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I wasn’t implying that women don’t have affairs, too (although less often, if the data are believable).</blockquote
What data are you talking about? Citation needed.
But if you knew your wife was having an affair, would you stay in the marriage for the kids? Would you collude with your wife to hide it from the kids? Would you expect your wife to end the affair and work with you to rebuild the marriage?>
Yes. It would probably put an expiration date on the marriage (youngest child leaves house), but yes I would. I’m adopted, I know what destroying a family can do. It’s not good, and my kids deserve better than me or my wife’s inability to suck it up and march on.
Here’s my last best stab at this. I do have work to do today.
Married people have a unique set of implicit and explicit obligations to one another. All the choices either one makes has reciprocal repercussions on the relationship. (Think of it as two people in a canoe)
As life goes on, each partner changes, has stuff happen that makes them happy, sad, glad…and it always affects the other person. (The canoe gets tippy). When a mature husband (or wife) is unhappy, feels unappreciated, or is just bummed, it’s his (or her) obligation to talk to his spouse. It’s a marital obligation to lovingly listen and, if he/she’s unhappy with something he/she is doing or not doing, try to change his/her bahaviors. (This helps to reset the listing canoe) And this goes both ways, okay?
Life gets hectic…work, kids, paying the rent, balancing the checkbook, etc. Through it all, a married couple have to retain a unique sensitivity to each other’s needs and expectations, which isn’t at all easy, in order to have an enduring, satisfying relationship. (This canoe stuff isn’t easy)
While, as Dennis Prager says, none of us know who or when or why this relationship stopped being well managed, we all know by the results that this sensitivity fell apart.
Usually one partner (or maybe even both) gets to feeling really shortchanged. (Uh oh, the canoe is really whacked now)
At this point, there needs to be some sort of intervention, shake on the shoulder, stay up all night, super honest profound exchange of what I think of as saying “OUCH” really loud. (Honey, I’m about to fall into the water. Help!)
The big ouch may not have happened in this relationship. Or it may have happened and the reaction was a big shrug. At that point, the unhappy partner needs to push for counseling. At this point, (there’s still Marsh’s 50/50 responsibility going) it can be a real marriage saver.
However, when one or both spouses choose, perhaps unconsciously, to take the easy way out and confide and bond with someone else (of the opposite sex), the marriage goes downhill really fast. (I’m not saying anything, honey, but I’m not paddling anymore) One thing leads to another, and poof, it’s a full fledged affair. “It just happened!” Actually not, there were quite a few choices made, mostly poor. Counseling after this is a lot less successful, for obvious reasons. While two can “tango” (manage the canoe), three really makes a mess of it.
Canoe analogies aside for the moment, however it came down for the Sanfords, it is obvious that the governor brought the third party into the mix. He was 100% responsible for that. (think: Marsh, above). He may have “felt” driven to it, he may have been depressed about his job, the wife may have seemed too preoccupied for him to say Ouch. But it was nevertheless his obligation to make himself heard, get this cleared up or get a divorce BEFORE he started confiding in another woman. THAT’s a slippery, dangerous slope.
Marriage is a learned skill, just as is double canoeing. Most people don’t know this at the beginning. Many marriages fail not so much because people “fall out of love,” they are often just inept learners.
marybel on June 26th, 2009 at 9:12 am
My personal feeling: it he was somehow dissatisfied in the “love and support” department, he had an obligation to communicate that to his wife. By going out and slipping around, he proved himself to be sleaze. I thought she was very classy in her response. My husband has a “project” truck that he loves more than life. First think that would happen to him is that all his clothes, fishing gear, guns, and such would go up in flames in his precious truck and melt his 33″ mud tires.
I guess we found out where Mark S. real strength came from.
The bad news is the idiot news people jamming microphones in her face with the kids in the car…hey this is more trauma for the kids.
My only question is, was she really gullible enough to believe that trail hiking story, because that one is moronic.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM
As I have told you before…read and do just a little research.
She knew he was going South…she knew exactly where he was and with whom.
She had known about the affair for several months and was trying to work things out, but finally told him to get out and make a decision.
To me that implies causality. Some wives drive men to cheat. There is no parsing there.
In your further response, you have clarified, and I agree, that wives can drive husbands away from them. But let’s make it clear that only husbands can drive themselves to cheat.
(I will ignore your comments about my supposed gender and method of discourse. I did not make any personal comments about you and think that is unfair that you did.)
freemo on June 26, 2009 at 8:58 AM
Please include my entire quote when you are quoting me. What you are doing is taking my words out of context and making assumptions about them so I sought to clarify. Here I go again.
I am saying that woman can drive their husbands away and it is not right for them to cheat. I am not implicitly or explicitly saying that it is ok to cheat.
I guessed you are a woman because I most I have known have the ability to recall conversations from the past to try and catch me in a contradiction. For example, “But you said five years ago that such and such was ok.” ;-)
Heh. I don’t know if she grew up in the South, but if not, she’s learned the way–strong, loving, and if you mess with her family, she’ll gut you with a smile on her face.
I guess we found out where Mark S. real strength came from.
The bad news is the idiot news people jamming microphones in her face with the kids in the car…hey this is more trauma for the kids.
right2bright on June 26, 2009 at 9:39 AM
She’s 47 years old, the “kids” can get out and BUY a car.
She’s 47 years old, the “kids” can get out and BUY a car.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 9:44 AM
She may be 47 but the kids are quite young, so driving isn’t the answer. Also, Jenny tossed Mark out of the house five weeks ago, so I’m sure she had a good idea what he was doing.
Don’t follow the news much Jeff? Guess you just like to “hang” here.
She’s 47 years old, the “kids” can get out and BUY a car.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 9:44 AM
She may be 47 but the kids are quite young, so driving isn’t the answer. Also, Jenny tossed Mark out of the house five weeks ago, so I’m sure she had a good idea what he was doing.
Don’t follow the news much Jeff? Guess you just like to “hang” here.
bw222 on June 26, 2009 at 10:03 AM
What’s an old hen like her doing with young kids? How old are the kids?
Heh. I don’t know if she grew up in the South, but if not, she’s learned the way–strong, loving, and if you mess with her family, she’ll gut you with a smile on her face.
What’s an old hen like her doing with young kids? How old are the kids?
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Wow, do you mean to come off sounding so mysogynistic?
highhopes on June 26, 2009 at 10:19 AM
I’m sorry, I really DON’T want to come off that way.Look, her husband is SCUM, but I’m getting SO tired of people turning these spousal victims into heroes. There’s men AND WOMEN in our armed forces every day that stare down DEATH to keep us safe. THAT’S A HERO. Not someones victim wife.
As far as “being strong”, it’s pretty easy “being strong” when your family is RICH. I’m sure she’s not worrying about how to pay next months rent. So ENOUGH of the victim/hero building.
When a woman so often stands silently next to her dirtbag cheating politician husband the opinions range from pity to derision for being a human doormat. Yet here is a woman who is not being a human doormat, who is acting in an upfront manner and yet there is all this suspician about her. Very interesting.
I guess you didn’t listen to Prager. The fact is that we don’t know. Sanford was wrong to cheat but we have no idea about the condition of their marriage and who was responsible for that condition. She could have been a shrew,
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 7:52 AM
You guessed wrong.
Prager didn’t give him a pass b/c she MIGHT be a shrew. He didn’t back up your point.
we just don’t know so claiming that she is a wonderful person with a great deal of dignity after she pulls a impromptu presser from her SUV is a little silly.
I think you can tell alot about a person by watching how they behave under pressure…certainly more than you can by looking at someone’s money sitch when they were growing up and claiming they are the type that wouldn’t be hot in bed.
Prager didn’t give him a pass b/c she MIGHT be a shrew. He didn’t back up your point.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 11:02 AM
When did I make that point? I didn’t.
I think you can tell alot about a person by watching how they behave under pressure…certainly more than you can by looking at someone’s money sitch when they were growing up and claiming they are the type that wouldn’t be hot in bed.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Again, the correct thing to do if you care about protecting your children is to not talk to the media. Do you disagree with that?
I am saying that woman can drive their husbands away and it is not right for them to cheat. I am not implicitly or explicitly saying that it is ok to cheat.
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Thanks for clarifying this position of yours.
I think it is terribly cruel for a wife to w/hold sex from her husband. I often wonder how she would feel if her husband only talked to her once a week. Or once every other week. I dare say most women would not tolerate it from their husbands. And yet, they will w/hold sex from their husbands for long spans of time w/o blinking an eye.
Yet here is a woman who is not being a human doormat, who is acting in an upfront manner and yet there is all this suspician about her. Very interesting.
peacenprosperity on June 26, 2009 at 11:00 AM
The problem is the incongruity between her stated goal of protecting her children and her willingness to talk to the press about the state of her marriage. She should have just issued the statement and then stopped commenting about the affair.
Has Mark Sanford said word one about the state of his marriage?
As far as “being strong”, it’s pretty easy “being strong” when your family is RICH. I’m sure she’s not worrying about how to pay next months rent. So ENOUGH of the victim/hero building.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 10:24 AM
You think having money cushions you from feeling the pain of infidelity?
I don’t think what she said was in any way harmful to her children.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 11:17 AM
IMHO, commenting about your husband’s affair to the media is harmful to the children. The clasy thing to do is what she did at first, issue a brief statement and leave it at that. What she did was perpetuate the story and I believe she did it to hurt her husband. Newsweek agrees.
Jeff from WI,
I saw this on another site (Palmetto Scoop, I think) and thought you’d like it added to the mix. I’m not being facetious:
INTERESTING POST from the Post and Courier
Posted by AnaLaura on June 26, 2009
“See a picture of the home breaker, she had a habit, she has been sleeping around with a powerful (and mafia) man (alberto Fernandez) from the Argentinean government, I know, I live in the US but I was born in Argentina. Heck, many argentineans, including me, we speak 5 languages, but we do not sleep around and we do not break homes.”
“This woman also slept around with the local “Ted Turner” of Buenos Aires, Daniel Haddad hired her as an informal commentator even if she had no formal training. She broke his marriage too, he had 4 or 5 kids, and when their affair came to light she was sent by his news channel to cover AFGHANISTAN, maybe Haddad’s wife ask him to do that, to get rid of this whore.
“She is a jaded divorcee and a gold-digger, a climber. Sorry mr Sanford, she “loved” you as much as she loved other “strong” men, not afraid to get close to mafia, in Argentina…”
IMHO, commenting about your husband’s affair to the media is harmful to the children. The clasy thing to do is what she did at first, issue a brief statement and leave it at that. What she did was perpetuate the story and I believe she did it to hurt her husband. Newsweek agrees.
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM
She said nothing about his affair. Only talked about what her priorities are.
I agree w/ Newsweek, she did take the high road. Has reclaimed her dignity at an extremely agonizing time in her life.
Assuming to know what her motives were is almost as foolish as your claim that b/c she was born to wealthy parents she didn’t want to please her husband in bed.
I don’t think they’ll stay together. Mark is totally in love with that girl…can’t put the genie back in the bottle. You can tell, the wife, has dealt with this subject for some time and the pain is not a fresh wound.
Who the hell wants a husband who is/was deeply in love with someone else.
I don’t think they’ll stay together. Mark is totally in love with that girl…can’t put the genie back in the bottle. You can tell, the wife, has dealt with this subject for some time and the pain is not a fresh wound.
Who the hell wants a husband who is/was deeply in love with someone else.
luvstotango on June 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM
80% of marriages survive infidelity.
He’ll get over his infactuation and realize what a complete jacka$$ he was.
The problem is the incongruity between her stated goal of protecting her children and her willingness to talk to the press about the state of her marriage. She should have just issued the statement and then stopped commenting about the affair.
The kids know all about it already. Mark made sure of that.
so much that he hasn’t bothered with American women for almost twenty years
So you aren’t an American? Or is it that you believe your ethnicity is more important then your country?
It’s amazing how the seemingly unimportant threads like this one and the jackson one give insight into what people really believe. They drop thier guards when they don’t think they are proving thier conservative credentials.
peacenprosperity on June 26, 2009 at 6:03 AM
So, in other words, according to you, I am NOT a conservative???
You better think again, a-hole. I AM a conservative woman, and a Puerto Rican, to boot.
I don’t give a rat if you question my credentials. But your tent is waaay too small for others like me to fit your narrow-minded definition, it seems.
Yes, my husband is a conservative, and he’s also white. He had enough of “dating” American women when he met me. It has been eighteen years, fourteen of them married, and then with two girls under the age of three, and he hasn’t regretted it one bit. Neither have I.
For the record: Sanford is not the first man to fall head over heels over a Latin woman, nor he will be the last. I see that every single day. We have friends who had enough of American women and found Mexican, Peruvian, Portuguese, Salvadoran, etc. women as life companions. They couldn’t be happier. The same goes for American women who choose Latin guys as their companions. I know quite a few, BTW.
It’s obvious to me that Sanford is going to drop everything he has in life for this woman. Let him be: let him resign, divorce, whatever. He will lose everything, including his kids, but maybe he’ll find some peace of some kind in the end. I’m sure Mrs. Sanford will be all the wiser after all this.
Maybe, maybe some American women have to ask themselves what is it about Latin women that attracts American men away from them in the first place. Maybe they will like to find out. I say “GO ahead and find out! You’re very welcome!”
You’re not in Kansas anymore.
But with your narrow-minded attitude, this definition of conservatives as “American whites” only, that shuts down many people like my husband and me – oh, and our children, too. Remember, they’re multiracial. No wonder so many “multiracials” are casting their lots with the Democrats!
He’ll get over his infatuation and realize what a complete jacka$$ he was.
He loved his wife once. He can love her again.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 12:11 PM
This is so very true, Marsh. My dad messed up big time with my mother. I am forever indebted to my now deceased parents that they salvaged their marriage. Indeed, had my mother not swallowed her pride and somehow summoned up some genuine forgiveness, my future, and that of my siblings, would have been sorely changed for the worse. They died with their old scars, I am sure, but managed to be quite devoted to one another.
I have experienced that old adage. There’s a lot of good in the worst of us and a lot of bad in the best of us.
Mrs. Sanford is in the same mold as my mother and I wish them both a rehabilated marriage and her children a solidified home.
She said nothing about his affair. Only talked about what her priorities are.
I agree w/ Newsweek, she did take the high road. Has reclaimed her dignity at an extremely agonizing time in her life.
Assuming to know what her motives were is almost as foolish as your claim that b/c she was born to wealthy parents she didn’t want to please her husband in bed.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM
You needed to read between the lines like the article in Newsweek stated: She reclaimed the high ground: she “put forth every possible effort to be the best wife during almost 20 years of marriage” (i.e., she did nothing to deserve this). She believes in the sanctity of marriage (he’s a cheating bastard). She is ready to forgive completely (because she’s a better person than he’ll ever be) “as long as he continues to work toward reconciliation with a true spirit of humility and repentance” (there will be hell to pay). She says she will continue to focus on raising her sons to be honorable young men (unlike their dirtbag father). She had kept the separation quiet, she said, to protect those four beautiful boys, and because of the separation, she really hadn’t a clue about where her husband was.
It was a very classy eff you to the governor. Also, when I said she came from Winnetka and surmised that she was a typical upper middle class American ice queen that was only a guess. I have no idea. But it is possible and I think you should keep an open mind to the possibility.
For the record: Sanford is not the first man to fall head over heels over a Latin woman, nor he will be the last. I see that every single day. We have friends who had enough of American women and found Mexican, Peruvian, Portuguese, Salvadoran, etc. women as life companions. They couldn’t be happier. The same goes for American women who choose Latin guys as their companions. I know quite a few, BTW.
newton on June 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM
It’s not just Latinas, almost any culture outside of the anglosphere teaches women that it is important to remain feminine. American men have the worst of both worlds- women who demand equality except when it doesn’t suit them. Of course, too many American men are chivalrous manginas who think the way to a woman’s heart is to be a doormat.
Wow, one could do a thesis using this thread! So much projection, conjecture, anger, bitterness going on. I’ve learned a great deal about those posting here, I believe.
For the record, I don’t know what kind of relationship the Sanfords had. I know she’s worked hard on his career, as he also has. I do not approve of the way he trashed his family in this affair. One can always act with dignity and do the right thing. He chose not to do that. I’ve lost respect for him.
zeebeach on June 26, 2009 at 8:52 AM
Wow, you can say THAT again. Serious “issues” coming out on this thread!
Actually it’s fun to rattle cages. Blame the wife in some convoluted way in here..stand back and watch the fireworks.
But the Ms Sanford Admiration Society Meeting was a bit much.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 8:51 AM
Was pretty sure already you were just a troll, thanks for clearing that up.
This is so very true, Marsh. My dad messed up big time with my mother. I am forever indebted to my now deceased parents that they salvaged their marriage. Indeed, had my mother not swallowed her pride and somehow summoned up some genuine forgiveness, my future, and that of my siblings, would have been sorely changed for the worse. They died with their old scars, I am sure, but managed to be quite devoted to one another.
I have experienced that old adage. There’s a lot of good in the worst of us and a lot of bad in the best of us.
Mrs. Sanford is in the same mold as my mother and I wish them both a rehabilated marriage and her children a solidified home.
marybel on June 26, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Thank you for sharing that w/ me…w/ all of us.
Yes, we live in a fallen world, but thank goodness there is redemption and forgiveness… and people like your mother who are willing to offer forgiveness so that they might further protect/bless their children.
It’s not just Latinas, almost any culture outside of the anglosphere teaches women that it is important to remain feminine. American men have the worst of both worlds- women who demand equality except when it doesn’t suit them. Of course, too many American men are chivalrous manginas who think the way to a woman’s heart is to be a doormat.
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Want to know what women want? What their most deepest desire is?
They want to feel as though they are the most important person to you. This desire is universal. It doesn’t matter where she is from.
They want to hear you tell them they are special TO YOU in words and deeds. The best way to convey this to them is to spend time listening to them.
I’ll admit that men have the more difficult job. It takes far less time to please a man than it does a woman. But, as any happily married man will tell you, a happy wife is worth every effort he puts into it.
You want a woman to respect you? Admire you? Give herself ENTHUSIASTICALLY to you in bed?
Good for her. The answer she gave to questions was spot on. Fight for your marriage and your family and your kids as hard as you can. I don’t envy her situation, and Sanford is a crapweasel for doing this to her, but she’s right to fight to save her marriage. That has got to be hard.
She should have just issued the statement and then stopped commenting about the affair.
Actually she wasn’t commenting on the affair and if you go back and listen to it her answers were discreet and respectful and should actually help sanford if in fact he is sorrowful and repentent. She did a good job. She was surrounded and could have rolled up the window and drove through them like a scared submissive little spouse but she didn’t. She was impressive.
He had enough of “dating” American women when he met me.
You stuck your foot in your mouth again, and it’s obvious you have a big mouth and probably big feet as well. You identify yourself first and foremost by your race. You have stated clearly and adamantly, that to you, being hispanic and being American are two different things. That’s your perogative. But that’s not a conservative position.
Wait a second! You’re sonia sotomayor! Holy cow! Right here at HA! We have a celebrity! I’m sorry if we “Americans” (white people by your definition) are not as beautiful or sensitive as you, you racist slob.
I do have one question. If he would have to spend the rest of his life with, what we know will be, a very vindictive wife, yet the mistress is supposedly a looker, why in Gods name would he go back to his wife for a life of hell?
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 7:38 AM
Uh huh … your 36-year marriage must be a real joy. Er … how do you “know” she is “very vindictive” and it will be “hell”?
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flashoverride on June 26, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Here’s my last best stab at this. I do have work to do today.
Married people have a unique set of implicit and explicit obligations to one another. All the choices either one makes has reciprocal repercussions on the relationship. (Think of it as two people in a canoe)
As life goes on, each partner changes, has stuff happen that makes them happy, sad, glad…and it always affects the other person. (The canoe gets tippy). When a mature husband (or wife) is unhappy, feels unappreciated, or is just bummed, it’s his (or her) obligation to talk to his spouse. It’s a marital obligation to lovingly listen and, if he/she’s unhappy with something he/she is doing or not doing, try to change his/her bahaviors. (This helps to reset the listing canoe) And this goes both ways, okay?
Life gets hectic…work, kids, paying the rent, balancing the checkbook, etc. Through it all, a married couple have to retain a unique sensitivity to each other’s needs and expectations, which isn’t at all easy, in order to have an enduring, satisfying relationship. (This canoe stuff isn’t easy)
While, as Dennis Prager says, none of us know who or when or why this relationship stopped being well managed, we all know by the results that this sensitivity fell apart.
Usually one partner (or maybe even both) gets to feeling really shortchanged. (Uh oh, the canoe is really whacked now)
At this point, there needs to be some sort of intervention, shake on the shoulder, stay up all night, super honest profound exchange of what I think of as saying “OUCH” really loud. (Honey, I’m about to fall into the water. Help!)
The big ouch may not have happened in this relationship. Or it may have happened and the reaction was a big shrug. At that point, the unhappy partner needs to push for counseling. At this point, (there’s still Marsh’s 50/50 responsibility going) it can be a real marriage saver.
However, when one or both spouses choose, perhaps unconsciously, to take the easy way out and confide and bond with someone else (of the opposite sex), the marriage goes downhill really fast. (I’m not saying anything, honey, but I’m not paddling anymore) One thing leads to another, and poof, it’s a full fledged affair. “It just happened!” Actually not, there were quite a few choices made, mostly poor. Counseling after this is a lot less successful, for obvious reasons. While two can “tango” (manage the canoe), three really makes a mess of it.
Canoe analogies aside for the moment, however it came down for the Sanfords, it is obvious that the governor brought the third party into the mix. He was 100% responsible for that. (think: Marsh, above). He may have “felt” driven to it, he may have been depressed about his job, the wife may have seemed too preoccupied for him to say Ouch. But it was nevertheless his obligation to make himself heard, get this cleared up or get a divorce BEFORE he started confiding in another woman. THAT’s a slippery, dangerous slope.
Marriage is a learned skill, just as is double canoeing. Most people don’t know this at the beginning. Many marriages fail not so much because people “fall out of love,” they are often just inept learners.
marybel on June 26th, 2009 at 9:12 am
marybel on June 26, 2009 at 9:20 AM
My personal feeling: it he was somehow dissatisfied in the “love and support” department, he had an obligation to communicate that to his wife. By going out and slipping around, he proved himself to be sleaze. I thought she was very classy in her response. My husband has a “project” truck that he loves more than life. First think that would happen to him is that all his clothes, fishing gear, guns, and such would go up in flames in his precious truck and melt his 33″ mud tires.
TXMomof3 on June 26, 2009 at 9:24 AM
What a charming, gracious lady. It is too bad her husband is a scumball.
Laura in Maryland on June 26, 2009 at 9:25 AM
think=thing
TXMomof3 on June 26, 2009 at 9:27 AM
My only question is, was she really gullible enough to believe that trail hiking story, because that one is moronic.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM
I guess we found out where Mark S. real strength came from.
The bad news is the idiot news people jamming microphones in her face with the kids in the car…hey this is more trauma for the kids.
right2bright on June 26, 2009 at 9:39 AM
As I have told you before…read and do just a little research.
She knew he was going South…she knew exactly where he was and with whom.
She had known about the affair for several months and was trying to work things out, but finally told him to get out and make a decision.
right2bright on June 26, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Please include my entire quote when you are quoting me. What you are doing is taking my words out of context and making assumptions about them so I sought to clarify. Here I go again.
I am saying that woman can drive their husbands away and it is not right for them to cheat. I am not implicitly or explicitly saying that it is ok to cheat.
I guessed you are a woman because I most I have known have the ability to recall conversations from the past to try and catch me in a contradiction. For example, “But you said five years ago that such and such was ok.” ;-)
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Heh. I don’t know if she grew up in the South, but if not, she’s learned the way–strong, loving, and if you mess with her family, she’ll gut you with a smile on her face.
juliesa on June 26, 2009 at 9:44 AM
I guess we found out where Mark S. real strength came from.The bad news is the idiot news people jamming microphones in her face with the kids in the car…hey this is more trauma for the kids.
right2bright on June 26, 2009 at 9:39 AM
She’s 47 years old, the “kids” can get out and BUY a car.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Jenny Sanford is one CLASS ACT !!!
IKIDYOUNOT on June 26, 2009 at 10:03 AM
She may be 47 but the kids are quite young, so driving isn’t the answer. Also, Jenny tossed Mark out of the house five weeks ago, so I’m sure she had a good idea what he was doing.
Don’t follow the news much Jeff? Guess you just like to “hang” here.
bw222 on June 26, 2009 at 10:03 AM
She’s the Princess Di of the Carolinas
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 10:04 AM
She’s 47 years old, the “kids” can get out and BUY a car.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 9:44 AM
What’s an old hen like her doing with young kids? How old are the kids?
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 10:06 AM
bw222 on June 26, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Actually, I don’t read the gossip columns so I wouldn’t know about someones married love life.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Well played, lady, well played.
She’s got her priorities straight. Good on her.
LimeyGeek on June 26, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Wow, just looked her up…Kids ARE young. Has a bio on her, calls her “COLD”…Hmm.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 10:14 AM
As I said earlier
Friendly21 on June 26, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Wow, do you mean to come off sounding so mysogynistic?
highhopes on June 26, 2009 at 10:19 AM
LOL
SO true.
inviolet on June 26, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Well, what she needs to be is the Lorenna Bobbit of Charleston.
highhopes on June 26, 2009 at 10:20 AM
I’m sorry, I really DON’T want to come off that way.Look, her husband is SCUM, but I’m getting SO tired of people turning these spousal victims into heroes. There’s men AND WOMEN in our armed forces every day that stare down DEATH to keep us safe. THAT’S A HERO. Not someones victim wife.
As far as “being strong”, it’s pretty easy “being strong” when your family is RICH. I’m sure she’s not worrying about how to pay next months rent. So ENOUGH of the victim/hero building.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 10:24 AM
S
ROFLMAO Agreed!
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Wow.
Count to 10 on June 26, 2009 at 10:44 AM
When a woman so often stands silently next to her dirtbag cheating politician husband the opinions range from pity to derision for being a human doormat. Yet here is a woman who is not being a human doormat, who is acting in an upfront manner and yet there is all this suspician about her. Very interesting.
peacenprosperity on June 26, 2009 at 11:00 AM
I guess you didn’t listen to Prager. The fact is that we don’t know. Sanford was wrong to cheat but we have no idea about the condition of their marriage and who was responsible for that condition. She could have been a shrew,
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 7:52 AM
You guessed wrong.
Prager didn’t give him a pass b/c she MIGHT be a shrew. He didn’t back up your point.
we just don’t know so claiming that she is a wonderful person with a great deal of dignity after she pulls a impromptu presser from her SUV is a little silly.
I think you can tell alot about a person by watching how they behave under pressure…certainly more than you can by looking at someone’s money sitch when they were growing up and claiming they are the type that wouldn’t be hot in bed.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 11:02 AM
When did I make that point? I didn’t.
Again, the correct thing to do if you care about protecting your children is to not talk to the media. Do you disagree with that?
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 11:12 AM
I am saying that woman can drive their husbands away and it is not right for them to cheat. I am not implicitly or explicitly saying that it is ok to cheat.
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Thanks for clarifying this position of yours.
I think it is terribly cruel for a wife to w/hold sex from her husband. I often wonder how she would feel if her husband only talked to her once a week. Or once every other week. I dare say most women would not tolerate it from their husbands. And yet, they will w/hold sex from their husbands for long spans of time w/o blinking an eye.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Poor lady. She’s trying so hard to be strong for her kids right now.
TheUnrepentantGeek on June 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM
The problem is the incongruity between her stated goal of protecting her children and her willingness to talk to the press about the state of her marriage. She should have just issued the statement and then stopped commenting about the affair.
Has Mark Sanford said word one about the state of his marriage?
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 11:15 AM
We can agree on that. Ignoring your spouse is cruelty.
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Again, the correct thing to do if you care about protecting your children is to not talk to the media. Do you disagree with that?
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 11:12 AM
I don’t think what she said was in any way harmful to her children.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 11:17 AM
As far as “being strong”, it’s pretty easy “being strong” when your family is RICH. I’m sure she’s not worrying about how to pay next months rent. So ENOUGH of the victim/hero building.
Jeff from WI on June 26, 2009 at 10:24 AM
You think having money cushions you from feeling the pain of infidelity?
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 11:22 AM
IMHO, commenting about your husband’s affair to the media is harmful to the children. The clasy thing to do is what she did at first, issue a brief statement and leave it at that. What she did was perpetuate the story and I believe she did it to hurt her husband. Newsweek agrees.
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Class. Apparently plenty it.
watson007 on June 26, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Jeff from WI,
I saw this on another site (Palmetto Scoop, I think) and thought you’d like it added to the mix. I’m not being facetious:
INTERESTING POST from the Post and Courier
Posted by AnaLaura on June 26, 2009
“See a picture of the home breaker, she had a habit, she has been sleeping around with a powerful (and mafia) man (alberto Fernandez) from the Argentinean government, I know, I live in the US but I was born in Argentina. Heck, many argentineans, including me, we speak 5 languages, but we do not sleep around and we do not break homes.”
“This woman also slept around with the local “Ted Turner” of Buenos Aires, Daniel Haddad hired her as an informal commentator even if she had no formal training. She broke his marriage too, he had 4 or 5 kids, and when their affair came to light she was sent by his news channel to cover AFGHANISTAN, maybe Haddad’s wife ask him to do that, to get rid of this whore.
“She is a jaded divorcee and a gold-digger, a climber. Sorry mr Sanford, she “loved” you as much as she loved other “strong” men, not afraid to get close to mafia, in Argentina…”
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2009/jun/26/mystery_woman_vigorous_athletic87333/
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Video: Maria Belen Chapur
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/747/story/800761.html
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marybel on June 26, 2009 at 11:48 AM
A very classy woman. Strong faith and beauty-internally and externally. Stay strong Ms. S.
CynicalOptimist on June 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM
IMHO, commenting about your husband’s affair to the media is harmful to the children. The clasy thing to do is what she did at first, issue a brief statement and leave it at that. What she did was perpetuate the story and I believe she did it to hurt her husband. Newsweek agrees.
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM
She said nothing about his affair. Only talked about what her priorities are.
I agree w/ Newsweek, she did take the high road. Has reclaimed her dignity at an extremely agonizing time in her life.
Assuming to know what her motives were is almost as foolish as your claim that b/c she was born to wealthy parents she didn’t want to please her husband in bed.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM
I don’t think they’ll stay together. Mark is totally in love with that girl…can’t put the genie back in the bottle. You can tell, the wife, has dealt with this subject for some time and the pain is not a fresh wound.
Who the hell wants a husband who is/was deeply in love with someone else.
luvstotango on June 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM
marybel on June 26, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Interesting find, Marybel.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM
I don’t think they’ll stay together. Mark is totally in love with that girl…can’t put the genie back in the bottle. You can tell, the wife, has dealt with this subject for some time and the pain is not a fresh wound.
Who the hell wants a husband who is/was deeply in love with someone else.
luvstotango on June 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM
80% of marriages survive infidelity.
He’ll get over his infactuation and realize what a complete jacka$$ he was.
He loved his wife once. He can love her again.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Hey, I like her. Maybe she’ll go into politics.
AnninCA on June 26, 2009 at 12:16 PM
The kids know all about it already. Mark made sure of that.
AnninCA on June 26, 2009 at 12:18 PM
A British lady named Diana Spencer should have asked herself the exact same question.
newton on June 26, 2009 at 12:18 PM
So, in other words, according to you, I am NOT a conservative???
You better think again, a-hole. I AM a conservative woman, and a Puerto Rican, to boot.
I don’t give a rat if you question my credentials. But your tent is waaay too small for others like me to fit your narrow-minded definition, it seems.
Yes, my husband is a conservative, and he’s also white. He had enough of “dating” American women when he met me. It has been eighteen years, fourteen of them married, and then with two girls under the age of three, and he hasn’t regretted it one bit. Neither have I.
For the record: Sanford is not the first man to fall head over heels over a Latin woman, nor he will be the last. I see that every single day. We have friends who had enough of American women and found Mexican, Peruvian, Portuguese, Salvadoran, etc. women as life companions. They couldn’t be happier. The same goes for American women who choose Latin guys as their companions. I know quite a few, BTW.
It’s obvious to me that Sanford is going to drop everything he has in life for this woman. Let him be: let him resign, divorce, whatever. He will lose everything, including his kids, but maybe he’ll find some peace of some kind in the end. I’m sure Mrs. Sanford will be all the wiser after all this.
Maybe, maybe some American women have to ask themselves what is it about Latin women that attracts American men away from them in the first place. Maybe they will like to find out. I say “GO ahead and find out! You’re very welcome!”
You’re not in Kansas anymore.
But with your narrow-minded attitude, this definition of conservatives as “American whites” only, that shuts down many people like my husband and me – oh, and our children, too. Remember, they’re multiracial. No wonder so many “multiracials” are casting their lots with the Democrats!
newton on June 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM
He’ll get over his infatuation and realize what a complete jacka$$ he was.
He loved his wife once. He can love her again.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 12:11 PM
This is so very true, Marsh. My dad messed up big time with my mother. I am forever indebted to my now deceased parents that they salvaged their marriage. Indeed, had my mother not swallowed her pride and somehow summoned up some genuine forgiveness, my future, and that of my siblings, would have been sorely changed for the worse. They died with their old scars, I am sure, but managed to be quite devoted to one another.
I have experienced that old adage. There’s a lot of good in the worst of us and a lot of bad in the best of us.
Mrs. Sanford is in the same mold as my mother and I wish them both a rehabilated marriage and her children a solidified home.
marybel on June 26, 2009 at 12:56 PM
You needed to read between the lines like the article in Newsweek stated: She reclaimed the high ground: she “put forth every possible effort to be the best wife during almost 20 years of marriage” (i.e., she did nothing to deserve this). She believes in the sanctity of marriage (he’s a cheating bastard). She is ready to forgive completely (because she’s a better person than he’ll ever be) “as long as he continues to work toward reconciliation with a true spirit of humility and repentance” (there will be hell to pay). She says she will continue to focus on raising her sons to be honorable young men (unlike their dirtbag father). She had kept the separation quiet, she said, to protect those four beautiful boys, and because of the separation, she really hadn’t a clue about where her husband was.
It was a very classy eff you to the governor. Also, when I said she came from Winnetka and surmised that she was a typical upper middle class American ice queen that was only a guess. I have no idea. But it is possible and I think you should keep an open mind to the possibility.
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 1:51 PM
It’s not just Latinas, almost any culture outside of the anglosphere teaches women that it is important to remain feminine. American men have the worst of both worlds- women who demand equality except when it doesn’t suit them. Of course, too many American men are chivalrous manginas who think the way to a woman’s heart is to be a doormat.
Bill C on June 26, 2009 at 2:02 PM
I don’t know. The more I watch her the more I think that if I were married to her I’d be off in Argentina boinking a girlfriend.
pabarge on June 26, 2009 at 2:04 PM
She rocks!
EarthToZoey on June 26, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Wow, one could do a thesis using this thread! So much projection, conjecture, anger, bitterness going on. I’ve learned a great deal about those posting here, I believe.
Wow, you can say THAT again. Serious “issues” coming out on this thread!
kg598301 on June 26, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Was pretty sure already you were just a troll, thanks for clearing that up.
kg598301 on June 26, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Sanford had more woman than he deserved right in his home.
Herb on June 26, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Thank you for sharing that w/ me…w/ all of us.
Yes, we live in a fallen world, but thank goodness there is redemption and forgiveness… and people like your mother who are willing to offer forgiveness so that they might further protect/bless their children.
What a wonderful example she set before you!
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 4:26 PM
No, I don’t.
The “between the lines” is nothing more then the writer’s impression of what she “really” meant or how her words could be interpretated.
That’s an interesting opinion, but nothing more than that.
Yes, it was only a guess. Nothing more than that.
Why would I need to keep an open mind about the possibility that your GUESS might be correct?
You’ve already stated that even if she were an ice queen, that still wouldn’t justify his adultery. So what would be the point?
I’ve heard women try to justify their adultery b/c their husbands were lousy lovers and put their work ahead of them.
This kind of blame shifting is BS no matter which sex is spouting it.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Want to know what women want? What their most deepest desire is?
They want to feel as though they are the most important person to you. This desire is universal. It doesn’t matter where she is from.
They want to hear you tell them they are special TO YOU in words and deeds. The best way to convey this to them is to spend time listening to them.
I’ll admit that men have the more difficult job. It takes far less time to please a man than it does a woman. But, as any happily married man will tell you, a happy wife is worth every effort he puts into it.
You want a woman to respect you? Admire you? Give herself ENTHUSIASTICALLY to you in bed?
Meet her deepest love need.
Marsh on June 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Good for her. The answer she gave to questions was spot on. Fight for your marriage and your family and your kids as hard as you can. I don’t envy her situation, and Sanford is a crapweasel for doing this to her, but she’s right to fight to save her marriage. That has got to be hard.
PersonalLiberty on June 26, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Actually she wasn’t commenting on the affair and if you go back and listen to it her answers were discreet and respectful and should actually help sanford if in fact he is sorrowful and repentent. She did a good job. She was surrounded and could have rolled up the window and drove through them like a scared submissive little spouse but she didn’t. She was impressive.
peacenprosperity on June 26, 2009 at 6:01 PM
I urge you not to engage imbeciles here. They crave affirmation – deny them.
Jaibones on June 26, 2009 at 6:08 PM
You stuck your foot in your mouth again, and it’s obvious you have a big mouth and probably big feet as well. You identify yourself first and foremost by your race. You have stated clearly and adamantly, that to you, being hispanic and being American are two different things. That’s your perogative. But that’s not a conservative position.
Wait a second! You’re sonia sotomayor! Holy cow! Right here at HA! We have a celebrity! I’m sorry if we “Americans” (white people by your definition) are not as beautiful or sensitive as you, you racist slob.
peacenprosperity on June 26, 2009 at 6:10 PM
Uh huh … your 36-year marriage must be a real joy. Er … how do you “know” she is “very vindictive” and it will be “hell”?
Jaibones on June 26, 2009 at 6:13 PM
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