Obama’s Michael Dukakis moment

posted at 9:28 am on June 25, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama got ABC to move their news division into the White House in order to make the big pitch for his egalitarian, everyone-gets-treated-equally ObamaCare push.  Instead, Obama fumbled into a Michael Dukakis moment that exposed him as a hypocrite.  ABC itself leads with Obama’s response that he wouldn’t stay within his own plan for his family:

President Obama struggled to explain today whether his health care reform proposals would force normal Americans to make sacrifices that wealthier, more powerful people — like the president himself — wouldn’t face.

The probing questions came from two skeptical neurologists during ABC News’ special on health care reform, “Questions for the President: Prescription for America,” anchored from the White House by Diane Sawyer and Charles Gibson.

Dr. Orrin Devinsky, a neurologist and researcher at the New York University Langone Medical Center, said that elites often propose health care solutions that limit options for the general public, secure in the knowledge that if they or their loves ones get sick, they will be able to afford the best care available, even if it’s not provided by insurance.

Devinsky asked the president pointedly if he would be willing to promise that he wouldn’t seek such extraordinary help for his wife or daughters if they became sick and the public plan he’s proposing limited the tests or treatment they can get.

The president refused to make such a pledge, though he allowed that if “it’s my family member, if it’s my wife, if it’s my children, if it’s my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.["]

Oopsie!  So ObamaCare for thee, but not for me?  Hope and change, baby!

In 1988, Michael Dukakis blew a question about the death penalty when asked about whether he’d want it if his wife Kitty had been raped and murdered.  Dukakis said no, but addressed it clinical legalese rather than absorbing the opportunity to address the emotional impact of violent crime, and his candidacy cratered.  In this case, Obama did a reverse Dukakis.  He went with the emotional argument, and effectively rebutted his own proposal and its egalitarian purpose.  It’s a moment of sheer hypocrisy, caught in the modern amber of video.

If ObamaCare isn’t good enough for Sasha, Malia, or Michelle, then it’s not good enough for America.  Instead of fighting that impulse, Obama should be working to boost the private sector to encourage more care providers, less red tape and expense, and better care for everyone.

Update: RCP has the video of the exchange.


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How many people watched this stupid thing? Anybody have the numbers?

ErinF on June 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM

In a nationally televised event at the White House, Obama said families need better information so they don’t unthinkingly approve “additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care.”

You are not a physician, you idiot. And we have our own personal doctors to provide that information. We can seek second opinions. We are offered choices that we can reject. ObamaCare will deny people all that.

He added: “Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller.”

Obama said he has personal familiarity with such a dilemma. His grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given less than nine months to live, he said.

She fell and broke her hip, “and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?”

A hip replacement is also palliative care, Dr. Obama, which you want to deny people. You just can’t jack people up on drugs unless you want them to be snowed and quicken their death. And if they develop a tolerance to the pain med, you just can’t give them more. Oh, wait…you can euthanasize them. Cuts costs.

Blake on June 25, 2009 at 11:18 AM

ERRRRR I didnt. I was a bit busy brading my butt hairs.
In reality I am more caught up in the Iran issue.
Obama is MIA on that one and pushing his BS.
Just call your senator EVERY day and tell them NO NO NO NO NO.
if enough of us do that , it wont fly, but if we do nothing he will get it past.

ColdWarrior57 on June 25, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Canadian healthcare blows.
It’s the best in the world – as long as you don’t get sick.

And only a small percentage of people get really sick, so the majority of Canadians are quite happy about their lack of health care.

NoDonkey on June 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Most of us don’t realize how bad it is unless we’re among the millions who don’t have access to a family physician.

Here are a few of the recent experiences in my family:

Time to get an appointment with a cardiologist after exhibiting serious symptoms – 2.5 months (although instantaneous if you have a heart attack – and are lucky enough to survive it)

Time to get an appointment with a urologist after having a lot of blood in urine for two months – 7 weeks

Time to get an MRI with a preliminary diagnosis of a tumour in a gland in the neck – 6 months

Time to get an appointment with a orthopedist after having an immobilized shoulder for 4 months – 6-12 months

Duration of hospital stay for elderly person with cracked pelvis – 9 hours, most of which were spent waiting for tests and diagnosis. Discharged immediately after diagnosis into the care of 87 year old spouse.

It’s appalling.

ProfessorMiao on June 25, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Palin 2012 campaign add ammo.

Keep sendin us the rope for your noose Hollow Man.

That remark is another 1% down in Rasmussen.

Thanks, moron.

Sapwolf on June 25, 2009 at 11:20 AM

This guy’s dangerous and a fool.

Blake on June 25, 2009 at 11:20 AM

How many people watched this stupid thing? Anybody have the numbers?

ErinF on June 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM

How irritated the filthy liar in the White House must be that an idiot governor’s affair is sucking up all the air? Sanford was all that was being talked about on radio this morning. Bad for Sanford but even worse for Obama that a day’s worth of propaganda (with no more detail than before) was essentially a waste of time.

highhopes on June 25, 2009 at 11:25 AM

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Animal Farm
George Orwell

ErpichtAuf on June 25, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Who knows why they switch, though I would say greed and the pressure to reduce costs play a factor. But time after time, that’s what happened. Look at Florida’s property insurance industry. State-run insurance at lower cost ended up forcing State Farm, the largest property insurer in the state, to stop writing policies there because they couldn’t compete with the government. Thousands of people switched to the cheaper government option. And since the state insurance fund is underfunded, when there’s a hurricane, those people will be waiting for checks for months, if not years. Think they’ll miss State Farm’s army of insurance adjusters then? Most people factor weigh the short-term benefit too high, and the long-term benefits too low.

This is really interesting, because that’s the exact argument that many make for government regulation. The free market doesn’t always work, specifically in instances where people or businesses are short-sighted. That’s why the government creates incentives for retirement savings, for example. Ideally, everyone makes their own choices about retirement savings with the need for government shifting the scales, but the reality is that people aren’t good at long-term savings, and nudging people toward retirement savings is probably a good thing. (Note: I am absolutely not supporting social security here, that’s completely different.)

Those who argue for universal health care also use this line of reasoning. Many people don’t want to spend money on primary care, and often they end up accruing much larger costs down the road because they didn’t seek preventative care. One of the arguments behind the Massachusetts system was that the billions of dollars that were spent on uninsured who were using the ER instead of their primary care physician would be saved.

The same arguments are also made with respect to the economy. Wall Street bankers and CEOsmay be very good at maximizing profits over a future horizon of a couple years, but they may not take enough care to avoid a catastrophic failure, which is why many argue for deregulation.

I’m not saying these arguments are necessarily correct, just that they are usually used to argue for *more* government regulation to protect long-term interests or manage risk, not less intervention. I know that the examples you gave were in support of less intervention, but the ones I gave are in support of more. I’m not sure which si the right answer in all cases, which is why I generally tend to think that neither extreme is obviously the best and that both sides may have a convincing argument. If you accept the reasoning you gave, you should explain why it doesn’t call for more government regulation in other cases.

tneloms on June 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM

I didn’t catch the infomercial. Did Charley Gibson wear his spectacles, and did he wear them on the tip of his nose?
Maybe Obama should hire Billy Mays for his infomercials.

docshund on June 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Combine this gem with his having us taxed for our employer insurance and you get a minus 3% in Rasmussen.

Sapwolf on June 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Ahmadinejad has his own Sanford McGreevey moment.

Mr. Joe on June 25, 2009 at 11:28 AM

ABC’s headline is astonishing. Not “Obama Would Not Use Own Health Plan,” but “Obama Defends Right to Choose Best Care”! Yeah–for him, you elitist, quisling bastards.

Blacklake on June 25, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Canadian healthcare blows.
It’s the best in the world – as long as you don’t get sick.

And only a small percentage of people get really sick, so the majority of Canadians are quite happy about their lack of health care.

NoDonkey on June 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Even moonbats I’ve battled with for years have admitted that they have had to wait for 9 months for surgery and it sucked. Someone here posted that they injured their wrist and had a long delay before he could have surgery which resulted in nerve damage and a lost of 85% use of his wrist. I heard a woman on the radio complain that she had a brain tumor and could not get in to see a surgeon for months and finally came to the US for treatment. If she had waited she would at best she would have gone blind or worse, died.

And I assure you that almost everyone is going to get sick eventually in their life and need serious care.

Blake on June 25, 2009 at 11:30 AM

State-run media will put this down the memory hole as fast as possible.

The Dukakis analogy is most apt.

But I also compare it to the images of people leaping out of windows in the man-made disaster of 9-11. The image itself is so utterly damning, it’s impossible for any fair minded person to have mercy on the perpetrator.

Similarly, Obama deserves no forgiveness for outlandish double standard.

But he’ll never, ever be criticized by State-run media.

Sad but true.

jeff_from_mpls on June 25, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Duration of hospital stay for elderly person with cracked pelvis – 9 hours, most of which were spent waiting for tests and diagnosis. Discharged immediately after diagnosis into the care of 87 year old spouse.

It’s appalling.

ProfessorMiao on June 25, 2009 at 11:20 AM

That is heartbreaking! My 89-year-old father is recuperating from a fall that broke his femur. He spent 4 days in the hospital, a week in a rehab center, and is now in a convalescent care facility that is great. Medicare paid for some of it but he has a good supplemental policy that is paying for most of it. Medicare only paid for two days in the hospital and two days in the rehab center. But even that is better than 9 hours! Sheesh!

rockmom on June 25, 2009 at 11:33 AM

I didn’t catch the infomercial. Did Charley Gibson wear his spectacles, and did he wear them on the tip of his nose?

docshund on June 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM

I heard he wore a pearl necklace.

rockmom on June 25, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Let them eat cake.

/and that ended well.

Sefton on June 25, 2009 at 10:25 AM

No. Cake will have to be taxed to high heaven or declared illegal as it contributes to obesity. Only government provided “health patties” and ample doses of Kool-Aid will be allowed.

red winger on June 25, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Barack Obama is a very arrogant man.

carbon_footprint on June 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM

SHOCKER! UNINSURED NOT JAMMING EMERGENCY ROOMS

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91258

“It’s not the uninsured who burden America’s emergency rooms so much as it is people who are carrying government insurance policies,” he said. “The low reimbursement rates offered doctors by government programs means very few will accept taxpayer-funded insurance any more, leaving those on government plans to visit ERs for care instead of primary-care physicians.”

izoneguy on June 25, 2009 at 10:35 AM

For those on the government plans and the underinsureded and the uninsured -Every major city, most minor cities, and even some small communities have clinics for set up to handle regular visits for check-ups, immunizations, minor illness. There are regional facilities for major illnesses & testing, specialist, etc.

But we can set up all the clinics – we can set up buses to get people there – heck we even pay for a cab ride but we can’t force people to go. Folks treat the ER like it’s their personal Dr’s office. When you take money from the government you go to the clinic, you don’t get to choose your personal physician …. or you do an end run around the clinic & you go to the ER. The wait can be shorter in the ER, you pick the time you want to go, it’s not like you have to pay for it anyway. Obamacare will only make this problem worse.

batterup on June 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM

How many people watched this stupid thing? Anybody have the numbers?

ErinF on June 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM

I’d be interested to know, too. Wasting my time on his socialist propaganda isn’t my bad, but maybe the sheep all tuned in?

Jaibones on June 25, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Barack Obama is a very arrogant man.

carbon_footprint on June 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Outwardly, yes. But deep down I think he knows he’s a brainless twit, and he just thinks it’s funny that people project all sorts of wisdom onto him.

Jaibones on June 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Once again this just proves beyond a doubt that he feels he`s above the rest of us minions, err I mean citizens.I wish there was a report somewhere with actual number of Doctors and Nurses working in US from Canada. Its very telling when large numbers of a certain profession relocate outside of their own country. The stories we hear are widespread and negative.

LSUMama on June 25, 2009 at 11:44 AM

But this is just general criticism of universal health care and Obama’s plan. It has nothing to do with his answer in this post. That answer implied that those who can afford it will always have access to the best health care.

You might think that’s not true, and you might think it will be a disaster for all sorts of reasons, but that doesn’t make this answer a Dukakis moment. On the contrary, it promises something that conservatives want.

tneloms on June 25, 2009 at 10:52 AM

You aren’t really listening, and you do not appear to understand conservatism.

Contrary to your clear opinion, while conservatives do believe that individuals should have to pay for what they get, conservatives emphatically do not want the government to intervene in any market to such an extent that only the very wealthy can afford decent service.

That is what ObamaCare will do to healthcare in the US. Subsidized government insurance will drive private insurers out of the market, and mandated lower payments will drive existing and particularly prospective doctors into other professions.

It is a Dukakis moment because Obama tacitly admitted that his intervention would create a system so bad that he would not use it for himself or his family.

Troll Feeder on June 25, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Once again this just proves beyond a doubt that he feels he`s above the rest of us minions, err I mean citizens.I wish there was a report somewhere with actual number of Doctors and Nurses working in US from Canada. Its very telling when large numbers of a certain profession relocate outside of their own country. The stories we hear are widespread and negative.

LSUMama on June 25, 2009 at 11:44 AM

No, what it really proves is that for Obama this is all just a cynical exercise in raw political power. He has never thought through the real-world consequences of what he is proposing, because that isn’t the point. He could not care less about actual Americans and their health care. This is 100% about politics, about expanding the size and reach of government and creating more government employees and union members who will vote for Democrats and generate more union dollars for their campaigns.

rockmom on June 25, 2009 at 11:48 AM

…the government creates incentives for retirement savings, for example. Ideally, everyone makes their own choices…

tneloms on June 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Incentive v. Takeover.

So why aren’t you advocating a plan that incentivizes positive personal choices instead of government takeover of a non-failed industry that will facilitate the government intrusion into the most intimate and personal choices in a citizens life?

batterup on June 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

The older and grouchier Gibson gets, the more he reminds me of Walter.

http://videos.sapo.pt/8zbME9EK2lnJ1WdMDlyZ

Exit question, I know why Walter is grouchy, by whose hand is up Gibson’s butt?

Laura in Maryland on June 25, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Get this son of a b!tch out of office A.S.A.P.

BillaryMcBush on June 25, 2009 at 11:51 AM

and he just thinks it’s funny that people project all sorts of wisdom onto him.

Jaibones on June 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM

they just project all sorts of wisdom onto the black side of him. People use Obama to expiate their sins, and he enjoys punishing them. So the guilt at being a flake is kept in check. Doesn’t matter, he’s a mass of contradictions for a variety of reasons, and will unravel sooner or later.

JiangxiDad on June 25, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Outwardly, yes. But deep down I think he knows he’s a brainless twit, and he just thinks it’s funny that people project all sorts of wisdom onto him.

Jaibones on June 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Nah, he is a high functioning incompetent narcissist. He really believes he is a fracking genius. I’ve worked with people like this. They never do any real work but always have an excuse why they didn’t get it done and why they should instead be doing something more important and higher-level. They bullshit their way into promotions and when their incompetence becomes obvious they bullshit their way into another one.

Obama believes he was born to run the world and anything else is beneath his staggering abilities. He’s been promoted all his life by affirmative action and waltzed into the White House thanks to George Bush’s failures, and now he thinks he can do anything. He surrounds himself with sycophants who won’t tell him he is actually a moron.

rockmom on June 25, 2009 at 11:54 AM

rockmom on June 25, 2009 at 11:48 AM

I can`t argue with you bc I know you are right .I just hope there is some way to turn the tide around. Between cap and trade, the health bill and possibly another stimulas we are going to be bankrupt.

LSUMama on June 25, 2009 at 11:57 AM

rockmom on June 25, 2009 at 11:54 AM

you treat narcissists, or work with them? If the former, I’m just wondering if/when/how they implode, especially insofar as Obama is reaching that grand reckoning of 50. It’s hard for anyone to keep a fractured personality intact after 50, imo.

JiangxiDad on June 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM

The GOP needs to get this exchange in an ad and run it 27/7.

“Obama wants you to have health care that he doesn’t think is good enough for his own family”

Not everyday Republicans get ammo like this- question is, do they have the good sense to use it?

Jay Mac on June 25, 2009 at 12:01 PM

It’s hard for anyone to keep a fractured personality intact after 50, imo.

JiangxiDad on June 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Don`t they just increase meds? Funny but sad.

LSUMama on June 25, 2009 at 12:03 PM

All comments straddling the border of funny and infuriating. I don’t know whether to laugh at him or

Jaibones on June 25, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Yet another “I’M A COMMUNIST, WHY DOES THIS SURPRISE ANYBODY?” moment.

mankai on June 25, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Jay Mac on June 25, 2009 at 12:01 PM

The GOP may fumble this… which means that somehow private sources need to get this out.

Sad part… I have family and friends who buy the “it’s only one option… you can still have your private insurance” lie. And of course… “HALLIBURTON!”

mankai on June 25, 2009 at 12:14 PM

How many people watched this stupid thing? Anybody have the numbers?

It bombed.

jennifernaz on June 25, 2009 at 12:16 PM

you treat narcissists, or work with them? If the former, I’m just wondering if/when/how they implode, especially insofar as Obama is reaching that grand reckoning of 50. It’s hard for anyone to keep a fractured personality intact after 50, imo.

JiangxiDad on June 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Nah, I’ve just been around a lot of them so I know the behavior. If you work in the financial services industry as long as I have, you see a ton of them. Every company in this business is run by men like this. They preen, they fixate on their personal appearance, they suck up and bullshit their way to a top job, they attack and destroy people who are actually competent because they don’t want the competition, then they eventually get fired because they can’t hack it.

I saw Barack Obama a mile away as one of these people. His behavior since becoming president is classic. He fixes on the trappings of his office, never misses a chance to display his title (e.g. the POTUS sign on the golf cart) and remind people “I am the president” (yesterday’s news conference). Tries to muscle out and demonize any opponents. Has an extraordinarily thin skin and cannot stand any ridicule. Always reminds people of his own superiority, especially in comparison with his predecessor. But when the rubber hits the road – i.e. Iran, or the current impasse on health care reform – he punts, because he has no true ability or experience to help him make a tough decision or actually be a leader. It’s all smoke and mirrors. There’s no “there” there.

This is a guy who has never done anything except vote “present” and give a few speeches. But now he is President of the United States. He feels like he can do anything now! ‘I’m King of the World!” And none of the sycophants around him will tell him differently. His health care takeover is going down in flames because he has punted it to Congress and Congress has too many competing interests to agree on anything this massive. So now he is flailing around, trying to make this about HIM and use his personal popularity to get it passed. It’s not a surprise to me at all that he could not answer that question about how he would want his own family cared for under this new government system. HE HASN’T THOUGHT ABOUT IT!

rockmom on June 25, 2009 at 12:20 PM

jennifernaz on June 25, 2009 at 12:16 PM

The one-hour ABC News special “Primetime: Questions for the President: Prescription for America” (4.7 million viewers, 1.1 preliminary adults 18-49 rating) had the fewest viewers in the 10 p.m. hour. The special tied some 8 p.m. comedy repeats as the lowest-rated program on a major broadcast network.

Heh.

You’d think the supposed “47 million” uninsured would be riveted since it is ALL THEY WORRY ABOUT!

;)

mankai on June 25, 2009 at 12:22 PM

He’s been promoted all his life by affirmative action and waltzed into the White House thanks to George Bush’s failures, and now he thinks he can do anything. He surrounds himself with sycophants who won’t tell him he is actually a moron.

rockmom on June 25, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I agree with you about the filthy liar’s sense of entitlement but let’s not join the Obama crowd in placing all the blame on GWB. Put another way, Obama waltzed into office because the left wing of the GOP engineered the primary process so that we ended up with an unlikeable, untrustworthy RINO who showed nothing but contempt for the party base while he was out there pandering for moderate democrat votes.

Yes, the race for the White House would have been tough after eight years of GWB but I sure would have been happier waging that fight with Mitt Romney than John McCain.

highhopes on June 25, 2009 at 12:24 PM

How many people watched this stupid thing? Anybody have the numbers?

ErinF on June 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM

I was playing Halo online with some friends and suddenly I heard that it was playing in the other room, so I jumped up mid game and changed stations. I’m sure the numbers sucked, too bad if Obama was as bad as they say.

jeffn21 on June 25, 2009 at 12:26 PM

The one-hour ABC News special “Primetime: Questions for the President: Prescription for America” (4.7 million viewers, 1.1 preliminary adults 18-49 rating) had the fewest viewers in the 10 p.m. hour. The special tied some 8 p.m. comedy repeats as the lowest-rated program on a major broadcast network.

So much for this manufactured crisis. Steele better make good use of this debacle of a propaganda attempt.

kingsjester on June 25, 2009 at 12:29 PM

It bombed.

jennifernaz on June 25, 2009 at 12:16 PM

That in itself should prove how big the lies that are being told. The filthy liar in the White House is claiming that this issue is so important that Americans just can’t wait to get relief from the evil private insurers by signing up for socialized medicine. He spent the day campaigning for his absurd idea that government will set up an efficient, cheap, and comprehensive healthcare delivery system that will be the envy of the world. Yet such an important issue and America’s got talent had more viewers?

highhopes on June 25, 2009 at 12:30 PM

They now send him talking points on TOTUS live from a PC connected to it during press conferences.

barnone on June 25, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Is this true??

The President of the United States cannot answer questions without being GIVEN THE ANWERS BY HIS FLUNKIES?

Why hasn’t anybody called him out on this?

Can you imagine if Bush was fed answers – and fed answers on vital questions on world events, war, national security, not to mention the vile legislation aimed at crippling us?

Rush, Hannity, Savage, Buchanan, Coulter, Morris – get to work!

tigerlily on June 25, 2009 at 12:31 PM

You’d think the supposed “47 million” uninsured would be riveted since it is ALL THEY WORRY ABOUT!

mankai on June 25, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Lack of vision coverage means they can’t see the TV even if they had the strength to tune in after having to choose between eating dog food and having their medications.

highhopes on June 25, 2009 at 12:33 PM

I was watching Season 1 of Dexter on Netflix Instant Demand. Great show!

jennifernaz on June 25, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Has someone captured this video before it goes down the memory hole??? (I don’t have the technology, or I would do it myself.)

Mary in LA on June 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Steele better make good use of this debacle of a propaganda attempt.

kingsjester on June 25, 2009 at 12:29 PM

How exactly? Personally, I’d rather the RNC and elected Republicans in Congress fight this thing on the facts than to pointing out a clear case of propaganda so bad that even liberal pundits think ABC went too far.

highhopes on June 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM

I heard he wore a pearl necklace.

rockmom on June 25, 2009 at 11:34 AM

LMAO! Rockmom rocking the humor!

Rush is killing President Not Me today! And the fact that John Fund has uncovered Congress is not going to be subjected to this death care should have Americans screaming to the heavens!

freeus on June 25, 2009 at 12:37 PM

There’s no “there” there.

rockmom on June 25, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Best summary of Obama I’ve seen. You’ve really captured his essence (if it’s possible to capture nothing).

ProfessorMiao on June 25, 2009 at 12:38 PM

If ObamaCare isn’t good enough for Sasha, Malia, or Michelle, then it’s not good enough for America.

+1000

unclesmrgol on June 25, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Unless every single government employee, elected or otherwise, is required to use the Government plan, then why would anyone else want to?

RadClown on June 25, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe he is more stupid than evil.

Basilsbest on June 25, 2009 at 12:47 PM

I did not watch this infomercial. Was Obamacare compared to double endemity and indeminity health insurance?

Americannodash on June 25, 2009 at 12:53 PM

I heard he wore a pearl necklace.

rockmom on June 25, 2009 at 11:34 AM

That was Spit-take funny!

Thanks!

ihasurnominashun on June 25, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Why does seem that were observing a president who lives in a world of “Catch 22.”

Americannodash on June 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Two big differences between Obama and dukasis.
Obama is president and Dukassis was a canadate. The press loves Obama and will drop this subject as soon as it can.
His mistake will not even last a week.
See how fast the news media is already moving away from the Iran story

kangjie on June 25, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Sadly, this is the correct answer. Obama is to big, too important to fail. He could have come right out and said “I want to cut the price of health care by instituting mandatory euthanasia at age 60, although my family and friends will be exempt” and the alphabet soup networks would just go on about how cool he is and how important it is that he succeed.

holygoat on June 25, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Tneloms

Conservatives get what we want, when govt doesn’t rob us to sponsor bad insurance

Fed-Ex vs USPS…I am free not to pay anything for postage unless I feel like it. Fed-Ex is free to limit its service to profitable features.

That’s fine. What’s with this mandatory participation crap? Why should I buy anything I won’t use myself?

In the words of a great American president, “You aint my bitch, buy your own damn fries”

And we all know how Democrats work. First they solicit volunteers to “do the right thing”. Then they erect “market-based incentives” to punish people who didn’t volunteer. Then they attack the remaining minority and ban alternatives. Your repeated assurance that we can buy better health care has been attacked by every Dem given the health care chore, such as Daschle.

Chris_Balsz on June 25, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe he is more stupid than evil.

Basilsbest on June 25, 2009 at 12:47 PM

I think it depends on the week. There should be a stupid/evil tracking poll.

This week it would be about 75% stupid 25% evil. He so botched the Iranian protester situation that the State Department had intense discussions over whether or not to rescind the weenie they offered up in peace to the Iranian diplomats. That definitely results in a strong showing along the stupid axis.

highhopes on June 25, 2009 at 1:14 PM

The Onion has an awesome parody of Obama’s “compassion”.

JohnJ on June 25, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Oopsie! So ObamaCare for thee, but not for me? Hope and change, baby!

This seems to be the demoRATS mantra. Hypocrite doesn’t even BEGIN to describe the stupidity that is the obama presidency.

HornetSting on June 25, 2009 at 1:24 PM

My daughter has a new roomate at college who is from Britian. I was talking with her grandmother and she brought up the subject of Obama’s healthcare. She could not understand why America was trying to nalionalize a health plan they have been trying to get rid of. She said that getting a doctors appointment for a cold was not a problem but for anything else, forget it, it took weeks or months if at all. She said when they need medical care they just go to Europe and get it done, paying out of pocket. Candians come here, if they can afford it, to get the healthcare they need. Where will we go? India, Europe and China will be our only options and unlike the Candians and Britians, it will not be a short trip across a boarder. Only the most wealthy, will have that option. For me it would involve cashing in the life insurance, selling off what I own and the house, but then what do I do the next time the need happens? I guess I take the pain medicine and hope for a merciful quick end or a doctor quietly taking care of it since suicide is not an option for me under any circumstances. At least I will not have to worry about having a living will under his plan. Of course Obama and members of Congress will always have access to medical care and hopitals that most of the less equal will not have access to.
Medical care will be rationed because it will be subject to congressional funding just like any other fedral expense. Hopitals or wings of them will be closed because the goverment can not afford them and dupicated services in an area will be eliminated. If it is like in Britian, Dentist will have a list of people they are paid to care for. If you are not lucky enough to get on a list, you pull your own rotting teeth. If Doctors are paid by the number of people they see, they will rush to see as many as possibe. A raise was given to Doctors in Britian. The results were a slow down in the number of patients they treated rather than keep up the pace for more money. Doctors will be like teachers, only becoming one if they care more about what they are doing more than the money. There will be the bad ones as well, that see the job as a steady paycheck. I have seen a lot of those in my years of teaching, both in the classrooms and in administrations. If you want to see what state run care will be like, go to a state prison and see what the care is like for prisoners. I can tell you from personally seeing it myself that we gave better medical care to our horses and cattle we raised to become meat in the grocery store on the family ranch than they get.

Franklyn on June 25, 2009 at 1:32 PM

I’m sure the Obamabots didn’t will have some spin on this in his favor….. I didn’t watch I had better things to do like cleaning my oven.

kthomas8268 on June 25, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Contrary to your clear opinion, while conservatives do believe that individuals should have to pay for what they get, conservatives emphatically do not want the government to intervene in any market to such an extent that only the very wealthy can afford decent service.

That is what ObamaCare will do to healthcare in the US. Subsidized government insurance will drive private insurers out of the market, and mandated lower payments will drive existing and particularly prospective doctors into other professions.

It is a Dukakis moment because Obama tacitly admitted that his intervention would create a system so bad that he would not use it for himself or his family.

Troll Feeder on June 25, 2009 at 11:46 AM

I think I already addressed these points in several previous comments. I do understand conservativism, and I agree with a lot of it. Obviously Obama’s plan is contrary to conservativism, since it is a very large government intervention. However, this particular quote is in fact in line with the first thing you said, which is that you can and do pay for what you get. The fact that Obama would rather pay for something better than the government plan does not mean that it’s a bad piece of legislation. There are plenty of good pieces of legislation that help underprivileged people that legislators would rather not take part in, opting to pay more for something better.

tneloms on June 25, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Incentive v. Takeover.

So why aren’t you advocating a plan that incentivizes positive personal choices instead of government takeover of a non-failed industry that will facilitate the government intrusion into the most intimate and personal choices in a citizens life?

batterup on June 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I haven’t advocated anything. I don’t know what the best proposal is, but I’d be inclined to lean toward one that incentivizes positive personal choices would be. I think that Obama’s current proposed plan has problems, and the medical community has pointed out these problems. If anything, I’d probably support a plan that’s supported by the AMA (which does advocate universal coverage) or a similar body.

tneloms on June 25, 2009 at 1:55 PM

It is a Dukakis moment because Obama tacitly admitted that his intervention would create a system so bad that he would not use it for himself or his family.

Troll Feeder on June 25, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Good job of clarification and rebuttal. Thanks.

Loxodonta on June 25, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Obama and government employees tend to have very generous health insurance plans that provided access to treatments not covered by Medicare.

Laurence on June 25, 2009 at 2:13 PM

The Oblabla infomercial came in last in its time slot. I heard it on Rush. Got no numbers.

Geochelone on June 25, 2009 at 2:29 PM

not so dumb after all

Obama knows how to butter his own bread.

Use your butter and bread.

badtothebone on June 25, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Using his grandmother let him get around the question. That’s a shame. Of course any one would spend all their money to get the best care for their family! Of course Obama would.

You know healthcare in America can be free now. If you go to an emergency room they don’t turn you away. You may have to take out bankruptcy but you don’t die.

I think on Obama’s plan more will die. And emergency care will not be given as freely because the government will haggle and at a point there will be an end to the care. While now they would be afraid they would get sued or bad publicity for stopping treatments… under Obama care they will have a metric and will follow it. No liability.

That is how Obama plans to save money. Let the poor and the sick die.

petunia on June 25, 2009 at 2:36 PM

There sits John F. Kerry in the U.S. Senate,
There sits Obama in the White House,

Used by others Kerry got millions killed with his lies and fraud.

Used by others how many on planet earth will die due to the lies and fraud of Obama?

Trouble is, no matter how much you dislike this Vietnam Veteran for posting this, there will be a moment when the
count will be done.

History Will Know, Obamas lies nor those who lie for him will not be able to prevent the real History from being.

badtothebone on June 25, 2009 at 2:37 PM

I think I already addressed these points in several previous comments. I do understand conservativism, and I agree with a lot of it. Obviously Obama’s plan is contrary to conservativism, since it is a very large government intervention. However, this particular quote is in fact in line with the first thing you said, which is that you can and do pay for what you get. The fact that Obama would rather pay for something better than the government plan does not mean that it’s a bad piece of legislation. There are plenty of good pieces of legislation that help underprivileged people that legislators would rather not take part in, opting to pay more for something better.

tneloms on June 25, 2009 at 1:53 PM

The problem is this is going to effect what the middle class can do. It is us whose employers will opt out of offering insurance plans and force more and more into government run insurance. And thus only the rich will have the quality of healthcare that most of us have now.

Have you ever visited one of the those “County Hospitals?” It is like stepping back in time. All hospitals will be like that for all of us. Unless you can afford Mayo.

petunia on June 25, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Glorious!
Thank you Obama for tripping and falling into the puddle of hypocrisy! Now the anti-ObamaCare commercials got some even better ammo! I thought this advert would slightly increase the amount of people looking positively towards it, then he goes and drops this into our laps!
Glorious!

Vendicus on June 25, 2009 at 2:42 PM

the folks are wising up to goat man and know he speaks with forked tongue except for the deadbeats waiting for the goat man to pay their sub-prime mortgage payment.

bluegrass on June 25, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Well, I personally have closure on this public debate.

We’re not yet quite miserable enough.

AnninCA on June 25, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Too bad practically no one heard him say that.

Personally, I was wrapped up in a series of documentaries about Andy Warhol on Ovation. Man, I never realized how many people he hung out with were already dead by the early ’70s because of drugs!

If only they had nationalized health care back then…

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 25, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Once the media sees Obama as ineffective in delivering the socialist/fascist “change” they want and public opinion solidly moving away from mind numbing obedience to this poser and fraud, they will turn on him. Then it will be fun to see such an arrogant empty suit flail and fall.

enoughalready on June 25, 2009 at 3:22 PM

I watched TIVO’ed episodes of Deadliest Catch. After that, to get my medical fix, I watched reruns of House.

To you poor, poor souls that sat through and watched the whole thing…were there any questions about exempting union employees?

This plan of his, it’s good enough for Everyone! *

*Except Obama, his family, wealthy and powerful friends, congress, and union employees.

DngrMse on June 25, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Wait. Does this mean Barry does not want Bawney Fwank making healthcare decisons for Malia and Sasha. epic fail dude. he needs to get with the program.

elduende on June 25, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Obama and government employees tend to have very generous health insurance plans that provided access to treatments not covered by Medicare.

Laurence on June 25, 2009 at 2:13 PM

My husband is a New Jersey state employee. We pay a ridiculously low $20 a pay period for a regular Blue Cross/Blue Shield policy that covers just about everything with minimal copays. His salary is crappy and he is being furloughed one day a month now because of the state budget deficit, but that health premium is worth a lot. If we get taxed on the part of the premium the state pays it will kill us. If we get dumped into a federal program so New Jersey can get out of the costs of insuring its employees and retirees, it will kill us too. This is exactly what is going to happen too. The state employees who are in unions will get to keep their Cadillac health plans and make the taxpayers keep paying huge subsidies for them, while the nonunion workers will get dumped into the federal plan.

rockmom on June 25, 2009 at 3:49 PM

People with money and influence often times go to doctors who do not even bother with insurance. They just write a check.

Terrye on June 25, 2009 at 3:55 PM

I haven’t advocated anything.

tneloms on June 25, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Discussing the government takeover of our healthcare and lives as though it has any merit is as good a an endorsement. This crap he is pushing is just a means to control your life. Do you really want me deciding if you merit care or not, because I could be one of those government workers who could, no really I could be.

Advocate for something or until you figure out what that something is advocate against the government deciding how you live or die not just if you live or die.

Get off the fence, it’s not time to see if the ground is stable or not.

Have you ever visited one of the those “County Hospitals?” It is like stepping back in time. All hospitals will be like that for all of us. Unless you can afford Mayo.

petunia on June 25, 2009 at 2:41 PM

County hospitals that are major trauma centers or that are attached to universities are exactly where you want to be if you have been a traumatic injury or have a difficult diagnosis. They do the most with the least – miracles happen in those facilities every day.

batterup on June 25, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Question:

Anyone else getting Obamacare robo calls today?

DngrMse on June 25, 2009 at 4:24 PM

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