Video: New RNC ad hits ABC for Obama infomercial

posted at 4:35 pm on June 23, 2009 by Allahpundit

Something for everyone here: For the base, a heaping helping of media bias to get outrageously outraged about, and for centrists, a somber reminder that ObamaCare isn’t a fait accompli. Even so, I’m mystified as to why they didn’t cite the cold, hard, devastating numbers. They’re obviously trying to leverage bailout fatigue and jitters over spending — the words “government takeover” are repeated no less than three times in 60 seconds — but instead of quoting the trillion-dollar pricetag and deficit projections, they went with gauzy palaver about a GOP alternative that’ll go nowhere in Congress. Seems like a missed opportunity.

Rest assured, though, the feds aren’t going to take away your right to private insurance. They’re just going to make the public plan cheap enough to drive private insurers out of business.

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Rest assured, though, the feds aren’t going to take away your right to private insurance. They’re just going to make the public plan cheap enough to drive private insurers out of business.

Yes and we ungrateful citizens for not wanting this!

ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM

but instead of quoting the trillion-dollar pricetag and deficit projections, they went with gauzy palaver about a GOP alternative that’ll go nowhere in Congress. Seems like a missed opportunity.

color me surprised
/sarc

cmsinaz on June 23, 2009 at 4:39 PM

eh

XWing5 on June 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Yes and we are ungrateful citizens for not wanting this!

ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Cwap…

ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM

They’re just going to make the public plan cheap enough to drive private insurers out of business. . . .

Didn’t you forget the ellipsis?

dtestard on June 23, 2009 at 4:41 PM

I guess I don’t know what is broken about our health care system. I go to a doctor about some problems I might be having and the doctor makes a diagnosis and prescribes a treatment for me and I get better. And I might add, in a timely manner.

cjs1943 on June 23, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Republicans want health care reform

Wait, I don’t want health care reform and I’m a…oh yeah, I’m a conservative.

Keyser-Soze on June 23, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Who’s going to air it? How long before someone complains, the RNC rolls over, and they pull it?

Blake on June 23, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Keyser-Soze on June 23, 2009 at 4:42 PM

You think the current system is healthy? I want reform that gets rid of the government impediments to competition.

lorien1973 on June 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Since we’re all going to be “EQUAL” in Utopia, and since that means that we’re as important to the Worker’s Paradise as the political pigs in perpetuity are, I DEMAND – IN THE NAME OF THE WORKER’S PARADISE – one of two things:

That the little worker’s, like us, have the same healthcare as the political pigs in perpetuity workers have, or,

in the alternative,

that the political pigs in perpetuity workers have the same healthcare as we, little workers, have.

I demand this in the name of EQUALITY and the WORKER’S PARADISE.

OhEssYouCowboys on June 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Rest assured, though, the feds aren’t going to take away your right to private insurance. They’re just going to make the public plan cheap enough to drive private insurers out of business.

Finish the thought…then when they “own it” they will then jack up the price, by raising taxes until the economy is so bloated that only the very wealthy exist, and the very poor…the middle class gets soaked again.
It was said decades ago…I will pay you Thursday for a hamburger today…the irony that a cartoon is so descriptive of our government.

right2bright on June 23, 2009 at 4:45 PM

but instead of quoting the trillion-dollar pricetag and deficit projections, they went with gauzy palaver about a GOP alternative that’ll go nowhere in Congress. Seems like a missed opportunity.

A missed opportunity indeed.

Rightwing Czar on June 23, 2009 at 4:45 PM

but instead of quoting the trillion-dollar pricetag and deficit projections, they went with gauzy palaver about a GOP alternative that’ll go nowhere in Congress. Seems like a missed opportunity.

It seems to be the M.O. for the RNC. Mr. Steele, it’s time for you to go. We need someone with some onions and some brains to lead us.

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 4:46 PM

They’re just going to make the public plan cheap enough to drive private insurers out of business.

I have been wondering if they will try the same with cars. Seriously.

SlimyBill on June 23, 2009 at 4:46 PM

I guess I don’t know what is broken about our health care system. I go to a doctor about some problems I might be having and the doctor makes a diagnosis and prescribes a treatment for me and I get better. And I might add, in a timely manner.

cjs1943 on June 23, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Try the obscene insurance policies they have to carry…the Hipaa laws being enforce…the regulations.
All of these and many others designed to push the prices so high that the ordinary can’t afford the insurance…then the gov. takes over.

right2bright on June 23, 2009 at 4:47 PM

lorien1973 on June 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM

I didn’t say that. Of course, ANYTHING could be improved upon, including health care. If you think the current batch of republicans are going to fix anything, good luck with that.

Keyser-Soze on June 23, 2009 at 4:48 PM

SlimyBill on June 23, 2009 at 4:46 PM

with this crowd, you never know….

cmsinaz on June 23, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Kind of like that bankrupt the coal industry plan he tauted in San Francisco before the elections?

Seems to be a consistent theme with the guy.

joedoe on June 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM

The Mrs. was finally diagnosis with a rare lymphoma in 2006. I say finally because it took a while to get it correct. Got her to MD Anderson and thanks to her attitude she has beaten the odds and is now cancer free. She was 49 then.

I am certain that had this been up to the govenment then I would be a lonely widower.

This has to stop.

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Rest assured, though, the feds aren’t going to take away your right to private insurance. They’re just going to make the public plan cheap enough to drive private insurers out of business.

and that’s different because . . . ?

Special K on June 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Administration Broadcasting Ciphers

MB4 on June 23, 2009 at 4:50 PM

The ONLY healthcare reform we need is to stop giving free medical care to non-citizens….then, we can help out the citizens that are small business owners, have pre-conditions, and slip thru the cracks.

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Cwap…

ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM

I jinxed you.

upinak on June 23, 2009 at 4:50 PM

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 4:50 PM

That would be called commons sense. Come ON! You know there is none of that now!

upinak on June 23, 2009 at 4:51 PM

The Mrs. was finally diagnosis with a rare lymphoma in 2006. I say finally because it took a while to get it correct. Got her to MD Anderson and thanks to her attitude she has beaten the odds and is now cancer free. She was 49 then.

I am certain that had this been up to the govenment then I would be a lonely widower.

This has to stop.

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Good news AND, yes, you are VERY CORRECT! This HAS to stop!

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Lets make sure that the President and Congress get all of the benefits of this “Government Run” Health Care System.

I’ll beleive they think it is a good deal when THEY relinquish their First Class Congressional Health Insurance for this new wiz-bang program.

Oh, they’re probably exempt, just like the unions.

Go figure? What a Country!

SayNo2-O on June 23, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Republicans also want tort reform.

fourdeucer on June 23, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Republicans want health care reform?!!

No, we don’t. We want TORT REFORM!! Stop the stupid, frivolous law suits and costs will go down.

Oh, wait a minute–how much money do the trial lawyers’ lobbyists give to the Democrats? Guess that ain’t gonna happen.

Special K on June 23, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Barack’s Healthcare Company Store

SlimyBill on June 23, 2009 at 4:53 PM

As a small business owner I can tell you that the insurance premiums are tough. But, we (U.S.) have the best healthcare in the world. I pay it because I believe in my people and want the best for them.

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Might also consider cutting illegal aliens off the public teat, too.

Special K on June 23, 2009 at 4:54 PM

The video isn’t hard hitting. However, it appears they tried to keep it simple so that ordinary smoes could understand it. Unfortunately, I don’t think the smoes will see the video unless it’s in rotation on MTV, VH1, CNN, MSNBC, etc.

txag92 on June 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM

The best way to make health care affordable to all Americans is to take the position that Tricare takes. ONLY pay what the procedure is worth. Being military and trying to find a health care provider “off base” is not an easy task due to the fact that docs only take so many Tricare patients. The reason why is they cannot charge 110% of the cost of the procedure. It is the insurance companies fault that health care is so expensive. They are paying that 110% price tag. I know this because my son was turned away from an orthopedic surgeon because “tricare will not pay 110% that we charge”. No Sh!t.

milwife88 on June 23, 2009 at 4:56 PM

I jinxed you.

upinak on June 23, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Nope. Did that to myself…

ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 4:56 PM

I am just not going to get it.. private or Government if implimented. Then I will run the streets saying I am middle calss and can’t afford the Government Cheese of Healthcare!

upinak on June 23, 2009 at 4:56 PM

I just can’t figure out how someones Right to health care becomes my Responsibility to pay for it.

fourdeucer on June 23, 2009 at 4:57 PM

The video isn’t hard hitting. However, it appears they tried to keep it simple so that ordinary smoes could understand it. Unfortunately, I don’t think the smoes will see the video unless it’s in rotation on MTV, VH1, CNN, MSNBC, etc.

txag92 on June 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Well, there could be a “reality show,” complete with saline filled tramps, and airhead cabana boys, where the issues are discussed, in depth.

OhEssYouCowboys on June 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM

We have to pass Obamacare now!! The current health care system is unsustainable!!! Even though it has been sustaining us just fine for years with very few changes!!!

For the umpteenth time, here’s Obama’s plan:

Endless bailouts + budget + health care + cap & trade = collapse the economy -> he brings radical socialism to the rescue.

He’s already laying the foundation for a socialist nation with government-run banks, insurance, auto companies, proposed energy rules, building up ACORN/COI.

Daggett on June 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM

That was weak. Plus it was dark. Hard to see.

I am not sure I like what the Republicans are pushing. I think there are several things which can be done without spending any money for health care. Beyond tort reform we could get to the bottom of all this fraud. Something like $78 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud goes on per year.

Plus, I am not for medical records being on the net or any government run computer system. Anyone remember how many problems our security agencies have been hacked or had info stolen via laptops or morons leaving computers vulnerable?

And how about the RNC dispelling the lie that 45 million are uninsured! What about exposing the number of illegals this will cover?

freeus on June 23, 2009 at 4:59 PM

First he fixed the financial industry. Then he fixed the automobile industry. Next up is the health care industry. Awesome.

Kenosha Kid on June 23, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Not only did they miss the mark, but it’s not like there’s nobody in between the patient-doctor relationship today: it’s called a health insurer.

Blew it again. They had serious numbers that are verifiably bone-chilling, and instead went with this pablum. They should fire whoever is doing their PR.

redfoxbluestate on June 23, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Well, it will appeal to those who are 50-50 on any government involvement but are concerned with the rapid speed of Obama’s agenda. I like the final line.

But, yeah, I’m against any government involvement in health care unless they are dealing with tort reform or want to decrease the CRAP LOAD of services to illegal aliens who birth continuous anchor babies on the government’s tab.

Mommypundit on June 23, 2009 at 5:02 PM

The Mrs. was finally diagnosis with a rare lymphoma in 2006. I say finally because it took a while to get it correct. Got her to MD Anderson and thanks to her attitude she has beaten the odds and is now cancer free. She was 49 then.

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Congratulations, how wonderful! This brings me to a question. A precious little thirty-something mother from my church has just been diagnosed with uterine cancer stage 3. She and her husband are very hard-working he works on gas rigs I think and she works as a full-time teacher’s aid for multi-handicapped children. They have no insurance and already have $100,000 in medical bills. Their only alternative now is MD Anderson who wants $14,000 up front to even see her. I absolutely am opposed to Obamacare or any kind of government-run care. The pie-suppers…. have started or course, but this does seem excessive. What is the answer to this type of situation?

Renae on June 23, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Well, there could be a “reality show,” complete with saline filled tramps, and airhead cabana boys, where the issues are discussed, in depth.

OhEssYouCowboys on June 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Oh my gawd, did you see that show too? I think it was on the Logo channel. :)

txag92 on June 23, 2009 at 5:02 PM

If is wasn’t for the power grab it would not be a tough problem to fix:

1. Tort reform – Don’t have to limit settlements. Just make plantiffs paid court costs and attourney fees if they lose.
2. Illegals – Non-life threatening emergency care should require proof of citizenship ( like voting should be). For the bleeding hearts.. you could set up a pool to help pay these cost.
3. Allow small businesses and individuals to pool premiums to sread risks and lower costs.

Done

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 5:02 PM

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Feel like running for office?

txag92 on June 23, 2009 at 5:04 PM

freeus on June 23, 2009 at 4:59 PM

I’m with you on this computerized medical record nonsense–which, unfortunately, Newt Gingrich, in an act of “bipartisanship” with Hillary, has been instrumental in pushing forward. My husband retired from the Army in 2005 (22 years), and we are on Tricare Prime. Tricare’s data base was hacked into and the entire family’s social security numbers were stolen. Nightmare. We were lucky and nobody used them to try and get credit, but we had to go through the hassle of keeping a very close eye on our credit ratings.

Special K on June 23, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Renae on June 23, 2009 at 5:02 PM

It is a problem. Your friends is not the only case where MDA is requiring hugh up front payments. They are an arm of the UT system and I have been lobbying for them to use more of the 100M+ in grants and donations for instances like this. We’ll keep fighting and our prayers are with your friends as I know the journey that is ahead. Tell them for me to stay positve. It really does make a difference.

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Congratulations, Houston. You are nominated for our healthcare secretary of HA government. Can I get a second?

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 5:10 PM

txag92 on June 23, 2009 at 5:04 PM

LOL not hardly..I’ll quote Beck when he said “what you mean we’re out of missles!”

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Republicans want bipartisan? Yeah, that’s why you lose.

They should hire the pennies guy to make their ads. Or just play the vid cut to 30 that shows their talks about killing private coverage.

- The Cat

MirCat on June 23, 2009 at 5:10 PM

freeus on June 23, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Some of the fraud that goes on is due to uninsured people using the emergency rooms for their primary health care. The doctors have to bill for their services, so they do procedures and testing that may not be needed but they have to cover their costs.

fourdeucer on June 23, 2009 at 5:12 PM

The disturbing thing here is that almost no one today is willing to stand up and say that the government should not be involved with health care IN ANY WAY.

People today are mainly divided into two sections: The first group says that health care is a right that the government must ensure, and the second group won’t dare challenge the first group. They are for regulation, just “not as much.”

The government has no role to play AT ALL in the health care debate. It shouldn’t help anyone at all, and that’s what people need to realize.

I refer you to this article: http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4880

doodleduh on June 23, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Republicans want bipartisan? Yeah, that’s why you lose.

They should hire the pennies guy to make their ads. Or just play the vid cut to 30 that shows their talks about killing private coverage.

- The Cat

MirCat on June 23, 2009 at 5:10

They need that lady that was on Cavuto, Canadian healthcare….she had a brain tumor and was on a four to five month waiting list to see a specialist. If she would have waited, she would have been blind permanently, and then dead, but she went to the MAYO clinic in the U.S. and she is cancer free and doing well.
We need to cut the illegals off the teat, it is up to their home country’s to care for them….we cannot afford it with our own citizens dying to get care.
I say, let’s get this going….illegals out….citizens, get help FIRST!

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 5:13 PM

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Unfortunately, “tort reform” usually results in a cap on punitive damages, etc.

Even more “unfortunately,” the political pigs in perpetuity, who legislate said caps – which, of course, flies in the face of our jury system – don’t use the “what if it happened to my child” litmus test.

They can’t seem to comprehend that the day will come, when their darling tot is negligently given a clean bill-of-health, while, in actuality, cancer is ravaging the darling tot’s body. Or, a doctor operates on the wrong hemisphere of the darling tot’s brain, or removes the wrong leg, leaving the darling tot with only the cancerous leg.

Nope, they never seem to think that far down the road.

OhEssYouCowboys on June 23, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Seems like a missed opportunity.

The GOP still doesn’t believe that facts make for an effective argument.

hawksruleva on June 23, 2009 at 5:14 PM

That’s pretty weak tea.

RarestRX on June 23, 2009 at 5:17 PM

The disturbing thing here is that almost no one today is willing to stand up and say that the government should not be involved with health care IN ANY WAY.

Correctamundo. If you believe there’s something wrong with U.S. healthcare, the source of the problem is almost certainly tied directly to government intervention. Skyrocketing costs (which contribute to people not having healthcare) are caused by government programs, and by the salary controls put in place by Roosevelt which lead to the use of benefits as compensation by employers.

hawksruleva on June 23, 2009 at 5:18 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on June 23, 2009 at 5:13 PM

You said it. It is a shame that self interest out weighs common sense. And political gain is more important then the welfare of our citizens.

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Mommypundit on June 23, 2009 at 5:02 PM

You nailed it. I want nothing to do with anything called “health care reform” from this bunch of idiots. Curtail the lawsuits and stop taking care of illegals and we’re halfway there. I’d add banning habitual emergency room hypochondriacs and deporting illegals who receive emergency life saving care. Throw in cleaning up medicare and medicaid fraud and I’m in.

Keyser-Soze on June 23, 2009 at 5:19 PM

I thought it was pretty good myself. People have heard so many numbers that I think a lot of them just go right over their heads. Especially when someone like Obama will just respond by saying it will not increase the deficit or some other big fat lie.

Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on June 23, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Yeah, you’re right, people say things and then it’s a different story when it happens to someone they love. That said, even the ancient Babylonians under Hammurabi were able to come up with an equitable system that worked. Getting a few million dollars in punitive damages because you spill hot coffee on your lap is not equitable.

Special K on June 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM

The Cat:

I am not so sure that is true. There are a lot of Blue Dogs out there who are balking at Obama’s health care plan. If Republicans can get some of them on their side, or at least get them off of Obama’s then they can claim they are bi partisan. Besides, I think the real point to the bi-partisan remark is to point out that Obama is not working with anyone in the other party. That might not mean that much, but Obama made a point of working with Republicans for the good of all blah blah blah.

Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM

“…89 percent of Americans are satisfied with their health care. That means up to 250 million people could be happy with their plans. So why is it we need Obama’s big-bang health-care overhaul in the first place?” – Larry Kudlow, NRO today.

This is an excerpt from an article I read today that relates well to this health insurance Cwap. If covering the uncovered is the goal, some small tweaking fo what exiists will easily accomplish this without Bam’s draconian plan.

marybel on June 23, 2009 at 5:24 PM

The liberals always seem to demonize every target before they try to take it over. They demonized the auto industry,the drug companies, the banking industry, and now the health care industry. Imagine being a primary care provider for those who want to destroy your practice.

fourdeucer on June 23, 2009 at 5:24 PM

“Government takeover” isn’t nearly scary enough. I would go farther and call it what it is — “nationalization.” And I wouldn’t feel too bad about going even farther and saying “just like his friend Hugo Chavez, Barack Obama wants to nationalize X.”

Outlander on June 23, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Forgot to include Kudlow link:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTYxYTFhYzNmNjIwODdiYmE0NWMzZDczYjUwZTVmNzQ=

marybel on June 23, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Getting a few million dollars in punitive damages because you spill hot coffee on your lap is not equitable.

Special K on June 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM

That was ridiculous, and it was reversed on appeal. That’s why I mentioned that these caps invade the province of our jury system – which includes the appellate process.

I’m not sure on the exact figure, but I seem to recall a recent report where over 40,000 people in the United States die of negligent conduct, while hospitalized.

Again, I’m not sure if that is the correct number; but I do know that the number was utterly shocking.

OhEssYouCowboys on June 23, 2009 at 5:27 PM

If we cannot have tort reform in the form of a cap on damages, I would be somewhat satisfied with “loser pays” reform.

myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 5:28 PM

marybel on June 23, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Thanks for the link.

This is what liberals do: Forsake the many to coddle the few.

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 5:29 PM

The liberals always seem to demonize every target before they try to take it over. They demonized the auto industry,the drug companies, the banking industry, and now the health care industry. Imagine being a primary care provider for those who want to destroy your practice.

Of course. The first step of looting an industry is to demonize it so the public won’t resist the takeover.

doodleduh on June 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Thank you, she is miraclously upbeat and positve. I am really ignorant of the whole system to be honest. What has changed from the time that my grandparents use to see the Dr. for $15.00 or something. Is it tort? illegals? insurance companies? As Reagan said, “I’m from the government and I’m here to help,” is not comforting, I’m just not sure what the correct solution is.

Renae on June 23, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Of course. The first step of looting an industry is to demonize it so the public won’t resist the takeover.

doodleduh on June 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Absolutely bingo. Plus, the same thing is done in the class warfare that Socialism begets. If you hate the “rich,” you have no problem with leveling them with taxes.

OhEssYouCowboys on June 23, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Renae on June 23, 2009 at 5:32 PM

All of the above.

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 5:35 PM

I still do not understand what they are going to do with all the people who just are not interested in getting health insurance. I am sure that a lot of those 40+million could get some sort of coverage with a high deductible if they really considered it a priority. Are they going to make it mandatory? And how will that happen?

Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Renae:

I am sure it is a lot of things, but back when it costs $15 to see a Doctor, health care was a lot more basic. People use insurance today for things that used to be just day to day expenses.

Used to there were not nearly so many treatments and procedures and medications available to people.

Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Why is it mandatory to have car insurance, but somehow health insurance is a right?

fourdeucer on June 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on June 23, 2009 at 5:27 PM

Okay, so it was appealed but how many of them are not? I think we both make valid points, so what is the solution? There should be a way to prevent the frivolous lawsuits in the first place instead of clogging our legal system.

myrenovations has an interesting idea with making the loser pay. How about fines and loss of law license for con artists like John Edwards, the king of ambulance chasers and frivolous law suits?

Special K on June 23, 2009 at 5:39 PM

but instead of quoting the trillion-dollar pricetag and deficit projections, they went with gauzy palaver about a GOP alternative that’ll go nowhere in Congress. Seems like a missed opportunity.

They were attempting to negate the criticism of being the party of “no.”

johnnybgood on June 23, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Renae on June 23, 2009 at 5:32 PM

+10

HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 5:40 PM

they went with gauzy palaver about a GOP alternative that’ll go nowhere in Congress

You bitch when the Republicans ‘complain’ about Obama’s plans, saying “What’s their plan?”. They give you an alternative to Obama’s ideas……and you complain.

GarandFan on June 23, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Thank you, she is miraclously upbeat and positve. I am really ignorant of the whole system to be honest. What has changed from the time that my grandparents use to see the Dr. for $15.00 or something. Is it tort? illegals? insurance companies? As Reagan said, “I’m from the government and I’m here to help,” is not comforting, I’m just not sure what the correct solution is.

Renae on June 23, 2009 at 5:32 PM

You don’t need to know every practical aspect of the debate to be knowledgeable on it. Just knowing the MORAL aspect of it is enough.

Just think about it: Health care is a service that is provided to people by doctors. In exchange, we give the doctors money when they operate on us.

Currently, the government is pushing for the enslavement of doctors. Already they are being told they can not turn anyone away, even if they can’t pay. They are, in essence, telling the doctors they have no right to choose who to work on, but that they must serve the people.

What Obama wants to do is to force you to pay for OTHER PEOPLE”S health care. You can see how monstrous this is. He wants to make it so that all of us have to pool our money together as a great big collective, then dish out money to people based on who “needs” it most.

If you know that, you can debate the sh*t out of a statist on the issue.

doodleduh on June 23, 2009 at 5:41 PM

I think that the RNC knows that their plan will never go anywhere. They just are putting forth an alternative plan so that they can say so when voting against the demdocrat government plan.

farright on June 23, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Okay, so it was appealed but how many of them are not? I think we both make valid points, so what is the solution? There should be a way to prevent the frivolous lawsuits in the first place instead of clogging our legal system.

myrenovations has an interesting idea with making the loser pay. How about fines and loss of law license for con artists like John Edwards, the king of ambulance chasers and frivolous law suits?

Special K on June 23, 2009 at 5:39 PM

I practiced law for 21 years, and I NEVER signed on to a frivolous lawsuit. Why? Because I neither wanted to tarnish my reputation in the legal community [believe me - the hacks are recognized], nor did I want to waste my time and money on something that was a loser.

There are already disciplinary measures in place, for those who bring frivolous lawsuits – they can be sanctioned by the Court.

The last thing we need is more Statist bureaucracy telling the People what they can and can’t do.

In the end, the problem is with the hack attorneys that the media spotlight. But, trust me, most attorneys just want to do a reputable and good job for their client – because that is good business. Unfortunately, the media don’t spotlight them.

OhEssYouCowboys on June 23, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Renae:

I am sure it is a lot of things, but back when it costs $15 to see a Doctor, health care was a lot more basic. People use insurance today for things that used to be just day to day expenses.

Used to there were not nearly so many treatments and procedures and medications available to people.

Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Yes I was being overly simplistic, but the cost still seems to have sky-rocketed beyond all reason. Not that I think you are disagreeing.

doodleduh on June 23, 2009 at 5:41 PM

The government is in our business enough as it is, I’m not about to support giving it the power of life and death.

Gotta go to VBS thanks all. Believers please take a minute to pray for my friend–’the young lady in Oklahoma.’

Renae on June 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Rest assured, though, the feds aren’t going to take away your right to private insurance. They’re just going to make the public plan cheap enough to drive private insurers out of business.

I have an individual policy from Blue Cross. In the past ten years, the cost has tripled. And they are asking for another 44% increase, because they don’t make any money off individual policies. Even though they are a non profit.

Insurers want to go out of the individual policy business. As soon as the government comes in, they will make their policies so expensive (they are already becoming unaffordable) that people will have to drop them. And then the private insurers can continue their non profit job of making huge profits.

shibumi on June 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM

lame

sbvft contributor on June 23, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Congratulations, how wonderful! This brings me to a question. A precious little thirty-something mother from my church has just been diagnosed with uterine cancer stage 3. She and her husband are very hard-working he works on gas rigs I think and she works as a full-time teacher’s aid for multi-handicapped children. They have no insurance and already have $100,000 in medical bills. Their only alternative now is MD Anderson who wants $14,000 up front to even see her. I absolutely am opposed to Obamacare or any kind of government-run care. The pie-suppers…. have started or course, but this does seem excessive. What is the answer to this type of situation?

Renae on June 23, 2009 at 5:02 PM

As neither of them have insurance but both have jobs, that’s unfortunate.
MD Anderson is the Preeminent cancer treatment center in the southwestern region if not the US. Personally I would find a way to get the treatment there.

More likely the $14,000 is a deposit on the estimated cost of services – not “just to see her”. If she pays it in advance she would be eligible for a discount, alternately her patient services rep can set up a payment plan. Every hospital has a social services department with social workers that help folks in your friends situation. Try negotiating the fees, or negotiating the payments. Somethings are negotiable. Find out what insurance pays & if it’s less see if they would take the same from a self-pay.

Once a bill is received be prepared to go line by line on the costs, billings mistakes are made from time to time. Just because it’s a hospital bill don’t treat it any differently than you would the check-out line.

Glad it was caught. Your friend would languish in Obamacare, awaiting approval with no choice to find a way pay. Now paying is our only concern at least we get to choice if we live, yes live in debt, but live.

batterup on June 23, 2009 at 6:07 PM

You think the current system is healthy? I want reform that gets rid of the government impediments to competition.

lorien1973 on June 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Now that’s healthcare reform I can believe in!

I demand this in the name of EQUALITY and the WORKER’S PARADISE.

OhEssYouCowboys on June 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM

+2!

Chaz706 on June 23, 2009 at 7:07 PM

myrenovations has an interesting idea with making the loser pay. How about fines and loss of law license for con artists like John Edwards, the king of ambulance chasers and frivolous law suits?

Special K on June 23, 2009 at 5:39 PM

A loser pay system would be like Draino in a clogged pipe.

Sure, it stays clogged for a little while longer, but after awhile… no problem.

Chaz706 on June 23, 2009 at 7:10 PM

This ad will not resonate with the majority. The ad is drab, too many facts at once, and it’s biggest problem is the aged voice of the narrator.

The RNC is wasting their money with ads like this. They’re mostly preaching to the choir and it’s ineffective.

If they have any ‘hope’ (I actually hate that word now) in being effective in waking up people to the reality of what ObamaCare means they really need a different approach.

TiminNC

timinnc on June 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM

The ad stinks. Make it short, sweet and in-your-face like the daisy ad.
Thanks, Michael Steele.
Are you a Manchurian Candidate too?

luvstotango on June 23, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Last year I had a lump on the back of my neck. Went to see my doctor on a Monday, was referred to a surgeon on Thursday, was in the operating room to have it removed the following Tuesday. Insurance covered almost all of it, I was on the hook for $300, which I think is more than fair given I had surgery with full anesthesia.

Turned out to be a benign cyst. But I’m sure glad I didn’t have to wait weeks or months to find out like I would have under ObamaCare.

Our health care system isn’t perfect but it’s served me just fine.

angryed on June 23, 2009 at 8:20 PM

timinnc on June 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Right on. If the RNC thinks the younger voters (who are the ones who will decide this issue) are attracted by this ad, they are out of their gourds. A successful ad would need flashy graphics, quick sound bites, and take into account the minuscule attention span of the latest couple generations.

Frankly, I think it’s too late to dissuade the masses from dragging us all into Obamacare. The polls that get thrown about by the big-name news networks – and regurgitated by the mouthbreathers – are quite obviously doctored, IMO, but there is very wide support for the idea. Insurance agencies are apparently evil and the government can magically make it all better if us backwards freemarketers would get out of the way.

I personally have despaired of debating anyone on this madness. Nothing I have thrown at Obamacare supporters elicits more than a blank stare or regurgitated socialist propaganda or a childish insult. Personal horror stories, hard economic data, scholarly research, logical arguments…nothing works. Nothing at all.

Dark-Star on June 23, 2009 at 9:01 PM

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