It is about society, poverty and culture. Islam is just a convenient crutch.

Squid Shark on June 28, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Q1: What culture would that be?
A1: A culture that is subservient to Islam and thinks that an ignorant, cruel, lying, murderous, thief whose emotional level was such that he found greatest comfort in the body of a 9-year old girl, is the pinnacle of humanity and the primary role model for their society.

Q2: Which of the Arab oil states is experiencing poverty?
A2: None

Q3: Why is Iran experiencing poverty, despite owning a very large percentage of the world’s oil reserves?
A3: Because they are economically incompetent.

Q4: Why is Iran economically incompetent.
A4: Because they have a dysfunctional culture. See answer A1, above.

Q5: The Arab states have an annual convention to discuss their affairs and which is most notable for never managing to agree accomplish anything of any significance whatsoever. Why is this?
A5: Because they have a dysfunctional culture. See answer A1, above.

Q6: Which of the four men, all British citizens, who attacked public transport 2005-July-07 in London was experiencing poverty?
A6: None of them.

Q7: Most countries have had significant conflicts in their histories but most nations have kissed and made up rapidly once the conflict was over. Europe for example was able change conflict into co-operation within a year or two after the end of WW2. Why can’t the Muslim countries manage the same thing?
A7: Because they have a dysfunctional culture. See answer A1, above.

Q8: If violence and a desire to see the Death to America, Death to Britain and Death to Israel is a function of poverty, why are these same sentiments not expressed in Burma or in non-Muslim communities in Africa?
A8: Trick question! It has nothing to do with poverty, these sentiments are purely a function of Islam.

Q9: Why are Islamic societies comprehensively dysfunctional, apart from the reasons given in answer A1 above?
A9: Because they have put their trust in a book which is very obviously false for anybody who bothers to study it and the texts to which it refers. They prefer wilfull ignorance over progress.

Q10: There are approximately 50 countries in which more than 50% of the population are followers of the beautiful message of Mohammed, a message that was sent to clarify all errors and is, apparently, given in clear language in order that it should not be misunderstood. How many of these countries are successful, fruitful, stable and non-oppressive?
A10: It is a subjective topic so all answers are acceptable if they can be justified. I reckon two to four countries meet the criteria, perhaps a couple more on their better days.

Good luck working with this regime. Here’s a quote from the late Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran (Harper’s, April, 1985, p. 17) you might want to glance at before reformulating your policy:

If one permits an infidel to continue in his role as a corrupter of the earth, his moral suffering will be all the worse. If one kills the infidel, and thus stops him from perpetrating his misdeeds, his death will be a blessing to him. For if he remains alive, he will become more and more corrupt. This is a surgical operation commanded by God the all-powerful.

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Do you suppose that might have been an attempt to find common ground with moderate Muslims? Or perhaps an attempt to make American Muslims feel more at ease after 9/11?

No. It was due to his misunderstanding of the arab/persian/muslim world and of islam, in general.

What did you guys want him to say? He was their president, too.

capitalist piglet on June 28, 2009 at 2:18 PM

He should have stated the truth about islam. That’s not too tough. Islam is not a religion of peace. Quite the opposite. The evidence is replete through history, for anyone to see. Lying about islam doesn’t change it, at all, and doesn’t help us.

As to muslims in America, there were never more than a handful – save the black muslims who were really nothing more than a weird cult that adopted islam because it was the most anti-American thing they could find. It’s interesting that blacks glommed onto islam, when the whole African slave trade was started by muslims and the islamic world is about the only place left where slavery is culturally accepted. Very odd.

As to regular muslims, we only started importing muslims in numbers, for some strange, stupid and unknown reason, in the 90’s. That, of course, was a huge mistake.

It’s interesting how you never heard much of anything about muslims in the US until after 9/11. Before that they kept their mouths shut, but after 9/11 they found their voice and suddenly started trying to impose their will (and odd cultures) on the US. You know, pre-9/11 you generally saw arab issues addressed by arab orgs, like the Arab Anti-Defamation League (interesting in that arabs stole the title from the Jewish organization, the same way Mohammed stole stories from the Torah and New Testament to plagiarize and twist them for his koran), but after 9/11 you never hear from arab orgs. Now all you hear from are muslim orgs, even when they are arab issues being discussed, not muslim issues.

So, 9/11 freed American muslims to start imposing themselves on the rest of us. Great. Part of that was because of the idiocy of Bush’s “religion of peace” mantra. If he wanted to call islam anything, he should have called it by its very name, the “religion of submission”.

On top of all that, islam is not even a religion, but a political ideology with an attendant mythology.

Bush at his worst was constantly blathering on about this supposed “religion of peace”.

Jaibones on June 28, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Do you suppose that might have been an attempt to find common ground with moderate Muslims? Or perhaps an attempt to make American Muslims feel more at ease after 9/11?

What did you guys want him to say? He was their president, too.

Iran’s increasingly draconian regime is continuing to throw down the gauntlet to not just Iranians who think recent elections were rigged, but to the world, almost daring critics within and outside to do something. It’s latest seemingly pr…

[Merciless Retribution:] The calling card of the “religion of peace”. Barbarians.

Zorro on June 28, 2009 at 8:07 AM

Truly.

Bush at his best was making the decision to arrange a fitting place to kill 50,000 or so of these wretched devils. Bush at his worst was constantly blathering on about this supposed “religion of peace”.

The British need MI6 to investigate everyone that was arrested to insure that’s what really happened. They also need to get the SAS IN-country on HOT standby. They also need their Royal Marines and Navy in the Persian Gulf, ALSO on hot standby, on a carrier.

Unfortunately, the British made a huge mistake by bowing to the mullahcracy during the last hostage crisis with Brits. I fear they will just repeat their same mistakes.

Iran likes to grab Brits from wherever they find them, and they do so with impunity. At some point, I would think that the Brits would start considering action, but I just don’t think the Iranians are worried about that. And the Iranians know that Precedent Hussein will do nothing but blame Israeli settlement activity for causing all these problems, while he begs the mullahs to sit down and talk to him.

If the Iranians have enough useful idiots left, we could be looking at another embassy-storming/hostage-taking crisis. Then, the Iranian government can get in the limelight and try getting on the world’s ‘good side’ by by ‘netotiating’ the hostages’ release, or even storming the embassy with government troops and/or loyalist militias. I put NOTHING past these people.

Virus-X on June 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Yep. That sounds about right … sadly.

Fair to say the present occupant does not fit that description.

All these problem couldn’t have been avoided if Dwight Eisenhower(Republican) did not order a coup of an elected democratic Iranian government.

If Mossadeq hadn’t stolen the oil fields and played footsie with the Soviets then this would not have been necessary. but he did and it was.

This coup let Iran slip back into theocracy.

equality on June 28, 2009 at 9:11 AM

Know much history, you nitwit? Blame Carter for the theocracy.

You are too stupid for words … as is usual with libs. You are all despicable, lying scum with the few brain cells you do have.

All these problem couldn’t have been avoided if Dwight Eisenhower(Republican) did not order a coup of an elected democratic Iranian government. This coup let Iran slip back into theocracy.

equality on June 28, 2009 at 9:11 AM

Quit looking backward little troll

Obama is large and in charge

Seriously you need help

You would rather sit by and blame the sins of the past than to stand up for the IRanian people. That says much about you .

The “natural born” clause has outlived its real usefulness. Being natural born is no more a certification of loyalty than anything else.

Squid Shark on June 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM

LOL. You say that as the only person ever to sit in the White House who is not natural-born, due to his dual/mutiple citizenship, is obviously a traitor intent on destroying the US.

Good timing, there.

Pelayo on June 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Pelayo, Dealing with Mr. Squid is above your paygrade… actually looking at the last comment… it’s above my puppy’s paygrade.

Time to release the squid and throw him back….

Squid Shark on June 28, 2009 at 10:54 AM
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I wonder about some of the people commenting here t HA.
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You have just put yourself in the category of being prejudging all muslims. Yet, it is the exreme Islamist who requires your censure and not the entire population of muslims themsevles. Think about it, read about & join those who see a world outside of your predisposed bubble. Become a scholar who is knowledgeable about history and not an a@shole who shows their ignorance without any subtlety argument.

Pelayo on June 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM

And how many Mulsims “hate america” bacause the Quran tells them to. Give me a G-d damn break. It is about society, poverty and culture. Islam is just a convenient crutch.

Pelayo on June 28, 2009 at 10:51 AM

The “natural born” clause has outlived its real usefulness. Being natural born is no more a certification of loyalty than anything else.

Yeah that is it, all muslims hate us, got it.
Squid Shark on June 28, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Not all, but more than enough. The Quran does teach hatred and contempt for non-Mohammedans.

Friendly21 on June 28, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Yeah that is it, all muslims hate us, got it.