Open thread: Hey, who’s up for an hour-long infomercial on ObamaCare?
posted at 9:40 pm on June 24, 2009 by Allahpundit
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10 p.m. ET on ABC. What better way to wind down from terror in Tehran and heart-ache in South Carolina than by watching Obama play pattycake with Gibson and Sawyer? The World News Tonight audience has already been duly informed that “the need is obvious” for health-care reform. Now it’s The One’s time to shine.
And he’d better shine awfully bright.
A majority of Americans see government action as critical to controlling runaway health-care costs, but there is broad public anxiety about the potential impact of reform legislation and conflicting views about the types of fixes being proposed on Capitol Hill, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
Most respondents are “very concerned” that health-care reform would lead to higher costs, lower quality, fewer choices, a bigger deficit, diminished insurance coverage and more government bureaucracy. About six in 10 are at least somewhat worried about all of these factors, underscoring the challenges for lawmakers as they attempt to restructure the nation’s $2.3 trillion health-care system…
Survey questions that equate the public option approach with the popular, patient-friendly Medicare system tend to get high approval, as do ones that emphasize the prospect of more choices. But when framed with an explicit counterargument, the idea receives a more tepid response. In the new Post-ABC poll, 62 percent support the general concept, but when respondents were told that meant some insurers would go out of business, support dropped sharply, to 37 percent.
Cato’s liveblogging it so check there frequently for libertarian-flavored fact-checking. We’ll have video later in the unlikely event that something important gets said. While you wait, be sure to read David Brooks’s piece yesterday about the Senate’s health-care bill. With even his most trusted RINO allies wavering, The One’s margin for error here is nil.
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I have my sober moments.
blatantblue on June 25, 2009 at 12:06 AM
balantblue:
Republicans have a few people who screw up like Ensign and Sanford, Democrats had a president who made them both like choir boys. So, I really don’t think those kind of sad tales will stop Republicans if they have a message that people want to hear.
Terrye on June 25, 2009 at 12:06 AM
All of my representatives are democrat, thanks to a bunch of stupid, no account, cheese eating welfare rat, waste of skin, idiots that voted for them, but I think I’ll make a few calls tomorrow. There is nothing more invigorating than arguing with the liberal idiot taking opinions in a democrat’s office.
HornetSting on June 25, 2009 at 12:07 AM
But they hurt us, badly. Our side emphasizes morality and values. Then we have tools not living up to it
It’s very bad for our brand
blatantblue on June 25, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Anyone watch think this helped sell this crap sandwich? I really think this was a big negative for him tonight. He never answered a question directly. No teleprompter and no real plan, not a good forum for Obama.
msmveritas on June 25, 2009 at 12:11 AM
This is being crammed down or throats and I for one resent it. Doctors are quitting the profession and physician assistants are getting set to take over where actual MD’s leave.
From my point of view the primary beneficiaries of this proposal are undocumented immigrants living across the land.
Currently everyone I know that is “uninsured” has access to health care through existing State health plans.
One friend who lives in Tennessee got a heart stent via TennCare. A relative here in California with a belly ache was given a cat scan and numerous other tests to determine she had pancreatitis, all on Medical.
I am glad she was diagnosed and she will be fine. How will ObamaCare do a better job for my friend and niece?
FireBlogger on June 25, 2009 at 12:12 AM
He had it pegged, nigh fifty years ago.
….Why is society still discussing this?
Hawkins1701 on June 25, 2009 at 12:13 AM
I just got back from the College World Series. Do we still have freedom?
gmbdds on June 25, 2009 at 12:13 AM
But they hurt us, badly. Our side emphasizes morality and values. Then we have tools not living up to it
It’s very bad for our brand
blatantblue on June 25, 2009 at 12:09 AM
That has always been a valid point. We are the party with a moral compass. But, I never understood that the Dems earned bragging rights for being the party of NO moral compass. I just can’t imagine having NO moral compass, and being so frikkin angry about frikkin everything, every minute of every day. I am not sure how they live that way.
sybilll on June 25, 2009 at 12:17 AM
It’s the cross we bear
That’s why when people like Sanford f up
we tell them to GTFO, rightfully so.
blatantblue on June 25, 2009 at 12:18 AM
I just got back from the College World Series. Do we still have freedom?
gmbdds on June 25, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Wish I could have been there. GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!
LSUMama on June 25, 2009 at 12:21 AM
You are in Nebraska, we still fight for that here, so, yes you are fine.
cntrlfrk on June 25, 2009 at 12:21 AM
night
blatantblue on June 25, 2009 at 12:23 AM
That’s from an article by Tapper excerpted on MM’s main site.
According to powerlineblog, the Democrats’ proposed plans specifically exempt all federal employees from coverage under the “public plans” being proposed.
Obama and the Democratic congress want to shove the rest of us into a crappy public plan, but they make damn sure that they and their families won’t have to be in it with us. That fact alone should tell everyone everything they need to know about this scam.
Guess what, Obama? The rest of us want our family members to get the very best care too. That’s why we’re not going to support your BS plan.
AZCoyote on June 25, 2009 at 12:24 AM
we tell them to GTFO, rightfully so.
blatantblue on June 25, 2009 at 12:18 AM
And he should do just that. GTFO now. He was a buffoon today, and appeared lovestruck talking about his Argentine tang. Surely Tom Davis will tell him to step aside now.
sybilll on June 25, 2009 at 12:29 AM
How dare the media call government takeover “reform?”
ikez78 on June 25, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Night BB.
Have sweet pony dreams!
Night all- bazil, I will keep you laughing, I promise!
HornetSting on June 25, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Ask your medical practitioner if he supports this. If yes find a new one.
darktood on June 25, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Why doesn’t Obama declare that all elected federal, state, and local officials will fore go their current health care insurance, current and retired and their families, for his plan…………..?
…….. You know, as to set an example for the country to follow. Then let us all see how it works first.
Come on, “press”,………
………….. ask the question!
Seven Percent Solution on June 25, 2009 at 12:47 AM
I am glad she was diagnosed and she will be fine. How will ObamaCare do a better job for my friend and niece?
FireBlogger on June 25, 2009 at 12:12 AM
They won`t and I don`t think they care. I wish we had the power to stop them but I`m not sure that we do. Congress just won`t represent the voices of their districts .
LSUMama on June 25, 2009 at 12:57 AM
For the next 30 seconds, and that is about it.
*Someone here mentioned we need to contact our Congressmorons, and let them know how we feel about death care. I second that, but would add, do not stop at just your state reps, but contact as many in Congress as you can.
This is like the amnesty deal where we need to light up the switchboards, and internet to all in the Senate and as many as you can in the House.
freeus on June 25, 2009 at 1:05 AM
I bet the infomercial tanks.
PattyJ on June 25, 2009 at 1:29 AM
This is critical, no time for conservatives to be hanging up the towel. We also need to explain it to people we know, spread the word, awaken the masses. This can be stopped.
msmveritas on June 25, 2009 at 1:32 AM
How? Share with them how much you love your plan?
Then, what will you do when they share back, about how their plan is so bad that they can’t even take care of basics.
I wait to see how this plan works for you who are probably gov’t workers, protected.
AnninCA on June 25, 2009 at 1:37 AM
I don’t care if the poll I quote is “flawed.”
72%.
OK, dial it down.
How can you guys NOT see this is a major issue and address it.
Can you blame everyone for abandoning the GOP?
Frankly, it’s about like this issue.
You are in such a small minority.
Yet, that’s all that matters. Stick to that.
I have no problem with that as a minority voice.
But that’s not a party.
That’s not a viable political voice in this country.
AnninCA on June 25, 2009 at 1:40 AM
AnninCA on June 25, 2009 at 1:40 AM
Ann, I have lived in Canada. I now live in a state that borders Canada. That kind of medical coverage DOES NOT WORK! It makes a mess of medical treatment. Doctors who really care about their patients are leaving Canada. My state’s largest clinics are in cities bordering Canada to serve the Canadians that can’t get proper care in their own country.
Pull your head out of the sand. BO’s plan will ruin our medical community. If you don’t know it, then you just haven’t done your research very well.
This kind of a program ALWAYS FAILS! ALWAYS! Ask the Canadians and Brits.
Voter from WA State on June 25, 2009 at 1:53 AM
Ann, you are going to find that you lefties/libs are going to be out in the cold in about 12 months. All you will have left is BO in office as a very week POTUS. The lefties/libs/Dems are going to lose Congress in 2010.
Voter from WA State on June 25, 2009 at 2:13 AM
You Repubs are irrelevant… your voices do not matter in this debate… do you know what a tiny minority you are… according to the NYT, 72% want communist healthcare… why dont you just shut up, you don’t matter… if you want the American public to take you seriously, why don’t you come up with your own socialized medicine plan, then you might have a shot in the elections.. might
/sarc
El_Terrible on June 25, 2009 at 2:55 AM
Yep, Newsweak says we’re all Socialists.
So resistance is FUTILE.
/sarc
You know what they say about the road to Hell…
B Man on June 25, 2009 at 2:58 AM
AnninCA
Wow, wake up and realize that even BO is walking away from the public plan. What we in the minority care about is choice and freedom, small government and respect for life. Included in that respect for life, is a complete contempt for a government bureaucracy that decides when you’ve lived long enough and costs of caring for you exceed your value as a human being.
Obama is losing support of Independents faster than private insurance will lose customers when they have to compete against a government team that is also the referee. It is only a very small minority of even Dems, the liberals, who support single payer plan. Congress knows there is not enough support and that 72% quickly turns to the minority when the facts are laid out to the general public. Government run health care is DOA, which is why the Congress is fumbling to come up with something that won’t bankrupt the country and will provide some more coverage.
Funny too, how Obama ran promising health care touted the benefits of his plan, dissing McCains and now Congress is fumbling for something they can pass and face the electorate in 2010. Where is that magical Obama plan? Oh yeah there isn’t one.
msmveritas on June 25, 2009 at 3:33 AM
USA beat Spain?
V15J on June 25, 2009 at 4:05 AM
It was a great game. I was on the edge of my seat the entire second half. USA USA USA!
El_Terrible on June 25, 2009 at 4:24 AM
USA 2 – Spain 0
Both goals; Spanish announcers, cuz that’s how I roll. Goooooooool
El_Terrible on June 25, 2009 at 4:27 AM
I’m on my twelth POTUS. Right now it’s 3:51am and I’m headed out the door to earn some cash, pay my own damn bills, and then come home to do whatever the hell I want.
POTUS number 12 is doing his damnest to give me directions and advice I don’t need, want, or welcome.
Stuff it Barry. I don’t need a nanny, a helping hand, or your gawddamned concerns.
Limerick on June 25, 2009 at 4:55 AM
OH MY GOSH!!!! Was that on?? How did I miss that?? I can’t believe while watching my trifecta of bad reality shows (So You Think You Can Dance/I’m A Celebrity…/America’s Next Top Model) last night I somehow missed seeing this shameful spectacle!
I’ll take your word on whatever happened there. ;o)
Mommypundit on June 25, 2009 at 6:42 AM
This is a classic.
+1000
I’m counting…this is my (gulp) 6th. Most of which, my mommy and daddy were (rightfully) my helping hands! I agree.
Mommypundit on June 25, 2009 at 6:45 AM
Ann:
Have they abandoned the GOP? In my state of Indiana where Obama won a half of one percent victory, Mitch Daniels the Republican won by 18%. Not even close. Both parties go and up and down. Look at history.
Most people in this country are not interested in being Europe. They are concerned about the rising cost of health care, but that does not mean they want the federal government to swoop in, take over the system and raise their taxes. There are plans out there that could help, that could create more competition within the private sector. And if they want to federalize health care, the Feds need to reform Medicare and show us that they can make that system work better before they expand it.
The point to that poll you cited is that they felt the need to deliberately lie. They only contacted 24% who said they had voted for McCain. That is front loading the poll. If there really was that kind of support, CBS would not need to do that.
Terrye on June 25, 2009 at 6:52 AM
The public plan was a faux trial balloon. They knew full darn well that wouldn’t fly, so, they trotted that carcass out there to retract after “debate” to look like they are coming to a bipartisan consensus. They are still getting what they want: more hands on health care and a growing sense in the population, possibly over time, that the government has always been involved in healthcare…over a few years it won’t be so bad.
Don’t get gleeful that the public plan is being walked back but Obama. He’s a stupid, evil dictator wannabe and is fully aware of what he wants and will get.
GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO GET THEIR FILTHY, CORRUPT FINGERS AWAY FROM HEALTHCARE PERIOD.
The poor already have medicaid. Fiddle with that.
Mommypundit on June 25, 2009 at 6:52 AM
fixed
Mommypundit on June 25, 2009 at 6:53 AM
And if there really was that kind of support Obama would not feel the need to take over the airwaves like some Soviet Premier touting his latest 5 year plan either. In fact if 72% supported nationalized health care..we would have had it years ago.
Terrye on June 25, 2009 at 6:57 AM
This is not a thread hijack, just some filler, since this debate is not about healthcare but about Obama and socialism.
Note the smallness of his character, on display once again for any who will see it. He makes Bush look like a grand statesman, as does John Effing Kerry. How sad for this country that such small men control things. We should change this.
Jaibones on June 25, 2009 at 7:18 AM
Which has the fastest rising costs; health care or education? Even without ObamaScare they are both heavily regulated by the government, which drives up costs and down performance. Certainly don’t want more involvement.
So the Obama show was on last night. Missed it. Much like when Clinton was president; Obama on TV, TV off.
Dasher on June 25, 2009 at 7:23 AM
i watched some john wayne DVDs instead of the Teh Won. was that unpatriotic?
kelley in virginia on June 25, 2009 at 7:28 AM
I was at a Mexican restaurant with friends during Barack TV last night. This morning I have gas. If I had watched, it would have had the same effect on me. No thanks. I just can not watch this Socialist and listen to his lies.
kingsjester on June 25, 2009 at 7:32 AM
the press played morose and angry teenager to Bush’s parent role. But now we have another morose and angry teen running the country. He and the press are on the exact same level–no fundamental respect in either direction–regardless of what the usual fawning implies. They’re both going to tire of each other, and sooner or later, someone is going to want to find a grown-up again. Lord of the flies.
JiangxiDad on June 25, 2009 at 7:41 AM
it sounds like I didn’t miss much last night….same drivel, different day….couldn’t watch it myself, DVRs are a true blessing during these times :-)
cmsinaz on June 25, 2009 at 7:57 AM
The press will devour him one day.
blatantblue on June 25, 2009 at 8:03 AM
What a joke. ABC should have their license revoked OR should be required to charge the DNC for that infomercial.
Here’s a pretty fair review. They waited till after 11:30 to get the VERY limited Q&A going. It was a primetime Obama infomercial – period. I just marked ABC off my list. I deleted it from my channel selections.
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090625043708.aspx
marklmail on June 25, 2009 at 8:29 AM
“ObamaCare” Newspeak: Obama’s Antipathy for America.
Obama holds no allegiance to anything outside of his own embodiment, the heinous amalgam of corruption polished by his owners.
Whether the US Congress, the USPS, D.C. Metro, FDIC, Federal Reserve, Social Security, Medicaid/Medicare, Bank Investment Firms, Insurance Industry, or any manufacturing such as GM or Chrysler, GOVERNMENT PERFORMANCE IS A FAILURE. Corruption has permeated our government so thoroughly that our politicians live in a separate universe that regards real citizens as has-beens of no consequence.
The only reason the USA has done as well as we have to date is because of separation between State and Industry. THAT requirement for prosperity and security was already understood unanimously by our founding fathers, which is why it wasn’t stipulated as a bylaw for DUMMIES.
All three branches comprising our Democratic Constitutional Republic have failed to appreciate the prerequisite limitations of their own existence as established by our Exceptional Supreme Law of the Land, the US Constitution.
They have grossly misinterpreted and revised all consideration regarding “separation of Church and State” while progressing towards the Marxist governmental ownership of all things, with a FAILING PERFORMANCE RECORD, A DOOMSDAY DEBT, TAXES LEVIED AGAINST THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE FOR SERVICES NOT RENDERED BUT INSTEAD USED TO BUY MORE POWER while abolishing our fundamental Constitutional Rights.
maverick muse on June 25, 2009 at 8:31 AM
Eschew Deceit
Make the giver take it back.
maverick muse on June 25, 2009 at 8:36 AM
Just waiting on them to start in stalling the “Political Officer” in all work places! Can’t have any dissident water cooler talk, don’t you know.
WOLVERINES!
rgranger on June 25, 2009 at 8:42 AM
I hear they are making a very PC version of RED DAWN…. ugh
cmsinaz on June 25, 2009 at 8:44 AM
I still find it hard to believe a major network would give air time to this propaganda without offering the same prime time to an alternate plan. When’s the counter point show going to air? It makes me want to bang my head against the wall that anyone could seriously think government managed health care is a good idea. A trip to the local DMV would put the idea right out of anyone’s head. Take a number and wait. Don’t we have enough of that in our lives as it is?
scalleywag on June 25, 2009 at 8:57 AM
I watched crime shows and Animal Planet. And I feel better about myself this morning for doing so.
scalleywag on June 25, 2009 at 9:06 AM
I missed it and watch the CWS instead. LSU Wins its 6th National Title in Baseball. Defeating Texas 11-4.
Amazing that there were no riots in Baton Rouge last night.
roux on June 25, 2009 at 9:34 AM
No Thanks ABC- Big Yawn
Dr Evil on June 25, 2009 at 9:45 AM
I watched the Detroit-Windsor fireworks show. A spectacle far more satisfying to the eyes, ears and mind.
kasubo on June 25, 2009 at 10:15 AM
You mean someone actually watched the infomercial…WOW! way too much free time…
JIMV on June 25, 2009 at 10:23 AM
I’ll be with my girls at DORA live in Concert…I have my priorities ya know.
tomas on June 25, 2009 at 10:27 AM
The difference between the left and the right on this is this: The left wants to create a utopia on earth whereby Gov’t is the ultimate arbiter of morality and ethics. The right (at least the bible believing part) knows that man is flawed, knows that perfection only comes after death, and believes in personal responsibility for all actions.
And since when does holding one’s self to a higher standard and failing to meet that standard become a base for perjorative? The ‘hypocrisy’ call from the left is pathetic. It is akin to not having any personal standards so that one can never be called a hypocrit. It is a stupid accusation in this sense. The more appropriate use of hypocrit applies when elucidating Al Gore’s slobbering affair with a hoax(global warming). The man flies around on private jets, lives in an enormous mansion, and banks cash on some stupid ‘carbon-offset’ company.
You want to know what a real carbon offset is? Obama’s irresponsible debt passed on to our children. The man is a menace on humanity.
daesleeper on June 25, 2009 at 10:47 AM
My grandson just started his residency training at a university hospital. One large, humongous expense for doctors is?—You guessed it malpractice insurance. Do you ever hear any ideas bandied about by our legislators on capping that or the trail lawyers fees? (Crickets Chirping)
Herb on June 25, 2009 at 10:51 AM
The current system is not broken. We just have widely expanding health care options and they are expensive. When the perception that health care is a “right” as opposed to a commodity-service like any other, politicians fall over one another to give us those rights.
Our current system may be flawed, may not get as much care to everyone as we would like, but as Winston Churchill said: “Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms.” Well our health care system is the same.
One thing though, Churchill also said: “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
I fear we will get the health care system we deserve.
Mr. Joe on June 25, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Don’t worry, I am hardly gleeful that Obama is walking away from the public option. Kennedy Dodd accomplishes it easily without the public plan and the others aren’t much better. Keeping our health care out of the governments grubby paws is uppermost in my mind I can assure you.
My point with AnninCA had more to do with her misconception that conservatives are the only ones out of step with a general agreement that we need to go the socialized medicine route. None of the polling backs up her claim.
msmveritas on June 25, 2009 at 10:55 AM
I re-read the U.S. Constitution instead. Guess what isn’t mentioned there?
Fletch54 on June 25, 2009 at 10:55 AM
If you didn’t post in a thorazine-induced stupor, you might garner some adherents to your theology. You are a liar and a poor one at that.
daesleeper on June 25, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Earlier this week he admitted that his scheme would force millions of folk to lose their doctor. Last night he admitted that the extremely sick would get a up/down check from a bureaucrat on treatment….is this scam what folk really want. Do the 85% or so really want to destroy what they have, at a high tax cost, to provide mediocre care for the minority that does not have care? I have hope that folk will say no, if the Congress even bothers to read the plan before the try to ram it through….
JIMV on June 25, 2009 at 11:04 AM
SYTYCD is the best thing on TV right now, IMO.
The other two – meh…..
Whatever floats your boat.
UltimateBob on June 25, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I don’t think people understand what a truly insidious path we are in.
Once this bill is approved, along with CAP & TRADE. There is no turning back. There has yet to be an instance of dismantling of a Statist bureaucracy that didn’t involve batons, bloodied, faces and bullets.
As our friends in Iran can atest, they are the canary in the coal mine. Hope and Change came to them 30 years ago and look what is necessary to overcome it now.
WichoFawkes on June 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Maybe we can get Edwards to lead that charge;)
Laura in Maryland on June 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Wonder if ObamaCare treats the Matthews’ “Thrill Up My Leg” Syndrome?
SmallGovtGuy on June 25, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Yup, ABC came in third or fourth in every category.
Wed. Ratings
PattyJ on June 25, 2009 at 12:10 PM
OK, this Media-President love affair is getting creepy. Trying to regionalize it, I came with two theories that can explain this disturbing behavior:
1. He is from Chicago, so maybe he makes them an offer they can’t refuse.
2. He secretly gives away free BJs.
Michelle Dubois on June 25, 2009 at 12:30 PM
I was planning on watching the infomercial ( not ) but I have enough snake oil. I belong to netflix and watched a movie instead.
pitter43 on June 25, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Glorious!
Thank you Obama for tripping and falling into the puddle of hypocrisy! Now the anti-ObamaCare commercials will have even better ammo to use!I wonder what he was thinking when he realized what he had said? Also I cannot not wait to see how this is spun and what Gibbs has to say! Oh happy day for me!
Glorious!
Vendicus on June 25, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Geez, before I counted I thought you were old, but I’ve been around for eleven POTUS. I guess you’re not all that old after all—unless you meant you’ve voted for twelve. I’ve only been able to vote for or against five.
Al in St. Lou on June 25, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Stay the hell out of my life. I have reached a point my anger no longer stays on the charts. The ONLY government entity the government has not completely hosed is the military. Not because they do not try. They screwed up what used to be good healthcare for mediocre care. They took away healthcare for retirees promised when we joined. We now pay regular premiums for healthcare after retirement. For those who never served I do not expect understanding on this point. Servicemembers lives were always expendable but the promise to care of us and our family afterward was the payoff. Dental care, phhhttt. Too expensive after retiring to talk about and worthless.
I am beyond party affiliation. They are all self-serving corrupt party hacks with few exceptions. Writing to any of them results in a standard party talking points letter. In the end they compromise(fold) like cheap houses.
I do not have much faith in the future of our country. It will be up to the states to exert their rights and protect its citizens.
Oh yes, AnninCA. Tuff break.
usarmyretired on June 25, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Since they asked Palin about “The Bush Doctrine”. I submit these queries:
What are the Medical Management Guidelines (MMGs) for acute chemical exposures? OR….
If, in your plan, enemas are used in a household for NON-MEDICAL purposes, for what reason(s) may they be used?
(1) Sexual pleasure
(2) Non-sexual pleasure
(3) Toilet training of children
(4) Discipline/Punishment
(5) Other
159 voters have answered this question.
IlikedAUH2O on June 26, 2009 at 3:35 AM
Why not let those without insurance buy into the current plan that provides health insurance to all federal employees, the Congress and the executive branch?
thgrant on June 26, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Before we get into any sort of dialog about national health care, lets do a trial run first. Lets look and see how the Government runs the VA.
When they get that model working and little to no waste or fraud or sh*tty service, then we can start talking about doing that on a larger scale, but lets work the model first.
untill then lets not fix whats not broken.
ColdWarrior57 on June 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM
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