China doesn’t want Hummers
posted at 5:40 pm on June 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Perhaps the true death knell of the road hog Hummer has come when it’s even too embarrassing for the Chinese to manufacture. The once-popular gas guzzler had a certain amount of contrarian panache when enviros used it to paint America as an Earth-hating group of Moneybags. When gas prices shot out of sight, the Hummer suddenly became a white elephant for its owners — and its manufacturer:
A Chinese firm’s bid to buy the gas-guzzling Hummer car brand will be blocked on environmental grounds, according to Chinese state radio.
Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery emerged as the surprise buyer for the brand earlier this year.
But China National Radio said Hummer is at odds with the country’s planning agency’s attempts to decrease pollution from Chinese manufacturers.
The acquisition from General Motors would need Chinese regulatory approval.
The irony, of course, is that China just got done snubbing Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on climate-change cooperation. They told the US in no uncertain terms that they would not limit their ability to produce energy for the questionable tradeoff of adopting a scientific hypothesis that has lost ground in the last couple of years. Now they get a chance for a coup de grace by blocking this transaction on environmental grounds, leaving Obama holding the bag.
How much does GM stand to lose from the aborted sale? The BBC says $100 million, which at this point looks like a darned good deal. Certainly they will find few buyers in this market, when car sales have plummeted anyway and people have to prepare for years of stagflation as energy prices go up while the economy declines. With the 1970s fast approaching in the rear-view mirror, buyers won’t be looking for Hummers — even if Government Motors was allowed to produce them with Barack Obama as the not-so-silent partner to GM management.
The question for Obama and the rest of the auto industry task force is whether they can afford to let Hummer die outright, politically if not financially. With GM already closing plants and dealerships, even a weak-selling line would keep jobs in place for a transitional period. Without the cash infusion from the sale, GM will have to make even more cuts if it just shutters the line as it did with Pontiac. Would anyone else buy the Hummer line?
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WashJeff on June 26, 2009 at 5:44 PM
I don’t blame them – ugly, boxy over rated piece of junk.
Wyatt Wingfoot on June 26, 2009 at 5:45 PM
China wouldn’t want them on the open market so much as to have them accessible for their own military. They don’t have to buy the entire Hummer business, just order a fleet. And after Iraq, everyone knows that Hummers don’t do well for anything other than cross country that was all they were designed to do.
If GM really wants to sell of the Hummer, find a rich sheik. Where’s the Dubai interest when needed?
maverick muse on June 26, 2009 at 5:47 PM
It’s just a bone they are throwing at the tree huggers while the ramp up building coal fired factories.
Cindy Munford on June 26, 2009 at 5:47 PM
My GMC Yukon is so much prettier. Loves my Yukon. I am so pissed that GM is now Obama motors. I guess I am going to have to keep my 128,000 miles, 2003 Yukon running for a really long time. Then I guess I am going to have to learn to like Fords. I am afraid that Obama Motors will end up downsizing cars so dramatically that only little people will fit in them, not the normal sized overweight Americans. Can it get any worse? Yes it Can!!!
karenhasfreedom on June 26, 2009 at 5:48 PM
China wants to make their own cars.
China is not concerned about the environment.
bridgetown on June 26, 2009 at 5:48 PM
…even so, still profitable…but not for long.
right2bright on June 26, 2009 at 5:48 PM
“Smart” power getting out-smarted.
ICBM on June 26, 2009 at 5:48 PM
China could just turn in it’s IOU’s and demand the GM stock.
portlandon on June 26, 2009 at 5:48 PM
RECALL THE BAIL-OUTS!
Belligerent persistence.
maverick muse on June 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM
China: Whoops, we thought we were buying the military version. Nevermind.
WashJeff on June 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Common sense in China…not so much in the Democratic owned legislature. Sad…
brtex on June 26, 2009 at 5:50 PM
I loved that hummer so much but could never have afforded it
so I bought a jeep.
fourdeucer on June 26, 2009 at 5:52 PM
In other news, China has discovered a new, plentiful source of energy: converting oxygen molecules into methane and carbon dioxide. “This new and low cost energy will last a millenium” says energy director Xing Hoo Wah Ding.
Spiritk9 on June 26, 2009 at 5:53 PM
The Hummer is not the same as the HUMVEE, the US military vehicle. The chassis and power plant are Chevy dreck. The original Hummer, the H1, was the same. GM lost its license to produce it, somehow, after the first year of production.
sondiehl on June 26, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Oops. I forgot. The suspension is dreck, too.
sondiehl on June 26, 2009 at 5:54 PM
They could , but why they ask themselves.
the_nile on June 26, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Morrissey not all of us are “embarrassed” by or about the Hummer. It remains a very popular vehicle in certain areas. As long as fuel stays below $3.00-3.50 pg it will stay popular.
I’m happy about this. I hope U.S. investors will buy it, move the assembly plants south to right-to-work states and make an American success story out of it all. And I hope the same for Saturn, etc.
Morrissey, you always did strike me as a Prius type. White knuckles wrapped around the steering wheel. Now we know. DD
Darvin Dowdy on June 26, 2009 at 5:57 PM
What’s worth more Federal T-Bill’s or GM stock? A bucket of warm spit is not an option.
WashJeff on June 26, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Ha! There are big rides in China now – they just lumber around on 4 cylinders. O-hole thinks he can fool the Chinese. And yes, they do want to improve the air quality, they are a bit western in their attitudes for who’s gonna tell them “what for” and “how to.”
ericdijon on June 26, 2009 at 5:58 PM
Actually, The Chicoms don’t have to play political games for their people’s vote; so they play smart-power games with our self-declared geniuses. Much more fun for them while getting on with the serious work of becoming the #1 global superpower and staying there for another millenia. Meanwhile our “brainiacs” busy themselves with debasing our manifest destiny as a paen to Kumbahya.
AH_C on June 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM
OhDrama is certainly doing a fine job running his new car company. Kinda sucks when you can’t force something via threat of personal destruction or sending in your community organizers.
China to Obama “How does my ass taste?”
‘I won!!’
BigWyo on June 26, 2009 at 6:02 PM
I love my 2008 H3 Hummer.
It gets a better gas mileage than the POS Jeep Commander that I also own, and it’s absolutely great off the road.
I’ve knocked the hell out of it on my job, and it’s been superb.
Obama can suck on my tailpipe, that skinny fecal pellet.
TexasJew on June 26, 2009 at 6:02 PM
THIS JUST IN: China to close down all of their factories and coal burning power plants.
kregg on June 26, 2009 at 6:02 PM
You’ve stumbled onto the real reason it was blocked.
- The Cat
MirCat on June 26, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Add ‘wheeled wang extensions’ to that. Many Hummer owners seem to be compensating for lack of something…
Dark-Star on June 26, 2009 at 6:03 PM
TURN ON CSPAN
BOEHNER reading the bill 300 pg amendment PAGE BY PAGE.
explaining the regulation
awesome! he just smacked down waxman when he tried to interrupt
battleoflepanto1571 on June 26, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Seems a few have showed up already…..
BigWyo on June 26, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Guys, I’m watching Boehner on CSPAN right now, and you would not believe what is in the bill. He’s going page by page of the three hundred page amendment. In the amendment, the Energy Sec. has the authority to strike down any law or agreement or covenant that does not conform to this bill, all the way down to your home owners association!!! That’s right, the fool Energy sec, who didn’t know that oil was his job, is going to determine if your HOA is “legal”. The bill also forces every “town” “village” and “city” to hire full time enforcement officers, whether those towns can afford them or not. Guys, if this passes, it’s bad. I mean really really bad.
Weight of Glory on June 26, 2009 at 6:08 PM
They are both worthless. You’d atleast have a nice bucket to stand on to hang yourself when the creditor & government is at the door.
portlandon on June 26, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Boehner is making fun of the thing. Right now, he rocks.
BigWyo on June 26, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Hummer statistics. Cue up at 0:55
ericdijon on June 26, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Heh. Chinese companies may be interested in the H1, but not the H2 or H3. The original was and is a beast, the GM versions are more like a re-styled Yukon (H2) and Blazer (H3) …not that there’s anything inherently wrong with either…
Glad Waxman’s getting his little 300 page amendment aired – about time the gutless D.C. Repubs actually started playing hardball.
Mew
acat on June 26, 2009 at 6:16 PM
“A Chinese firm’s bid to buy the gas-guzzling Hummer car brand will be blocked on environmental grounds, according to Chinese state radio.”
English translation: “Car import tarrifs will be frowned upon”.
percysunshine on June 26, 2009 at 6:16 PM
They must have polled US consumers and asked them “would you ever buy a Chinese Hummer?”. They are smart enough to not get involved with a losing auto venture. They get to win some disingenuous greenie points while they are at it.
Buddahpundit on June 26, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Watching C-Span also. Peeing my pants laughing!
katy the mean old lady on June 26, 2009 at 6:18 PM
The Hummer is still a cool vehicle. The problem is during the 2000s it became a status symbol of poseurs, rappers and general assholes of the world. It’s like the Corvette. Great car, but I’d never buy one because of the stigma it has as a car driven by slimy dudes with small uhm personalities.
angryed on June 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Well, now we know what uniform flashes the Obama Youth are going to wear on their necks. Double Lightning Bolts, for Energy!
GunRunner on June 26, 2009 at 6:24 PM
You got that right! Freaking thugs!
Weight of Glory on June 26, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Boehner better hire some more security.
Can you imagine the the teeth gnashing going on at the White House right now???
HEH!!!
BigWyo on June 26, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Slight O/T:
This is GREAT!
House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) Right Now is reading sections of the 300 page amendment dropped on the House at 3:09 am this morning—-on c-span
The complete amendment was submitted by Waxman, the California Representative that has taken California’s “bureaucracy’s of insanity” (that has plumetted Cals economy into a 24 billion dollar HOLE), and now wants to make all these new government programs FEDERAL!
Go John, Go….I hope he keeps reading until every Democrat misses their planes……..
Rovin on June 26, 2009 at 6:27 PM
How very Freud of you. So i guess all the womenfolk what to date guys who drive honda fits then:)
Greed on June 26, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Cast, reel in, play out, reel in.
Caper29 on June 26, 2009 at 6:44 PM
To be fair there are other motives. Those with ‘bulldozer’ personalities also seem to like Hummers, as do yuppies with a superiority complex, some of whom can ill-afford their suburban assault vehicles.
Dark-Star on June 26, 2009 at 6:44 PM
I’ve seen one or two Hummers in my Shanghai neighborhood. That must be the cause of all this pollution we’ve got.
DarkCurrent on June 26, 2009 at 6:47 PM
I’m sure there’s a “Happy Ending” joke in here somewhere…
SuperCool on June 26, 2009 at 6:57 PM
They must have polled US consumers and asked them “would you ever buy a Chinese Hummer?”.
Buddahpundit on June 26, 2009 at 6:18 PM
If they polled THAT question, the answer would be an overwhelming YES!
If they asked “would you ever drive a Chinese Hummer?” The answer would be NO!
M-14 2go on June 26, 2009 at 7:03 PM
I don’t really understand all of this. Who in the world would want Hummers now? Why is it considered saleable?
It’s just a product line that has definitely no potential in the marketplace anymore. So why not shut it down?
Why would GM even hope to sell a dead product?
AnninCA on June 26, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Good for the Chinese regulators. Lucky escape for Chinese road users.
The environmental damage which I was concered about had this sale gone ahead was not air pollution, but rather blood stains and crushed and dismembered bodies all down the road when some arrogant Chinese businessman or regional official decides, in a state of extreme intoxication, to show the neighbourhood how fabulously wealthy and important he is.
YiZhangZhe on June 26, 2009 at 7:31 PM
My Wrangler eats Hummers.
JellyToast on June 26, 2009 at 7:36 PM
I think this is just the start…pretty soon this country is going to learn the HARD WAY that the rest of the world doesn’t need us…
see Zimbabwe for a peek at our future…
right4life on June 26, 2009 at 7:44 PM
We have Hummers in China already. They’ve been available for purchase to arrogant businessmen and regional officials for some time now. No big change there.
DarkCurrent on June 26, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Hummers were always nothing more than some ego-car. I couldn’t believe it when I started seeing them all over.
In my area, there’s an actual dealer. LOL*
Excuse me. I live where you can’t get to LA without slugging it out on the freeways. Like anyone in their right mind needs a Hummer for that?
*rolling eyes*
Stupid thinking on the part of GM to ever push this product line.
AnninCA on June 26, 2009 at 8:02 PM
They can only go to LA? No other possible destinations for free people from there?
DarkCurrent on June 26, 2009 at 8:10 PM
I though the Prius was an “ego car”. Nothing but an overgrown go kart that you might as well just add handles to it in an accident and use it as a coffin.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Forget Hummers, bring back the IH Scout and I’ll buy one today!
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Actually China wants to counterfeit popular western automobiles. Last year they were pumping out copies of the BMW X5 for $25,000 less.
kregg on June 26, 2009 at 8:20 PM
I want!
OldEnglish on June 26, 2009 at 8:23 PM
How many outside of license?
DarkCurrent on June 26, 2009 at 8:36 PM
The Chinese don’t want zee Hummer!
I’m shocked!
I guess they can’t make a buck off it!
canopfor on June 26, 2009 at 8:38 PM
I’m an American living in China for 3 1/2 years now
Summary of observations:
- Chinese are humans
- Chinese are mostly very poor
- Chinese are generally civilized
- Chinese want the best possible for their children
- Chinese who can afford to do so go to university
- Chinese don’t generally want to be very poor
- Chinese tend to study hard in real subjects
- Chinese tend to work hard in real jobs
Simple conclusion/recommendation: be prepared to compete
DarkCurrent on June 26, 2009 at 8:54 PM
If point three is correct, the Chinese have undergone a major shift in the evolutionary path.
The Mao mob were anything but civilized.
OldEnglish on June 26, 2009 at 9:08 PM
Yes, point three is an accurate generalization.
Haven’t you been to the Near North yet?
DarkCurrent on June 26, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Perhaps if we throw in a dead Michael Jackson on the deal.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 9:18 PM
My funniest joke in LA was all the SUV’s showing up with goofy stuff like front-end trash removers.
Like you’re going to encounter those on the 405 in LA. *haha
AnninCA on June 26, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Zee, are we now against profits here?
*haha
AnninCA on June 26, 2009 at 9:21 PM
Not to challenge your observations….but 20 years ago I heard the same thing about Japan and how we had better be prepared to get taken over. How did all those Japanese lessons turn out for everyone?
And weren’t the Russians going to eat us for lunch too?
angryed on June 26, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Jeff, you’re an a$shole
DarkCurrent on June 26, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Coming from a pedophile supporter, I thank you!
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Perhaps if we throw in the Congressional Black Caucus they’ll take the deal.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 9:28 PM
That’s good to hear. Now, if only they could throw off their Communist history.
I must admit, I’m still locked into the 1949 to 80s mode. I doubt that I’ll live long enough to shed it entirely.
OldEnglish on June 26, 2009 at 9:28 PM
China is no less civilised than anywhere in Europe … less developed yes, and having different values, but not less civilised.
As for Comrade Mao … he was especially offensive precisely because he was a fly in the ointment. The happenings of that era were the exception that proves the rule.
YiZhangZhe on June 26, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Sometimes I think I’m received as a blithering idiot when I point out the very fine qualities I have come to know from my Chinese associates. I know all the points you listed to be accurate. We certainly can append much more than that to the list, but I find few people here at HA willing to listen. If we stand alone screaming in the desert, who will hear us. The Chinese are very competitive and westerners cannot deal with the thought of a spirit of competition existing in a communistic land.
ericdijon on June 26, 2009 at 9:37 PM
I’ll bet it’s not because they’re worried about a baby chewing on it.
PaCadle on June 26, 2009 at 9:38 PM
I’m not saying China is going to take over the world.
I’m not saying China will take over the world. I strongly doubt it ever could.
I was living in Japan during the 80s ~ early 90s when most people were predicting the future was hers. I was a skeptic about that then. I’m even more a skeptic China will come anywhere near that in the coming century. Just keep her in mind as a potential competitor while remembering that Chinese are also human and have a natural desire for prosperity.
DarkCurrent on June 26, 2009 at 9:41 PM
I meant to put a wink after my comment, but thought it too obvious. Apparently not ;-)
DarkCurrent on June 26, 2009 at 9:45 PM
What’s cheaper? The lint in your pocket or that shot?
Follow the lead toy’s path back to it’s creator. The Chinese aren’t promoting their brands here, the western producer is promoting the product he has made in China. The Chinese follow the western specs but we don’t get that crucial piece of the story as it would take the blame away from the Chinese and place it on domestic soil. I’m not saying the Chinese are judgement proof, but always look further into the story.
ericdijon on June 26, 2009 at 9:47 PM
And, which founded the current regime. As long as that exists, the skeleton still rattles.
OldEnglish on June 26, 2009 at 9:48 PM
When you say the Chinese are you saying the government and elite or the people? I submit the “people”, have nothing to compete for.
PaCadle on June 26, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Good point
PaCadle on June 26, 2009 at 9:52 PM
But the “people” do compete. They compete for jobs, just like we do. They price compare and evaluate quality, just like we do. If they can put two wheels on something it is considered a truck for hire. They live within their means but aspire to always do better.
ericdijon on June 26, 2009 at 10:01 PM
The week before last I was watching the History Channel on my (theoretically illegal) satellite dish. There was a program about Mao. It covered mostly the post-revolutionary period, including the ‘Great Leap Forward’, ‘Cultural Revolution’, etc. I called my son in to watch. He’s been in China 3 years so is familiar with day-to-day life here today. I called my wife in to check it out too. She was one of the educated city kids sent off to work on farms.
‘Yes, that’s just how it was!’
‘Everybody went insane!’
My son was shocked, but learned a lot about what his mom had been through.
DarkCurrent on June 26, 2009 at 10:04 PM
I’d like to take you for a walk through my neighborhood. They compete, strongly.
DarkCurrent on June 26, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Hummers are the quintessence of the essence of macho US men and women. I was at a Cadillac/Hummer dealer not three days ago and an employee walked right by me when searching for the owner of a Hummer. I asked my daughter how the guy knew that I didn’t have a Hummer and she replied that it had something to do with testosterone. I beat her to a pulp when we got home. Well, Ok she beat me.
Jeep had to redesign their 4wd system to try to match it. That Japanese copy is so pathetic nobody this side of a Gap store would be caught dead in it and Range Rover would have lost the real 4wd market but they haven’t had it for years. They are the most pathetic of the lot with trying to turn their box into a hot rod. Check the quality of Land Rovers with JD Powers. They actually had 10X the problems of the better makes the last time I looked.
The guy who made a “dreck” remark probably drives a KIA.
IlikedAUH2O on June 26, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Obviously there is some continuity, because everything and everybody, including Comrade Mao, in someway rests on who and what went before.
However, I perceive that in the western nations there is a very common arrogance that tends to presume that all things Occidental are superior to things Oriental, and that the USA or the EU or some Western activism groups are the best source of wisdom for governance and morality. Given the present rapid rate of moral and social decay throughout the west it is hard to understand how this belief could subsist so perhaps I am wrong.
Furthermore it seems that many western people assume (it is never stated) that countries like China have learned nothing of value about governance in the past 4000 years. There seems to be an assumption that the Chinese people don’t have some good idea about how their own country best operates.
What Chinese people expect from their government is not the same as what many non-Chinese people seem to think Chinese people should want from their government.
Although there are many problems, most Chinese people are, generally, quite happy with their government. That’s not the popular western narrative but which journalist, evangelist or political activist would ever try to make a career out of happy, contented people?
YiZhangZhe on June 26, 2009 at 10:23 PM
These shoppers, “truckers”, and job competitors live in their own world. Most sympathetic Americans who try to rationalize the Chinese society have, in their usual government experience, dealt with elitist Chinese who have done well…. wait, where did they start from?? Certainly not at the market (they have their servants), not at the auto shop (they have chauffers) and they certainly didn’t compete for their positions; they had to have been born in to their destinies. Those shoppers, truckers and job seekers, who very few Westerners live and deal with, are in their own frozen world, forever.
PaCadle on June 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM
The “people” of China would be extremely surprised to learn this.
Chinese society is intensely competitive and Chinese people compete for the same things that people compete for in any other nation:
Work, goods, education, money, lovers, education, spouses, houses, education, opportunities, health-care. Did I mention education?
China is not a listless society.
YiZhangZhe on June 26, 2009 at 10:29 PM
I understand. Wonderful, energetic, competitive and clever folks. But their competition is among themselves. Can they run for office? Can they demand an audience with an elected rep and present him/her with a list of demands? If they compete well enough can they run for a position and replace someone in the government?
PaCadle on June 26, 2009 at 10:39 PM
When I said they had nothing to compete for, a better choice of words would have been they have limitations on what they can compete for.
PaCadle on June 26, 2009 at 10:43 PM
How do you come to know the Chinese the way that you describe them? I know them because I work with them daily. I travel with them in their country. I meet with the meek and the elite. I endure the Government. I do not know the China you describe as the China of today.
ericdijon on June 26, 2009 at 10:52 PM
While I cannot argue any of your points, I do think it’s a shame that the China of old is no more. Where are the individual scholars, scientists, philosophers, inventors, and wise men of old? Perhaps I live in a time bubble, yearning for a world that existed only in my childhood books.
As for Europe, it was destroyed by two world wars – and its aftermath of Socialism. I agree that Europe, in particular, has no right to look down on other cultures, they have abandoned their own, and replaced it with this “one size fits all” mentality.
OldEnglish on June 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM
- Can they run for office? : Yes, with limitations
- Can they demand an audience with an elected rep and present him/her with a list of demands? : Yes
- If they compete well enough can they run for a position and replace someone in the government? : Yes (with limitations)
Chinese periodically restructure their government. They’ve done it before many times, will again. But as YiZhangZhe observes, there is no particular pressure to do so today.
DarkCurrent on June 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM
I will only admit to living in Asia 10 years. I admire your experience and knowledge. But where am I wrong on the basic assumption that China is still a Communist nation. Are the barriers between the people and the leaders gone? I’m not sure you have done anything but say I’m wrong but you haven’t said where. Could the Stockholm syndrome have migrated there? Thanks for the spirited discussion and good evening.
PaCadle on June 26, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Thank you for sharing that. It’s always best to get it straight from source.
OldEnglish on June 26, 2009 at 11:08 PM
I don’t say you are wrong as China is a communist nation. I redirect back to DarkCurrent on June 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM post. I feel time has changed the China you know. I’m speaking about a very exciting time in China that is evolving today. I’m glad I know you speak from your heart rather than from headlines.
ericdijon on June 26, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Yes. The process will be different to the process in a European democracy but of course it is possible. Not everybody has equal opportunities, but that is true of all nations. Even in egalitarian democracies some people are “more equal than others”.
I have a lot of sympathy concerning that time-bubble but a lot of what has gone was horrible and the books never told the whole truth. If nothing else, the adoption of the flushing toilet and sewage processing plants should be celebrated.
Also, where is the Europe of my childhood books? Nowhere to be found. The whole world is suffering from a plague of uniformity and conformity as technology reduces the physical and geographic barriers between communities. The invention of the ‘Limited Company’ has allowed groups to form that can outlive any mortal and which accumulate assets and use them in ways that effectively exclude most eccentric geniuses from the game.
YiZhangZhe on June 26, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Again, no arguments. I, too, mourn the loss of my England.
OldEnglish on June 26, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Should have jumped to :55 as you suggested. Stopped watching when he food drunk kids funny.
Zaire67 on June 27, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Out of curiosity:
Some may know that GM sold the Saturn line to another owner, Penske. Will you be buying their cars, if not GM’s current products under Obama?
AND…I don’t know if you’ll buy Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep, but, if Fiat comes back to the US, will you buy the current products under their badge? My parents recently rented a Fiat Punto, and found it worked like a charm. I don’t know about their products of yore, but since the mid-90s, they’ve improved considerably. In fact, I recommend you also take a look at the Fiat Multipla and Fiat Ducato-Maxi.
Avi Green on June 27, 2009 at 4:08 PM
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