What you learn early in life is that nothing comes free, and if it does, it’s probably crap anyway. Yet, people insist on upholding free-isms as some kind of salvation to the pre-WWII order. Unsurprisingly, they’re often dead wrong. Take the ObamaCar…

We were just in Italy and needed a medical diagnosis quickly. I was surprised when the doctor got us into a private hospital the next day. Of course, we had to pay a couple of hundred euros for an ultrasound. I asked about their socialized medicine. The reply was “if you went to the public sector, you would have to wait a minimum of six months for the ultrasound”.

Obamamama wants to put everyone (except for the political hacks) on obamacare.

Here is a thought. How about printing up a pledge to shove in front of your congresscritters that says “I, Congressman D. Ogfart, will not accept any special health care that is only offered to members of congress and high governement officials. I will use the same health care as the rest of america”

Let’s see how many of the democrap socialist jerkwads will sign that. If they don’t then publish the list of the greedy elitist b*stards who will have a gold plated plan for their families and fatal rationing for ours.

(Guess I’m getting ever further onto “the list”)

You know, I was hoping to get out of this Without using the 2nd, but that hope is getting further and further away. When they come for the “uncooperative” Doctors, It’s on.

is simply an accounting cost shift that only saps our long term economic strength.

This is what he wants.

I don’t know what fortune everyone else has had in trying to educate people on Obamacare, but I have accomplished ZIP. I’m lucky to get past square 1* when I publicly challenge this crap in the slightest.

*square one being parroted insults/strawmen/etc. like this response:

“Rightards are funny.

They lie that it’s going to fail without any proof it will do so. The selfish REpublican fucks who have coverage couldn’t care less about those who don’t. The fact that we waste double the money and don’t even cover everyone doesn’t matter to morons.

Hey, Republican moron, what’s the overhead on Medicare versus private care? Do you dishonest rightards even bother looking this stuff up, or do you figure just making up lies is good enough?”

I have no idea why I’m even commenting here. The majority of people here are so partisan and base all things on just that…so much so that you’d sell your own mothers for politics. Yes, I really with all my heart believe that.

beekiller on June 25, 2009 at 3:58 PM

I’m curious as to why you’re commenting here as well. Apparently, when the discussion does not go as you feel it should, you make crude ad-hominem insults. And you have the nerve to complain that it is others who are “so partisan.”

These numbers show that without a doubt.

The problem with showing liberals numbers is that they say you aren’t accounting for the “human factor,” which they equate to mean numbers don’t matter.

I’m diabetic and these are like the feeling I had as a child on Christmas mornings.

Liberty or Death on June 25, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Well said. Absolutely on point.

JiangxiDad on June 25, 2009 at 5:38 PM

I’m more of a jerky guy….heavy on the pepper

LimeyGeek on June 25, 2009 at 5:34 PM

I’m partial to the gold ones these days, but à chacun ses goûts.

do you have diff. color skittles, or do you stick to one?

JiangxiDad on June 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Since they taste like chewy urinal blocks, I avoid the revolting things entirely

It’s all just a cascade of skittles….

LimeyGeek on June 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM

do you have diff. color skittles, or do you stick to one?

It’s all just a cascade of skittles….

Won’t be long and the American people are going to be introduced to a new number. QUADRILLION

fourdeucer on June 25, 2009 at 2:11 PM

That’s the idea. When quadrillion is the new billion, trillion becomes the new million.

Seriously, CA can’t project for 6 months without being wrong.

It’s all too dependent on the economy.

So the projected costs?

It’s all just about assumptions, etc.

Too complex to be meaningful to people.

AnninCA on June 25, 2009 at 2:51 PM

The thing is, when has the government ever missed a projection where we wound up paying less?

The truth is people with a terminal prognosis will not even get the kind of care they can get now. They will just give them morphine and send them home. Why waste the resources? Unless of course they have the money to pay for the treatment themselves somewhere else.

Terrye on June 25, 2009 at 4:19 PM

They may get an option for doctor assisted suicide or a Do-it-youself painless suicide kit.

Seriously, CA can’t project for 6 months without being wrong.

It’s all too dependent on the economy.

Too complex to be meaningful to people.

AnninCA on June 25, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Ever wonder why Cali can’t project for 6 months? I grew up in NoCal (Bay Area) and I can tell you Cali having budget issues is nothing new. The Cali government has been for the most part (since I can remember) controlled by ultra-liberal dems for quite some time (even when they have a Republican governor) and their budget woes are because liberal Cali dem politicians have effectively overspent to install all of their social programs, benefits, and rights specifically for those “victims” unproductive citizens that live off the gubment dole! It sure isn’t the hard working taxpaying citizens that benefit from all these pet social programs as they don’t qualify because they ACTUALLY WORK FOR LIVING and earn too much money, yet they keep paying the price!

Now add to this the fact Cali is not a “right to work state” (like Arizona and other states are) and because of this the Cali gubment bestows lots of lavish benefits and rights to workers that love to take advantage of those rights and benefits (I’ve seen it first hand) and all these lavish benefits and rights cost money and directly impact the cost of doing business in Cali.

Then add one more factor into this equation and that is the over the top regulatory requirements the Cali gubment imposes on businesses, regulatory requirements that are always more stringent than the rest of the nation. Now when you combine all of these factors I mentioned businesses (the state’s tax base) start leaving in droves, then the productive working people of Cali (those that don’t benefit from all the nicey-nice things the Cali gubment gives away) start following the jobs and leave the state (another tax base lost) and all of this in turn dries up your tax revenues and viola you have a huge budget deficit like Cali does!

For these reasons and others is why Cali is constantly on the edge of financial ruin and can’t predict a budget let alone balance one, however this time I think they’re really up a creek without a paddle and may not recover and they have no one to blame but the ultra-liberal dems that have done nothing but drive away it’s productive tax base all in the name of giving away the farm to enable generation after generation of “victims.”

So now the federal government after increasing our debt by more than 1 trillion dollars wants to get involved in the health care business for another 4 trillion so that all of the poor “victims” of big business that are being denied health care coverage will now have it! I’ve been working since I was 13 and once I turned 18 I’ve had health insurance through my employment, that is not luck that’s working for a living and working for a company that provides health care coverage as a benefit. While it has become more and more expensive over the years I continue to pay my portion so I have health coverage when it’s needed.

Based on our government’s poor track record in managing services/programs such as Amtrak, Social Security, the VA (in particular the stellar medical services the VA provides) and Medicare/Medicaid I don’t need gubment health care, and I sure as hell don’t want it and how anyone would think a government run health care system would be better is out of their friggin mind!

A gubment run health care system will bankrupt our nation (hell SS is almost on the verge of being bankrupt) it will dramatically lower the availability and quality of health care, it will limit a person’s choice in how they manage their health care, it will be a disaster of biblical proportions and our health care system may never recover from it! But hey, it’s all good as long as all those poor “victims” that are being denied health care coverage because of the mean and greedy corporations finally get their “free” health care coverage paid for by all us working stiffs!

Seriously AnninCA, if the financial problems Cali is having isn’t proof enough that you can’t sustain a viable state/nation when you constantly give away the farm to the few at the expense of the many (those would be the hard working and productive tax contributing citizen and/or the businesses that employ them) then nothing will convince you this is a very bad idea that will in the long run destroy our health care system and seriously damage our nation economically…this fact is not too complex to understand or have meaning, at least anyone with a functioning synapse!