Video: Boehner slaps down Waxman, filibusters cap and trade; Update: Bill passes, 219-212; eight GOPers are the difference; Update: GOP defectors named; Update: One defector considering Senate run
posted at 6:53 pm on June 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Yeah, I know: Technically there’s no filibuster in the House, but the majority and minority leaders are typically given great latitude in terms of how long they can speak. Enter Waxman, the genius behind the 300-page amendment no one’s read, wanting to know just how great that latitude is. High drama as the answer comes from Democrat Ellen Tauscher, presiding over the session.
How long can Boehner keep talking tonight? Stay tuned. Click the image to watch.
Update: The filibuster’s over and the final 15-minute vote is in progress. With nine minutes left, it’s 193-183.
Update: 219-212, with eight Republicans — the difference between passage and defeat — defecting to vote yes. The boss is already hunting around for their names. I hope they got a sweet deal from Pelosi because talk radio is about to make their lives very, very difficult.
Update: Inhofe predicts cap and trade will die in the Senate, which is probably true. I wonder if that made the bitter pill easier to swallow for those eight Republicans.
Update: The boss has the names:
Bono Mack
Castle
Kirk
Lance
LoBiondo
McHugh
Reichert
Smith (NJ)
Update: An epitaph from Vodkapundit: “Never have so few stolen so much from so many to achieve so little.”
Update: If you’re looking for a lightning rod among the elite eight, Mark Kirk is probably the one. He’s considering running for Obama’s old Senate seat next year. Memo to Kirk: Reconsider.
Update: A good point from Goldfarb while we’re busy obsessing over the eight GOP turncoats: What about the 50 Democrats who voted no? They’ve earned the ire of liberals needlessly, given that the bill’s destined for likely death in the Senate.
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Fact is Mark Kirk and the other cronies are all we got. John Cornyn is refusing to recruit conservatives, they are marginalizing the few who remain in the party(Sarah, Michelle, Marco), they don’t want to run n win in South and other territories which shuld be home to the GOP, they are going in for these quixotic exercises in Chicago n Delware and hiring these horrible bluebloods(Kirk, Castle) who are more liberal than liberals themselves.
Cornyn is knee deep involved in this moderate putsch. Conservatives should mount a campaign to get him removed from NRSC, actively scout for viable candidates and field them n manage races ourselves, that’s how we get our party back the country back. Its time for action, people.
promachus on June 27, 2009 at 9:08 AM
progressoverpeace on June 27, 2009 at 9:02 AM
Precedent Obligate
maverick muse on June 27, 2009 at 9:09 AM
I will be sending daily emails urging Lugar and Bayh to oppose this in the senate. I’m glad to see our 2nd District Congressman voted no. I have to wonder though if he waited until he knew it would pass before he voted no to cover his sorry a$$ with his Hoosier constituents. Remember, if they have a (D) after their name, they are radioactive and can only be trusted to knife you in the back eventually.
SKYFOX on June 27, 2009 at 9:16 AM
” The tree of LIBERTY is refreashed with the blood of patriots and tyrants”
Thomas Jefferson
pocha on June 27, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Regarding Kirk. We need someone to run against him in the primary and knock him out of his House seat. I got an email response from his office when I emailed him to vote NO on this. The response is full of various bullpucky explaining why he is voting for the bill. For example:
And yet gosh — CO2 levels rose from 280 ppm (1850) to 385 ppm (today) and temperature has only gone up a bit more than 1 degree. Guess being a politician he doesn’t see the disconnect.
SunSword on June 27, 2009 at 9:21 AM
when did the last ice age end?
it didn’t. we’re still in it. and it will end because that is the natural progression of things.
and hey, i’m not even a scientist & i knew that.
all of the Congressidjits need to go.
kelley in virginia on June 27, 2009 at 9:31 AM
Mike Steele’s silence is deafening at this point.
Iblis on June 27, 2009 at 9:35 AM
I’m beginning to think it is too late to salvage the Republican Party, its’ time to dump ALL incumbants, start a Conservative Party based on reform of the Corruptocrats their respective parties be Damned!
Dump em all, start anew and force them to accept term limits and the same retirement and health insurance plans a normal citizen has.
Reserve the retirement and healthcare for the military, the only piece of government that works well.
These clowns and fools are not aristocracy, they are not even as bright as most successful citizens, they are leechs, clowns, panderers, and whores.
Sick em Sarah they are makin great big targets of themselves.
If you can thin out the wolves with fur you can thin out the sneaky bastards without fur.
We got your back and we got the money you go girl!
dhunter on June 27, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Sleep was hard last night. It was like an earthquake had taken place and no one knew it yet. Unless we have a huge show of support today, it will pass in the senate without any problem.
Bambi on June 27, 2009 at 9:46 AM
Interesting that Jim Gerlach voted No on this, while the pretend-Blue Dog Patrick Murphy voted for it. I am going to personally make sure Murphy pays for this vote. He’s been nothing but a lap dog for Nancy Pelosi while campaigning as an independent pro-business moderate.
rockmom on June 27, 2009 at 9:47 AM
And a PS. They are planning the health care for the masses and not for the congress. We will get one health care, and they will have their own.
Bambi on June 27, 2009 at 9:48 AM
translation: “I don’t like how our elected representatives voted therefore they should be killed”
You are missing some key points about democracy.
Bradky on June 27, 2009 at 9:50 AM
The only solution left to the sane parts of this country is secession.
progressoverpeace on June 27, 2009 at 7:16 AM
Hurts to say it does`nt it. They are forcing the hand and I think they just might be surprised at the inventive ways Americans figure out how to keep our money out of their hands.
LSUMama on June 27, 2009 at 9:51 AM
This Onion-style parody summarizes the current state of things: “Democrats Force Quick Vote on ‘Cap and Tax’ Legislation, Citing an ‘Escalating Skepticism Crisis’ Regarding Climate Warming Theories.” Check out the picture as well: http://www.optoons.blogspot.com/ (June 27 entry)
Mervis Winter on June 27, 2009 at 9:52 AM
You keep dreaming of secession. You do realize that Texas would immediately lose all federal/mil agencies and the dollars they push to the economy don’t you?
Louisiana would lose barkdsdale and the navy facilities in NO area.
And since secession means you are no longer part of the union you would need to call yourself something else besides American.
Bradky on June 27, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Terrye on June 27, 2009 at 6:57 AM
I mean no insult many people don`t know about the controls that have slowly been put in place. I understand your anger totally but I`m am on your side and if we waste time arguing between ourselves then it distracts us from the real issue.Which is figuring out how the hell to stop these maniacs before its to late.
LSUMama on June 27, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Texas needs to dump Cornyn
There is a strong conservative voice, and a strong Texan in Congressman Joe Barton. He laid a Public slap down on Waxman & the vote selling yesterday – Barton needs to run for Senate to replace the weak appeaser Cornyn.
batterup on June 27, 2009 at 10:01 AM
I have no desire to share a party with someone that thinks cap-and-trade is a good idea. Period.
spmat on June 27, 2009 at 10:03 AM
That’s true, but they became the neo-Pravda. McCain didn’t bother fighting back against that very dangerous development in our country. That should have alarmed him more than anything. But, he didn’t really seem to be bothered too much by it. He was too worried that Palin might open her mouth and say something that conservatives agreed with.
progressoverpeace on June 27, 2009 at 7:51 AM
I will never understand why they didn`t let her do what she does she would have won if they had let her alone. Its almost as if Obama had a plant or two as McCain campaign advisors. Call me crazy but .
LSUMama on June 27, 2009 at 10:03 AM
Once again, I see conservatives aiming their fire at Republicans after an important vote by a Democratically-controlled Congress. What is the matter with you people? I’m sure many of you are represented by a Democrat who voted for this abomination. Instead of whining about John Cornyn (????) and Michael Steele, maybe you should think about what you are going to do to get rid of your House member that voted for this thing!
rockmom on June 27, 2009 at 10:05 AM
Hmm, were you commenting on any liberal blogs in the last 4 years where people were calling for Rumsfeld to be killed and Bush tried and executed for war crimes? Frustrated people say outrageous things on the Internet sometimes. Get over yourself.
rockmom on June 27, 2009 at 10:08 AM
I know AP hates it when we go off the ranch like this, so this is my little piece of revenge for last nights quote of the day. Pocka obviously missed a step in her chain of thought but I have been thinking about this. What are the signs that we have to take matters in our own hands?
Is it when the government violates our own laws as they have been doing on a regular basic during this financial crisis. Is it when they fire the first shot? We need some criteria to know when the system has quit working and it’s time to do that Jefferson thing Pocka was talking about.
DFCtomm on June 27, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Secession has to be a viable option, it IS a viable option and always has been, without it there would be literally nothing the United States federal government couldn’t do to free men.
Bishop on June 27, 2009 at 8:13 AM
Like they are doing to us now? Tyranny will never fly here I hope.
LSUMama on June 27, 2009 at 10:09 AM
These are all problems that were faced, and overcome by this country once before, and I don’t think Texans would have a problem going by the name Texans.
DFCtomm on June 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Just for the record, disagreeing with you or taking exception to the tone of your comment does not constitute a thread. Stop being such a victim.
Cindy Munford on June 27, 2009 at 10:16 AM
I said the same thing yesterday. But it’s somewhat understandable. We expect most of the Dems to follow Pelosi’s lead and vote yea on this travesty no matter how badly it screws over their constituents.
But to have 8 Republicans cross the aisle and help pass this thing is an act of betrayal. We expect them to stand up for conservative principles. The hell with that. We expect them to stand up for the American people, period! And the fact that they provided the Dems with the margin of victory only adds insult to injury.
We’ll target the Dems who voted for this(as well as porkulus). 2010 will be a bloodbath, believe me. But because it feels like they stabbed us in the heart and twisted the knife, these 8 GOP traitors are getting most of the heat from conservatives at the moment.
Doughboy on June 27, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Does anyone have a link of a site where I can find out how my asshole, errr, representative, voted? My local paper doesn’t have that info.
RWLA on June 27, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Takin’ names and Kiickin’ Butt
CynicalOptimist on June 27, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Well guys I’m not going anywhere, and if I have to start from scratch why not start from scratch here. If push comes to shove then I’m taking everything back. The nanny state isn’t great at defending itself, so that isn’t the real problem. The problem is finding a Washington, and not a Caesar. You have to have a leader that when the time comes will hand the reins back over the republic and step down, even if they are offered a crown.
DFCtomm on June 27, 2009 at 10:27 AM
New life’s goal: defeat Castle.
Akzed on June 27, 2009 at 10:29 AM
progressoverpeace on June 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM
I agree with you on every issue but I don`t think McCain would ever get the media coverage needed to get the word out to the right voters. Sarah got the coverage because they hate and fear her. And even then they took everything they could out of context to ridicule her. I never thought I would see a Nazi propaganda machine at work in my beloved Country. But short of the trucks blaring messages through the streets thats exactly what we have. Of course they were genius in getting to college students on internet. Problem is they did vote atleast some of them, but they couldn`t tell the reason other than it sounded cool at the time.Not to mention they probably got a curve up on final grades.
LSUMama on June 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Apparently it’s a GD state secret how my idiot, errr, representative, voted on this bill. My local media has printed nothing, and I’m clueless as to how to find out. My idiot is Holden, PA 17. Anybody have the info?
RWLA on June 27, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Here is a link from a previous post.
DFCtomm on June 27, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Thank you DFC. I appreciate that. Holden voted NO. Unreal. He actually did something right.
RWLA on June 27, 2009 at 10:39 AM
This was a done deal from the get-go. Does anyone think that Pelosi really would’ve let those dim votes go if she needed them? RINOs are not the main problem. The Dim Majority is the Problem. End that first.
Lou Budvis on June 27, 2009 at 10:40 AM
You keep dreaming of secession. You do realize that Texas would immediately lose all federal/mil agencies and the dollars they push to the economy don’t you?
Louisiana would lose barkdsdale and the navy facilities in NO area.
And since secession means you are no longer part of the union you would need to call yourself something else besides American.
Bradky on June 27, 2009 at 9:53 AM
I`m sorry if I gave the impression that I wanted to secede Nothing could be further from the truth. but I know something is gonna give .
LSUMama on June 27, 2009 at 10:41 AM
oh please, read the thread…one minute I am told I am a bully and ‘threatening’ and then the same person turns around and bullies and threatens me.
you need to improve your reading comprehension…
right4life on June 27, 2009 at 10:41 AM
The tipping point is near. The feds will take MUCH more than Texas will ever get back. But it is not about what we get vs. what we take. It is about freedom. To live your life without an oppressive thumb controlling every aspect of your life. Look at Iran today. Do you want to live like that? That is where America is headed. Texans will bear the biggest burden under Cap & Trade. It is almost as if the feds want a showdown. Will dammit they will get one. Imagine the State of Texas on it’s own. The amount of capital & brain power that would flow in would be incredible. Texas could survive just by becoming a place where people could get medical treatment for gods sake. Texas would be THE indusrial powerhouse of North America. Texas would be the largest ENERGY producer in North America. Without federal control Texas could undergo the largest expansion of nuclear energy the world has ever seen. We would not be burdened by the Cap & Trade provisions. The rest of America would not be a pleasant place to live. I think Texas would gladly give up Federal dollars in exchange for being it’s own republic. Imagine the wealth that would be saved & created if Texans could plow their once Federal income taxes into the Republic Of Texas? I would gladly give up any future Social Security. Sure there will be many liberals howling about a Republic of Texas. Those folks would be free to move back to the Obamanation. The Cap & Trade vote was more indicator that a complete nationalization is underway and economic facism will be the order of the day. Lesser men with lesser means have broken away from far oppressive regimes. If you don’t think it can haopen he then please go take some history courses and learn now before the Obamanation wipes the slate clean.
izoneguy on June 27, 2009 at 10:45 AM
yep, for a glimpse of our future, see detroit…
right4life on June 27, 2009 at 10:47 AM
right4life on June 27, 2009 at 10:41 AM
I`m sure someone of your intelligence can make a point without insulting people. Lets play that game shall we.
LSUMama on June 27, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Secesson? If Fort Sumpter had not been bombarded, and the South had chosen a new approach, things might have been different. Could the South have seceded without hostilities? No one will know.
Secession did not cause the Civil War, the firing on Fort Sumpter did.
Pelayo on June 27, 2009 at 10:53 AM
thank you, but this was a little payback for Lox…and other people decided they wanted to play, so you wouldn’t want me to disapoint them would you?
right4life on June 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Unless the democrats actually get some legislation through it won’t. The democrats have talked a good socialist agenda but haven’t really came though. I think it’s because they know that if their programs go badly they are finished as a party. They have the opportunity now, but are having a crisis of faith. If cap-n-trade makes it through and health care, then yes it will be a blood bath, but that doesn’t mean that the GOP will be able to repair all the damage. It has been somewhat of a constant that once an entitlement makes it in, then it cannot be removed.
DFCtomm on June 27, 2009 at 10:56 AM
How about Texan!
Pelayo on June 27, 2009 at 10:56 AM
rockmom on June 27, 2009 at 10:05 AM
But those 8 Repubs could have stopped this. Instead, they cut the knees out from under us.
They are responsible and need to be held accountable.
We got NO debate on porkulous neither, thanks to the treacherous actions of Snowe, Collins and Spector.
If we fail to focus on these fringe republicans (exception: Spector-D), we will fail completely.
Saltysam on June 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM
Steele was in Detroit on Thursday discussing the GOP’s message.
The bullet point: FAMILY VALUES
This,on the heels of yet another Republican family values melt-down. He was both laughed at and scorned.
Nice work.
Boehner got it right. When the American people are feeling the grinding weight of the Obama/Pelosi government, the republican message should focus on one thing:
FREEDOM
Browndog on June 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM
Family values: Food Shelter and Clothing – which will soon be unaffordable. Steele has got to go.
Pelayo on June 27, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Doughboy on June 27, 2009 at 11:00 AM
I’m on vacation and I spent 2 hours calling Kirk’s office yesterday. The entire time: BUSY SIGNAL. Don’t know if those means he was getting an earfull or they took the phone off the hook. Was upset I couldn’t get through and give my two cents.
What is wrong with them that THEY DON’T READ A BILL?!!??
conservative pilgrim on June 27, 2009 at 11:00 AM
don’t worry, Obama will take care of ya!!
y’all just need to learn to love obama…freedom IS slavery…
right4life on June 27, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Well, in a couple of months, obama will no longer have a need for the term ‘american’. He’ll be able to get rid of the imperialistic flag with all those stars, the blood color and the pretentions sybmolism of the white. He can replace that with the uber cool circle logo , you know, the one that looks almost exactly like the logo of his budcy billy ayer’s weather underground.
When we reach our socialis paradise, he’ll probably change the name from america to something like the national socialist states of obama or perhaps the people’s republic of obama. … something that will look cool on those building sized posters of the THE ONE and the saddam like collassal statutes of his likeness.
That being said, the name “america” will no longer have an owner so Texas could then appropriate it, perhaps as a nickname at least.
bullseye on June 27, 2009 at 11:05 AM
I am very shocked and quite pleased that my Rep (Nye) actually voted against this monstrosity. I read at Michelle’s yesterday that he was leaning yes. He may be Dem, but at least he’s not completely gone.
Anna on June 27, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Obama is my Mama;
I shall not want
He promise me free Band-Aids
. . .
Are there ant poets out there?
Pelayo on June 27, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Steele has been such a disappointment. I’ve been practicing the Not One Red Cent for a while and returning the NRCC mail with comments why they aren’t getting any money from me. Like Rush said this week, “We need to reject their premises.” Stop by playing by the Dems/Liberal’s rules and starting point.
conservative pilgrim on June 27, 2009 at 11:07 AM
I love my Rep. It took me a second, but once i saw his name, I knew I didn’t even have to call.
It doesn’t piss me off any less that it passed, but at least the guy still has my vote when he comes up for re-election.
bluelightbrigade on June 27, 2009 at 11:13 AM
There is a point that needs to be made here – A Republican majority means that Republicans willl control the agenda in the House. You may want to lynch your Rep. but having a seat filler that is even a RINO is important. If the R Party controlled the House this bill may have never reached the Floor. Don’t be too quick to look for another candidate who may lose to a Democratski.
Pelayo on June 27, 2009 at 11:34 AM
psst. They didn’t even read it. You have the leadership (extreme partisans / radical idealogues) rolling their underlings with lies and misdirection. The people who voted for it have NO IDEA what this bill is about. It’s a disgrace and a slap in the face of all citizens. They were told that “it won’t effect your state” and “It’s only a tax on big business”, and similar nonsense. The EPA will COME IN YOUR HOUSE to determine your energy usage. IT’S IN THE BILL! These schmucks are selling us down the river.
marklmail on June 27, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Then I’m moving south because it sure as shiit won’t be Minnesota joining the cause.
Bishop on June 27, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Don’t suppose you have a link for that tidbit? I would love to pass it around.
Bishop on June 27, 2009 at 11:43 AM
I still believe that any thought of seceding would have be put on hold until additional states were on board. If we could get close to 10, then it becomes much more of a realistic possibility.
Then I’m moving south because it sure as shiit won’t be Minnesota joining the cause.
Bishop on June 27, 2009 at 11:42 AM
http://www.texasrepublic DOT info
izoneguy on June 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM
You don’t know that. The votes were counted before this thing hit the floor and Pelosi knew it would pass or she would not have brought the vote. If all the Republicans had voted No, Pelosi would have whipped the Dems harder and gotten the votes for it anyway. That’s how these things work. All the 8 Republicans did was allow Pelosi to let a few more Democrats in conservative districts vote against it. That sucks, but it is probably incorrect to say this thing passed because of the 8 Republican votes.
rockmom on June 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM
I would love to know what you think Michael Steele could have done to kill this bill. And by the way, he doesn’t run the NRCC or control who does run it.
rockmom on June 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Mark Levin interviewing Mike Pence about cap and trade during the vote. Democrats cheer in the background after its passed.
V15J on June 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Sadly this seems to be true.
Chaz706 on June 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM
I think that’s right, the vote tally is no coincidence. More Dems would have voted for it (enough to pass the bill) if all the Repubs had voted no. The fact that some Repubs voted for it, gave cover to some Dems such that they could vote against it. It’s all contrived.
Having said that, we need to make sure the traiterous 8 know that we will do our utmost to make sure they are not re-elected. Just say no to Statists of Neo-Statists for that matter.
rockmom on June 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM
WordsMatter on June 27, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Just when I thought it couldn’t be worse:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/06/023909.php
elduende on June 27, 2009 at 12:16 PM
This would be an excellent time for someone to do a study of bipartisanship under Republicans eight years ago and under Democrats today.
JohnJ on June 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM
THEY WILL COME IN YOUR HOUSE TO MONITOR YOUR USAGE. Here’s the link to the “cap and trade” bill. Search for the words “Residential Assessment Program”.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/images/stories/Documents/PDF/selected_legislation/clim08_001_xml.pdf
marklmail on June 27, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Mary Bono! How could ye?? Man, did I have her pegged wrong. And she is so hot. But to vote with Babs Boxer? I am now working against her in any re-election bid. A traitoress, in an attractive disguise.
jsaturn on June 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Dear God,
Please keep John Boehner safe from loose Argentinian lap dancing former reporterettes~
clnurnberg on June 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Kirk must think his idiotic vote will help him in Illinois. He is oh so wrong.
Sheerq on June 27, 2009 at 1:01 PM
clnurnberg on June 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM
LoL
bridgetown on June 27, 2009 at 1:01 PM
I am a Delaware resident. Are you? If so, do you know of any good online communities for conservative politics in DE? I am right behind you buddy, I just wrote him this letter:
I could have written that letter better but I am so disgusted with him right now that I cannot be bothered to give this pathetic twit any more of my time today.
We can do this! Let bury this sorry POS in 2010!
Joe Caps on June 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM
You are correct. However, that better message is not getting out to the average voter. How many were aware of the amendments to this travesty that were proposed by the Republican in order to lessen the economic damage?
onlineanalyst on June 27, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Remember when the left was all about sucession:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jesusland_map.svg
Looks mighty good to me, any leftists still on board?
Rebar on June 27, 2009 at 1:30 PM
I commend you on your letter to Castle, but dude’s been in office for most if not all of my life (I’m 26). There used to be conservatives where I’m from (lower DE), but not anymore. Heck, Castle was a RINO before being a RINO was popular.
Unless someone actively campaigns against him, Castle’s going to have a life term in office.
Anna on June 27, 2009 at 1:30 PM
We passed that point already. Our forefathers would’ve already been at war.
Midas on June 27, 2009 at 1:33 PM
As to the eight republicans, here’s a serious question – can Steele and the Republican party simply refuse to allow them to run as Republicans when they’re re-election comes up? Just find someone else to run, and make those asshats run as independents?
Midas on June 27, 2009 at 1:35 PM
As to the eight republicans, here’s a serious question – can Steele and the Republican party simply refuse to allow them to run as Republicans when they’re re-election comes up? Just find someone else to run, and make those idiots run as independents?
Midas on June 27, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Why not simply run an ad that lists the Representatives (and Senators) heavily invested in green technologies and carbon credit schemes and indicate their support for the Cap and Trade bill? The bottom of the ad would simply ask the question: Who benefits from this legislation?
The Dems and their enviroweenie supporters have always demonized the oil/gas/coal industries as being in the pocket of their adversaries. Why not a turnabout attack?
onlineanalyst on June 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM
I completely agree with you, the issue is not really the R’s that voted for this, it is the fact that only a Dem controlled Congress could bring such a vote to begin with. This was a real eye opener for me. I live in PA 8 represented by Patrick Murphy. He voted for this and never responded to my letters concerning his vote.
Murphy claims to be a Blue Dog because this district has a long history of having a Republican in that seat. He votes, however, 99% of the time with Pelosi. He does not reflect the interests of the district, he is a Pelosi lap dog. He has already raised money for 10 and raised unreal amounts of money for the last election. This is a seat that needs to be targeted big time.
msmveritas on June 27, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Do you qualify?
Rebar on June 27, 2009 at 1:40 PM
PHUCK me!!
moonbatkiller on June 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM
This is a false choice, for if we have total collapse, we will surely head toward a totalitarian state. A collapse would lead to social chaos, and people would gravitate toward the type of dictator who promises to ease the pain.
onlineanalyst on June 27, 2009 at 1:45 PM
right4life:
No one threatened you. You are paranoid. You said something very insulting to me for no good reason and all I said was that I doubted that if you were actually talking to me in person you would have the guts to say that.
And I meant it. I think you are one of those people who is emboldened by the anonymous nature of the internet…and that makes you more belligerent.
Terrye on June 27, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Obamanomics.
I remember an interview with Joe Pantoliano about the Sopranos. He said the most violent episode of that show in his opinion was not the murders or beatings, but when Tony and the boys dismantled the Ramsey Outdoor store when the owner got behind on gambling debts. The owner of the store was a former friend of Tony. When the owner asked why Tony did that to him, Tony got defensive about the victim/owner being a degenerate gambler (which he was) and then in a moment of clarity Tony admitted–”It is what I do.”
And you thought the Sopranos would only be back in reruns.
Mr. Joe on June 27, 2009 at 1:49 PM
LSU:
I am late in acknowledging this, but thank you. I agree.
Terrye on June 27, 2009 at 1:51 PM
And leaving the union is not an option. Most of the people who are particularly upset about the attacks on Federalism are also very patriotic people. I doubt they will want to go the way of the Confederates. I would rather fight for the union than abandon it. I am an American and I refuse to change that for anyone.
Terrye on June 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Why? To what end? They’ve already voted. It’s done. Reichert is my rep. I’m done with him, and will work to see he is defeated (but not by that moonbat, Burner)
Fed45 on June 27, 2009 at 2:05 PM
I think that is true, but it is still annoying as hell.
BTW, I got an email from Steele about the Cap and Trade thing, urging people to not support it. I would think he sent out millions of them. You could say it is not enough, but he has not be silent on the issue either.
Terrye on June 27, 2009 at 2:10 PM
It most certainly is. And it’s perfectly legal.
Patriotic is not the appropriate description. Most of these people are bound to the precepts as laid down by our Founders. If this nation throws those ideas away, then there is nothing left of this nation to be bound to. My love is for the bases and traditions of America – for the individualistic nation and the liberty it was built to protect. I am wed to the structure of the nation, not the land nor the name.
Huh?
That fight has been lost. This nation is toast. And the suicide of the federal government will drag all of the member states down the chasm with it. One would have to be insane, with a death wish, to stay in such relationship.
Does it all come down to a name for you? Does it come down to a piece of land?
Not for me. For me, it is the governance, and the ideas behind the governance, that make the big difference, and that governance has been totally flipped around. Almost all vestiges of America are now gone … and there will be no going back. No one is going to be able to place proper restrictions on voting (such as paying taxes for that level of government and being able to pass a basic civics test) and so, we are stuck with morons and leeches deciding on the future of this country.
American conservatives are devoted to a structure of government that secures and promotes the ideals, as explicated by the Founders. I have no desire to live in any country that is run by the collectivist philosophy and decides what is best for me. Without my individual liberties and private property rights, there is nothing for me to love or respect.
progressoverpeace on June 27, 2009 at 2:17 PM
America is not a patch of dirt, regardless of size. America is a free people living under the Constitution and rule of law. If certain states feel the need to imprison their people under a tyrannical lawless federal government, why must the others follow suit?
Secession is the final “nuclear” option in the checks and balances built into our republic system. That option is becoming more and more likely as this federal government becomes more and more lawless and fascist. A contract is broken when one party violates it, the contract between the states will be null and void if this legislation gets signed into law.
Rebar on June 27, 2009 at 2:17 PM
Leaving any “organization” is an option. In the mafia’s case you usually get killed if you leave. In the Mexican Mafia’s case you get beheaded if you leave. In the Iranian protesters case you get shot in the heart. What would our Federal Government do if say the Power companies in the State of Texas refuse to pay billions of dollars to the Feds? Billions of dollars that will only line the pockets of corrupt politicians? Would those same corrupt politicians use Radical Islam like methods to put us in line?
izoneguy on June 27, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Hey, good luck with that secession thingy. I’m sure that the People’s Republic of Redneckistan will be a huge success. Any thoughts to a flag? How about money? Might I suggest Dale Earnhardt for the $100 and Larry Craig for the $3 bills.
I see great things for you!
simplesimon on June 27, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Monopoly money will be worth more than the US dollar in the near future, so I’m not sure where you think you’re going with your joke.
progressoverpeace on June 27, 2009 at 2:43 PM
I am also one of the unfortunates ‘represented’ by It is a crying shame he beat Mannion. I have more respect for the little piles the chickens leave on my lawn than I do for murphy.
He is a complete Acorn loving, obama sycophanting, friend of Murtha, big spending, liberal piece of dogsqueeze. If it wereen’t for the decorum and rules of this forum, I could tell you how I really think.
I firmly believe that our one last hope is to put incredible pressure on dolts like REMF murphy. I’ve been arguing with our local GOP that murphy should have to wade through protestors every single time he goes out in public. He shouldn’t even be able to reach for the toilet paper in a public bathroom without having to push aside a couple of tea partiers. What I get is “Who will decorate our GOP float for the fourth of July Parade”.
Again, Obama won’t care if 10 million people march on washington. However if Murphy has peaceful but emphatic protests every time he shows his pasty face outside his office, we might have a chance. The local paper (not the philly paper but the Bucks COunty paper) will give some fair coverage. They covered the Washington Crossing Tea Party while the Philly Inquirer, kyw and the rest ignored over a thousand people.
Also, Tom Mannion was a great guy. However I don’t think he was able to compete against the pretty boy murphy supported by union thugs, acrorn and an adoring press. (Every manion sign in the district was slashed. I didn’t see any murphy signs missing). We need to start hammering this turd now and, at the same time, start campaigning a candidate who can beat this bozo.
bullseye on June 27, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Better start stocking up on the Slim Jims and bottling your urine then. No time to waste hanging out on teh internets.
simplesimon on June 27, 2009 at 2:46 PM
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