater85 on June 28, 2009 at 8:28 PM

For the same reason Julius Caesar was slain in the floor of the Roman Senate.

TheBigOldDog on June 28, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Top explain an embarrassing spot on the rug?????

doriangrey on June 28, 2009 at 8:30 PM

The most embarrassing part is that Obama is such a Pantywaste in Chief that he won’t even force Zelaya to kiss the ring before endorsing him…

Obama is epic failure in the club of evil dictators.

Upstater85 on June 28, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Top explain an embarrassing spot on the rug?????

doriangrey on June 28, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Danged fingers dont seem to be co-operating tonight.

doriangrey on June 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM

Let’s not overthink this thing. AP wonders “what am I missing?” when in fact there is nothing to miss. Obama got burned and burned hard for dithering over the Iranian protests. So he figured to come out ahead of the curve on this one.

But he came out on the wrong side. There is no way Zelaya can come back without launching a civil war – and our President is stuck in that camp now if it happens.

To compound it, he comes out with how he tried to prevent the coup. That is, he self-admittedly has no influence in a tiny country in this hemisphere? Did he really want to come out publicly with how ineffectual he is?

My guess is that he didn’t. That’s where the “overthinking” comes in. It is so simple – President Obama and his administration are wholly clueless. Contrary to some of the postings above, this does not ‘fit his agenda’ for the simple reason that he has no agenda. To have an agenda requires having a foundation, a direction, and the integrity to work for it. He has none of these; thus, he finds himself in the mode of having to react to events. He can never get in front of them because of this.

During the campaign we viewed his lack of executive experience with great trepidation. These are the results of his lack. Day by day he becomes more powerless, more ineffectual, more of an empty suit. Already the leftys are complaining about his overexposure in the media: in another year he’ll be lucky to score air time for anything beyond the State of the Union. Particularly since his words have no relationship whatsoever to his actions, his promises, his proposed agenda. Day by day more folks are tuning him out. He has nothing to say, and nothing to back up what he says. He is empty.

As my Dad used to say: “Just as happy as if he was in his right mind.”

ss396 on June 28, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Commenter “elduende” sums up The One’s dilemma nicely: Will Obama stand by while Venezuela uses force to install their lackey in Honduras?

Well, dollar to a donut says he won’t stand up for democracy in Honduras. Obama is out of the Chavez mold.

petefrt on June 28, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Chris Matthews: They take the dic away from Dictator. They make it look cool.

http://media.nowpublic.net/images//3d/f/3df2b4b6be6f40d395c989acc4daf023.jpg

Upstater85 on June 28, 2009 at 8:33 PM

And two: Why is Team Barry siding with Zelaya instead of simply staying out of it?

Allah

Remarkably magnanimous of you, AP. Consider the possibility that the buttsniffing leftists who now control our government like the illegal Chavista better than anything a legal election might produce.

Jaibones on June 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM

ss396 on June 28, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Obama came out quick (and on the wrong side) of Israel. Don’t underestimate him. He didn’t just wing this…

Upstater85 on June 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Meanwhile, down Argentina way, Cristina Fernandez and her Peronist Party are having a bit of a problem maintaining the Evita President for Life thingie as well.

Maybe the rest of the world is able to see that the Left is the wrong way to go? Thought Obama wanted to follow the example of our “friends” overseas? Guess he’s only opposed to those who are Right.

coldwarrior on June 28, 2009 at 8:35 PM

They won’t go “peacefully” all the political institutions in Honduras stand against Chavez and Zelaya. If Obama joins Chavez to try to force a capitulation they will be pushing Honduras into CIVIL WAR.

elduende on June 28, 2009 at 8:11 PM

True enough but Obama/Clinton would have preferred the illegal vote to go forward so they could support Zelaya saying it was the will of the people in a fair (but illegal) vote. Pilate washes his hands.

Now there will be civil war. Chavez/Ortega the pedophile will see to it forcing Obama to take sides. When it was just a legal issue as above, Obama the attorney could take any side he wanted–he could easily find some justification for a legal basis as regards an illegal vote, thereby appearing to be forced to support Chavez–his original secret choice.

Now he has no cover. Honduras followed its laws.

patrick neid on June 28, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Meanwhile, down Argentina way, Cristina Fernandez and her Peronist Party are having a bit of a problem maintaining the Evita President for Life thingie as well.

Maybe the rest of the world is able to see that the Left is the wrong way to go? Thought Obama wanted to follow the example of our “friends” overseas? Guess he’s only opposed to those who are Right.

coldwarrior on June 28, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Let’s hope for epic fail…

Upstater85 on June 28, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Obama’s problem boils down to one word “freedom”. It scares him and he doesn’t want anyone to have it.

farright on June 28, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Top explain an embarrassing spot on the rug?????

doriangrey on June 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM

Might that stain be gray matter? I seem to have dropped mine.

Loxodonta on June 28, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Ain’t it funny how he wants OTHER countries to respect their constitution and the rule of law.
Also found it funny that he came out with the condemnation so soon. Guess he’s not worried about a dialogue with Honduras.

Jamewah on June 28, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Obama’s problem boils down to one word “freedom”. It scares him and he doesn’t want anyone to have it.

farright on June 28, 2009 at 8:37 PM

“There are those who would say, uh, that uh, we need more freedom. To them I would say, uh, ‘Yes we Can!’”

Upstater85 on June 28, 2009 at 8:38 PM

Ain’t it funny how he wants OTHER countries to respect their constitution and the rule of law.
Also found it funny that he came out with the condemnation so soon. Guess he’s not worried about a dialogue with Honduras.

Jamewah on June 28, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Which countries?

Upstater85 on June 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Friar William of Ockham might have had a simple answer to this question, also.

Jaibones on June 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM

bambi thinks enslaving the world is fine. evidentally, someone, somewhere has guaranteed him his “kingship” when we are all slaves.

you gotta lie down to be a door mat, people.

just say no.

kelley in virginia on June 28, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Can’t wait for Krauthammer (tomorrow?)

Following Jon Stewart will apologize to every single Dictator.

Upstater85 on June 28, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Obamugabe will ALWAYS side with tyranny. No matter the outward appearances, he will work tirelessly behind the scenes to prop up his fellow marxists.

His greatest enemies are not terrorist or hostile rogue states, but liberty, private property, and any hint of free market reforms.

DeathB4Tyranny on June 28, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Don’t think for one minute that he and his minions aren’t contemplating a way around that. He won’t succeed, but try he will,
HoustonRight on June 28, 2009 at 8:11 PM

8 years from now he might have a Supreme Court packed with his people. For the record I agree he/they won’t succeed but as I wrote above I believe part of his response comes from an anger that any move in that direction would be as unwelcomed here as it in Honduras.
2010 will tell the story of our future. It can all stop with the 2010 vote.

FireBlogger on June 28, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Now he has no cover. Honduras followed its laws.

patrick neid on June 28, 2009 at 8:35 PM

You’re right. However, there is one way to avoid war. Obama comes out and recognizes the new government. That stymies Chavez but collapses Barry’s Venezuela policy in one fell swoop.

The interesting thing watch right now will be what Chavez does and whether Barry can restrain him from doing something dramatic like the mullahs did in Iran. If Obama can’t restrain Chavez his Venezuela policy implodes as dramatically as his Iran policy did last week.

elduende on June 28, 2009 at 8:43 PM

The most embarrassing part is that Obama is such a Pantywaste in Chief that he won’t even force Zelaya to kiss the ring before endorsing him…

Upstater85 on June 28, 2009 at 8:30 PM

They probably arranged to do it through email to save time.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Obama’s reluctance on Iran, and now his ‘meddling’ in Honduras is worrisome. I’m thinking now we have our own Chavez, and his name is Obama.

petefrt on June 28, 2009 at 8:46 PM

The audacity of hope was for his campaign
Supporting tyranny and thuggery is for his reign
His candidacy was rather like that of a Henry Houdini
His presidency is shaping up to be much more like that of a Benito Mussolini

Although he trys to slip it all in under another guise
To all his fascist action most foul we must still be wise
In spite of all the Houdini lies
Dancing in Obama’s Mussolini eyes

MB4 on June 28, 2009 at 8:46 PM

To compound it, he comes out with how he tried to prevent the coup. That is, he self-admittedly has no influence in a tiny country in this hemisphere? Did he really want to come out publicly with how ineffectual he is?

ss396 on June 28, 2009 at 8:32 PM

A tiny allied country, no less.

FloatingRock on June 28, 2009 at 8:46 PM

I don’t understand his logic for wanting to meddle in Honduras.

That is probably a good sign for your mental health. But it is not really hard to figure out. Zelaya was trying to change his nation’s constitution to allow himself to be named Presidnnt for life, ala Chavez. The Honduran Supreme Court declared his bid to do so illegal, he set out to do it anyway and the army stepped in a stopped him. He was supported by Chavez, Castro, Ortega and now Obama. If you don’t understand the meaning of that you have to be trying not to see it.

MikeA on June 28, 2009 at 8:47 PM

elduende on June 28, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Chavez is already involved in all of this…

Chavez sent a Venezuelan aircraft to get Zelaya and take him to Managua for the Latin American Dictators Club Conference…aka Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas.

coldwarrior on June 28, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Let’s see here. What’s the Left always been complaining about with our involvement in Central America? The Somozas and the Contras in Nicaragua, Arbenz in Guatemala, Alfredo Christiani in El Salvador . . . I guess when it’s Obummer in Honduras, however, this somehow slips off their radar.

ieplaya on June 28, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Barry has mucho sympatico with a fellow power grabber who also does not believe in constitutions or rule-of-law, inconvenient old fashion things that just get in the way.

MB4 on June 28, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Exactly what I was going to say. The only difference is that Obama is shooting for more than just a 3rd term.

Daggett on June 28, 2009 at 8:49 PM

coldwarrior, or anyone:

According to Wiki, Chavez has a “modern, medium naval force with limited oceanic capabilities.” Does he have the capability of successfully invading and holding Honduras? Or, would he need US assistance? (Which would boggle my mind, but I can imagine it.)

Loxodonta on June 28, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Obama said famously that most Americans can’t even say “Merci, beaucoup.”

Right now he is practicing his Spanish, as in “Sí, podemos!”

coldwarrior on June 28, 2009 at 8:50 PM

If there is Latin American turmoil, the Obamanation will welcome refugees with gusto. Imagine the number of newly ‘legal’ refugees. Imagine the support it might garner from other Latinos already here. Imagine the vote count in 2012 from Latino voters.

Never let a serious crisis go to waste. In the absence of a serious crisis, manufacture one.

petefrt on June 28, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Remember the yesteryears when we had a President who sided with growing democracies, liberty, and freedom?

Yeah, those damn cowboy days are over!

Now we got a REAL President who sides with dictators who beat, torture, and kill protesters, and who try to usurp their own constitution.

/sarc

Enoxo on June 28, 2009 at 8:53 PM

petefrt on June 28, 2009 at 8:46 PM

What was your first hint. lol

HoustonRight on June 28, 2009 at 8:53 PM

What is the Honduran community in America saying about Obama’s and Hillary’s statements?

journeyintothewhirlwind on June 28, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Chavez is already involved in all of this…

Chavez sent a Venezuelan aircraft to get Zelaya and take him to Managua for the Latin American Dictators Club Conference…aka Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas.

coldwarrior on June 28, 2009 at 8:47 PM

yep. up to his eyeballs. Look above and in the other thread where I posted some of Chavez’s hijinks today. I’ve been monitoring the US Spanish language media and the Honduran media all afternoon and Chavez is the one squealing the loudest but he isn’t the only one. Correa came out declaring that his military would come to the aid of one of his allies if necessary. Oh and the Venezuelan military was placed on ” war alert” earlier today. Lot of stuff going on.

elduende on June 28, 2009 at 8:55 PM

Loxodonta on June 28, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Lox, Chavez won’t need to deploy his navy…nor his air force, either. He has his own foreign intervention force…Bolivarian Forces of Liberation (Fuerzas Bolivarianas de Liberación…already seeing action in Colombia. Sort of a new-age Che sort of thing. An “invasion” would be seen as such. However, a sudden rise of “popular forces” in Honduras, aided of course, if not totally composed of FBL trained thugs, would be more palatable.

coldwarrior on June 28, 2009 at 8:56 PM

You’re right. However, there is one way to avoid war. Obama comes out and recognizes the new government.
elduende on June 28, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Should he do that there would be hope for Obama still.

By his current comments, with full knowledge of the Times story previously mentioned and the current events on the ground these last several days, Obama/Clinton have already tipped their hands for Zelaya/Chavez by their opening statements.

If your scenario proves correct it would be a huge come down for Barry and crew. While I seriously doubt it I still hope you are right.

patrick neid on June 28, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Police were called to the White House today as neighbors complained of the loud playing of rap music by the President.
Obama called the cops racists for knocking at the door, but decided to keep this from coming a PR problem by inviting the cops for hot dogs on the 4th.

Jeff from WI on June 28, 2009 at 8:57 PM

Here’s the deal conservative wingnuts, no matter how Obama would have handled this you will rip him. Thats what you do, you oppose him on EVERYTHING. Thats fine, thats why the American people consider the gop “the party of no.” Thats why your party keeps losing national elections. You are the party of rabble rousers, only now that MOA falls on deaf ears. Your always “outraged”. You always cry wolf. The further you slide to the right, the more you lose the center, and you seem not to care.Fine. Your party belongs in the political wilderness, as you have no new ideas, only anger and bitterness. In the meantime your leaders have trouble keeping their marriage vows, but previously had no trouble preaching morality and family values. As far as the argument”democrats cheat too” goes, yes they do,BUT, they don’t run around all holier than thou.HUGE DIFFERENCE. So keep on banging on Obama, he’s stronger than you guys and lightyears smarter.

athensboy on June 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Chavez is already involved in all of this…

Chavez sent a Venezuelan aircraft to get Zelaya and take him to Managua for the Latin American Dictators Club Conference…aka Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas.

coldwarrior on June 28, 2009 at 8:47 PM

yep. up to his eyeballs. Look above and in the other thread where I posted some of Chavez’s hijinks today. I’ve been monitoring the US Spanish language media and the Honduran media all afternoon and Chavez is the one squealing the loudest but he isn’t the only one. Correa came out declaring that his military would come to the aid of one of his allies if necessary. Oh and the Venezuelan military was placed on ” war alert” earlier today. Lot of stuff going on.

elduende on June 28, 2009 at 8:55 PM

I give Obummer lot’s of credit. Everyone has his number. In only 5 months Obummer has managed to ruin America, Europe hates us more, Iran is burning, Central America is once again in turmoil and he wants to let all the terrorists free. What am I missing? Oh yeah and North Korea wants to nuke us. At least China is keeping us afloat…..

izoneguy on June 28, 2009 at 9:00 PM

“There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know.” -
Donald Rumsfeld

Who wants to make a prediction of the next trouble spot?

diogenes on June 28, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Loxodonta on June 28, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Hey Loxo! No he can’t with Venezuelan forces. But he has willing allies that share a long border with Honduras. Nicaragua. He can also put together some forces by air from Cuba, Ecuador, Bolivia, and he does have an airborne brigade in Venezuela that he could concieveably muster.

elduende on June 28, 2009 at 9:00 PM

HoustonRight on June 28, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Are you accusing me of stating the obvious? :)

petefrt on June 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM

Who wants to make a prediction of the next trouble spot?

diogenes on June 28, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Texas – July 4th will rock!!!

izoneguy on June 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM

Zelaya was trying to change his nation’s constitution to allow himself to be named Presidnnt for life, ala Chavez. The Honduran Supreme Court declared his bid to do so illegal, he set out to do it anyway and the army stepped in a stopped him. He was supported by Chavez, Castro, Ortega and now Obama. If you don’t understand the meaning of that you have to be trying not to see it.
MikeA on June 28, 2009 at 8:47 PM

All of that may be true, but, can someone with knowledge of South American politics explain to me why a majority of Hondurans would actually re-elect this Zalaya to another term if he’s a Chavez stooge? Are a majority of Hondurans actually commies?

As I understand it, the people of Venezuela willingly allowed Chavez to take almost all the steps he needed to take to become a dictator. What’s going on down there???

Outlander on June 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM

coldwarrior on June 28, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Ah, yes. Thanks. So, it will be the leftist guerrilla thugs versus the constitutional rule of law. Sort of like Chicago.

Loxodonta on June 28, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Barry has mucho sympatico with a fellow power grabber who also does not believe in constitutions or rule-of-law, inconvenient old fashion things that just get in the way.

Indeed. Constitutions fail to address the real issues such as redistribution of wealth and political and economic justice. They’re nothing more than a charter of “negative rights” and therefore useless.

Mike Honcho on June 28, 2009 at 9:02 PM

athensboy on June 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Gotta love it when a confirmed Leftie tells the Right how to win friends and influence people…

Obama stronger and smarter by lightyears?

Just spewed Chivas all over the screen on that one. :-)

coldwarrior on June 28, 2009 at 9:02 PM

President Evo Morales of Bolivia described Mr Zelaya’s removal as “an assault on democracy”

Chavez is his BFF

bazil9 on June 28, 2009 at 9:03 PM

coldwarrior on June 28, 2009 at 8:47 PM

I had to look up Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas (ALBA) and Central American Integration System (SICA) because I knew nothing abouth them. This doesn’t look good.

Obama wont help Iranian students but he will be involved with a Honduras stoog who’s possibly in Chavez’s pocket.

This doesn’t look good for liberty in the free world. Our president’s involvement in meddling with the wrong people is scary.

I hope I understand this right.

shick on June 28, 2009 at 9:03 PM

izoneguy on June 28, 2009 at 9:00 PM

I hope Sarah Palin is taking notes on all the crap Obungles has been doing. Should make for a very entertaining acceptance speech in 2012.

long_cat on June 28, 2009 at 9:04 PM

diogenes on June 28, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Nuclear Myanmar…the Russians and North Koreans are up to their eyeballs in it already.

coldwarrior on June 28, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Loxodonta on June 28, 2009 at 9:02 PM

That’s just too good!!

HoustonRight on June 28, 2009 at 9:04 PM

And two: Why is Team Barry siding with Zelaya instead of simply staying out of it?

Allah

Why wouldn’t he? He is of like mind to the Chavez’s of the world. He wants to change our constitution too. And he too would like to get more than two terms I guarantee you. If (god forbid) he wins a second term, see how fast that subject comes up.

He also does hate the military in Honduras, just like all the leftys in Washington. They have been the stalwart wall against communism in South America for decades and the dems hate them for that. If Chavez makes a move, (which he might) and Nicaragua joins in (which they will) just wait and see which side this administration is on. I expect that we will directly support the bad guys.

conservnut on June 28, 2009 at 9:05 PM

Leftists, whether they’re Chavez, Obama, Pelosi, etc. don’t care about the rule of law. They’ve so convinced themselves of their moral superiority that their desired ends justify any means.

blue13326 on June 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM

This Friday’s quick vote for a bill that no one read is a perfect example.

shick on June 28, 2009 at 9:05 PM

Outlander on June 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM

What’s going on down there?

Same thing that is going on here…promises of something for nothing…free stuff…screwing the capitalists, that sort of thing. Obama’s policies are no different with Chavez’…nor any other Leftist.

How do you think Obama got elected in the first place? Look at all the promises made during the campaign…from closing Gitmo to free medical care…and getting your mortgage paid for, apparently, according to many Obama voters.

coldwarrior on June 28, 2009 at 9:07 PM

athensboy on June 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Cute.

Weight of Glory on June 28, 2009 at 9:07 PM

petefrt on June 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM

Just providing some reinforcement brother!

HoustonRight on June 28, 2009 at 9:07 PM

Everything about Obama is like that mirror universe in Star Trek. Everything good is suddenly evil and everything evil is suddenly good.

Seriously, I guess change is what he meant, but will it be like Carter where everyone suddenly wakes up one day and says, “hey, we didn’t want that — we just hated Nixon!”
David

LifeTrek on June 28, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Hope we can count on our military to do the right thing when Barry and ACORN (or whatever they’re calling themselves now) blatantly steal the election in 2012.

guntotinglibertarian on June 28, 2009 at 9:09 PM

patrick neid on June 28, 2009 at 8:56 PM

I agree with you. Obama as Saruman said has chosen the way of pain. This situation will now escalate and deteriorate thanks to Obama. Lets see what his threshold for pain is.

izoneguy on June 28, 2009 at 9:00 PM

You forgot Iraq imploding, Israel sharpening its knives, the Southern border wide open as Mexico burns, The Shining Path in Peru making a reappearance after 12 years. The FARC in Colombia stepping up their attacks against our only steadfast ally in South America. etc. etc. Our nation is in headlong strategic retrenchment across the planet.

elduende on June 28, 2009 at 9:10 PM

Reagan wouldn`t stand for this s**t.

ThePrez on June 28, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Just more evidence that H is a capitalist-hating extremist.

WisCon on June 28, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Thats fine, thats why the American people consider the gop “the party of no.”

athensboy on June 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM

If BO is the president of ‘yes we can’, then the GOP (hopefully) is the party of NO WE DON’T and NO YOU WON’T! We stand for the rule of law and the Constitution, your leftist ideology notwithstanding.

Your statist leftist ideology is on the wrong side of history.

petefrt on June 28, 2009 at 9:12 PM

guntotinglibertarian on June 28, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Something tells me that conservatives will be ready this time around! ;)

HoustonRight on June 28, 2009 at 9:12 PM

elduende on June 28, 2009 at 9:00 PM

It’s like that area is swarming with leftist flies.

Loxodonta on June 28, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Who wants to make a prediction of the next trouble spot?

diogenes on June 28, 2009 at 9:00 PM

It ain’t going to be Chavez invading Honduras.

patrick neid on June 28, 2009 at 9:13 PM

I’m sure hussein doesn’t want Americans to get any ideas!

christene on June 28, 2009 at 9:13 PM

christene on June 28, 2009 at 9:13 PM

TOO LATE!!!

HoustonRight on June 28, 2009 at 9:15 PM

Loxodonta on June 28, 2009 at 9:13 PM

I blame Bush. Seriously no sarc. He dropped the ball in Latin America. He let the Chavez issue fester. Now an incredibly weak American POTUS is faced with a strategic challenge from within and a collapse of the Monroe Doctrine from without.

elduende on June 28, 2009 at 9:19 PM

HoustonRight on June 28, 2009 at 9:15 PM

Thank God Americans are starting to pay attention!!

christene on June 28, 2009 at 9:20 PM

athensboy on June 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Cute.

Weight of Glory on June 28, 2009 at 9:07 PM

athensboy on June 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM

The strange little chap seems to have adopted a writing style reminiscent of that of a monkey throwing food, and other things which will go unmentioned, at a canvas hoping that enough will stick in enough of a pattern to be passed of as some kind of impressionist art, or something.

semloh on June 28, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Thank God Americans are starting to pay attention!!

christene on June 28, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
- Charles Mackay

MB4 on June 28, 2009 at 9:24 PM

As for me, I’m going with your subordinate clause. How stupid can one Marxist be?

sondiehl

There is nothing stupid about his actions here.

He is a dedicated marxist … he really beleives in all that crap the far left live by.

Don’t assume incompetence.

Kristopher on June 28, 2009 at 9:24 PM

Okay, so we’re clear:

A citizen army removes a guy trying to pull a Chavez from power is strongly condemned by 0bama and Pantsuit.

Theocratic dictatorship uses street thugs to butcher peaceful demonstrators demanding the right to representitive government in the streets gets nary a peep from 0bama and Pantsuit.

I dunno know about you, but I tend to worry when my President supports tyranny and refuses to support human rights.

What kind of scumbag did this country elect in November?

Stay tuned…got a feeling this just the tip of the iceberg.

SuperCool on June 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM

…explain to me why a majority of Hondurans would actually re-elect this Zalaya to another term if he’s a Chavez stooge?

OK, I’ll explain it for you. The election was rigged.

As I understand it, the people of Venezuela willingly allowed Chavez to take almost all the steps he needed to take to become a dictator. What’s going on down there???

Fear and intimidation.

South American politics gets to be a pretty deadly thing at times.

MikeA on June 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM

What’s going on down there?

Same thing that is going on here…promises of something for nothing…free stuff…screwing the capitalists, that sort of thing. Obama’s policies are no different with Chavez’…nor any other Leftist.

coldwarrior on June 28, 2009 at 9:07 PM

Seems Obama is globalizing our politics. He’s putting the USA squarely in the crosshairs of the international socialist movement.

Enter stage left, UN.

petefrt on June 28, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Here’s the deal conservative wingnuts, no matter how Obama would have handled this you will rip him. Thats what you do, you oppose him on EVERYTHING.

athensboy on June 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Here’s the real deal athensboy, it doesn’t matter what Obama does, you will support him on everything he does that is foolish.

Of all these things which of them do you say he has done wrong?

- Increasing our deficit 4 times more (in just a few months) than during the previous presidency (8 years).
- Engery tax plan.
- Appointing a tax cheat Timothy Guitner as Secretary of Treasury.
- Appointing people with tax problems to government positions.
- Creating 21 new czar positions, giving executive office more power and taking it away from legislative.
- His cold shoulder to the Iranian people.

Is there anything you disagree with His holiness?

shick on June 28, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Really, how much more evidence do you need to see that Obama doesn’t have America’s best interest at heart? He has no intentions of defending and upholding our constitution. He prefers to deal with Marxists and Fascists than anyone who prefers a Democracy or Republic. It was so blatant during the campaign that if the media bothered to do their job he wouldn’t have made it through the first 2 weeks of the primary race.

mizflame98 on June 28, 2009 at 9:27 PM

athensboy on June 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Who dropped this turd into the punchbowl?

Big John on June 28, 2009 at 9:28 PM

I blame Bush. Seriously no sarc. He dropped the ball in Latin America. He let the Chavez issue fester.

What IYO were the correct steps to take? Not to many US friendly governments in SA and LA to work with and on top of that we had every Hollywood star snapping photos with Hugo and brainwashing the American public that he was a cuddly teddy bear- ever try to fight a cuddly teddy bear? You can’t win.

journeyintothewhirlwind on June 28, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Stay tuned…got a feeling this just the tip of the iceberg.

SuperCool on June 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM

I think that is a good bet. I’m not Mormon but I do think storing a year’s worth of food is a great idea about now; if you are prepared to defend it.

MikeA on June 28, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Two questions, then. One: In their rush to drool all over themselves about “the rule of law,” do Obama and Hillary realize that it’s Zelaya who was flouting the rule of law here?

Yes, they do. ANyone with an IQ over 33 knows that, so Shrillary and Precedent Hussein make it by 20 or 30 points.

I know The One’s a big believer in executive power but even he’d acknowledge that defying an order from the Supreme Court crosses the line (I think).

Er … you’re still making excuses for the traitor, allah. He doesn’t give a sh!t about our court, so why would you think he would care about any other country’s?

And two: Why is Team Barry siding with Zelaya instead of simply staying out of it?

Because they are leftist savages. How many times do you have to be presented with direct evidence before you finally accept it? This is about the 1000th time and you still can’t bring yourself to state the obvious. Sad.

The White House proved with Iran that they’re capable of maintaining very tactful silences for excruciatingly long periods of time.

I don’t know where you got that “tactful” idea from. THey acted like total morons for the expected period of time. Then, they had to concede to the obvious circumstances. Precedent Hussein’s affirmative action shield of black skin can only protect his rampant stupidity and anti-Americanism for so long. I can’t understand where this moronic idea of “tactfulness” came in for you. There was nothing tactful about The Precedent’s attitude towards Iran, at all … unless you mean that he had the July 4th invitations properly engraved …

Yet today we’ve got not only the secretary of state but the president himself rushing out statements. Is this some kind of half-assed attempt to make nice with Chavez now that relations have been restored by supporting one of his cronies? What am I missing here?

What you’re missing is that you are just unwilling to call a spade, a spade. Precedent Hussein is a traitor and an enemy to the civilized world. But, keep acting dumb and asking “But why is he …?” I guess it makes you feel better.

And thanks for coming out so forcefully against making the moron and traitor prove that he is a ‘natural-born’ American. That was some other good thinking on your part, not very different from your strange mental meanderings, here, wondering why an Indonesian marxist would be supporting the marxist takeover of Latin and South America. Gee … that’s a really tough one … I wonder why …

Sheesh.

progressoverpeace on June 28, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Athensboy, way to miss the entire boat on this issue. Do you have a response on the point raised in this thread, to wit, that Obummer is completely inconsistent on taking meddlesome positions in Iran (hands off) and Honduras (hands on)?

ieplaya on June 28, 2009 at 9:31 PM

The further you slide to the right, the more you lose the center,

athensboy on June 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM

You are clueless. You and your liberal friends are the ones moving the goal posts to the left. The liberal way has been moving farther and farther to the left while conservatives have stuck to their principles throughout the years.

I’ll give you an example:
Both democrats and republicans both agreed in the rule of law. One such rule was that laws are to be up for debate. Democrats wanted to rush their ecobill before any of them read it. Hardly a debate. Just push it through because we have the votes. They think, I don’t have to read it because it’s lefty leaning. We are all in this together.

Now please give me an example where the right has moved farther right.

You can’t. Instead you just shout nonsense. “YOU RIGHTY WINGNUTS KEEP MOVING FURTHER RIGHT.”

No proof. All talk.

shick on June 28, 2009 at 9:31 PM

shick on June 28, 2009 at 9:26 PM

I’m betting you don’t get an answer. Must less a straight one.

HoustonRight on June 28, 2009 at 9:32 PM

holding a Constituent Assembly and changing the constitution.

There is a phrase to remember. I expect we’ll be reading about that here in hte USA in the not so distant future.

MikeA on June 28, 2009 at 9:33 PM

they don’t run around all holier than thou.HUGE DIFFERENCE. So keep on banging on Obama, he’s stronger than you guys and lightyears smarter.

athensboy on June 28, 2009 at 8:59 PM

What a stupid argument. Do you mean to tell me that the left are not acting holier than though right now going on and on about the latest scandal?

baloney.

And what is wrong shouting for what is wrong! You lefties have your feet firmly planted in mid air. You will stand for nothing.

shick on June 28, 2009 at 9:34 PM

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