Cap and trade vote today, complete with AP spin; Update: 300-page, last-minute amendment; Update: Greenpeace opposes

posted at 8:46 am on June 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

In pre-Norman England, King Canute once had his bearers carry him to the sea, where he ordered the ocean to recede.  Often this story is told to indict Canute for having delusions of grandeur, but historians usually agree that Canute intended to teach a lesson to his court, whose profuse flattery had annoyed the king to distraction.  Why does Canute come to mind today?  For some reason, I thought of it when I read the AP’s lead to their coverage of the cap-and-trade bill coming to the House floor for a vote:

A handful of undecided Democrats hold the key to whether the House will confront global warming and begin a shift away from fossil fuels to cleaner sources of energy.

Well, that’s not biased coverage at all, is it?  “Whether the House will confront global warming” implies that all debate has ceased on the subject, while in truth it has intensified.  Kim Strassel notes the increasing skepticism in today’s Wall Street Journal:

Among the many reasons President Barack Obama and the Democratic majority are so intent on quickly jamming a cap-and-trade system through Congress is because the global warming tide is again shifting. It turns out Al Gore and the United Nations (with an assist from the media), did a little too vociferous a job smearing anyone who disagreed with them as “deniers.” The backlash has brought the scientific debate roaring back to life in Australia, Europe, Japan and even, if less reported, the U.S.

In April, the Polish Academy of Sciences published a document challenging man-made global warming. In the Czech Republic, where President Vaclav Klaus remains a leading skeptic, today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role. In France, President Nicolas Sarkozy wants to tap Claude Allegre to lead the country’s new ministry of industry and innovation. Twenty years ago Mr. Allegre was among the first to trill about man-made global warming, but the geochemist has since recanted. New Zealand last year elected a new government, which immediately suspended the country’s weeks-old cap-and-trade program.

The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. — 13 times the number who authored the U.N.’s 2007 climate summary for policymakers. Joanne Simpson, the world’s first woman to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology, expressed relief upon her retirement last year that she was finally free to speak “frankly” of her nonbelief. Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to a U.N. climate report, dubs man-made warming “the worst scientific scandal in history.” Norway’s Ivar Giaever, Nobel Prize winner for physics, decries it as the “new religion.” A group of 54 noted physicists, led by Princeton’s Will Happer, is demanding the American Physical Society revise its position that the science is settled. (Both Nature and Science magazines have refused to run the physicists’ open letter.)

The collapse of the “consensus” has been driven by reality. The inconvenient truth is that the earth’s temperatures have flat-lined since 2001, despite growing concentrations of C02. Peer-reviewed research has debunked doomsday scenarios about the polar ice caps, hurricanes, malaria, extinctions, rising oceans. A global financial crisis has politicians taking a harder look at the science that would require them to hamstring their economies to rein in carbon.

Of course, the AP reports on this as part of its coverage, too.  This comes in paragarph … er … oh, wait, it doesn’t appear at all.  The AP does report on opposition to the bill on its fiscal insanity, but waters that down considerably:

Everyone agrees that under this “cap-and-trade” system the cost of energy is expected to increase as electricity producers and industrial plants pay for increased efficiency, move toward greater use of renewable energy, pay for ways to capture carbon emissions or purchase pollution allowances.

They disagree, however, on how much of the added cost would be passed onto consumers. Democrats argue that much of the cost increase could be offset by other provisions in the bill.

All of the increase will get passed to consumers.  Democrats hope to buffer that through targeted subsidies, but the AP neglects to mention that mechanism — because that money also comes from consumers.  Business costs always get passed to the purchaser in the form of higher prices, and anyone who argues that they don’t either have no understanding of business and pricing or has a desire to sell snake oil to the gullible.

Cap-and-trade is a tax, one imposed through an artificial scarcity model onto an industry that drives the economy.  The AP reports the CBO and EPA cost estimates without mentioning that those predictions only cover the actual mechanical costs of cap-and-trade.  They do not predict the economic impact on American families from the loss of economic power as energy becomes more scarce and expensive.  This bill will lose the US 2.5% of its GDP each and every year in the years after the first decade of implementation.

King Canute knew better than to believe his advisers when they told him that he was powerful enough to affect ocean levels.  Unfortunately, this administration and the Democratic Party don’t have the sense Canute did.

Call your Representative today to tell them not to strangle the American economy.  Michelle has the numbers and names to call.

Update: Before today, the bill ran a little over 1,000 pages.  Early this morning, Waxman dropped a 300-page amendment into it.  Be sure to ask your Representatives if they plan to read either of these before voting on the bill. (via Mary Katharine Ham)

Update II: Greenpeace has come out in opposition to Waxman-Markey, too.  However, conservatives should temper their enthusiasm:

“Since the Waxman-Markey bill left the Energy and Commerce committee, yet another fleet of industry lobbysists has weakened the bill even more, and further widened the gap between what Waxman-Markey does and what science demands. As a result, Greenpeace opposes this bill in its current form. We are calling upon Congress to vote against this bill unless substantial measures are taken to strengthen it. Despite President Obama’s assurance that he would enact strong, science-based legislation, we are now watching him put his full support behind a bill that chooses politics over science, elevates industry interests over national interest, and shows the significant limitations of what this Congress believes is possible.

“As it comes to the floor, the Waxman-Markey bill sets emission reduction targets far lower than science demands, then undermines even those targets with massive offsets. The giveaways and preferences in the bill will actually spur a new generation of nuclear and coal-fired power plants to the detriment of real energy solutions. To support such a bill is to abandon the real leadership that is called for at this pivotal moment in history.  We simply no longer have the time for legislation this weak. “

In other words, Greenpeace is angry that it doesn’t get more confiscatory and economically suicidal.  It makes Waxman-Markey look moderate, which is a bigger problem than a boon for conservatives.


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This guy is so weird looking

blatantblue on June 26, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Cap and trade will pass because the world only cares about Michael Jackson at the moment.

dcwvu on June 26, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Trap-n-cage.

the_nile on June 26, 2009 at 8:49 AM

We need to stop this runaway train.

This is fraudulent in so many ways it makes me ill.

cntrlfrk on June 26, 2009 at 8:52 AM

i wrote my congressman, Perriello, 5th district, Virginia. he is a Dem. but he only won his seat by about 700 votes in ’08 so he might be a squishy dem. but part of his district is uber lib.

kelley in virginia on June 26, 2009 at 8:53 AM

scary times….dcwvu is right…all coverage will be on MJ and we will be stuck with the bill….

cmsinaz on June 26, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Any chance Cap & Trade was brought back from the dead and rammed down our throats in order to bolster the argument and the revenue numbers needed to justify the supposed “deficit neutral” healthcare nightmare?

elduende on June 26, 2009 at 8:55 AM

I hate liberals.

blatantblue on June 26, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Senator Waxman, where are we going in such a hurry and why are we riding in this hand-basket…

doriangrey on June 26, 2009 at 8:56 AM

I spent some time emailing and calling my representatives over the past few days. I asked them a simple question; are you prepared to use the same government run health insurance program that you are voting on tomorrow, for yourself and your family. If it’s good enough in your mind for us, then it had better be good enough for you and yours!

I have yet to receive a reply from any of them.

Senators Baucus and Tester, I hope you are listening to us.

Keemo on June 26, 2009 at 8:56 AM

I hate liberals.

blatantblue on June 26, 2009 at 8:56 AM

I’m there with you!

Keemo on June 26, 2009 at 8:58 AM

We are going to have hell to pay both literally and fiquratively. I think our only hope is the Senate albeit a small one.

HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 8:58 AM

hate liberals.

blatantblue on June 26, 2009 at 8:56 AM
I’m there with you!

Keemo on June 26, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Save me a seat on that bus!

HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Senators Baucus and Tester, I hope you are listening to us.

Keemo on June 26, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Put the crack pipe down and back slowly away from it…. A US senator actually listen to one of the constitutes?

doriangrey on June 26, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Comrades: The goal of imposing misery on Americans has nearly been attained. The final victory is at hand. Workers of the world unite!

Buy Danish on June 26, 2009 at 8:59 AM

This guy is so weird looking

blatantblue on June 26, 2009 at 8:47 AM

I agree. There should be a content warning to see that picture. Very scary.

Loxodonta on June 26, 2009 at 8:59 AM

I hope this fails.

BPD on June 26, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Cap-and Fade

ICBM on June 26, 2009 at 9:00 AM

I quit paying attention to anything the AP says long ago. It’s nothing but a pipeline out of the White House, daily bowing towards The One. No credibility at all. Unfortunately, with the demise of the UP, the AP is the main distributor of what passes for “news” today in many newspapers, who’re too cheap to hire their own reporters or do research.

bradley11 on June 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Didn’t the Grinch steal his wife?

HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM

I called every congressman in my state yesterday. WIll call the yes and undecideds again today.

I hope all these insane lefty policies hit O’s sheep voters first, fast and furiously. Stupid Futhermuckers.

Monica on June 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM

I can’t believe the fate of this country is riding in the hands of “a handful of undecided Democrats”…this is simply madness…

ladyingray on June 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM

We are going to have hell to pay both literally and fiquratively. I think our only hope is the Senate albeit a small one.

HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 8:58 AM

If in 2010 you do not get up off your a$$ and vote every single incumbent out of office then you have no prayer. If you vote for someone with a slick campaign and lots of funding, you again have no prayer, and deserve none either.

doriangrey on June 26, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Besides the fact hat it’s all a bunch of crap, there is an article in today’s WSJ that the Major Oil Companies will shutter or lower the capacity of their refineries here in the states and then import a lot more oil and refined products into the US, while domestic production is drastically lowered.
This means a lot of market disruption and areas like North Dakota, where I have begun to work – the fastest-growing oil fields in the nation – will be hit hard, and hundreds of thousands of barrels of new daily oil production will disappear.
That’s the kind of “energy independence” that only a traitorous Marxist like that stupid clown in the White House
would think is a great idea.
The real winners in this ridiculous disaster are China and India – our fastest growing competitors, as well as the Arab oil producers.
Good thinking, Urkel!

TexasJew on June 26, 2009 at 9:02 AM

what these assholes don’t even take into acct is that with the increased energy costs (from plain old gasoline to electricity to heating fuels), many people on the economic/financial bubble will have to go on public assistance.

of course, there are the many businesses that will have to close, too, because of this.

write, call, email today! go to your congressidjit’s hometown office & “sit in”.

kelley in virginia on June 26, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Well, that’s not biased coverage at all, is it? “Whether the House will confront global warming” implies that all debate has ceased on the subject, while in truth it has intensified

Yesterday I was offended by the title, “WSJ: Cap-and-tax a great deal … if you don’t measure the costs.” It is not a good deal independent of the great cost.

burt on June 26, 2009 at 9:03 AM

That’s not his face. That photo was snapped while he was mooning someone.

Akzed on June 26, 2009 at 9:03 AM

bambi wants to destroy our country. don’t you get it? and i don’t understand how everyone in Congress thinks he is so wonderful.

kelley in virginia on June 26, 2009 at 9:04 AM

I don’t hate liberals.

I just feel a whole lot better when they’re not in charge.

MzeeTamu on June 26, 2009 at 9:05 AM

Bunch of criminal, corrupt f*cking bastards

All of them

Pieces of sh*t

totalitarian, government loving, motherwhoring jerks

blatantblue on June 26, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Maybe Obama could have one of his Czars dictate that companies are not allowed to pass on costs to customers.
/sarc

pappy on June 26, 2009 at 9:06 AM

doriangrey on June 26, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Don’t you fret. For the first time in my life I am screaming at the top of my lungs! Tea Party here is 7/3 I am even closing my businees early and volunteering.

HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 9:06 AM

I just called Rep. Betsy Markey’s office. The guy that answered the phone said he was just an intern and din’t know how she was going to vote but, would pass on my opinion to her. What a joke.

boomer on June 26, 2009 at 9:06 AM

ive had it with these losers

these rejects!

they couldn’t make it in the real world so they went to government and stayed there for life!

blatantblue on June 26, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Update: 300-page, last-minute amendment

This is fcking ridiculous! This needs to be stopped at all costs.

elduende on June 26, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Psychological projection on display again.

Remember how Libs squealed that Bush “took his eye off the ball” of terrorism by launching an “unnecessary war”??

Now lets see, President Obama faces an economic collapse, and concludes that the one thing that is urgently needed is… to save the environment.

Obama takes his eyes off the ball.

Or rather, his eye has always been on a different ball. Though the balls are of someone else’s making since he lacks balls of his own. I don’t know, take the metaphor wherever you want to go with it.

jeff_from_mpls on June 26, 2009 at 9:06 AM

A huge scam, and travesty! I don’t think enough dems will be bright enough to say “no.”

GFW on June 26, 2009 at 9:07 AM

these people are the most corrupt people i’ve ever seen

they are the likes of tammany hall

machine politics

i despise them

blatantblue on June 26, 2009 at 9:07 AM

TexasJew on June 26, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Can you say unintended consequence. I know first hand what you are saying is a fact. We may have to make Texas oil foreign oil.

HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM

We need to do what the Iranians did and shut down the damn country!!!

Flood the streets in every city and don’t stop till they stop this Rape of our great country!

I hope we don’t wait 30 years like the Iranians.

katy on June 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Update: Before today, the bill ran a little over 1,000 pages. Early this morning, Waxman dropped a 300-page amendment into it.

Unreal

Weight of Glory on June 26, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Sigh….

My Congressman is Jim Moran. He’s as socialist as they come.

highhopes on June 26, 2009 at 9:09 AM

It’s so important that no robust debate are allowed.

the_nile on June 26, 2009 at 9:11 AM

But the good news is, the GOP is planning to take out full page ads in major newpapers to list the names of everyone who votes for this travesty!

Oh wait, I had bad info, let me see now…

Oh yeah. Um, the GOP isn’t planning anything.

jeff_from_mpls on June 26, 2009 at 9:13 AM

So they have the dynamite in place on the foundation of this country and Nancy Pelosi has the detonator. Will today be the day this country starts the slide from which there is no return?

I hope and pray they don’t have the votes for this. God, please stop them.

You know something is amiss when they won’t even let any of the Republican sponsored relief valves in the bill.

Thunderstorm129 on June 26, 2009 at 9:13 AM

Bunch of criminal, corrupt f*cking bastards

All of them

Pieces of sh*t

totalitarian, government loving, motherwhoring jerks

blatantblue on June 26, 2009 at 9:06 AM

About sums this up perfectly… :)

Keemo on June 26, 2009 at 9:14 AM

If this bill is signed into law, it could very well be the domino which triggers a serious secession movement.

Rebar on June 26, 2009 at 9:15 AM

leave it to the Democrats, led by one that looks like you carry him like a six-pack and open the bottle on his teeth, to figure out a way to tax air.

cpr on June 26, 2009 at 9:16 AM

I can only imagine what ol’ Pig Face has hidden in that 300 page amendment.

What is the effin hurry? There is no faux critical-mass at work here, there is no argument that the American economy is about to collapse if Crap and Trade isn’t passed within days, no basis whatsoever to shove this through other than to rape the American people before we even realize our clothes are missing.

At 1,300 pages I believe this is longer than the stimucrap bill and they deliberated for a whole eight hours and that monstrosity. I hate these people for what they are trying to do to my nation.

Bishop on June 26, 2009 at 9:16 AM

This would be a knife to the heart of the American economy.

Not only would consumers have less disposable income as utility bills skyrocket, but the cost of EVERYTHING will have to increase. It will cost more to produce something, cost more to transport it, and cost more to keep the stores open in which to sell it.

The higher cost of producing goods will inevitably drive even more jobs overseas where lower energy costs will only add to the incentives of lower corporate taxes and lower labor costs which are already in place.

This would be a horrible idea even in a booming economy. That this is even being considered at all in light of the nature of the debate about AGW and the perilous state of our economy is a testament to the chasm that exists between the mindset of our politicians and the real world in which the rest of us must live.

hillbillyjim on June 26, 2009 at 9:17 AM

If this bill is signed into law, it could very well be the domino which triggers a serious secession movement.

Rebar on June 26, 2009 at 9:15 AM

The only question will be… how long…

This cap and trade crap really is a disproportionate tax on producer states. You almost have to wonder if the 10th amendment shouldn’t be brought up? I’m not a constitutional scholar by any means, but this seems like the Federal government is choosing winners and losers amongst the states.

Am I wrong in my line of thinking?

BPD on June 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM

highhopes: yeah, my congressman is tom perriello. he is from charlottesville, the bastion of uber-liberalism in the Commonwealth.

i just wrote him again.

do you think calling is the right way to go? i could try to be civil.

kelley in virginia on June 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Now lets see, President Obama faces an economic collapse, and concludes that the one thing that is urgently needed is… to save the environment.

With a bill that does nothing to save the environment. It is nothing more than a bill to squeeze dollars from consumers, and redistribute those dollars to politically connected allies. The bill is also an offensive launched at the domestic oil and gas industry, the libs axis of evil. For a president to parade around and proclaim that he is intent on creating manufacturing jobs, this bill will result in a net loss of manufacturing jobs, as industry will seek out new countries with lower energy costs.

ICBM on June 26, 2009 at 9:19 AM

this bill will put alot of my depressed area on public assistance. guess who pays for that?

kelley in virginia on June 26, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Let me tell you something, this thing is by no means a done deal. I know they’re trying to work out a deal in the House to ensure votes for passage but last I heard when I left the office last night they didn’t have the votes. Everyone on this forum, and everyone you know, needs to get on the phone to YOUR congressman and turn up the pressure. Especially those of you who have Dem. members from energy producing states….and from farm states. An avalanch of phone calls is needed NOW. I know our phones are ringing off the hook and my boss is already voting NO.

t.ferg on June 26, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Oh, this is what the bill does say: The benefit of the Waxman-Markey bill is that global surface temperatures will be one tenth of one degree cooler than currently projected in one hundred years.

Wow, savaging the economy for 1/10 of one degree over 100 years.

Hey Rebar, I’ll meet you on the field.

Bishop on June 26, 2009 at 9:20 AM

If this bill is signed into law, it could very well be the domino which triggers a serious secession movement.

Rebar on June 26, 2009 at 9:15 AM

I’m not hopeful.

The Left took control of Education 50 years ago and have succeeded in producing a therapeutic personality that is passive, helpless, and ignorant of history.

The Left has been building up to this for some time.

Any talk of secession will be met with gasps and appeals to share our wealth, to “coexist” and “get along”.

America has been feminized. And I mean that in the most contemptuous way possible.

jeff_from_mpls on June 26, 2009 at 9:20 AM

The last thing Cap and Trade has to do with is global warming.

patrick neid on June 26, 2009 at 9:22 AM

In recognition of what is sadly going to be lost today, I’ll be cranking the AC up to max when I get home.

MadisonConservative on June 26, 2009 at 9:23 AM

On the bright side . . .

The Dems got a long piece of rope in November, and they’re using it to tie a noose around their neck.

When the economy crashes, they can’t blame anyone for obstructing their agenda.

jazz_piano on June 26, 2009 at 9:23 AM

People won’t care until gasoline is $5.00 a gallon.

By then it will be too late.

Let’s face it, we’re in the slaughter house, mooing, and the door is about to be slammed shut.

We were warned, but our idiot neighbors outnumbered us, and herded us into this place willingly.

jeff_from_mpls on June 26, 2009 at 9:24 AM

I hope this fails.

BPD on June 26, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Why should it? McCain wants it, too.

spmat on June 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM

People won’t care until gasoline is $5.00 a gallon.

By then it will be too late.

Let’s face it, we’re in the slaughter house, mooing, and the door is about to be slammed shut.

We were warned, but our idiot neighbors outnumbered us, and herded us into this place willingly.

jeff_from_mpls on June 26, 2009 at 9:24 AM

So we’ll be right…dead, but right.

And when one single liberal looks at me and says “can you believe the prices of stuff these days!!?!”, I am going to be on the news for sticking someone’s head up their ass.

Thunderstorm129 on June 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Think how much CO2 we’ll be saving when we’re starveed to death and have no heat or electricity!
The relevant url for the article as to how the oil compnaies will be forced to increase inports of oil and refined products and shut down domestic refining capacity is at:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a1ZiIqv3E4QE

Less domestic energy for real energy independence!

TexasJew on June 26, 2009 at 9:26 AM

I just called my congressman’s office (Frank Kratovil (D), 1st District, Maryland – leaning Yes). It took hitting redial about 12 times to get through which is a good sign. The young lady on the phone was very polite and listened to my concerns and said she’d pass it on to the congressman. Kratovil is a first term congressman from what is usually a conservative-leaning rural and agricultural district and he’s voted against the Dem party line in the past. He knows he’s on shaky ground for a second term already, so hopefully this will influence him.

Whether or not you’ve been jaded by the failure of politicians to listen to you in the past, the failure of this bill is critical to the future of the country and all representatives know the face elections next year, so call, call, call and let them know you’re watching.

Trafalgar on June 26, 2009 at 9:28 AM

This is what is needed, a political party so corrupt and deaf to the voters that they actually cause pain, enough pain that voters are removed from their apathy and willful ignorance. What the democrats are doing is going to be felt for a long time, and they won’t be able to blame Bushitler for the problems they are creating.

Rode Werk on June 26, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Any talk of secession will be met with gasps and appeals to share our wealth, to “coexist” and “get along”.

jeff_from_mpls on June 26, 2009 at 9:20 AM

But those bent on secession wouldn’t be moved by such ‘arguments.’

I don’t think this will be the straw that breaks the Union’s back, though. Not by itself.

jazz_piano on June 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM

When the high utility bills and gasoline prices begin happening. The masses will blame big oil.

hillbillyjim on June 26, 2009 at 9:17 AM

You are correct. I am watching closely as I spend a great deal on transportaion.

With the rising of debt, and the inflation surely to follow will be exacerbated by this insanity.

HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM

And when one single liberal looks at me and says “can you believe the prices of stuff these days!!?!”, I am going to be on the news for sticking someone’s head up their ass.

Thunderstorm129 on June 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM

I’ll be watching and popping popcorn.

I’ve decided I am now pro-backlash.

Utopians will be held accountable.

jeff_from_mpls on June 26, 2009 at 9:30 AM

We were warned, but our idiot neighbors outnumbered us, and herded us into this place willingly.

jeff_from_mpls on June 26, 2009 at 9:24 AM

I’m sure u know the wolf, sheep, sheepdog story

It seems to my our system allows the wolves to convince the sheep to lock up the sheep dogs. Perhaps there’s something wrong with that system, or maybe the sheep dogs fell down on the job.

JiangxiDad on June 26, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Any talk of secession will be met with gasps and appeals to share our wealth, to “coexist” and “get along”.

jeff_from_mpls on June 26, 2009 at 9:20 AM

But those bent on secession wouldn’t be moved by such ‘arguments.’

I don’t think this will be the straw that breaks the Union’s back, though. Not by itself.

jazz_piano on June 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM

If prices go north of where I think they will, it just might be.

Thunderstorm129 on June 26, 2009 at 9:31 AM

You know, I’m sick of these phony “balanced” articles where Exxon or some knowledgeable energy expert is then rebutted by some ignorant lying schmuck greenie-weenie from the Sierra Club.
Does every article about modern medicine have to have an “alternative view” from a Congo witch doctor?

TexasJew on June 26, 2009 at 9:31 AM

#1 If you tax ANYBODY and they have a way to pass it on THEY WILL. That would be to us.
#2 Renewable energy is a MYTH. It would take a solar panel the size of Canada to power NYC and the same amount of windmills would send the U.S. floating across the Atlantic til we hit the U.K.
Frickin STUPID!

faol on June 26, 2009 at 9:31 AM

We’re approaching the nation’s breaking point. If this passes the House, will there be enough senators with sense enough to stop this Obamanation?

RandyChandler on June 26, 2009 at 9:31 AM

do you think calling is the right way to go? i could try to be civil.

kelley in virginia on June 26, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Honestly, it probably doesn’t matter. This has been rushed through with so little discussion that anybody like Moran and Perillieo will vote in favor because they are Democrats in safe districts. Calling seems like a waste of time anyway. The twentysomething intern will pretend to take your message but that is about it.

highhopes on June 26, 2009 at 9:32 AM

And when one single liberal looks at me and says “can you believe the prices of stuff these days!!?!”, I am going to be on the news for sticking someone’s head up their ass.

Thunderstorm129 on June 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Anyone liberal who says that has spared you the effort and the news appearance.

jazz_piano on June 26, 2009 at 9:32 AM

All of my Congressmen have heard from me. Had to re-word my email a few times to make sure it didn’t sound like a threat, but did.

I will make it my personal vendetta to remove from office any of my Congresscritters who vote for this crap.

Now, to the phones!

cntrlfrk on June 26, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Throw all these idiots out! I am sick of them bullying everyone. This is tax and kill!

ohiobabe on June 26, 2009 at 9:33 AM

This year has been full of bills that prove the need for term limits on these jokers. Maybe if these guys weren’t always trying to save their job, they would make decisions that were good for this country.

Thunderstorm129 on June 26, 2009 at 9:33 AM

This isn’t about the environment. It is about the same thing the the health care bill, the card check bill, the stimulus bill, etc…POWER and CONTROL.

HoustonRight on June 26, 2009 at 9:34 AM

President Obama:

Hmm, fix economic collapse?, or help polar bear?….

economy… or polar bear…

Gosh this being President is hard work even for a man as smart as Barack Obama!

Backlash.

jeff_from_mpls on June 26, 2009 at 9:34 AM

I’ve called my Rep three times. As of this morning they still aren’t sure how he is voting. Do they just tell us that to blow us off?

ctmom on June 26, 2009 at 9:34 AM

And when one single liberal looks at me and says “can you believe the prices of stuff these days!!?!”, I am going to be on the news for sticking someone’s head up their ass.

Thunderstorm129 on June 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Anyone liberal who says that has spared you the effort and the news appearance.

jazz_piano on June 26, 2009 at 9:32 AM

touche’

Thunderstorm129 on June 26, 2009 at 9:34 AM

I just don’t know how lower income people like myself are going to survive this administration. It seems the president is mad.

The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in my hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more

And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forbodings too
Ill see you on the dark side of the moon

scalleywag on June 26, 2009 at 9:35 AM

A handful of undecided Democrats hold the key to whether the House will confront global warming and begin a shift away from fossil fuels to cleaner sources of energy*.

*but also less efficient, more costly, less versatile sources which will result in an overall decrease in the world standard of living, impacting the already-impoverished first and hardest.

whitetop on June 26, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Ed,
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I do not want to give up. It is just frustrating for me to wrap my arms around the hoax/myth of climate change bullsh!t. The argument for this bill is based on poor and convoluted concept of pseudoscience as antagonistic to bona fide science and has been repeated ad nauseam. If you repeat an untruth it remains an untruth.
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The representatives in congress along with the senators are really ignorant if this passes. I myself will want to know all the names that vote yes on this economic catastrophe. It is this list of names that will be out of a public service job in their next election. I don’t care if they are republican or democrat, they’re gone.

Americannodash on June 26, 2009 at 9:36 AM

If prices go north of where I think they will, it just might be.

Thunderstorm129 on June 26, 2009 at 9:31 AM

But by the time everything comes crashing down, there will be so much bad legislation and policy to choose from that choosing one piece as worst may be difficult.

Soaring energy prices, worthless dollar, rampant unemployment, higher crime, international chaos, maybe a terrorist attack at home (God forbid) . . . it will take someone of Obama’s arrogance even to run again in 2012.

jazz_piano on June 26, 2009 at 9:36 AM

#1 If you tax ANYBODY and they have a way to pass it on THEY WILL. That would be to us.

faol on June 26, 2009 at 9:31 AM

My company, (which employs several hundred people) is seriously watching this legislation.

We are located a few miles from a large coal burning power plant. To compete globally we have already stripped and streamlined our systems down as lean as they can go. Most likely we will close our doors if this passes, because we can no longer pass costs on to the consumer without losing business to foreign competition.

cntrlfrk on June 26, 2009 at 9:37 AM

In the name of all that’s holy and good, may I never see another picture of Henry Waxman!!

WordsMatter on June 26, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Dunce Cap and Trade: how to strangle a weak economy.

profitsbeard on June 26, 2009 at 9:37 AM

And when one single liberal looks at me and says “can you believe the prices of stuff these days!!?!”, I am going to be on the news for sticking someone’s head up their ass.

Thunderstorm129 on June 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM

I don’t think you’ll be able to take credit for that one.

LibTired on June 26, 2009 at 9:37 AM

I’m sorry, but this vote today, IS KIND OF A BIG DEAL, and the networks, (Can’t tell you how disappointed I am in FOX) are determined to devote their 24/7 coverage to Michael Jackson. I emailed the dolts on America’s newsroom, but no reply….I really can’t imagine that the people watching FOX this morning care more about pop culture than actual news.

This disaster is going to pass because no one is paying attention- Just the way Obama likes it.

anniekc on June 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM

” B E W A R E

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rone5847 on June 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM

The government is now our enemy.

TexasJew on June 26, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Before I get dragged off to the re-education camp, I thought I’d let you all read what I wrote to my illustrious Congressman, Jim Himes, about the “cap and trade” bill:

Do NOT, under any circumstances, vote for the current “cap and trade” bill that comes before the House today. It is nothing more than a stealth mega-tax on every single American and every single business – and it will not make one iota of difference in the battle against “Global Warming”. When our super-brilliant President ignorantly describes carbon as a “contaminant”, not understanding that it is a naturally occurring element emitted with every breath we take, it is obvious that this whole “Climate Change” battle is a farce. Perhaps our overlords in Washington should talk less and breathe more shallowly lest they “contaminate” our precious environment with their carbon emissions. Passing this idiotic bill will bring our economy to its knees. If YOU vote for it, Mr. Himes, I will do everything in my power to make victorious whomever runs against you in 2010.

Logic on June 26, 2009 at 9:39 AM

If they think foreclosures are high now, just wait until people can’t afford to pay their utility bills.

moonsbreath on June 26, 2009 at 9:40 AM

This will sink the Democrats for a long long time.

Griz on June 26, 2009 at 9:40 AM

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This disaster is going to pass because no one is paying attention- Just the way Obama likes it.

anniekc on June 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Amen to that. I’m pissed at Fox. It is the only TV outlet that offers any sensible coverage, yet last night all we got was Shep, Geraldo, and Greta talking about Jackson. I still like Off the Wall and Thriller, but I could give a rat’s a** about him now. He’s a CD in the player.

Talk about falling asleep at the wheel.

BuckeyeSam on June 26, 2009 at 9:41 AM

What time is the vote?

artist on June 26, 2009 at 9:42 AM

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