SCOTUS: Strip-searching teenage girls for Ibuprofen not cool
posted at 3:10 pm on June 25, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
In an 8-1 decision, the Supreme Court declared a strip search of a teenage girl at an Arizona middle school unconstitutional. The decision does not bar strip searches per se, but it blasts the school district for humiliating a minor over Ibuprofen. The one dissenter? Guess:
The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that the strip search of a 13-year-old schoolgirl violated the constitutional protection against unreasonable search and seizure.
In a closely watched case filled with poignant facts, the court by an 8-1 margin ruled that Arizona school officials violated student Savana Redding’s Fourth Amendment rights when they searched her down to her bra and underpants. Officials were looking for pain pills, which they did not find.
“The content of the suspicion failed to match the degree of intrusion,” Justice David Souter wrote for the majority.
I’d call that a highly nuanced view of the situation. When, exactly, does a strip search by school authorities become reasonable? Souter says that a combination of circumstances caused the legality of the search to be “fatal” — a lack of reasonable cause, and the clear dissonance between the extent of the intrusion and the extent of the danger. However, it seems to me that school officials shouldn’t conduct these kinds of searches at all, but should instead either call the parents or call the police, who (usually) have better training on the conduct of searches.
Justice Clarence Thomas disagrees, however, writing in a lone dissent that the search was reasonable (pages 43-44):
“[T]he nationwide drug epidemic makes the war against drugs a pressing concern in every school.” Board of Ed. of Independent School Dist. No. 92 of Pottawatomie Cty. v. Earls, 536 U. S. 822, 834 (2002). And yet the Court has limited the authority of school officials to conduct searches for the drugs that the officials believe pose a serious safety risk to their students. By doing so, the majority has con-firmed that a return to the doctrine of in loco parentis is required to keep the judiciary from essentially seizing control of public schools. Only then will teachers again be able to “‘govern the[ir] pupils, quicken the slothful, spur the indolent, restrain the impetuous, and control the stubborn’” by making “‘rules, giv[ing] commands, and punish[ing] disobedience’” without interference from judges. See Morse, supra, at 414. By deciding that it is better equipped to decide what behavior should be permitted in schools, the Court has undercut student safety and undermined the authority of school administrators and local officials. Even more troubling, it has done so in a case in which the underlying response by school administrators was reasonable and justified. I cannot join this regrettable decision. I, therefore, respectfully dissent from the Court’s determination that this search violated the Fourth Amendment.
I disagree that the “nationwide drug epidemic” includes Ibuprofen, in the first place. In a more broad sense, the doctrine of in loco parentis has not included strip searches without probable cause. It does allow for the governance of pupils and punishing disobedience, but does that include strip searches of adolescents on flimsy grounds? I don’t see the connection between strip searches and the upholding of in loco parentis, and I imagine that parents of adolescents won’t, either. The Fourth Amendment protects everyone against “unreasonable search and seizure” by state authorities. Public schools certainly qualify as a state authority, and this search was neither reasonable nor necessary, as the school had other options, including involving the girl’s parents.
I admire Justice Thomas, but he’s wrong on this case.










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Every day, it seems, I find another reason to be so very thankful I was homeschooled.
TheQuestion on June 25, 2009 at 3:14 PM
…Thomas voted it was reasonable?
Good grief.
MadisonConservative on June 25, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Nobody’s perfect, Justice Thomas. But don’t make a habit out of this.
perroviejo on June 25, 2009 at 3:15 PM
I think he would be correct if it was a private, rather than public, school.
Count to 10 on June 25, 2009 at 3:16 PM
What if you were looking for amphetamines instead of ibuprofen? I think Thomas’ point isn’t about this specific case as much as it is about the problem in general.
Further many schools have nurses. I think it’s one thing if a young girl is strip-searched by some lecherous old man, but quite another if she is searched by a school medical person of the same gender.
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Clarence Thomas, what were you thinking?
JohnGalt23 on June 25, 2009 at 3:18 PM
The only thing that hurts me is pain (or listening to Representative Pelosi babble), so I feel we should have access to Ibuprofen.
perroviejo on June 25, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Does “in loco parentis” mean that you have crazy parents?
Mark1971 on June 25, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Our war on drugs is not consistent with the Bill of Rights, especially the 4th Amendment. In many areas, about half of all search warrants are issued for wrong addresses or against innocent people based on the word of felons. I suggest we prosecute for perjury anyone who falsely swears out a search warrant.
Laurence on June 25, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Thomas didn’t address the issue of who should be allowed to search. Also, tying in the search for aspirin with the war on drugs is absurd to the point of a headache.
MadisonConservative on June 25, 2009 at 3:20 PM
That made me laugh.
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Of course, if Justice Thomas had a daughter who was strip-searched, for the same reason – or lack thereof – he’d be enraged, and he’d recognize that unreasonable searches – like this one – constitute an ongoing effort, by the State, to indoctrinate our children into an ongoing and intrusive State presence – in every facet of their lives.
OhEssYouCowboys on June 25, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Not all lechers are men. I recall a couple of ugly lesbian PE teachers who would check out the girls in the showers.
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Thomas espouses the extreme right wing view on these “authority power” matters. It is not very odd that he is the only dissenter. He sees Ibuprophen as a drug but non was found. What about probable cause? Suspecting a person is not probably cause.
kanda on June 25, 2009 at 3:24 PM
I think his point is that it is not the court’s place to be in instrument of that rage.
Count to 10 on June 25, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Oh, I absolutely agree that a strip search for a couple Advil is over the line and shows poor judgement. But Supreme Court Cases set precedent for future cases. Should we rule out searches in schools in all cases?
Thomas mentioned in loco parentis in making his argument. Here’s the definition. If he’s supporting the philosphy that schools have the right to act as parents when children are in their custody, wouldn’t that include the right to search a kid?
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 3:25 PM
I think that his point is that he doesn’t give a damn about an ongoing and intrusive State presence in the lives of everybody else’s children – and their indoctrination with that presence.
OhEssYouCowboys on June 25, 2009 at 3:26 PM
True, true. Back in the day of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” gym teachers.
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Believe me…no one had to ask these two.
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 3:27 PM
Then you do what the school should have done in the first place… detain the girl, and get a warrant based upon probable cause.
What should not be allowed is giving some featherbedded school bureaucrat virtually endless power to engage in strip searches of barely pubescent girls.
JohnGalt23 on June 25, 2009 at 3:28 PM
His reasoning is not so strange — there are two sides to a balancing test. Were you arguing that school officials should never be able to conduct a strip search, no matter what they’re looking for? I might agree, but I’m just not sure if this is what you’re asking. I think if they suspect illegal drugs then law enforcement officers (who are more accustomed to codified due process requirements) should do the searches. Or are you arguing no strip searches of minors ever, by anyone?
And as for Thomas’ opinion — I can’t believe the guy who wrote that brilliant Kelo dissent wrote the above. Truly stunning.
DrSteve on June 25, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Thomas “acknowledges some Libertarian leanings” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Thomas#Judicial_philosophy
Damn, wiki is on the ball today.
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 3:28 PM
I agree. Thomas was wrong.
If a child by law, has to have a parent present, during questioning, while under arrest…the same should be said for searches. Especially in a school setting.
I think things are getting way out of hand here. Kids can’t even bring tylenol, without being accused of being a drug dealer, or user. It’s just so dang rediculous!!!
capejasmine on June 25, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Which brings up the point that schools are supposed to be part of the local community, not an arm of the state.
Count to 10 on June 25, 2009 at 3:29 PM
CREEPY story and CREEPY case.
AnninCA on June 25, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Me thinks if Justice Thomas had to deal with the pain of menstrual cramps (most likely why teen girls have ibuprofen on hand at school) then he would be singing a different tune. Cramps can be killer- I’m just sayin’.
unwashed minion on June 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Thomas seems interested in limiting the power of the federal government and the court in particular. That means that you have to give local government more latitude.
Count to 10 on June 25, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Dang. Now I need a new hobby.
cntrlfrk on June 25, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Hell, they can’t even bring peanuts or peanut butter to school. When I was in Elementary ['60s] and Jr. High [Early 70s] School, I brown-bagged that stuff, prolly 3 times a week.
I know it’s all about these “allergies” that they allegedly have, today – but, if that’s the case, let those parents who do have kids with said allergies, tell their kids not to eat the damn stuff – instead of punishing all of the other kids.
Things have just gone too far – and they are going to get worse.
OhEssYouCowboys on June 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Soooo, what case law are ya’ll referring to in coming to the conclusion that Thomas is wrong? I would hope you’re not arguing that we should decide based on the EMPATHY we feel for the young girl in question?
Let’s say it was a boy who was suspected of being a gang member instead, accused of selling drugs. Still against it?
I agree that this particular case has a compelling defendant. But other cases that will use this law as precedent may not have sweet little Tylenol users.
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 3:36 PM
U said it. I’m just a couple yrs younger but you can make a case that as soon as corporal punishment was taken out of school our education suffered.
The fear of “pops” kept me on the straight and narrow (for the most part):)
HoustonRight on June 25, 2009 at 3:36 PM
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 3:36 PM
It’s really not that difficult for the school administration to call the police who can be there with the drug dog in a few minutes.
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 3:40 PM
He certainly didn’t opt for that in Kelo! It was a local government’s “public purpose” he found so completely implausible.
DrSteve on June 25, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Me, too! I did NOT mess with my father. Hell, HR, I’m almost 51, and I’ve never even smoked a joint. All of this “drug war” is crap. That “war” was being “fought” when I was in high school, in the early ’70s. I didn’t need the State to protect me from drugs, or drug test me, randomly. I took care of my own business, because that’s how I was damn-well raised. I spat on “peer pressure.” I made my own way, and I still do.
I fear an unrestrained State, and a nanny State.
OhEssYouCowboys on June 25, 2009 at 3:42 PM
In defense of these kids with these allergies, just being around peanuts can cause them to go into shock and die. That is why you can’t bring it to school.
Although my kids’ school allows it in the lunchroom, just not the classroom. Also, soy is not allowed either. Didn’t know that was a problem.
heatherrc77 on June 25, 2009 at 3:43 PM
In the rural area I grew up in, that drug dog would be at least 30 minutes away. But are you saying the police should be called for every search in every situation?
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 3:43 PM
This is something that’s been bugging me about alot of the arguments in favor of these kind of strip searches – there’s always the assumption that it’s all ok as long as the same gender is involved.
So when a woman strip searches a female student (or adult for that matter), why is this assumed to be less of a violation, less of a humiliation than if a man were carrying out the strip search of a female? I’m assuming it has to do with the sexual attraction of a man to a female and therefore more of an invasion of privacy to the female to be looked at potentially lecherously.
Ok, then. So what about lesbians? Isn’t a female who is subjected to a strip search by a lesbian having her privacy invaded as much as if it were a hetero male? I would be as freaked out by a lesbian strip searching me as a straight man and for this reason, I keep my Ibuprofen at home! Don’t want to get caught up in the “war on drugs”….
CarolynM on June 25, 2009 at 3:44 PM
OK, now I’m going to wait and see how long it takes for our military to start using peanut and soy products as weapons against the savages.
They both sound like some badass stuff.
;O)
OhEssYouCowboys on June 25, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Man o man. I was raised by a Pacific theater WWII navy man. Scared is an understatement. Now I did stray form time to time but I learned what CONSEQUENCES meant.
HoustonRight on June 25, 2009 at 3:45 PM
On another note, Weekly Standard has this tidbit from Rahm on his boss’s Cairo speech:
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 3:45 PM
O/T Did anyone hear that Farah Fawcett died today?
csdeven on June 25, 2009 at 3:46 PM
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 3:43 PM
I can see your point about a rural area. However, I think the police are the proper authority to do a search, not school employees.
Just think about all of the inappropriate school personnel stories for a minute. You really want to give them the authority to strip search kids?
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 3:47 PM
My dad was a Navy corpsman in the Pacific! He made beachheads on Saipan and Iwo Jima, along with five other islands.
Could you be a long-lost brother of mine, or somethin’?
;O)
OhEssYouCowboys on June 25, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Who knew that such deadly stuff can be found right in your kitchen pantry? LOL
I thought all the deadly stuff was under the kitchen sink….
heatherrc77 on June 25, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Over the counter pain killer? she can buy it and take it and give it to a friend but if it is one her at school, the laws are different? This is the same messed up society that thinks the girl should be able to have an invasive abortion without parental notification. I wish there was a civil suit that wiped out the individuals that abused the child for life.
seven on June 25, 2009 at 3:48 PM
It is up to elected Legislature to make decisions about which drugs are dangerous. It is up to SCOTUS only to decide if the law is itself is unconstitutional. Justice Thomas is right to say the law itself is constitutional and kick it back to elected officials fix it.
pedestrian on June 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM
That is the whole point of this case. The school handled it wrong. They should never be allowed to do that without a parent or police present.
If that was my daughter, the court room would be the least of their worries.
heatherrc77 on June 25, 2009 at 3:50 PM
I knew about how dangerous tomatoes were. Back in the late ’60s [I think], I saw a movie called “Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.”
Now, they should make “Godzilla vs. The Killer Peanut Or Soy Products Monster.”
OhEssYouCowboys on June 25, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Could be.. Dad was a cheif petty officer on a LST. They landed at Iwo Jima, Lay Te, Laygan Gulf, Guam, Palliu, and others.
HoustonRight on June 25, 2009 at 3:54 PM
I was on a Southwest flight recently and they would not serve peanuts to ANYONE because someone said they had a peanut allergy. You are right it is going to get a lot worse(insane).
jsunrise on June 25, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Tomatoes are to soft to be scary. It should have been “Attack of the Killer Pineapples”…now that is a scary looking fruit.
heatherrc77 on June 25, 2009 at 3:54 PM
I interpreted Thomas’ dissent quite differently than most, I guess. My take on it is that he’s using this as an opportunity to make a general statement that the courts have (previously) effectively neutered the school administrator’s ability to enforce discipline measures that ACTUALLY WORK in public schools. I know that our schools here were much more in “control” when administrators had the ability to use corporal punishment, etc. When I was a kid, when a “good kid” fought back against a “known bully”, the school’s position was that the bully got what was coming to him. Today both kids get suspended. My kid has gotten in-school suspension for fighting back when he was physically attacked by a bully. It happens.
Why is this happening? In part, because the courts have (through allowing lawsuits, etc.) neutered discipline in the schools. I think Thomas was casting a protest vote in an effort to state that the schools are out of control because the administrators NEED in loco parentis and they’ve effectively been stripped of if.
Changucopia on June 25, 2009 at 3:58 PM
As much as I despise lawyers and lawsuits, if there was every a case that justified them, this is it.
I would sue the principal, the school and the school board.
To traumatize and humiliate a 13 year old girl because of some a-hole politically correct zero tolerance policy defies belief. Heads need to roll.
G-man on June 25, 2009 at 3:59 PM
You’re missing the point, Ed.
The court didn’t indicate that search was unreasonable because of the grounds (which I don’t believe were found to be flimsy). The courts are saying that the search was unreasonable because the items being searched for were harmless.
blink on June 25, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Tough question. For me, I think school officials should be able to do a search in certain situations. So, yes. I also think they should be allowed to spank students. Authorities need to be empowered to enforce the rules to a reasonable extent.
I wonder if people would be less oppposed to it if we called it a “thorough search” instead of a “strip search”. Are you ok if a school official pats down a student instead of having them remove clothing? Or searching their clothing while they’re out exercising during PE?
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Well said. He’s objecting to yet another example of schools being managed by the courts.
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 4:03 PM
“En loco parentus” is one thing, eminent domain violations of property rights are something else.
Count to 10 on June 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM
I agree with you. It seems that Thomas was saying “this is something for the local courts to decide not us”
Besides
I mean come on great stuff
LincolntheHun on June 25, 2009 at 4:05 PM
The 2003 incident occurred in Safford, a very small town near the Mexican border surrounded by Indian Reservations, at a time when schools nationwide endorsed no tolerance for drugs on campus policies. School authorities were looking for prescription-strength ibuprofen and naproxen. Naproxen, an anti-inflammatory NSAID, is known to make you dizzy.
The article Ed quotes does not say if this girl in question had a running disciplinary problem with school authorities. It is as likely that she did as not.
Allowing an incident like this to blow up into a lawsuit punishing all the local population who support their Safford school district via taxes from low incomes is as outrageous as the incident itself, if not more. Tax payers were not the ones who forced the girl to undress.
Again, this is a small very rural town near the Mexican border. But had it been an inner city crime ridden school that had conducted the strip search of a gangster student distributing drugs on campus, the initial public reaction would be polar. Perhaps that influenced Thomas’ dissent.
The girl was told to undress in front of the school nurse, but kept her bra and underwear on. Yes, that is humiliating, but no different than gym class. The school authorities did a poor job substantiating their case for court. You can be certain that after the incident, it did not take the Supreme Court decision to change the Safford school administration policy, as subsequent cases were not filed in the six years since 2003.
Ginsburg wanted to permit the school district to be skewered economically. The SCOTUS tossed Safford tax payers to the wolves in the infamously CA liberal 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals. Sick.
maverick muse on June 25, 2009 at 4:06 PM
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Pat them down, make them turn their pockets inside out, search their backpacks and purses…I’m okay with that. But stripping down to underwear crosses the line. Call the police; that’s what they’re for.
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 4:06 PM
That’s what floored me -school employees have the authority to conduct strip searches of minors???
Not that I think there would ever be a problem, but tonight I’m telling my kids that if any teacher or principle at school tells them they have to submit to a strip search that they should flatly refuse and insist that either parents or police are brought in. That’s over the line in my book.
taznar on June 25, 2009 at 4:06 PM
I want to hear how this no tolerance, take no prisoners approach has eliminated drugs in the schools. *crickets*
Laura in Maryland on June 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM
The key problem with Justice Thomas’s outlook, IMO, is that a parent is not going to strip search there kid, and then use it as evidence in a LEGAL sense…
Kid may get grounded, but most parents won’t call the cops on their children…
However, the school is FORCED to call the cops if they find drugs. They have no legal choice in most states.
Therefore, the School is NOT acting in Loco Parentis, its acting in a Law Enforcement way… and thus should have to follow the same rules as Law Enforcement would.
Romeo13 on June 25, 2009 at 4:10 PM
*Coyote howling*
*Tumbleweed rolling across the landscape*
OhEssYouCowboys on June 25, 2009 at 4:14 PM
I’d rather undress in front of a nurse than a policeman.
Fire the administrator who forced the strip search without being able to provide the court his reasons to substantiate the necessity.
But do not allow the school district to be sued if this is not an unconstitutional pattern on their part.
maverick muse on June 25, 2009 at 4:15 PM
She was an honors student with no problems. When another girl was found with Ibuprofin and asked about the origin, the girl blamed Savana (who is going to out their real source). Savana was never even asked IF she had Ibuprofin on her or even given a chance to turn it over. If it was so darned dangerous, why didn’t they call the police.
It isn’t that much different than gym class, but we were never asked to pull out our skivvies and move them from side to side in front of the nurse and a teacher with the Vice Principal outside the door.
tp://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/24/us/24savana.html
Laura in Maryland on June 25, 2009 at 4:15 PM
You can’t call the police if no laws have been broken. You can’t call the police for every violation of school policy which the courts have decided the schools don’t have the power to enforce.
blink on June 25, 2009 at 4:16 PM
So they should call the cops every time one kid accuses another of holding?
Did they not follow the same strip search rules that law enforcment would have followed?
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Suing the school district KEEPS it from becoming a pattern.
Laura in Maryland on June 25, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Yes, you can. I work in education. It happens all the time.
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Good grief, Ed, I need to sit you down for a tutorial on the Bill of Rights.
For the umpteenth time, the Fourth Amendment, among the other ten amendments first ratified, does not apply to the States. It’s applied to State actions through the Fourteenth Amendment.
I realize all they found was ibuprofen–was that all they were searching for? What was the cause of the search? I mean, they weren’t likely strip-searching everyone at random. There must have been some probable cause. You can’t exactly fault Justice Thomas for the argument on the basis of what was actually discovered during the search.
Of course, the most crucial point to make here has been hinted at by some others: schools can never really stand in loco parentis (especially not these days). It don’t take a village, it takes a parent. Years ago, you’d likely not see this sort of lawsuit because when the child got home she’d be spanked for getting in trouble at school. It wasn’t “how dare they discipline you!” This disease of entitlement and avoidance of consequences is cultural, and would never be repaired by government action anyhow.
cackcon on June 25, 2009 at 4:19 PM
No…and law enforcement would need more than just “I got it from so-and-so” to search for Advil. Don’t they usually question people first?
Laura in Maryland on June 25, 2009 at 4:20 PM
I think there were several levels of poor judgement shown in this case by school administrators. But I also wonder if the girl was really scarred for life by this traumatic event, or if some enterprising lawyer figured he could get some notoriety or cash out of such a sympathetic defendant.
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Again, I don’t think the police will get involved over suspected possession of Advil any more than they will get involved with a student talking in study hall. Talking isn’t a crime. Possession of Advil isn’t a crime. USSC just decided that the schools have the power to enforce one rule, but not the other.
blink on June 25, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Will this be a joke on Letterman tonight?Perhaps he can call the student a whore or something.
Jeff from WI on June 25, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Thanks. This one really sticks in my crawl. To see the schools fall apart while administrators have honors students strip searched for ADVIL is a crock.
It ranks right up there with elderly women on walkers getting pulled aside at the airport while bearded muslims are waved though security to make a pretense at impartiality.
Laura in Maryland on June 25, 2009 at 4:22 PM
What ARE the rules for performing strip searches by law enforcement? I thought (and this is, admittedly, based on watching crime shows) is that police would have 2 same-gender witnesses in the room with the accused. Just like happened here.
hawksruleva on June 25, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Must be a small town.
blink on June 25, 2009 at 4:23 PM
blink on June 25, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Not really.
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Laura in Maryland on June 25, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Like I said, fire the administrator for making this happen without proper context.
But leave the tax payers out of the responsibility unless they have a habit of unconstitutional policies.
Being required to undress for a school strip search has NOW been determined to be unconstitutional. But it wasn’t yet THEN.
As far as these “no tolerance” drug policies go, the Supreme Court should have decided exactly what schools may require legally so that school districts are then informed of the legal bounds. Should SUBSEQUENT conflict occur, then go to court for a settlement.
maverick muse on June 25, 2009 at 4:24 PM
One more thing. Why are the cops called in such cases?
blink on June 25, 2009 at 4:24 PM
If it doesn’t rise to the level of a crime, then a strip search is not warranted. If they suspected a problem, then the MOTHER should have been called.
It was Advil, and they had nothing more than an accusation from another kid who had been caught, and nothing to back up the accusation.
Laura in Maryland on June 25, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Remember that incident, in California, where a WW2 veteran in the Pacific theater had his MEDAL OF HONOR taken away from him – now, he was in his 80s – because the airport imbeciles said that it could be used as a weapon?
Oh, and regarding the “war on drugs,” it’s like every other “war” that is waged in this country … call it a “war,” or say that it is “for the children,” and every possible State intrusion into our lives becomes fair game.
Those who are going to use drugs – will. Those who aren’t – won’t.
OhEssYouCowboys on June 25, 2009 at 4:27 PM
If there is probable cause the kid has drugs, the administrator asks the kid to empty is pockets. If they feel they need to take it to the next level, they call the police.
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 4:28 PM
is = his
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 4:29 PM
When they strip searched, they were not acting as educators, but as law enforcement… so yes… not only should they have followed the Laws about Probable Cause, they also should have let the Police do the job they are trained to do…. and stuck to the job THEY are supposed to be doing, ie, education.
Romeo13 on June 25, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Besides. It is also safer for the school authorities to let the police handle it. This case involves a young girl who most likely would be no threat. What if the kid is a boy and substantually larger and more formidable?
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Illegal drugs?
blink on June 25, 2009 at 4:44 PM
But but……Libtards have been saying for years that Thomas just does whatever Scalia says. Surely they haven’t been lying to cover up their racism!
Speedwagon82 on June 25, 2009 at 4:44 PM
I’d rather him be wrong when it’s a 8-1 discussion then a 5-4…
Stomper on June 25, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Anybody remember a while back when some public school conducted pelvic exams of the girls without notifying the parents? If a school can act as though they are the parents while the kids are in their control, does that mean they can order medical exams in lieu of the parents? Where does it end?
justincase on June 25, 2009 at 4:46 PM
No. This isn’t about LAW enforcement. This is about RULE enforcement.
Possession of Ibuprofen isn’t against the LAW – it’s against the RULE.
blink on June 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Yes.
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM
I think I’m more bothered by a strip search for a rule violation.
In some schools it’s against the rules to have an i-Pod. Should they be able to strip search for that?
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Possession of illegal drugs is against the law. What do you do about possession of legal substances? For example, two aspirin?
blink on June 25, 2009 at 4:50 PM
THAT’s the question.
Now, would you call the police regarding suspected possession of an i-Pod?
blink on June 25, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Assuming that you could confidently establish probable cause.
blink on June 25, 2009 at 4:52 PM
And don’t think that scenario is too far off, if the government is in charge of health care. Not only will we have school nurses giving away condoms, pills, and abortion referrals without the parents knowing a thing (as we do now), we could have any school nurse having access to medical records and in-school “clinics” of all kinds without parental consent.
I know it sounds crazy, but leftists have wanted to take our kids from us since Day One.
To be truthful, I don’t understand how government-funded schools can be Constitutional, given the separation of church and state and the impossibility of teaching content (or controlling kids’ behavior) without having some foundational worldview. We spend huge amounts of time un-doing the damage that the school is doing to our kids. But we don’t make enough to pay for the education the state thinks our kids should get AND the education they really should get. Why can’t the government just stay out of it and let us have our money so we can teach our own kids?
justincase on June 25, 2009 at 4:54 PM
blink on June 25, 2009 at 4:51 PM
No, but I wouldn’t approve of a strip search either. I’d call the parent.
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Call the parent. Send the kid home. Something rational like that.
Disturb the Universe on June 25, 2009 at 4:56 PM
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