Cap and trade vote today, complete with AP spin; Update: 300-page, last-minute amendment; Update: Greenpeace opposes

posted at 8:46 am on June 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

In pre-Norman England, King Canute once had his bearers carry him to the sea, where he ordered the ocean to recede.  Often this story is told to indict Canute for having delusions of grandeur, but historians usually agree that Canute intended to teach a lesson to his court, whose profuse flattery had annoyed the king to distraction.  Why does Canute come to mind today?  For some reason, I thought of it when I read the AP’s lead to their coverage of the cap-and-trade bill coming to the House floor for a vote:

A handful of undecided Democrats hold the key to whether the House will confront global warming and begin a shift away from fossil fuels to cleaner sources of energy.

Well, that’s not biased coverage at all, is it?  “Whether the House will confront global warming” implies that all debate has ceased on the subject, while in truth it has intensified.  Kim Strassel notes the increasing skepticism in today’s Wall Street Journal:

Among the many reasons President Barack Obama and the Democratic majority are so intent on quickly jamming a cap-and-trade system through Congress is because the global warming tide is again shifting. It turns out Al Gore and the United Nations (with an assist from the media), did a little too vociferous a job smearing anyone who disagreed with them as “deniers.” The backlash has brought the scientific debate roaring back to life in Australia, Europe, Japan and even, if less reported, the U.S.

In April, the Polish Academy of Sciences published a document challenging man-made global warming. In the Czech Republic, where President Vaclav Klaus remains a leading skeptic, today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role. In France, President Nicolas Sarkozy wants to tap Claude Allegre to lead the country’s new ministry of industry and innovation. Twenty years ago Mr. Allegre was among the first to trill about man-made global warming, but the geochemist has since recanted. New Zealand last year elected a new government, which immediately suspended the country’s weeks-old cap-and-trade program.

The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. — 13 times the number who authored the U.N.’s 2007 climate summary for policymakers. Joanne Simpson, the world’s first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak “frankly” of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming “the worst scientific scandal in history.” Norway’s Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the “new religion.” A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton’s Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists’ open letter.)

The collapse of the “consensus” has been driven by reality. The inconvenient truth is that the earth’s temperatures have flat-lined since 2001, despite growing concentrations of C02. Peer-reviewed research has debunked doomsday scenarios about the polar ice caps, hurricanes, malaria, extinctions, rising oceans. A global financial crisis has politicians taking a harder look at the science that would require them to hamstring their economies to rein in carbon.

Of course, the AP reports on this as part of its coverage, too.  This comes in paragarph … er … oh, wait, it doesn’t appear at all.  The AP does report on opposition to the bill on its fiscal insanity, but waters that down considerably:

Everyone agrees that under this “cap-and-trade” system the cost of energy is expected to increase as electricity producers and industrial plants pay for increased efficiency, move toward greater use of renewable energy, pay for ways to capture carbon emissions or purchase pollution allowances.

They disagree, however, on how much of the added cost would be passed onto consumers. Democrats argue that much of the cost increase could be offset by other provisions in the bill.

All of the increase will get passed to consumers.  Democrats hope to buffer that through targeted subsidies, but the AP neglects to mention that mechanism — because that money also comes from consumers.  Business costs always get passed to the purchaser in the form of higher prices, and anyone who argues that they don’t either have no understanding of business and pricing or has a desire to sell snake oil to the gullible.

Cap-and-trade is a tax, one imposed through an artificial scarcity model onto an industry that drives the economy.  The AP reports the CBO and EPA cost estimates without mentioning that those predictions only cover the actual mechanical costs of cap-and-trade.  They do not predict the economic impact on American families from the loss of economic power as energy becomes more scarce and expensive.  This bill will lose the US 2.5% of its GDP each and every year in the years after the first decade of implementation.

King Canute knew better than to believe his advisers when they told him that he was powerful enough to affect ocean levels.  Unfortunately, this administration and the Democratic Party don’t have the sense Canute did.

Call your Representative today to tell them not to strangle the American economy.  Michelle has the numbers and names to call.

Update: Before today, the bill ran a little over 1,000 pages.  Early this morning, Waxman dropped a 300-page amendment into it.  Be sure to ask your Representatives if they plan to read either of these before voting on the bill. (via Mary Katharine Ham)

Update II: Greenpeace has come out in opposition to Waxman-Markey, too.  However, conservatives should temper their enthusiasm:

“Since the Waxman-Markey bill left the Energy and Commerce committee, yet another fleet of industry lobbysists has weakened the bill even more, and further widened the gap between what Waxman-Markey does and what science demands. As a result, Greenpeace opposes this bill in its current form. We are calling upon Congress to vote against this bill unless substantial measures are taken to strengthen it. Despite President Obama’s assurance that he would enact strong, science-based legislation, we are now watching him put his full support behind a bill that chooses politics over science, elevates industry interests over national interest, and shows the significant limitations of what this Congress believes is possible.

“As it comes to the floor, the Waxman-Markey bill sets emission reduction targets far lower than science demands, then undermines even those targets with massive offsets. The giveaways and preferences in the bill will actually spur a new generation of nuclear and coal-fired power plants to the detriment of real energy solutions. To support such a bill is to abandon the real leadership that is called for at this pivotal moment in history.  We simply no longer have the time for legislation this weak. “

In other words, Greenpeace is angry that it doesn’t get more confiscatory and economically suicidal.  It makes Waxman-Markey look moderate, which is a bigger problem than a boon for conservatives.


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Well, if you guys pass this Bill, I can continue to use my six room air conditioners to the full without killing the planet. Ta very much.

OldEnglish on June 26, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Ok, if (more likely when) this passes, how bad will the bloodbath be for those who voted “yea” in 2010?

25% 50% 75% ?????

Yakko77 on June 26, 2009 at 1:29 PM

In other words, Greenpeace is angry that it doesn’t get more confiscatory and economically suicidal. It makes Waxman-Markey look moderate, which is a bigger problem than a boon for conservatives.

That’s just Greenpeace playing their role. They have been assigned to provide resistance from the other end of the spectrum so that Democrats can claim attacks from either end. It’s just teamplay that’s all.

True_King on June 26, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Called my Rep., David Scott (D – GA 13). Tried DC office first, and got a message that said his office is closed. Called the local Smyrna, GA number and the staffer said that Congressman Scott hasn’t decided yet how to vote on the bill. I said I would like to ask him to vote no on he Energy Bill and that if he votes yes, I think the residents of GA 13 will find that we can’t afford Congressman Scott. He got angry and said, “Ma’am, don’t threaten him.” I said that’s not a threat–we are middle class people and we can’t afford a $2000-$3000 annual energy tax.

If you live in the GA 13th District, call David Scott. Could make a difference – DC (202) 225-2939; Smyrna, GA Office (770) 432-5405.

reallyfive on June 26, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Henry “Nostrils” Waxman is an idiot, pure and simple.

pilamaye on June 26, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Here’s some lies I just pulled off Yahoo:

The bill contains provisions to protect consumers, keep costs low, help sensitive industries transition to a clean energy economy and promote domestic emission reduction efforts,” the White House in a statement of support for the legislation.

Can I have fries with that cr@p sandwich?

brdchris1 on June 26, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Somebody needs to start keeping track of how many people die directly and indirectly as a result of these liberal dream laws. I’m betting hundreds of thousands at least by 2020.

eschatus on June 26, 2009 at 1:36 PM

reallyfive on June 26, 2009 at 1:31 PM

You don’t have to be in his district. I called and said “vote NO” and if not there might be a blood bath in 2010 and just hung up.
I’ve made several calls and not one has asked for my address. I wish we could shut down the switch board at the capital. It’s busy and I can’t get through, but if we all call we can do it.

Bambi on June 26, 2009 at 1:37 PM

If this passes, I can’t wait to see what the US economy will look like by 2012.

Obama seems destined be a one termer like Jimmy Carter. Then he can do what he really loves. That is to fly around the world (leaving Massive Carbon Footprints) and give lots of speeches emitting even more hot air.

See only the little people have to abide by carbon emission standards. The One is so above it all. As is Al Gore.

sarahpalinfan99 on June 26, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Bambi on June 26, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Yes,I agree, thank you, Bambi. Congressman David Scott is typically a reliable liberal vote, so if he is undecided, then anyone who is willing to call should please call, even if outside of his district. My little area of GA 13 (Smyrna, GA) used to be part of Newt’s district (and Congressman Phil Gingrey – R), but we got redistricted into a very funny shaped district and a good portion of Congressman Scott’s district is poor and minority and those folks are the ones who will be hurt the most if this bill actually gets signed into law.

reallyfive on June 26, 2009 at 1:43 PM

All of the increase will get passed to consumers. Democrats hope to buffer that through targeted subsidies, but the AP neglects to mention that mechanism — because that money also comes from consumers. Business costs always get passed to the purchaser in the form of higher prices, and anyone who argues that they don’t either have no understanding of business and pricing or has a desire to sell snake oil to the gullible.

Yes. Anyone who claims that businesses can be taxed without causing higher prices should be relentlessly ridiculed.

tom on June 26, 2009 at 1:45 PM

lorien1973 on June 26, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Keeping just to economics, I believe the combination of Obama’s Porkulus, Cap and Trade, Healthcare, TARP management, increased regulations, and tax policies are going to at best promote an extremely slow recovery, and at worst a deeper and longer recession with inflation. The vast debt we are accruing will also severely restrict our future spending options while making us dangerously dependent on foreign creditors.

I understand your pessimism and often share it. Social conservatives who favor big government do not solve these economic problems, but worsen them. Fiscal conservatives who are social libertarians are at odds with the social conservatives. Defense hawks aren’t necessarily fiscal hawks. And there are many groups among Obama’s opponents who seem not just in disagreement, but very intolerant of one another.

So, what am I to do? Give up? No. I’m going to keep looking and asking for what I want: a new Reaganism.

Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 1:47 PM

izoneguy – we had that election last November. Didn’t work then and won’t work in 2010. The electorate is essentially brain dead. It’s not going to change just because of this. Most will still believe that the ONE is going to lead them out of their misery. Conservatives will never again get 50% +1 as long as the MSM is dead set against in Orwell was right, Ellison was right, and even to a degree Asimov was right. We have turned into a nation of mice, unread, unlettered, and well on our way to being unwashed. I truly think it is too late.

georgeofthedesert on June 26, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Waxman: “Bwa-hahaha. What an evil genius I am! I’ll push this bill through today while all the morons who vote for the likes of me are completely absorbed by the Michael Jackson story.”

P.S. Do you photoshop him to look worse than he really does? That picture is quite unnerving.

PoodleSkirt on June 26, 2009 at 1:56 PM

If these idiots in congress thought this is real, they would fast track the mini-nuc-lee-ar power plants. Put these thing around towns and you may be able get rid of electrical grid.

It amazes me that we got to the point where you have a web-site that is pitching a nuc reactor where you can download a brochure just like any other product. THe site I referenced is only missing a “shopping cart” button.

WashJeff on June 26, 2009 at 2:00 PM

georgeofthedesert on June 26, 2009 at 1:54 PM

I sometimes refer to the 2008 election as the day that democracy failed the republic.

Never before has the ballot box so failed this nation. I can only hope and pray it doesn’t come to relying on the cartridge box to undo the damage.

Yakko77 on June 26, 2009 at 2:03 PM

If this passes, I can’t wait to see what the US economy will look like by 2012.

Obama seems destined be a one termer like Jimmy Carter. Then he can do what he really loves. That is to fly around the world (leaving Massive Carbon Footprints) and give lots of speeches emitting even more hot air.

See only the little people have to abide by carbon emission standards. The One is so above it all. As is Al Gore.

sarahpalinfan99 on June 26, 2009 at 1:39 PM

There won’t be a US economy. Things will get so bad that Obama will impose martial law and we go the way of Iran. Lock & Load.

izoneguy on June 26, 2009 at 2:03 PM

I truly think it is too late.

georgeofthedesert on June 26, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Yes, in some part of the US yes it is too late.
We will not let the flesh eating bacteria kill us all.
We will chop off whatever is necessary to survive.

izoneguy on June 26, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Lets Hope
It’s being pulled

Brat4life on June 26, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Brat4life on June 26, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Oh Dear Lord Please let that be true!

elduende on June 26, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Lets Hope
It’s being pulled

Brat4life on June 26, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Fingers crossed. Need this at least delay after the June employment number come out. Need to also keep all GOP member s on the no side. If this passes ever, the Dems need to own this.

WashJeff on June 26, 2009 at 2:10 PM

WashJeff on June 26, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Exactly right. The delay is critical. Fingers crossed here too…

Missy on June 26, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Update: 206 Yes, 211 No, 17 Undecided – 5:00pm vote

The following are the undecided members to target:

Kirkpatrick Az, Change: Boyd Fla now YES, Brown Fla, Change: Bishop Ga now leaning NO, R Kirk Ill, Foster Ill, Donnelly Ind, R Jones NC, McIntyre NC, R Frelinghuysen NJ, Tonko NY, Arcuri NY, Change: Boccieri Ohio, Space Ohio (he voted for it in committee), Carney Penna, Change Davis Tenn now NO, Al Green Tex, Jackson Lee Tex, Eddie Bernice Johnson Tex, Kind Wisc

Kirkpatrick is my rep. From her campaign website:

Getting Our Economy Moving Again

We must take immediate action to jumpstart our economy by lowering the price of basic necessities like gas and groceries, making health care more affordable, and investing in our critical infrastructure and renewable energy sources to create good-paying jobs for Arizona.

Relieving the Burden on the Middle Class

Arizona’s middle class families are getting squeezed by a tax system tilted against them. I support permanent tax cuts for 86 million American families.

Easing the Pain at the Pump

I support taking immediate action to give Arizona’s families relief from skyrocketing gas prices. We need a new, comprehensive energy strategy that includes drilling for American oil.

Right now, oil companies have more than 68 million acres of public land already available to be drilled. That’s an area the size of the state of Colorado, and contains 81% of the public oil and gas reserves in the United States. If oil companies began drilling on these 68 million acres today, they would nearly double U.S. oil production and cut oil imports from overseas by one-third.

I support drilling in new offshore regions as long as we guarantee that every drop of oil stays in the United States and is not shipped off to China.

I reminded her of her promises, and told her how HR 2454 would do none of those.

Rae on June 26, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Rae on June 26, 2009 at 2:18 PM

That means we only need to swing 8 of the 17 to our side.

elduende on June 26, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Update: New Vote Changes

Bishop Ga now Leaning YES

Scott Ga from Leaning YES to NO

Boswell Iowa from Yes to Leaning NO

Bean Ill from YES to Leaning YES

Ehlers Mich from Leaning YES to YES

Walz Minn from YES to Leaning YES

Massa NY from Undecided to Leaning NO

Kilroy Ohio from Yes to Leaning YES

Cooper Tenn from YES to Leaning YES

Ortiz Tex from Undecided to Leaning NO

Johnson (Eddie Bernice) Tex from Undecided to YES

Jackson Lee Tex from Undecided to YES

Rae on June 26, 2009 at 2:26 PM

They need to name this bill something more appropriate like the “make more people homeless” or “job reduction” or “China Stimulus” bill.

TrickyDick on June 26, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Why is there a photograph of a rodent wearing a suit, heading this story?

Did Mickey Mouse come to life?

NoDonkey on June 26, 2009 at 2:31 PM

BULLSHIT..
Climate change is a scam
i WILL NOT Obey these laws passed by these whores in congress

Period i have had enough ..

Its time for a REVOLT..
When our ENTIRE congress resembles a bunch
of Drug addicted Prostitutes
Its time to CLEAN HOUSE

http://www.veteranoutrage.com

Throw them all out and we start complete Disobediance

veteranoutrage on June 26, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Will someone please tell Waxface to take off his false nose and glasses?

CynicalOptimist on June 26, 2009 at 2:49 PM

They want to legislate a permanent recession.”

If they do pass it, there’s always this:

Cap and Trade = Iraq War?

Rae on June 26, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Central Florida

Rep. Alan Grayson
(202) 225-2176

Just called and got right thru.

Purple Fury on June 26, 2009 at 3:02 PM

American Power tracked-back with, “Cap and Trade Follies”:

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/cap-and-trade-follies.html

Donald Douglas on June 26, 2009 at 3:04 PM

NY 29th District

(Monroe, Ontario, Yates, Schuyler, Chemung, Steuben, Allegany, Cattaraugus)

Eric Massa
202-225-3161

Very quick and easy…

Upstater85 on June 26, 2009 at 3:07 PM

They need to name this bill something more appropriate like the “make more people homeless” or “job reduction” or “China Stimulus” bill.

TrickyDick on June 26, 2009 at 2:27 PM

I call it the “Destroy American Society” bill. We will be forced to drastically change all aspects of our lifestyles. The bill will crush the spirt of the citizens with overwhelming governmental intrusions and outrages costs. And it is the American spirit that makes us the “shining city upon a hill”. .
.
The question is what happens when there is no city on the hill?

JeffVader on June 26, 2009 at 3:09 PM

I hope a strong cap and trade bill passes and the result is excruciating price increases on consumers.

Will make the job of reclaiming the White House that much easier for Conservatives and President Palin will be hailed as the greatest President ever when she repeals this crap.

MAKE MY DAY BAMBI AND DEMOCRATS!

P.S.> During the campaign – Ogabe talked about the fact that you “can put lipstick on a pig – it’s still a pig”. But in fact – he didn’t learn much from saying that – his entire tenure so far has been about putting lipstick on “pig policies” and trying to pass them off as beauty queens. Won’t work Bams.

HondaV65 on June 26, 2009 at 3:21 PM

I hope a strong cap and trade bill passes and the result is excruciating price increases on consumers.

HondaV65 on June 26, 2009 at 3:21 PM

I hope not.

I don’t want harm to come to my country just so I can be proven right and then come to rescue to rebuild it. I’d rather my country was left intact…. an unlikely thing to be hoping for to be sure but one can hope this fails.

Yakko77 on June 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Back in January Dave Barge had this pegged.

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2009/01/page/8/

davo on June 26, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Called my Congressman: John Lewis, of the 5th Congressional District in Georgia. His staffer told me that they haven’t yet received Lewis’ position on the bill, but that they are taking comments. I made my comment (a polite version of “FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON’T DO IT!!!!”) and the guy took my name and zip code. I hope there are others from my district speaking up!

Animator Girl on June 26, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Update: Cap-and-Trade Vote Count: 210-210, 14 Undecided

That’s right. We are hearing 210 – 210 with 14 undecided. Keep calling the swtichboard 202-224-3121 and emailing through here to ensure your message gets heard!

Remember: Over the 2012-2035 timeline, job losses average over 1.1 million. By 2035, a projected 2.5 million jobs are lost below the baseline (without a cap and trade bill). Particularly hit hard are sectors of the economy that are very energy-intensive: Manufacturers, farmers, construction, machinery, electrical equipment and appliances, transportation, textiles, paper products, chemicals, plastics and rubbers, and retail trade would face staggering employment losses as a result of Waxman-Markey.

Rae on June 26, 2009 at 3:58 PM

I don’t believe any of them are undecided. They are afraid to let us know ahead of the actual vote.
Called my rep, Hinojosa TX-15 and was told he was undecided. I asked why he voted yes earlier today if he was undecided and asked if he read the additional 300 pages and how it would devastate his district. His office said he had people doing the research for him and he would vote for what was best for the district. I told them if he wanted to do what’s best for his district, he must vote NO.
Don’t think they cared one bit. His seat is as safe at Pelosi’s.
Sheila Jackson Lee is now listed as a Yes vote. They must be putting the pressure on her even more than they did during the primary when she supported Clinton.

lonestar1 on June 26, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Update: Cap-and-Trade Vote Count: 210-210, 14 Undecided

Rae on June 26, 2009 at 3:58 PM

So there’s going to be another round of Pork and Trade.

Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 4:03 PM

I sense a disturbance in the Force.

I got a bad feeling about this.

Yakko77 on June 26, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Rep from Texas is trying to get the 300 extra pages. The chair says they are not responsible for distributing the copies. Other rep from Texas wants to know where there is a copy of the 300 pages that they can read. There isn’t! What a joke this legislature is. VOTE NO, VOTE NO, VOTE NO…..

Bambi on June 26, 2009 at 4:06 PM

can someone just please ram a pair of scissors through my ear already… pretty please? cherry on top?

moonbatkiller on June 26, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Dear God, if there is any sanity left in this nations govt… please let it be “nay’.

Yakko77 on June 26, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Gosh, I hope you are all watching CSpan. What a bunch of jerks! The dems want this bill passed even if no one can find the extra 300 pages.

Bambi on June 26, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I have no words for how wrong this is.

jjraines on June 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Gosh, I hope you are all watching CSpan. What a bunch of jerks! The dems want this bill passed even if no one can find the extra 300 pages.

Bambi on June 26, 2009 at 4:21 PM

How is it this is allowed to continue with our govt whereas if this happened in any other company/corporation they’d be shut down, bankrupt and in prison for corruption.

Everything about how this govt “functions” defies common sense, morality, justice, ethics, etc. etc.

Yakko77 on June 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Henry “ratface” Waxman is an idiot, pure and simple.

la.rt.wngr on June 26, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Dear God, if there is any sanity left in this nations govt… please let it be “nay’.

Yakko77 on June 26, 2009 at 4:07 PM

I will be SHOCKED if they don’t pass it. Obama and his Dems will use every bribe, blackmail, and bullying trick in the book to get the votes needed.

Daggett on June 26, 2009 at 4:24 PM

How do they even BEGIN to get away with this? This should cause a revolt even among people who are leaning toward voting yes.

Missy on June 26, 2009 at 4:25 PM

NEVER,EVER, EVER put a pic of Waxman on this site again. For the love of God, people, I and I’m sure many others have weak stomachs and there may be children out there.

That man is the butt-ugliest thing I have seen in my life. My eyeeeeeees. My eyeeeeeees.

PS: His bill stinks, too.

nocomme1 on June 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Gee California, you must be so proud of your congressman/senators – waxman, palosi, boxer (I worked hard for this title, but the
Brigadier General doesn’t)waters (?) and too many I can’t think of right away, because I’m so angry at these people.
Good heavens Texas think of separating and I’m buying land in your state.

Bambi on June 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Bambi on June 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Hurry up! its going fast. You know we don’t invite many folks but your welcome.

P.S. Bring ammo :)

HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Good heavens Texas think of separating and I’m buying land in your state.

Bambi on June 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Whoever secedes first, that’s where I’m going to live.

Daggett on June 26, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Mr. Waxman reminds me of a mouse. Anyone else?

We’ve been watching the debate on C-SPAN. I was pretty proud of some of the Repub’s. I’m hoping they can carry the day.

Hoosier on June 26, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Good heavens Texas think of separating and I’m buying land in your state.

Bambi on June 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Whoever secedes first, that’s where I’m going to live.

Daggett on June 26, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Awesome, all I’d have to do would be to move home. :) In all seriousness, though, succession isn’t a viable option considering how easy it would be to blockade the Gulf. Then again, Texas would control the rest of the country’s oil resources…. Generally, I think it’s a premature idea. Arming ourselves, however, is timely, not premature at all.

Animator Girl on June 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Crap and Trade. The Native Alaskans who have to heat their homes with $10 a gal. heating fuel will be screwed.

tbear44 on June 26, 2009 at 4:58 PM

This is clear and present treason… This Bill will destroy American Prosperity. Not one of the peopl voting on this bill has even read it… They did not read the Stimulus Bil;l either and it has been a horrific failure…

Our government is failing the people and destorying prosperity for the sake of appeasing the Far Left Marxist-Socialist Agenda.

The people will not forget this. EVER.

janss36 on June 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Watching this on C-Span, Republicans seem very weak…I am sick, sick..Senate the only hope ….

Lois Grobb on June 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM

so where are we at here? has voting begun? what’s the score, is it over? I’m at work and I don’t know what’s happening.
work with me people!

exceller on June 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Lois:

At least the Republicans voted no, everyone of them.

Terrye on June 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Watching this on C-Span, Republicans seem very weak…I am sick, sick..Senate the only hope ….

Lois Grobb on June 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Politicians of all kinds cannot resist tax revenues, especially when they think they’re hidden.

Daggett on June 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

How is it this is allowed to continue with our govt …

Yakko77 on June 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Because the idiots who go to voting booths keep putting the idiots in office. Simple.

ddrintn on June 26, 2009 at 5:20 PM

And where is everybody ?? Terrye, I think that was just the early vote, and now they’re set for the final House vote….and weren’t some Republicans supposed to be on the fence ?

Lois Grobb on June 26, 2009 at 5:23 PM

update from Michelle Malkin’s website:

5:17pm: Connie Hair reports from top GOP sources that Dems have pulled Patrick Kennedy out of rehab to vote.

Yes, it’s that close.

reallyfive on June 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM

so where are we at here? has voting begun? what’s the score, is it over? I’m at work and I don’t know what’s happening.
work with me people!

exceller on June 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

No voting going on yet

Brat4life on June 26, 2009 at 5:25 PM

exceller on June 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Seems to me this thing was supposed to be voted on about 15 minutes ago or so, but they are literally horse-trading on the floor of the House trying to get enough votes (i.e. we’ll vote for that little bridge in your district if you’ll just vote yes on this). Seems also however that phones are melting down because the only way to get through to any of the fence sitters is to get a FAX number for their in-district office–none of the ones to the capitol (fax or phone) work.

Keep calling, people!

UnderstandingisPower on June 26, 2009 at 5:27 PM

OH, and there appears to be no hard copy of the bill present–just the clerk trying to insert the 300-pages in the right place, and them putting a “placeholder” in so they can add more to the bill AFTER it’s been voted on.

UnderstandingisPower on June 26, 2009 at 5:29 PM

I read on another blog that they passed this already 217-205 is this true?

El_Terrible on June 26, 2009 at 5:29 PM

No. on the passed this 217 thing. First they apparently need 218 votes to pass it, and that was their “trial vote” to see where they stood. That was HOURS ago… literally.

UnderstandingisPower on June 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM

them putting a “placeholder” in so they can add more to the bill AFTER it’s been voted on.

UnderstandingisPower on June 26, 2009 at 5:29 PM

How is that even legal? Doesn’t that mean the bill could pass and then they could insert a passage that says everyone whose name ends in the letter ‘e’ must be executed? Why bother voting on ANY bills. Just vote on a blank sheet of paper and fill it in after it passes.

Daggett on June 26, 2009 at 5:33 PM

I just popped up to the store, there are two McCain/Palin signs in the median that were not there last night. Odd.

Cindy Munford on June 26, 2009 at 5:36 PM

I just popped up to the store, there are two McCain/Palin signs in the median that were not there last night. Odd.

Cindy Munford on June 26, 2009 at 5:36 PM

People coming out of a 8-9 month coma?

Daggett on June 26, 2009 at 5:37 PM

John Boehner really needs to shine NOW….THE CHART. And all those empty seats…

Lois Grobb on June 26, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Look at that chart. Good God…

doug1981 on June 26, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Al Gore should have a CFL stuck up his butt and forced to sit on a mechanical bull until Obama is out of office.

fourdeucer on June 26, 2009 at 5:39 PM

He should slam that chart on the ground like he did with the stimulus bill.

doug1981 on June 26, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Boehner on CSpan saying this is the most defining piece of legislation Congress has faced in over 100 years.

red131 on June 26, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Everyone agrees that under this “cap-and-trade” system the cost of energy is expected to increase as electricity producers and industrial plants pay for increased efficiency,

Excuse me, but isn’t “increased efficiency” always less expensive??? …in the long term if not the short? Yet we are guaranteed that the cost of electricity will at least double, if not quadruple by 2025 if this bill passes?

This one statement by the AP (Administration Proponents) is stark proof of the great lie behind the “cap and trade” obomanation.

And aren’t starkly higher electric rates a tax (since they are caused by Washington): a tax which bears down hard upon everyone…even those earning less than $250K/year?

This bill would force our country to operate in the LEAST efficient manner possible: without power, without transportation, without communication, and burdened by a permanently huge army of the chronically unemployed.

landlines on June 26, 2009 at 5:41 PM

They are still twisting arms, keep calling!

Rebar on June 26, 2009 at 5:41 PM

If you want blood to shoot out of your eyes, watch Grayson from Florida ask for $$ for his district in exchange for his vote on C&T. http://ow.ly/fXff

UnderstandingisPower on June 26, 2009 at 5:43 PM

them putting a “placeholder” in so they can add more to the bill AFTER it’s been voted on.

UnderstandingisPower on June 26, 2009 at 5:29 PM

How is that even legal? Doesn’t that mean the bill could pass and then they could insert a passage that says everyone whose name ends in the letter ‘e’ must be executed? Why bother voting on ANY bills. Just vote on a blank sheet of paper and fill it in after it passes.

Daggett on June 26, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Pretty much.

Democracy? What democracy?

UnderstandingisPower on June 26, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Any intelligent American that will be votng on this bill would be wise to listen to J.Boehner. You go John! Lucky Ohio.

red131 on June 26, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Daggett on June 26, 2009 at 5:37 PM

I figured McCain/Palin voters who are now growing desperate.

Cindy Munford on June 26, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Any intelligent American that will be votng on this bill would be wise to listen to J.Boehner. You go John! Lucky Ohio.

red131 on June 26, 2009 at 5:45 PM

He’s doing a terrific job. I hope some of the lib voters are paying attention to the details he is laying out.

sherry on June 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Waxman is trying to cut off Boehner! The gall of that fool!

sherry on June 26, 2009 at 5:52 PM

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