Video: Boehner slaps down Waxman, filibusters cap and trade; Update: Bill passes, 219-212; eight GOPers are the difference; Update: GOP defectors named; Update: One defector considering Senate run
posted at 6:53 pm on June 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
Yeah, I know: Technically there’s no filibuster in the House, but the majority and minority leaders are typically given great latitude in terms of how long they can speak. Enter Waxman, the genius behind the 300-page amendment no one’s read, wanting to know just how great that latitude is. High drama as the answer comes from Democrat Ellen Tauscher, presiding over the session.
How long can Boehner keep talking tonight? Stay tuned. Click the image to watch.
Update: The filibuster’s over and the final 15-minute vote is in progress. With nine minutes left, it’s 193-183.
Update: 219-212, with eight Republicans — the difference between passage and defeat — defecting to vote yes. The boss is already hunting around for their names. I hope they got a sweet deal from Pelosi because talk radio is about to make their lives very, very difficult.
Update: Inhofe predicts cap and trade will die in the Senate, which is probably true. I wonder if that made the bitter pill easier to swallow for those eight Republicans.
Update: The boss has the names:
Bono Mack
Castle
Kirk
Lance
LoBiondo
McHugh
Reichert
Smith (NJ)
Update: An epitaph from Vodkapundit: “Never have so few stolen so much from so many to achieve so little.”
Update: If you’re looking for a lightning rod among the elite eight, Mark Kirk is probably the one. He’s considering running for Obama’s old Senate seat next year. Memo to Kirk: Reconsider.
Update: A good point from Goldfarb while we’re busy obsessing over the eight GOP turncoats: What about the 50 Democrats who voted no? They’ve earned the ire of liberals needlessly, given that the bill’s destined for likely death in the Senate.
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righ4life:
I don’t think people can even always agree on what conservatives are. And to be honest, back when I was a kid in the 50s and 60s a lot of Republicans were not what some people would call conservatives now.
Terrye on June 26, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Probably because Obama is a Marxist like many other dictators with Islamic backgrounds. Rush read an interesting piece by an African-American author which compared Obama to an African Colonial.
Here’s a sample:
hawksruleva on June 26, 2009 at 9:38 PM
I think you’re best moving on. You’re not going to change its mind. Stay strong. Fight the fight. We got many fights ahead of us! In the words of BHO, “Yes, we can!”
Upstater85 on June 26, 2009 at 9:39 PM
I think that I had better treat you first. Triage and all you know.
Sigmund on June 26, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 9:36 PM
No it is mine!
bazil9 on June 26, 2009 at 9:39 PM
oh yes, I’m such a meanier for pointing out how the republicans are not conservative!!! I should just shut up, get in line and vote the party line!!
oh yes I’m such a dreadful bully!!! and I yes I just threatened you, so you can feel like a martyr too!!
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Heck, Goldwater practically got ran out of the party :(
Upstater85 on June 26, 2009 at 9:39 PM
there are people like that still around…the country club set….Frum and his friends…Parker…Buckley Jr. etc…
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 9:40 PM
I s#!t tougher things than you, you arrogant punk.
thomasaur on June 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM
This is not my battle. Don’t want it to be. But, since you post I must interject. I don’t know the history, don’t care. But you seem like a good god fearing person. Is this incessant bickering really in your charactor.
If so, then I think you may want to re-evaluate some of you stances. Just a thought from an innocent bystander,
HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM
My God can beat up your higher power:)
Jvette on June 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM
What do people do that is not transient? We build sand castles. After every tide, they must be rebuilt. Each generation must discover and fight for what’s right.
No matter how liberal Republicans may be, the Democrats have become dangerously liberal. Who do you want to be governing our country? I pick the Republicans.
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Here’s Mark Kirk’s Twitter page:http://twitter.com/markkirk
Notice there’s no mention of his vote on Cap & Trade…
hawksruleva on June 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Upstater:
True. Just look at the Civil Rights Act. Republicans in the House helped pass the bill, but Goldwater did not support it on constitutional grounds. But that right there shows the split in the party on the issue.
Eisenhower and Nixon were not really that far right either.
Terrye on June 26, 2009 at 9:42 PM
looks like you are the intolerant bully!!
thanks for the laughs…bet your fat little face got all red, and the spittle rolled down your jowls!!!
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 9:42 PM
800+
Upstater85 on June 26, 2009 at 9:43 PM
You said it yourself. The bill is expected to die in the Senate. So those eight Republicans really didn’t vote the way they did because they want cap-and-trade, they voted that way to get re-elected in swing districts. You can bet that a lot of the 50 Democrats that voted against it voted that way for exactly the same reason.
Which is not bad. I guarantee you that, in an organization/leadership vote, thse Republicans will vote the right way. Which is all that really matters.
Call me cynical, but at least I understand how the system works. And those eight votes are eight votes on a leadership vote that we don’t have to earn “the hard way”. See: craps.
HTL on June 26, 2009 at 9:43 PM
also the words of Bob the Builder, and Bob was first.
TheVer on June 26, 2009 at 9:43 PM
really? the new deal is pretty permanent..so is the great society….the democrats know how to wield power, and build lasting institutions of leftism…we do nothing to dismantle it…or replace it with conservatism.
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Yeah, I actually appreciate Goldwater thinking about the Constitutionality… and then admitting his “no” was a mistake.
Upstater85 on June 26, 2009 at 9:44 PM
My Democrap Representative voted for this crap. I just burned a freaking hole in his e-mail and fully intend to burn his phone line up Monday after next. So angry I could spit nails.
jimmy2shoes on June 26, 2009 at 9:45 PM
I made my point. what stance(s) should I re-evaluate?
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Thanks. Trying to picture th
Sorry, forgot what I was going to type next. Mind wandered for some reason.
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 9:46 PM
This phase we are in affects my kids future and not in a good way. I’m an old mother hen when it comes to them.
I haven’t gotten so down that I’m out either. As a matter of fact I’m fighting mad and will continue to do what I have to in order to preserve what has always been good about this country and not accept the drivel coming out of the great experiment now.
Miss Molly on June 26, 2009 at 9:46 PM
As much as it roils my DNA to do this: I guess we should give some credit to those 50 Democrats who voted no. Credit when credit is due?
seanrobins on June 26, 2009 at 9:46 PM
right4life:
They were not the Country Club set in their time. They were the party. They were the minority that actually voted against things like Social Security. They were not too sure about the FDIC. Thing about that. Those socalled country club Republicans had to try and stand up against a huge majority, a terrified country and people like FDR and John Kennedy.
Terrye on June 26, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Hitting the pickle juice again=?
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 9:48 PM
look at Nixon…VP and then president…’we are all keynsians now’ he instituted the EPA, affirmative action, wage and price controls….
he was (is) what most republicans are like…they hate conservatives…look at Powell….
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Like I said: credit where credit is due.
And condemnation where condemnation is due.
As for the GOP Eight? Screw-em Big Time!
seanrobins on June 26, 2009 at 9:48 PM
One amongst you needs an intervention, STAT! I doubt that I am assuming too much if I don’t personally name him least that tip him even more over the edge and we wouldn’t want that.
Sigmund on June 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM
jimmy2shoes on June 26, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Mine too, but I knew he would
He is Barry Jr.
bazil9 on June 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM
right4life on June 26, 2009
Looks like someone needs their thorazine administered with a turkey baster.
tru2tx on June 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Upstater:
It was a mistake in retrospect, but I think Goldwater was doing what he really thought was right.
Terrye on June 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Thanks for the links. I am bookmarking you post.
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM
I watched the whole thing. Magnificent. Even more enjoyable was Waxman squirming like stuck pig.
BrideOfRove on June 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Why should he? He’s probably liberal enough to be deemed “electable” by Ayatollah John Cornyn, the Supreme Leader of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. Haven’t you heard? The Ayatollah only endorses RINO’s these days – and excoriates Conservative Republicans as “infidels” if they consider voting for any upstart Conservative candidate that dare challenges the Supreme Leader’s “chosen ones”.
HondaV65 on June 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Loud and proud, what more can be said!!!
dmann on June 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM
It was 44, and yes they do deserve credit. I e-mailed my Donk to thank him
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml
Upstater85 on June 26, 2009 at 9:50 PM
“Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse.
Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you.
Instruct a wise man and he will be wiser still; teach a righteous man and he will add to his learning.
“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One e is understanding. For through me your days will be many, and years will be added to your life. If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you; if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer.”
thomasaur on June 26, 2009 at 9:50 PM
I don’t know about it dying in the Senate….power politics will be played…and the democrats will fall in line…as will mccain, snowe, grahamnesty, collins…
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Exactly. And I don’t hold it against him for considering the Constitutionality of it. We need more people like him!
Upstater85 on June 26, 2009 at 9:51 PM
first you threaten me, now you quote scripture to me. those are good verses…and thats why I don’t usually waste time with people like you.
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 9:51 PM
I’m pretty BO’d about this, and have already written Cornyn and Hutchison asking them to show a little leadership and not just vote “no” in the senate, but to actually try to influence others to vote “no” as well.
Hutch is a bit gutless, but Cornyn may attempt a principled stand.
The turncoat RINOs in the house should be expelled from the party immediately. Let’s start unloading the garbage now!
mr.blacksheep on June 26, 2009 at 9:52 PM
We need Newt or someone like him to form a new Contract for America with a high priority in thr agenda to oust the eight bastards who voted for this POS legislation. Enough is enough already with this boy king and these sell0out politicians and the media for not educatinf the people. This country going to hell in a hand basket with this fruit cake administration. If anyone in the republican party has any balls how about standing up and tell the
bluegrass on June 26, 2009 at 9:53 PM
another bully threatening me!! is there a full moon out tonight??
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Start it and they will come.
You have one, count ‘em, one angry and ready to fight new recruit.
Miss Molly on June 26, 2009 at 9:53 PM
right4life:
No, they do not hate conservatives. The fact that you don’t always get what you want does not mean that anyone hates you.
The only good thing about being an old lady is that I can actually remember some of these people. Nixon won a huge landslide. People voted for him. Republicans nominated him, for real, it was not a conspiracy designed to thwart conservatives.
My point is that the old party you sniff at as Country Club, was the party that tried and failed to stop the New Deal. That is the world they operated in.
Terrye on June 26, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Wednesday morning, I woke from having a terribly frightening nightmare of an arched eyebrowed, big eyed and smeared lipsticked Pelosi. And when I woke up, the first words out of my mouth were: I’m gonna git Upstater85!
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 9:54 PM
We can hope and pray that it does.
But don’t leave it to your assumptions. If you do…you’ll be wrong.
The stakes this time have never been bigger for this country. And while it might look like quite a few people have been waking up recently to what the Left is doing/trying to do… please don’t forget the Mindless Majority in the Middle, i.e., the “moderates” or the “independants”…
you know, the 40% swath of America in the middle who are abject morons….
Yes, them…..
seanrobins on June 26, 2009 at 9:54 PM
We’ll get to the stances in a minute. I thought I read where Lox said you were a disgrace to protestants. Which would lead me to assume that you are. As am I. But with the posts to Lox and others tonight I am having a hard time reconciling that. Best case scenario is you’ve had a really bad day an emotions are such they are uncontrollable. Worst case scenario is that even though you defend your viewpoints vigorously it is in an immature manner. Respect is important in any debate.
HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Upstater:
The problem was that Eisenhower got about 40% of the black vote. After Goldwater got into with Martin Luther King, the Republicans lost that vote almost over night.
Sometimes principles and politics do not mix well.
Terrye on June 26, 2009 at 9:56 PM
tru2tx on June 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM
Def Leppard ;)
bazil9 on June 26, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Take a breath, pal.
Guess I needed to use the sarc tag off symbol.
:::eyeroll:::
tru2tx on June 26, 2009 at 9:57 PM
I worry about Newt, though…
he has been trying so HARD the past few years to appear like the scholarly and wise old sage that is above the fray… he almost tries to make himself sound like he is better than those who would engage in rough-and-tumble political debate….
I really don’t know what to expect from him, or whether he can be counted on in the partisan trenches…
seanrobins on June 26, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Did you ever think the time would come when America taxed the very air you breathe?
hawksruleva on June 26, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Oh, absolutely… I think Ron Paul is a prime example.
Upstater85 on June 26, 2009 at 10:00 PM
yeah….
liquidflorian on June 26, 2009 at 10:01 PM
I can’t believe you used the Ayatollah’s name and the word “principled” in the same sentence. The Ayatollah hasn’t a principled bone in his body.
HondaV65 on June 26, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Funny did the exact same thing. Lost confidence in Kay. Don’t think she has a chance against Perry. Our mayor Bill White is going to run for her seat. My vote will go to Johnson the RR commish.
HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 10:03 PM
No matter how much you treat me like trash or if you treat anyone else in this manner, I am a human being, they are human beings and so are you, created in God’s divine image. And none of us are disposable or recyclable. So, we all have our carbon emissions.
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 10:05 PM
But do the want to adhere to the Constitution?
Cindy Munford on June 26, 2009 at 10:05 PM
I apologize PercyB, but each moment is indeed a trial, and we are all judges.
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 10:07 PM
“Principled,” as when Cornyn voted to confirm Geithner?
Or, “principled” as when Cornyn voted “aye” a week or two ago on the bill that gave the Feds virtual control of the tobacco industry?
Or, “principled” as when Cornyn threw his NRSC support behind Specter over Toomey.
Face it: Cornyn has gone wobbly…. And I voted for him a few months back.
sanantonian on June 26, 2009 at 10:09 PM
simplesimon on June 26, 2009 at 8:00 PM
We’re no one’s to give. THIS is a republic! Our state is working pretty damn well. How is yours doing? How ’bout we make our oil foreign oil
HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Don`t waste time on that one. I`d bet money a bluestater.
LSUMama on June 26, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Now LOX you’re just pushing buttons aren’t you :)
HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Sorry! lost control. The day has had me spitting fire.
HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Everything on Hot Air is bazil9′s business.
Don’t you know who bazil9 is?
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Upstater:
I have to say, Ron Paul just scares me.
Terrye on June 26, 2009 at 10:13 PM
No. I am the idiot. Remember?
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 10:14 PM
I followed that link to the Inhofe story and he does sound pretty certain that this thing is dead. I hope so.
Terrye on June 26, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Where can I find out how my representative voted? I made several calls to her to ask her to vote No.
microfiction on June 26, 2009 at 10:15 PM
you could have fooled me…Powell sure seems to hate conservatives..as does Frum, Buckley, Parker, etc…
I don’t know where you get the idea they tried to stop the new deal, Nixon was as big government as they come…like I said EPA, affirmative action, wage and price controls were all nixon’s ideas…
the republicans have not historically been conservative…just like bush jr. was not that conservative. thats what the republcans are…they want our votes….and then we should shut up.
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 10:16 PM
No I don’t. I can barely manage suffering for my own sins. It’s more than a full-time job.
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 10:16 PM
get a life ‘pal’ :rolleyes: duhhhhh
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 10:18 PM
You can go to the CSPAN site on on the homepage they have a HR2454 roll call vote. Lists the reps alphabetically
HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Every time that McCain votes or says or does something with which I disagree, I say to myself, “I wish this man was President.” He has angered me so frequently, but still. There is simply no comparison with the Obamanation we got instead.
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 10:20 PM
I have no respect for people like Lox. like I said, you all don’t know the history…he stalked me for quite a while…telling me how evil I am, and how good he is…and then in one thread, I was arguing with someone who had no problem with CUTTING A HOLE IN A BABIES HEAD AND SUCKING OUT THE BRAINS…
that didn’t bother mr. holier-than-thou lox, oh no, he was too busy chastising me for my sins!!
and with his previous quote discounting the importance of the pro-life position, it was a good chance to point out his hypocrisy.
and yes it was fun!
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 10:21 PM
right4life:
Are you drinking? When I was talking about the New Deal, I was talking about the Republican party as it used to be, back when the guys that you call the Country Club conservatives were pretty much the back bone of the party.
I then mentioned that Nixon won a huge landslide. I even made the point that Nixon and Eisenhower were not all that conservative in terms of what some people today think of as conservative. My point being that it is not as if the party used to be controlled by far right ideologues and then went left or something. In many ways, the party is more conservative than it used to be.
The Democrats have changed too over the years. FDR was able to use class warfare to build a winning coalition, but eventually the South split away.
Terrye on June 26, 2009 at 10:22 PM
and a self-righteous hypocrite.
nice of you ‘mr. christian’, to cast aside the unborn in the pursuit of power…
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 10:23 PM
That buttsniffing little sissy Mark Kirk is toast. He not only won’t win the GOP primary for Senate, he’ll lose his next election for House. He’s got a well-funded challenger, and his conservative supporters will bail on him.
Eff you, Kirk, you girlyman.
Jaibones on June 26, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Loxodonta:
McCain is the better man. It is just that simple.
Terrye on June 26, 2009 at 10:23 PM
McCain is for Cap and Trader.
Saltysam on June 26, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Only the social conservatives whom they believe are keeping them out of power.
Jvette on June 26, 2009 at 10:24 PM
So am I right to assume that after having that former male cheerleader and his friends run America into the ground you really expect to have a voice in 2009?
Dream on teabaggers, the party is just beginning. Al Gore just got his revenge tonight, btw.
simplesimon on June 26, 2009 at 8:48 PM
I got your teabagger you JACKA_S ! Why don`t you pickup your toys and go home.
LSUMama on June 26, 2009 at 10:24 PM
I am now totally convinced that the Cloward/Piven strategy is in play.
No sane Gov’t would act this way.
I think it’s time to roll.
After one more Scotch.
JoeAvg on June 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Yes. I care for children. I find they are often much more fun than adults, and they make fewer messes.
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM
and the country clubbers still control the party. I don’t see how the conservatives have had much success within the republican party, other than supplying votes…then being told to sit in the corner and shut up. Reagan was an anomoly.
the democrats are, and have been for decades, dedicated socialists…FDR was one..and they have been very successful.
talk about history, FDR was buddy-buddy with STALIN, and hired HISS…and when Chambers told them he was a communist, they shrugged it off…
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 10:26 PM
If the NRCC gives any $$$ 2 the 8, it’s war!!!
THE CHOSEN ONE on June 26, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Roll call results
darwin-t on June 26, 2009 at 10:26 PM
very true, they just want us to vote for them, and let our ‘betters’ govern as they want to!! ie colluding with the democrats like bush jr. sr., ford, nixon, etc….
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 10:27 PM
and amnesty, and repeal of the Bush tax cuts, and McCain-Feingold and gay marriage, and gun control and….
Aside from a hawkish position with regards to foreign affairs, McCain = Obama in every way imaginable.
angryed on June 26, 2009 at 10:27 PM
FYI, to anyone who sympathizes with the Tea Parties or feels the need to DO SOMETHING in response to this travesty of a bill:
The nationwide Tea Party Patriots are taking to the streets tomorrow: they’ll gather in front of their local Federal Courthouses and (if you live in or near a state capital) Capitol Buildings to protest the passage of Cap-and-Trade. The idea is to make the 8 Republican traitors feel the pressure, and to present a formidable opposition as the bill approaches the Senate. Other Tea Parties will address this later, but tomorrow’s takes advantage of the immediate media coverage in anticipation of next week’s Independence Day celebrations.
Please participate if you can! Details will be up on http: within the hour, but my current understanding is that it will be an all-day event to fit as many schedules as possible, although many will start at noon. Make your voice heard!
Animator Girl on June 26, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Between now and the Senate vote they need to hear from us. We need to burn the Senate phone lines down with our calls.
kingsjester on June 26, 2009 at 10:28 PM
ACK, cannot figure this thing out….
Better?
Animator Girl on June 26, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Then we shall simply have to fight for the title. Best man wins!
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 10:28 PM
FDR was garbage. Granted. But I don’t think FDR ever wished for the demise of the USA like Obama wishes.
angryed on June 26, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Yeah, I did too :( but I just couldn’t vote for a Demoncrap. At least I get replies from him; haven’t heard from Hutch since I told her she shouldn’t bother running for Gov. Think it was something I said?
Wish we could trade Hutch and Cornyn for Inhofe.
mr.blacksheep on June 26, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Thanks. I shall simply read through the thread, then take your advice.
Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Forget it.
I’m not going to be sucked into a slow death rather than this rapid suicide that the country is going through.
We need to be diligent in recognizing the method by which this country’s continuous net drift to the left.
Its always two steps left and then one step right. The net result is one step left.
We need two steps right, one step left…two steps right, one step left…etc.
McCain would have been one step left in 2008. Now, he seems like one step right. That’s how squishy republicans stay in power.
I’m not going down that road anymore.
Saltysam on June 26, 2009 at 10:30 PM
absolutely right!!!
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 10:31 PM
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