Does Rafsanjani have the votes to oust Khamenei?

posted at 5:45 pm on June 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The theocratic regime in Iran may have decided that they can only hold power through significant change in their structure.  According to the British outlet International Business Times and al-Arabiya in Saudi Arabia, Akhbar Hashemi Rafsanjani has convinced enough members of the Assembly of Experts that Ali Khamenei cannot continue as Supreme Leader to oust him.  His ideas for reform may not have much support past that point, however:

As the Iranian government continues to crackdown on protestors against the disputed re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, behind the scenes there is reported to be movement which, although hidden, could bring an end the reign of the country’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei and Mr Ahmadinejad.

Behind the scenes Khamenei’s arch rival, Ayatollah Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani is believed to be working to remove the Supreme Leader and is even reported to be considering abolishing the post of Supreme Leader altogether in what would be the biggest constitutional change since the Islamic Revolution in 1979.

Rafsanjani is the head of Iran’s Expediency Council and crucially the Assembly of Experts which is responsible for overseeing and if necessary removing the Supreme leader. He is also a prominent backer of Mir Hossein Mousavi, the defeated presidential candidate who has become the focal point for protestors.

The straw that broke the camel’s back was apparently Khamenei’s speech on Friday, which was not well received by the Assembly of Experts.  They saw it as needlessly divisive, which is an understatement, considering the massive unrest in the five days since.  They are also reportedly unhappy with Khamenei’s close ties to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as the Supreme Leader is supposed to remain above the trivialities of partisan politics.

But what would come next?  Rafsanjani wants an end to the Supreme Leader position altogether, but reportedly doesn’t have many takers for that idea.  Rafsanjani wants a collaborative council instead of one man at the top, which would be like the Guardian Council they have now, presumably.  It would be tougher for one man to throw elections and to lead Iran into isolation from the world, but also more difficult to efficiently wield power against an opposition movement such as the one on the streets now.

Threatswatch notes that this information first came through al-Arabiya, and wonders how accurate it might be:

As a commenter noted on our earlier post on this, Regime Change Iran: Movement Seeks to Eliminate ‘Supreme Leader’ Position, al-Arabia is a Saudi Arabian news outlet and no friend to the Iranian regime. But rather than use that as a manner of dismissing, I think it actually buttresses the credibility of the source on this matter. Because Rafsanjani can now be seen as also. clearly, no friend of the Iranian regime. or, more specifically, neither friend nor defender of ‘Supreme’ Leader Ayatollah Khamenei.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

We can certainly hope it is accurate, but even if it is, would the people of Iran accept only the replacement of the Supreme Leader and Ahmadinejad?  Or have events moved past that to more basic questions about the legitimacy of the entire theocracy?  Either way, the Revolutionary Guard and Basij might remain loyal to Khamenei rather than the Assembly of Experts — or take power themselves in a coup that would render Rafsanjani and Khamenei irrelevant.

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artist on June 24, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Great post

Been wondering a lot about Raf’s friends in the Majlis Khob

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 5:48 PM

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Considering Rafsanjani wants to nuke Israel I’m not really sure that this maxim is helpful.

aengus on June 24, 2009 at 5:49 PM

would the people of Iran accept only the replacement of the Supreme Leader and Ahmadinejad?

Does this guy feel the need for Nukes?

upinak on June 24, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Either way, the Revolutionary Guard and Basij might remain loyal to Khamenei rather than the Assembly of Experts — or take power themselves in a coup that would render Rafsanjani and Khamenei irrelevant.

Or, in the best option, various factions of guards and basij pick sides amongst the various mullahs, and start shooting at each other. Preferably in a large field, away from civilians.

Vashta.Nerada on June 24, 2009 at 5:50 PM

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Oh, so that’s why Obama assumes enemies of the USA will befriend him.

Daggett on June 24, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Obama is in a tricky position…he obviously cannot throw his rhetorical weight around to prop up the existing regime. However, he must be careful of the “enemy of my enemy…” strategy. That mentality led us to arm the mujahideen in Afghanistan in the 1980′s against the Communists, and likewise to back Saddam in the Iran-Iraq War.

The first option is incredibly wrong and political suicide, but Rafsanjani and Mousavi are crazy like foxes and not to be underestimated. Remember what some have said – the moderates want the bomb too; they’re just not stupid enough to announce it out loud.

Flyover Country on June 24, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Flyover Country on June 24, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Wolves in sheep’s clothing

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 5:55 PM

The real question is will Akhbar Hashemi Rafsanjani RSVP a Weenie Roast Invitation?

JamesLee on June 24, 2009 at 5:56 PM

(Note: This article about Rafsanjani is from 2007.)

Rafsanjani: The Next Supreme Leader of Iran?

Firstly, Rafsanjani is no moderate. When it comes to Iran, the term moderate is very relative. How “moderate,” for example, are his statements “that Israel is ‘the most hideous occurrence in history,’ which the Muslim world ‘will vomit out from its midst’ in one blast, because ‘a single atomic bomb has the power to completely destroy Israel, while an Israeli counterstrike can only cause partial damage to the Islamic world’”? (City Journal, Spring 2006).

aengus on June 24, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Flyover Country on June 24, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Wolves in sheep’s clothing

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Exactly.

Flyover Country on June 24, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Screwed up my own tags. FAIL.

Flyover Country on June 24, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Id love to invite the Iranians…

“for dinner”
evil laugh
mwahahahahahahahahaaaaa

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Screwed up my own tags. FAIL.

Flyover Country on June 24, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Obama is very flattered you are trying to imitate his entire presidency

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Totally worthless and fact-free post based on Saudi BS, by a guy who thought Cairo speech was “surprisingly good”.

Face it, Ed, you suck in anything that has to do with foreign politics.

Aristotle on June 24, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Saad Ibrahim in the WSJ.

John the Libertarian on June 24, 2009 at 6:01 PM

…” strategy. That mentality led us to arm the mujahideen in Afghanistan in the 1980’s against the Communists, Flyover Country on June 24, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Yes we did arm the mujahideen because they were being slaughtered by the Russians. We had no way of knowing they would morph into the taliban and AQ. Something about us Americans, we tend to abhor the slaughter of civilians.

fourdeucer on June 24, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Aristotle on June 24, 2009 at

Really, man?

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Does Rafsanjani have the votes to oust Khamenei?

Hence it happened that all the armed prophets conquered, all the unarmed perished.
- Niccolo Machiavelli

MB4 on June 24, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Obama is in a tricky position…he obviously cannot throw his rhetorical weight around to prop up the existing regime. However, he must be careful of the “enemy of my enemy…” strategy.

Flyover Country on June 24, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Oh come now Flyover, this is by no means a tricky position for THE ONE, all he has to do is re-invite the Iranians to his 4th of July BBQ and all will be right with the world again!

P.S. I hear Obambi’s July 4th BBQ will have unicorns, superheroes, and a clown that does nothing but apologize for all the bad things the US has done…oh wait…never mind, I hear Obambi will play the part of the clown since he’s already proven he’s so good at it!

Liberty or Death on June 24, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Whoa!!!…Hang on there. Since when did who had more votes have anything to do with this circus???

BigWyo on June 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM

If the ‘Assembly of Experts’ votes to dismiss Khamenei, will he step down peacefully, or will he order the Revolutionary Guard to arrest the ‘Assembly of Experts’?

Or will the ‘Assembly of Experts’ have to order the Guard, or the Army to remove Khamenei?

Skandia Recluse on June 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM

I think its past the point where whoever is in charge can really satisfy the protestors. When you start killing protestors its hard to save face.

lavell12 on June 24, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Why not just assassinat the Khamenei?

lavell12 on June 24, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Found these two headlines from Google search: It is simple
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Similar scenarios yet different policies
Obama to Iran: We are not interested in toppling your regime has sponsored terrorists and has killed civilians with little or no regard, has clandestinely …
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Bush Doctrine>
Saddam’s regime is toppled as US marines liberate Baghdad … First reports that Iraqi civilians were showing their defiance of the regime came from Saddam …
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The only way to truly topple a Theocratic regime is by force. The protesters should be asked if they want what Iraq has today.
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Why are not these questions being asked by the WH press corp to the President of the United States?
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Do we really want to remove the nuclear threat or not?

Americannodash on June 24, 2009 at 6:42 PM

If the ‘Assembly of Experts’ votes to dismiss Khamenei, will he step down peacefully, or will he order the Revolutionary Guard to arrest the ‘Assembly of Expertspull a Blago?

Snip

Skandia Recluse on June 24, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Big John on June 24, 2009 at 6:44 PM

There will not be a significant change in Iran through unarmed resistance.
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History does not support it.
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Regime change to democratic government itself can occur only through military action.
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This is why W was right & O is wrong.

Americannodash on June 24, 2009 at 6:49 PM

General Patton had it right.
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Patton implored Dwight D. Eisenhower to fight on against Russia after the down fall of Germany in the European theater. General Patton knew who were our enemies then yet, Eisenhower demurred to Patten suggestion to pursue Russia. What Truman’s thoughts were at that time I know not.
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General Patton’s quote: Americans love a winner and don’t tolerate a loser.

Americannodash on June 24, 2009 at 7:06 PM

This reports come via Saudi Arabia?
As if they don’t have a horse in this race.

MzeeTamu on June 24, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Whoa!!!…Hang on there. Since when did who had more votes have anything to do with this circus???

BigWyo on June 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Awesome.

myrenovations on June 24, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Your premise is flawed…. What the H does a VOTE mean in Iran, religious or political…. it’s all power and screw democracy.

PaCadle on June 24, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Typical Ed ignorance on Islam and the Middle East. It would be hilarious, if it wasn’t so sadly uninformed. His “We can certainly hope it is accurate” statement cheering on Rafsanjani is so breathtakingly clueless, especially when you consider that Rafsanjani is wanted for his role as the mastermind of the Buenos Aires Hezbollah bombings of the Jewish community center and Israeli Embassy in Beirut. You know, just a tiny, irrelevant detail we need not concern ourselves with. When a guy shoots up a Holocaust Museum in America and kills one, Ed condemns him. But, hey, when a guy blows up two buildings in two different years and murders at least 114 people, he’s “my friend” for whose success Ed “can certainy hope.” It’s bad enough when you drink the Islamic green Kool-Aid. Utterly embarrassing when you don’t even know what the cup stands for. A giant comedy when thousands cheer you on in your ignorance and themselves drink the Kool-Aid, too.

Debbie Schlussel on June 24, 2009 at 9:37 PM

When a guy shoots up a Holocaust Museum in America and kills one, Ed condemns him. But, hey, when a guy blows up two buildings in two different years and murders at least 114 people

Debbie Schlussel on June 24, 2009 at 9:37 PM

A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
- Josef Stalin

MB4 on June 24, 2009 at 9:53 PM

In refusing to stick their necks out – and so effectively siding with the mullahs against the pro-democracy activists in the streets – US President Barack Obama, like Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Mossad chief Meir Dagan, have all rightly pointed out that Mir Hossein Mousavi, Iran’s former prime minister and the titular head of the protest movement, is just as radical and extreme as Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad whom he seeks to unseat.

Moreover, Western officials and analysts point out that Mousavi’s primary backers from within the regime – former presidents Muhammad Khatami and Akbar Rafsanjani – are themselves anything but anti-regime revolutionaries.

What apparently motivates these men is the sense that through Ahmadinejad’s heavy-handed attacks against the revolution’s “old guard,” the presidential incumbent has shunted them aside. They feel slighted. And they are doubly humiliated by the fact that Ahmadinejad has acted with the open support of Iran’s real dictator – so-called “Supreme Leader” Ali Khamenei. The likes of Mousavi, Khatami and Rafsanjani don’t want to overthrow the regime whose aims they share. They just want to restore their power within the regime.

aengus on June 24, 2009 at 9:58 PM

It is not only, or even primarily, about Rafsanjani and Mousavi and Khatami.

Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

MB4 on June 24, 2009 at 10:06 PM

It is not only, or even primarily, about Rafsanjani and Mousavi and Khatami.

Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

MB4 on June 24, 2009 at 10:06 PM

I know. The linked article comes out in favour of Israel supporting the protestors.

aengus on June 24, 2009 at 10:17 PM

It’s a fascinating story. One thing is certain. Things have changed in Iran.

AnninCA on June 24, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Trust me, at $25 a barrel, he won’t be declaring that the Holocaust was a myth anymore.

Friedman is so naive about the Mullah’s ideology it’s embarrassing. Hey Tom, they actually believe it is a myth.

Dollayo on June 24, 2009 at 10:50 PM

More importantly…is his approval rating at least as high as Obamas?

daesleeper on June 24, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Debbie Schlussel on June 24, 2009 at 9:37 PM

I’ve watched you become a very aggressive, angry person over time.

It’s been a sad spiral.

blatantblue on June 24, 2009 at 11:52 PM

Mahmoud may be in Zurich with a suitcase full of loot before the discontent ends.

profitsbeard on June 25, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Endangered species? God, I hope so.

fireweednectar on June 25, 2009 at 3:03 AM