Hopefully, the protests around the country at the local ABC affiliates will be more powerful (providing they are covered by the MSM).

Seems like a missed opportunity.

The GOP of the last ten years, in a nutshell.

doodleduh on June 23, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Thank you. I will pass on the information

timinnc on June 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Right on. If the RNC thinks the younger voters (who are the ones who will decide this issue) are attracted by this ad, they are out of their gourds. A successful ad would need flashy graphics, quick sound bites, and take into account the minuscule attention span of the latest couple generations.

Frankly, I think it’s too late to dissuade the masses from dragging us all into Obamacare. The polls that get thrown about by the big-name news networks – and regurgitated by the mouthbreathers – are quite obviously doctored, IMO, but there is very wide support for the idea. Insurance agencies are apparently evil and the government can magically make it all better if us backwards freemarketers would get out of the way.

I personally have despaired of debating anyone on this madness. Nothing I have thrown at Obamacare supporters elicits more than a blank stare or regurgitated socialist propaganda or a childish insult. Personal horror stories, hard economic data, scholarly research, logical arguments…nothing works. Nothing at all.

Turned out to be a benign cyst. But I’m sure glad I didn’t have to wait weeks or months to find out like I would have under ObamaCare.

Our health care system isn’t perfect but it’s served me just fine.

The RNC is wasting their money with ads like this. They’re mostly preaching to the choir and it’s ineffective.

If they have any ‘hope’ (I actually hate that word now) in being effective in waking up people to the reality of what ObamaCare means they really need a different approach.

TiminNC

myrenovations has an interesting idea with making the loser pay. How about fines and loss of law license for con artists like John Edwards, the king of ambulance chasers and frivolous law suits?

Special K on June 23, 2009 at 5:39 PM

A loser pay system would be like Draino in a clogged pipe.

Sure, it stays clogged for a little while longer, but after awhile… no problem.

You think the current system is healthy? I want reform that gets rid of the government impediments to competition.

lorien1973 on June 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Now that’s healthcare reform I can believe in!

I demand this in the name of EQUALITY and the WORKER’S PARADISE.

OhEssYouCowboys on June 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM

+2!

Congratulations, how wonderful! This brings me to a question. A precious little thirty-something mother from my church has just been diagnosed with uterine cancer stage 3. She and her husband are very hard-working he works on gas rigs I think and she works as a full-time teacher’s aid for multi-handicapped children. They have no insurance and already have $100,000 in medical bills. Their only alternative now is MD Anderson who wants $14,000 up front to even see her. I absolutely am opposed to Obamacare or any kind of government-run care. The pie-suppers…. have started or course, but this does seem excessive. What is the answer to this type of situation?

Renae on June 23, 2009 at 5:02 PM

As neither of them have insurance but both have jobs, that’s unfortunate.
MD Anderson is the Preeminent cancer treatment center in the southwestern region if not the US. Personally I would find a way to get the treatment there.

More likely the $14,000 is a deposit on the estimated cost of services – not “just to see her”. If she pays it in advance she would be eligible for a discount, alternately her patient services rep can set up a payment plan. Every hospital has a social services department with social workers that help folks in your friends situation. Try negotiating the fees, or negotiating the payments. Somethings are negotiable. Find out what insurance pays & if it’s less see if they would take the same from a self-pay.

Once a bill is received be prepared to go line by line on the costs, billings mistakes are made from time to time. Just because it’s a hospital bill don’t treat it any differently than you would the check-out line.

Glad it was caught. Your friend would languish in Obamacare, awaiting approval with no choice to find a way pay. Now paying is our only concern at least we get to choice if we live, yes live in debt, but live.

Rest assured, though, the feds aren’t going to take away your right to private insurance. They’re just going to make the public plan cheap enough to drive private insurers out of business.

I have an individual policy from Blue Cross. In the past ten years, the cost has tripled. And they are asking for another 44% increase, because they don’t make any money off individual policies. Even though they are a non profit.

Insurers want to go out of the individual policy business. As soon as the government comes in, they will make their policies so expensive (they are already becoming unaffordable) that people will have to drop them. And then the private insurers can continue their non profit job of making huge profits.

Renae:

I am sure it is a lot of things, but back when it costs $15 to see a Doctor, health care was a lot more basic. People use insurance today for things that used to be just day to day expenses.

Used to there were not nearly so many treatments and procedures and medications available to people.

Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Yes I was being overly simplistic, but the cost still seems to have sky-rocketed beyond all reason. Not that I think you are disagreeing.

doodleduh on June 23, 2009 at 5:41 PM

The government is in our business enough as it is, I’m not about to support giving it the power of life and death.

Gotta go to VBS thanks all. Believers please take a minute to pray for my friend–’the young lady in Oklahoma.’

Okay, so it was appealed but how many of them are not? I think we both make valid points, so what is the solution? There should be a way to prevent the frivolous lawsuits in the first place instead of clogging our legal system.

myrenovations has an interesting idea with making the loser pay. How about fines and loss of law license for con artists like John Edwards, the king of ambulance chasers and frivolous law suits?

Special K on June 23, 2009 at 5:39 PM

I practiced law for 21 years, and I NEVER signed on to a frivolous lawsuit. Why? Because I neither wanted to tarnish my reputation in the legal community [believe me - the hacks are recognized], nor did I want to waste my time and money on something that was a loser.

There are already disciplinary measures in place, for those who bring frivolous lawsuits – they can be sanctioned by the Court.

The last thing we need is more Statist bureaucracy telling the People what they can and can’t do.

In the end, the problem is with the hack attorneys that the media spotlight. But, trust me, most attorneys just want to do a reputable and good job for their client – because that is good business. Unfortunately, the media don’t spotlight them.

Thank you, she is miraclously upbeat and positve. I am really ignorant of the whole system to be honest. What has changed from the time that my grandparents use to see the Dr. for $15.00 or something. Is it tort? illegals? insurance companies? As Reagan said, “I’m from the government and I’m here to help,” is not comforting, I’m just not sure what the correct solution is.

Renae on June 23, 2009 at 5:32 PM

You don’t need to know every practical aspect of the debate to be knowledgeable on it. Just knowing the MORAL aspect of it is enough.

Just think about it: Health care is a service that is provided to people by doctors. In exchange, we give the doctors money when they operate on us.

Currently, the government is pushing for the enslavement of doctors. Already they are being told they can not turn anyone away, even if they can’t pay. They are, in essence, telling the doctors they have no right to choose who to work on, but that they must serve the people.

What Obama wants to do is to force you to pay for OTHER PEOPLE”S health care. You can see how monstrous this is. He wants to make it so that all of us have to pool our money together as a great big collective, then dish out money to people based on who “needs” it most.

If you know that, you can debate the sh*t out of a statist on the issue.

they went with gauzy palaver about a GOP alternative that’ll go nowhere in Congress

You bitch when the Republicans ‘complain’ about Obama’s plans, saying “What’s their plan?”. They give you an alternative to Obama’s ideas……and you complain.