Massacre near Iran’s Parliament? Audio: Eyewitness describes massacre

posted at 11:43 am on June 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

If Ali Khamenei thought that threats from the Revolutionary Guard would keep protests off the street, they have discovered that freedom doesn’t fade so quietly.  Protesters marched on the Parliament building today, according to CNN, and the mullahs met them with deadly force.  Broken bodies litter the streets as the regime amplifies its crackdown on opposition:

Security forces wielding clubs and firing weapons beat back demonstrators who flocked to a Tehran square Wednesday to continue protests, with one witness saying security forces beat people like “animals.”

At least two sources described wild and violent conditions at a part of Tehran where protesters had planned to demonstrate.

“They were waiting for us,” the source said. “They all have guns and riot uniforms. It was like a mouse trap.”

“I see many people with broken arms, legs, heads — blood everywhere — pepper gas like war,” the source said.

About “500 thugs” with clubs came out of a mosque and attacked people in the square, another source said.

The security forces were “beating women madly” and “killing people like hell,” the source said.

Gateway Pundit has been following the protests closely, with photos and videos.

The more the regime creates images and videos like this with violent reaction to protests, the less legitimate they become with Iranians.  Gandhi used this technique very effectively in India, when he and his followers would force the British to react harshly to non-violent provocations.  The difference between the two situations is substantia; Britain considered itself an enlightened empire, while Iran’s mullahs run a non-rational theocracy.  However, even those who support a nation run by mullahs will wonder what need Allah has of murderous Basiji, attacking peaceful if vociferous Iranians.

It’s hard to say the mullahs miscalculated in hauling out the IRGC, as they had little choice.  Their biggest blunder was manufacturing an election in the first place, especially one rigged from the start to include only mullah-approved candidates.

Update (AP): Horrible. But on the bright side, now Obama’s got a conversation icebreaker for that July 4th barbecue.



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HarryStar on June 24, 2009 at 12:21 PM

There are many ways we could help. We could set up relief stations in nearby countries for people fleeing the violence. We could work to help keep Twitter, YouTube and Facebook operating in Iran (some of which has been done).

We could supply some good old-fashioned printing presses through a shell company.

We could supply medical assistance.

We could push for a worldwide halt to purchases of Iranian oil until the crackdown ceases.

But mostly, we could turn our backs on the Mullahs and Ahmadinejad.

hawksruleva on June 24, 2009 at 12:13 PM

In the past, the US has been hampered in applying economic sanctions against Iran, as France and Germany have not been cooperative in these endeavors. With their current stance against the events in Iran, economic sanctions, particularly choking off gasoline supplies to Iran, might be the best course of action to persue.

ICBM on June 24, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Maybe I’m missing something.
TheBlueSite on June 24, 2009 at 12:14 PM

You are missing something, and that would be the power of the Iranian people FINALLY forcing the thugs who are in control of the government to listen to them.

Mousavi is also a thug of a different shade, but if he were to come to power because of public overthrow of the previous regime, he would know full well it could happen to him too. That’s the ultimate message being sent by the Iranian populace: We now control our own destiny and you better be good or we will get rid of you too.

Bishop on June 24, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Maybe I’m missing something.

TheBlueSite on June 24, 2009 at 12:14 PM

No you’re not. For many it’s too complicated to understand the complicated dynamics of the politics in Iran. So they take the easy road and lump all the protesters into the pro west pro democracy group.

The bottom line is that most of these people are simply protesting to get their brand of Islamic rule in place. Dinnerjacket wants to keep his. Then there are others who want a third type and then we have the pro democracy group.

Islam is Islam and until they throw the theocracy out and install a secular government, the rule of Muhammad will trump democratic reform.

csdeven on June 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlain look like General Gerorge S. Patton.

kingsjester on June 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM

TheBlueSite on June 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM

I don’t see a good outcome at all

Moussavi is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

so idk what needs to be done; what can be done

the audio is very disturbing

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM

So…what rhetoric level is Barry at now?

he’s gone from:

“concerned” to “deeply troubled” to “condemning” to “outraged”. I’m shocked! that the mullahs didn’t get the message when they heard Barry was “outraged”

Looks like a lively “debate” still going on in Tehran.

What a friggin’ disaster Barry is. He makes Carter look like Churchill.

Fed45 on June 24, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Did you mean Chamberlain, instead of Churchill?

ICBM on June 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Some people protest for actual liberty and western style democracy

others protest for just the same islamism

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM

500 Basiji poured out of a mosque and started beating everyone.

Yep, pretty much sounds like my local parish. No difference in ideology here.

WitchDoctor on June 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM

TheBlueSite, here’s what I think: while Mousavi may pre-election have been “Ahamadinejad-lite,” these protests will force him to become extremely reformist. The Iranian people aren’t out on the street protesting and dying for a slightly more reformist version of Ahmadinejad – not anymore. Mousavi will have to become a true reformist if he wants to retain their loyalty.

That’s my read of the situation anyway.

Yossarian on June 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Heckuva “extraordinary debate” they’re having over there in Iran…

RepubChica on June 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM

fourdeucer on June 24, 2009 at 12:01 PM

That video is scary as hell.

mbs on June 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM

I understand what Biden meant with “Gird your loins”.

dpierson on June 24, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Biden is the last person on earth to know what he meant. To the extent he meant anything rational, he must have known of a specific deal that had already been made, or was about to be made. Maybe Ogabe told him he would allow Iran to have nukes, or that they would be pressuring Israel big-time (my guess.) But there’s no way Biden “understands” Ogabe in some way that we don’t, and was being generally prescient about him. He’s way, way too stupid for that.

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Listen to this woman on the video. Her voice breaks my heart.

“You should stop this. You should stop this. You should help us.”

Yet our President turns a deaf ear and still plans on a BBQ with these savages.

These things go on around the world for centuries. Really nothing new, although we pray for them and shed a tear.

But what I find most revolting is that Obama wants to “dialogue” with them. The least he could do is sound like he means it when he voices his “concerns.”

He is disgusting.

Elisa on June 24, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Here our Øbama had his big show all lined up. He’d win over those mullahs with his calm and wise words and have the world gawping with admiration. But those brats like Neda had to go spoil everything….

dhimwit on June 24, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Thank George Bush for igniting the flame of freedom in the Iranians.

faraway on June 24, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Does anyone know if Google Earth is capable of finding these protest sites?

mechkiller_k on June 24, 2009 at 12:25 PM

csdeven on June 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM

The theocracy is really just another cleptocracy. The Irania guards are a state within a state and actually own lots of business. This is more about which power group get to feed on the money trough.
I am more concerned about how our government is handling the crisis – not well in my opinion

dpierson on June 24, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Still see little referenece to why a rigged election triggered such an uprising this time, when they’ve been rigged for decades.

Could it be the free elections their next-door neighbor has had, thanks to the LAST administration?

michaelo on June 24, 2009 at 11:55 AM

BINGO

Elisa on June 24, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Islam, the religion of peace.

faol on June 24, 2009 at 12:25 PM

I hope you are listening, Barack HUSSEIN Obama (PBUH)(SWT)(SAW)!

Dale in Atlanta on June 24, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Dale, I know you took a lot of crap about your beliefs of Obama being a Muslim. Since I have had to work so much this past couple of weeks I haven’t defended you. I’m with you, this guy is a creep and a muslim. If he has changed in the last 20 years, it sure hasn’t been his sympathies.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 24, 2009 at 12:25 PM

“You should help Iran demand freedom!”

Hillary? Mr. President?

forest on June 24, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Maybe I’m missing something.

TheBlueSite on June 24, 2009 at 12:14 PM

The protests. These people needed a catalyst, and, by all accounts, it looks like the election was it. Who knows, maybe in the end it will be no different, but the fact that they’ve taken to the streets, demanding basic rights and have now seen what their government will do to them… real freedom is possible.

That’s why I back the protesters. In this election they weren’t given a better choice. Now that they seem intent on taking back their country, we’ll finally get to see what they will freely choose.

Esthier on June 24, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Here’s my biggest question- why does everyone talk of these protests and use the word “freedom?” Isn’t Mousavi just as bad as dinnerjacket? And isn’t the chance of any real freedom in Iran nil if not for a complete overthrow of the mullahs and the theocratic govt that rules supreme?

Even after all the bloodshed, what is the best outcome? A loon who is merely a bit less loony than dinnerjacket?

Maybe I’m missing something.

TheBlueSite on June 24, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Yes you are. The issue is the people of Iran believe they voted for the lesser loon and he won, but their voices were not acknowledged. Thus they’ve been denied the freedom to choose who their leader is. The fact that Mousavi may be the lesser of two evils is not the issue. The issue is the current govt is surpressing the Iranian people’s freedom to choose.

Fed45 on June 24, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Ed, your looking at the problem though the lenses of a Western republic not through those of heavily militarized Islamic theocracy in regional ascent.

The Regime could as easily have let the demonstrations go unhindered without purposely escalating the situation to where physical conflict wasn’t just a mere possibility but an assured event, why didn’t they?

That’s one of questions that needs to be answered.

Earlg on June 24, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I think there is no denying that the person who will undo fundamentalist Islam is none other than Osama bin Laden. What he set in motion, and the repercussions thereof, are at the heart of all this.

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2009 at 12:26 PM

It looks like the “religion of peace” eats its own….

DL13 on June 24, 2009 at 12:26 PM

God I miss President Reagan!!!

WhatsRight on June 24, 2009 at 11:56 AM

And either Bush and even Clinton for that matter.

I have never been so appalled by a President. For about 100 reasons most of you already know and would agree with me on.

Elisa on June 24, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Does anyone know if Google Earth is capable of finding these protest sites?

What do you want to see? You realize Google Earth is not real time, right?

Fed45 on June 24, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Thank George Bush for igniting the flame of freedom in the Iranians.

faraway on June 24, 2009 at 12:24 PM

No great fan of G.W. but you are right. I will not believe that what has happened in Iraq hasn’t appealed to a majority in Iran.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM

About “500 thugs” with clubs came out of a mosque and attacked people in the square, another source said.

THIS is why we need to be able to attack mosques. These human excrement ba$tards hide behind their religion, literally.

cannonball on June 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM

If Neda’s murder was “a problem” to Obama, surely this warrants the word “quandary”.

Chuck Schick on June 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Thank George Bush for igniting the flame of freedom in the Iranians.

faraway on June 24, 2009 at 12:24 PM

I hear more protesters demanding freedom than demanding Mousavi; that is the only thing that keeps me hopeful.

Disturb the Universe on June 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM

The protests. These people needed a catalyst, and, by all accounts, it looks like the election was it. Who knows, maybe in the end it will be no different, but the fact that they’ve taken to the streets, demanding basic rights and have now seen what their government will do to them… real freedom is possible.

That’s why I back the protesters. In this election they weren’t given a better choice. Now that they seem intent on taking back their country, we’ll finally get to see what they will freely choose.

Esthier on June 24, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Very well said.

Yossarian on June 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM

500 Basiji poured out of a mosque and started beating everyone.

Yep, pretty much sounds like my local parish. No difference in ideology here.

WitchDoctor on June 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM

More like what will happen in a couple of years if you walk by the local ACRON/Obama yout army headquarters with a bible in your hand.

dpierson on June 24, 2009 at 12:29 PM

highhopes on June 24, 2009 at 12:08 PM

hawksruleva on June 24, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Exactly

Elisa on June 24, 2009 at 12:29 PM

It’s kinda funny, for the past eight years the left has been screaming “Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam!” yet now Dear Leader wants to shake hands with this group of thugs.

rbj on June 24, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Mohammad never planned for CNN, Twitter, blogs. If news isn’t controlled in Muslim societies, how can fundamentalist Islam survive. Even a decadent and corrupt West is apparently beating Mo’s notion of no rights for individuals.

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2009 at 12:29 PM

So nice to see this healthy debate continuing.

I weep when I think of Dear Leader’s infinite wisdom and compassion.

*sniff*

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 24, 2009 at 12:30 PM

So good to know Obarfing is really taking the lead

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 12:30 PM

dpierson on June 24, 2009 at 12:29 PM

They won’t beat me, I’ll be armed.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Thank George Bush for igniting the flame of freedom in the Iranians.

faraway on June 24, 2009 at 12:24 PM

No great fan of G.W. but you are right. I will not believe that what has happened in Iraq hasn’t appealed to a majority in Iran.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM

ditto

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Thank heavens Obama gave that speech in Cairo. This vigorous debate going on in Iran is just another part of the wonderfulness that is The One.

Thunderstorm129 on June 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM

It’s not a blunder if you’re eliminating the people who will oppose a dictatorship.

moonsbreath on June 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Good lord…that audio was disturbing. The poor woman says “it’s time to act”, yet even secular Iranians despise the US for intervening in the past.

Even if Obama wasn’t such a doofus on Iran and actually had the inclination to do something, what could he do?

flipflop on June 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM

The “debate” is “playing out”.

forest on June 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Obama is certainly saddened by this inconvenient moment for himself, but wants to see how it plays out for a while before forming an opinion. Once it fully plays out and his partner regime survives he will be able to understand it more and take bold leadership action.

PersianKiwi:

#
in Baharestan we saw militia with axe choping ppl like meat – blood everywhere – like butcher – Allah Akbar – #Iranelection RT RT RTabout 1 hour ago from web

econavenger on June 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM

The have done nothing but put forward words since WWII – no actions at all ever.

dpierson on June 24, 2009 at 12:19 PM

I blame the “progressive” movement for a lot of the worlds problems. Here’s why, in chronilogical order starting after WWI:

- Woodrow Wilson (the first progressive President) creates League of Nations.
- League of Nations and treaties punish the crap out of Germany and saddle with huge debts.
- Germany’s economy results in the rise of Hitler and WWII.
- WWII traumatizes the crap out of Europeans to the point they do not want to see another war (the rebel against their fighting past).
- US veterans from WWII and their wives want a super civil society (the 50′s). Their kids, rebeling as kids always do, go to the other extreme and produce theme generation, hippy movements, and other movements that are the opposite of what America as always stood for.
- These kids of WWII get power in the USA (Europe never gets the stomach to fight for principles).

This list could be expanded, but, to me, the “progressives” have caused A LOT of problems in the world.

WashJeff on June 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Did you mean Chamberlain, instead of Churchill?

No, I meant Churchill. Carter was horrible, but looks brilliant in comparison to Barry. Barry is worse than Chamberlain, if that is even possible.

Fed45 on June 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM

I’ll make a deal with you. I’ll hold the bible and look scared and you stand behind me with a 50 cal.

dpierson on June 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Thanks blatantblue.

I know it is not real time. I just wanted to see the areas where the protests are happening.

I am surprized that the Iranian government allows Google to map them at all.

mechkiller_k on June 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM

This isn’t what the Iranian Ambassadors are telling him.

Oh, what am I saying? We don’t have “formal” relations with Iran. The July 4th party must be informal. As to relations Eddie Murphy comes to mind.

- The Cat

MirCat on June 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Sully using Juan Cole to make another Bush=Ahmadinejad comparison: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/tehrans-unlicensed-protests.html

Some people are simply reprehensible.

nukemhill on June 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM

I weep when I think of Dear Leader’s infinite wisdom and compassion.

*sniff*

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 24, 2009 at 12:30 PM

It no longer matters what Ogabe says about Iran. Events have shown him not to be a major player in all this and on the world scene. He’s a little man, but he’s our little man, and we’ll have to deal with him.

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM

But on the bright side, now Obama’s got a conversation icebreaker for that July 4th barbecue.

Ugh, not even chuckle-worthy, sorry.

nickj116 on June 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM

I think there is no denying that the person who will undo fundamentalist Islam is none other than Osama bin Laden. What he set in motion, and the repercussions thereof, are at the heart of all this.

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I hope there is parallel here with Obama and statists policies (sans violence).

WashJeff on June 24, 2009 at 12:34 PM

No you’re not. For many it’s too complicated to understand the complicated dynamics of the politics in Iran. So they take the easy road and lump all the protesters into the pro west pro democracy group.

csdeven on June 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM

You’re doing the exact same by lumping them all in with Islamic theocracies.

Esthier on June 24, 2009 at 12:35 PM

I’ll make a deal with you. I’ll hold the bible and look scared and you stand behind me with a 50 cal.

dpierson on June 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Obviously don’t have a 50 cal. but with my military and police training, I do know how to shoot.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 24, 2009 at 12:35 PM

I think it’s important to remember that alot of these protesters do not agree with any of the officially sanctioned candidates. They may have voted for a more pro-Western styled candidate if they were allowed to.

They are standing up for their freedom. It may not be a perfect collection of freedom fighters, but they are putting their lives on the line and it is a good starting point towards true freedom years down the line. And perhaps a government one day less hostile to the USA.

Perhaps. What we know for sure is this one is a radical and dangerous anti-Semetic nut who hates us and is getting nukes. And Obama doesn’t care. He wants to show solidarity with them at a BBQ!

Elisa on June 24, 2009 at 12:35 PM

“Another hot dog, Supreme Leader?”

Cicero43 on June 24, 2009 at 12:35 PM

You’re doing the exact same by lumping them all in with Islamic theocracies.

Esthier on June 24, 2009 at 12:35 PM

some want genuine liberty and a divergence from Ayat’ocracy

some want the same old islamic theocracy under a different guy

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 12:36 PM

“You should help Iran demand freedom!”

Hillary? Mr. President?

forest on June 24, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Barry has yet to utter the word “freedom” when discussing the “debate” in Iran. What makes us think he will start now?

Fed45 on June 24, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Hey, remember when Abdul leaned over the bowl and accidentally got potato salad all over his beard? Good times.

LibTired on June 24, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Bishop on June 24, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Well said.

Elisa on June 24, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Barry has yet to utter the word “freedom” when discussing the “debate” in Iran. What makes us think he will start now?

Fed45 on June 24, 2009 at 12:36 PM

He doesn’t want it here, why would he support it elsewhere? Especially in a country where the regime has managed to maintain the kind of control over its citizenry that Obama wishes he had here . . .

califcon on June 24, 2009 at 12:38 PM

I really don’t see how any of this helps Michelle’s children.

crazy_legs on June 24, 2009 at 12:38 PM

It is a sin to bear witness to an atrocity and unable to call it evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ2uE7NrumA

StartinOver on June 24, 2009 at 12:39 PM

I am surprized that the Iranian government allows Google to map them at all.

Huh? It’s our satellites that are taking the pictures Google is using. Not sure how the Iranian govt can prevent our satellites from taking pictures.

Fed45 on June 24, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Someone should put huge speakers outside the White House and play her plead for help over and over again until the Iceberg in Chief melts.

If global temperatures are rising, how come our president is such a cold bastard?

Michelle Dubois on June 24, 2009 at 12:39 PM

He doesn’t want it here, why would he support it elsewhere? Especially in a country where the regime has managed to maintain the kind of control over its citizenry that Obama wishes he had here . . .

califcon on June 24, 2009 at 12:38 PM

He knows he can’t get that kind of control here. But he wants to let that part of the world know that he is on the side of the Muslims. Remember his book.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 24, 2009 at 12:40 PM

califcon on June 24, 2009 at 12:38 PM

The far left and the Mullahs are opposite sides of the same coin

a bunch of thuggish totalitarians.

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Esthier on June 24, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Yup

And why should Obama care about them getting more freedom when he wants to take our freedoms away here.

Elisa on June 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM

I hear more protesters demanding freedom than demanding Mousavi; that is the only thing that keeps me hopeful.

Disturb the Universe on June 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM

So do I. And even in talking about Mousavi, I saw far more asking that their vote be counted than that their leader be selected.

Very well said.

Yossarian on June 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Thank you. I could be wrong, but I see so much potential here.
Maybe it’s a small sliver of hope, but I think it’s worth it. What is there to lose really?

Esthier on June 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Obama should be there so he can personally beat the hell out of those dam protesters. God knows he chose sides a little too early.

Griz on June 24, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Update (AP): Horrible. But on the bright side, now Obama’s got a conversation icebreaker for that July 4th barbecue.

That was gloriously snide, Allahpundit.

Kralizec on June 24, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Thugocracy Enabler- The Obama Legacy. Yes we Can!

Fletch54 on June 24, 2009 at 12:42 PM

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Problem is, that the far left is too stupid and we are too smart. We will let them slide for awhile but we will kick ass when appropriate. That will happen in 2012.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on June 24, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Obama: “Let them eat butter-pecan”

BPD on June 24, 2009 at 12:43 PM

The woman on the audio pleading for help was heartbreaking. But I wonder how many of these people have shouted “Death to America” before. I’m fully behind the protestors, but I’m skeptical that their definition of “freedom” is our definition of freedom. Baby steps, I guess.

patriette on June 24, 2009 at 12:44 PM

So, if (and that’s a big IF), Iran’s people are successful in wrenching power back from these mullahs and their puppets, and if (another big IF), Iran walks into the UN as a normal member (to a round of applause, I would hope), will Obama do everything he can to try and steal some responsibility for himself? I known they already floated the Cairo=Iran uprising, to little support I hope. What’s to stop the one from just flat out saying he’s reponsible for it? The press will probably back him.

I wonder this because the flip side is something his ego won’t stand. He’ll be regulated to history’s dustbin in a pivotal moment where a repressive regime was overthrown by it’s own populace.

‘Where was Obama when freedom was born of blood in the sand?’, they will ask. Will it say he did it all himself or will it say he waffled and shuffled his feet in an attempt to make no decision at all so as to avoid any wrong decision.

In other words, if you see Obama scrambling harder to make himself a key player in this, you’ll know why.

“Oh, it’s going to be a success? Well, get out there! Tell folks how important my July 4th invite was!! I knew there would be a different regime in place come July 4th! That’s why the offer stood. Joe told you you wouldn’t understand what we do at first!”

Makes me sick to my stomach.

Thunderstorm129 on June 24, 2009 at 12:44 PM

csdeven on June 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Those protesters are beautiful.

portlandon on June 24, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Even if Obama wasn’t such a doofus on Iran and actually had the inclination to do something, what could he do?

flipflop on June 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM

He could make a strong, unequivocal statement that he will not recognize the illegitimate regime of Ahmadinejad.

mbs on June 24, 2009 at 12:45 PM

some want genuine liberty and a divergence from Ayat’ocracy

some want the same old islamic theocracy under a different guy

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 12:36 PM

I very much believe that; however, I think they’re all getting a taste of what that old Islamic theocracy really means, and that’s often a tipping point for many. Most people want that kind of crack down on others, not themselves.

Esthier on June 24, 2009 at 12:45 PM

But there’s no way Biden “understands” Ogabe in some way that we don’t, and was being generally prescient about him. He’s way, way too stupid for that.

So in other words – “A broken clock is right twice a day.”

crazy_legs on June 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM

I hope there is parallel here with Obama and statists policies (sans violence).

WashJeff on June 24, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Good point. I’ve said before that Obama single-handedly will end the whole civil rights/affirm. action era in America. He will also begin and end the debate on Am. exceptionalism and whether our unique capitalist/democratic meritocracy is desirable.

I constantly have to remind myself not to despair when I see the road we’re going down. It’s one of many potential roads only. I wasn’t raised with faith, so I’m teaching it to myself. :)

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Esthier on June 24, 2009 at 12:45 PM

And, believe it or not, some want the same old islamic theocracy under the same guy

ladyingray on June 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Incidentally, the July 4th barbecues are BYOB (Bring Your Own Basiji). Ice cream will be served, but don’t make jokes about it.

Jim Treacher on June 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Those protesters are beautiful.

portlandon on June 24, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Agreed.

Esthier on June 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Esthier on June 24, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Hope you’re right

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Fed45 on June 24, 2009 at 12:36 PM

califcon on June 24, 2009 at 12:38 PM

True, sad and scary

Elisa on June 24, 2009 at 12:47 PM

And, believe it or not, some want the same old islamic theocracy under the same guy

ladyingray on June 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM

I would think those people aren’t protesting. Don’t you?

Esthier on June 24, 2009 at 12:47 PM

So in other words – “A broken clock is right twice a day.”

crazy_legs on June 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM

You’d be great on twitter. 140 charac. max! :)

JiangxiDad on June 24, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Freedom isn’t free…

“You want relish on your hot dog?” – Barry Obama

Wyznowski on June 24, 2009 at 12:48 PM

He could make a strong, unequivocal statement that he will not recognize the illegitimate regime of Ahmadinejad.

mbs on June 24, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Well, he could easily do that if he wasn’t such an inept dilettante. But in the context of the caller’s plea for action, what could he do beyond not recognizing the murderous theocracy?

flipflop on June 24, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Are we really just going to sit on the bench on this one? Really? I can’t believe this. I miss the old days when we used to go in, kick ass and let god sort out the rest. Just say’n. Good times. Now? We are pond scum.

FerfeLaBat on June 24, 2009 at 12:48 PM

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