New York City paying 700 teachers to not teach

posted at 3:35 pm on June 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

When an employee performs poorly in the workplace, normally employers let them go and find better replacements, or sometimes just reduce headcount and save costs to keep prices low.  When a union gets involved, and especially when the employer is the government, the dynamic changes — dramatically.  New York City’s public school system provides perhaps the most extreme example … or at least we hope so:

Hundreds of New York City public school teachers accused of offenses ranging from insubordination to sexual misconduct are being paid their full salaries to sit around all day playing Scrabble, surfing the Internet or just staring at the wall, if that’s what they want to do.

Because their union contract makes it extremely difficult to fire them, the teachers have been banished by the school system to its “rubber rooms” — off-campus office space where they wait months, even years, for their disciplinary hearings.

The 700 or so teachers can practice yoga, work on their novels, paint portraits of their colleagues — pretty much anything but school work. They have summer vacation just like their classroom colleagues and enjoy weekends and holidays through the school year.

With that much adult supervision in place, one would assume that the rubber rooms would be models of decorum.  Instead, they sound like middle school:

“You just basically sit there for eight hours,” said Orlando Ramos, who spent seven months in a rubber room, officially known as a temporary reassignment center, in 2004-05. “I saw several near-fights. `This is my seat.’ `I’ve been sitting here for six months.’ That sort of thing.”

Mom, make him stop touching me!  Don’t cross that line!  Hey, I said “exies no erasies!”

If ever one wanted an argument against Card Check, this would be it.  Imagine if you will an entire private sector with “rubber rooms” filled with employees left dangling in limbo because their union contracts made them “extremely difficult to fire.”  There are enough teachers in these rooms in NYC to fill several schools, and yet the taxpayers are shelling out money to have them sit in rooms, play Scrabble, and act like children.

The Big Apple isn’t alone in this process, either.  Los Angeles has almost 200 teachers in rubber rooms at the moment.  Apparently, neither system has the competence nor the inclination to process wrongful conduct or poor-performance hearings with any speed, which is not just unfair to the taxpayers, but also unfair to those teachers wrongfully accused of either or both.

If this was the private sector, it would at least get handled expeditiously, as no business can afford to have hundreds of people sitting around and producing nothing.  Perhaps as well as a cautionary tale about Card Check and the expansion of unions, it also serves as warning to those who want to replace the private sector in health care and energy production with public employees instead.


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And all I have to do is hit on another teacher?

I think I can manage that.

Where do I sign up?

lorien1973 on June 23, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Obligatory AP joke:

Totally explains why AP sits in his apartment all day, every day!

lorien1973 on June 23, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I actually love these stories. I go out of my way to bring them up when I am at a party or function with old school Democrats (meaning not nutter lefties). It always gets their blood boiling. I like to think it helps them realize that they are more conservative than their party.

myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM

“rubber rooms” filled with employees left dangling

*giggle*

lorien1973 on June 23, 2009 at 3:41 PM

The Big Apple isn’t alone in this process, either. Los Angeles has almost 200 teachers in rubber rooms at the moment.

So they’re going to end welfare instead and raise taxes to pay for the budget shortfull AHHHHH! AGHHHH! AHHH!

apollyonbob on June 23, 2009 at 3:41 PM

This actually sounds alot like the GM “jobs bank”. No wonder the taxpayers are now the proud owners that benighted corporation.

Travis Bickle on June 23, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Sounds pretty much like the UAW jobs bank to me, maybe minus the bad behavior factor.

What an utter disgrace.

BigD on June 23, 2009 at 3:42 PM

The model of efficiency: government-run >fill in the blank<

common sensineer on June 23, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Aren’t there something like 12,000 UAW workers being paid their full salary to sit around with their thumbs up their asses all day? But I guess that doesn’t disprove your point, as the auto industry isn’t really the “Private Sector”.

BuzzCrutcher on June 23, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Have them clean trash off the streets then. Or paint classrooms over the summer.

Mr. Joe on June 23, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Reminds me of the story last week where LA decided it’d save them money to pay people -not- to find a job and let them sit at home and do nothing instead.

lorien1973 on June 23, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Oh yeah, BO wants more of this…

d1carter on June 23, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Mr. Joe, now you know that’s not in their contract!

common sensineer on June 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Well, we pay a president to sit in the WH all day and do nothing.

Ok, ok.

He does get out for a burger every now and then.

artist on June 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Of course, we don’t see the employees on the payroll who don’t show up to work at all, like union strongmen…

Nethicus on June 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM

In one of his 20/20 shows, John Stossel showed a flowchart that depicted the steps required to fire a teacher, even over something as egregious as sexual misconduct that the teacher had admitted to. The flowchart was at least three feet long and had dozens of options connected by a mess of lines that would make you go prematurely gray.

PS- the guy who admitted to sexual misconduct? It took six years to finally get rid of him.

Tonus on June 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM

And people say Unionization reduces productivity!
Ha!

LincolntheHun on June 23, 2009 at 3:45 PM

I don’t see why it’s an issue, we obviously have so much taxpayer money to spend on frivolous things?
/sarc

Geronimo on June 23, 2009 at 3:46 PM

It’s a pathetic state our Union is in.

ornery_independent on June 23, 2009 at 3:46 PM

In one of his 20/20 shows, John Stossel showed a flowchart that depicted the steps required to fire a teacher, even over something as egregious as sexual misconduct that the teacher had admitted to. The flowchart was at least three feet long and had dozens of options connected by a mess of lines that would make you go prematurely gray.

PS- the guy who admitted to sexual misconduct? It took six years to finally get rid of him.

Tonus on June 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM

I was about to mention Stossel’s doing that, when I saw your post. He does a fantastic report on it, and the next day the union started calling him on it and denying it.
I’m amazed that with a Democrat in office this is even getting more write-ups.
I suppose anything to get everyone’s mind off of Iran and North Korea.

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Have them clean trash off the streets then. Or paint classrooms over the summer.

Mr. Joe on June 23, 2009 at 3:43 PM

It isn’t in their contracts.

Plus the sanitation worker union would start screaming too. Somebody might actually get something done, and that would be terrible!

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Yet another argument against unions. Public workers in Toronto are striking right now which means no garbage pickups, no city run daycares or day camps (good luck to all single parents out there!) and no ferry service to Toronto island. Also the LCBO – our government run liquor stores – workers are possibly striking as of tomorrow …… sometimes I just love Toronto.

CityFish on June 23, 2009 at 3:48 PM

I don’t understand why the schools and districts have to hire and play by the union’s rules…

It’s all BS; tenure, the salary schedule, and the near impossibility of being able to fire someone. Why can’t schools just say FU and hire and fire anyone they want? It’s ridiculous.

If they strike, the schools should just fire everyone, and then just start hiring again… trust me, there are plenty of qualified people to take these jobs if current teachers don’t want them. Especially with this economy.

El_Terrible on June 23, 2009 at 3:49 PM

LIBERALISM RULES! Tax the producers! Deplete the wealth of the nation!

daesleeper on June 23, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Really though, can you imagine having to sit in a room, day after day, eight hours a day with a bunch of insubordinate and/or sexual deviant teachers?

myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 3:50 PM

And, let’s be honest – there are more than 700 teachers in classrooms throughout New York getting paid for not teaching.

Just saying is all.

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 3:50 PM

sexual deviant teachers?

myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Are they hot?

lorien1973 on June 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM

CRAP
I want a job like that..
heck get paid what i am now
For NOT working

All you have to do is to get in a fight ..
And wola
your set for the next few years..

CRAP
Hey obama wheres my FREE do nothing JOB..????
The only gig better than that is
CONGRESS..

There you can prositute yourself out
Sell out your country to the highest bidder
then go to the bahamas to err..
Check up on the islamic terrorists living there..

Sheesh im in the wrong damn business.
I actually work..

veteranoutrage on June 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Related Headline: America paying a President to not protect America.

LibTired on June 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Well, we pay a president to sit in the WH all day and do nothing.

Ok, ok.

He does get out for a burger every now and then.

artist on June 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM

And ice cream!

And he plays golf, too!

What a COOL guy!

Del Dolemonte on June 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Woot!

Lovin’ this Obomany!

cntrlfrk on June 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Really though, can you imagine having to sit in a room, day after day, eight hours a day with a bunch of insubordinate and/or sexual deviant teachers?

myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 3:50 PM

You think that’s awful, because you are a conservative.

For a liberal, this is about as Nirvana as it gets. (I would say Heaven, but did not want to offend.)

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Are they hot?

lorien1973 on June 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Nah – they got air conditioning.

(Seriously though, you ever seen a hot liberal teacher?)

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Public workers in Toronto are striking right now which means no garbage pickups…

CityFish on June 23, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Foul. I’ve been to Toronto during a summer garbage strike and it is almost as unpleasant as sitting in a room, day after day, eight hours a day with a bunch of insubordinate and/or sexual deviant teachers.

myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 3:53 PM

I need one of those jobs.

BPD on June 23, 2009 at 3:53 PM

I love. Ny??

blatantblue on June 23, 2009 at 3:54 PM

and this surprises whom?

alohapundit on June 23, 2009 at 3:54 PM

What kills me about these people is that they are almost proud of themselves.

That woman in the photo is just beaming, she’s getting some artwork in her day.

I’d be begging not to get photographed.

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Doesn’t this describe the entire Ogabe administration, paying criminals to sit around and do nothing and who are almost impossible to get rid of? He1l, that could be the entire demorat party.

Bishop on June 23, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Just to add to your elevated blood pressure, if you read to the end of the article, it seems to lean toward the idea that the teachers are being unfairly punished for trumped-up charges. The last one quoted compares himself to MLK writing Letter from a Birmingham Jail!

Missy on June 23, 2009 at 3:56 PM

yeah, and I’m sure Lorien would hit that too….

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 3:56 PM

I had a GORGEOUS art teacher in hs

lebanese and Irish extraction

conserv too

blatantblue on June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Doesn’t this describe the entire Ogabe administration, paying criminals to sit around and do nothing and who are almost impossible to get rid of? He1l, that could be the entire demorat party.

Bishop on June 23, 2009 at 3:55 PM

We’re not paying those Obama employees to do nothing. Sometimes they have to sit on two commissions.

myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM

If I lived in New York, that would be incentive enough, for me to move! That’s absurd, and rediculous. Is there no one out there, that cares how much money is wasted on this crap???

capejasmine on June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Just to add to your elevated blood pressure, if you read to the end of the article, it seems to lean toward the idea that the teachers are being unfairly punished for trumped-up charges. The last one quoted compares himself to MLK writing Letter from a Birmingham Jail!

Missy on June 23, 2009 at 3:56 PM

That was a capper wasn’t it?

The guy is a thug and political prisoner all in one. I’m surprised he’s not a member of the president’s cabinet. Probably doesn’t have enough tax evasion charges against him.

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM

If this was the private sector, it would at least get handled expeditiously,…

Not necessarily – not if it is in the union’s interest to drag out the process as long as possible. After all they get paid by the number of union members “working”. If a worker is in a rubber room then another must be hired in his place. This gives the union an incentive to prolong the review process.

DamnCat on June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM

The bosses (Principals, Ass’t Principals,etc) are unionized as well. They’ve got plenty of problems of their own. And the ultimate boss is the NYC gov’t, which can’t get a dem elected without the unions. So what do you expect? You take the lid off a garbage can and don’t expect to find garbage??

JiangxiDad on June 23, 2009 at 3:58 PM

And soon with Obamacare, we’ll have government doctors and nurses sitting in rubber rooms.

rbj on June 23, 2009 at 3:59 PM

The LA Times did a big story a few weeks ago about the same thing. One guy has been collecting full salary/bennies for, IIRC, nine years. Another sex offender.

It’s the unions, stupid . . .

And El_Terrible is right. This is the perfect time to bounce all of these people, when there are so many high-value unemployed looking for work.

califcon on June 23, 2009 at 3:59 PM

And, let’s be honest – there are more than 700 teachers in classrooms throughout New York getting paid for not teaching.
Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Kinda makes you wonder who’s REALLY being punished.
/.

CaveatEmpty on June 23, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Your tax dollars at work. Meanwhile, the public schools ‘graduate’ functional illiterates every year, and complain about not having enough money or teachers.

Several members of my extended family used to be employed in the public school system. All have left, and all warned me not to let my children go to public schools. Good advice.

Vashta.Nerada on June 23, 2009 at 4:00 PM

It’s the equivalent of Detroit’s Jobs Bank, which until recently paid thousands of workers near full pay to do nothing – for years.

The unions are ruining this country. Personally, I think they should be outlawed altogether; they’ve long outlived their usefulness for worker protection from unsafe working conditions.

redfoxbluestate on June 23, 2009 at 4:01 PM

sexual deviant teachers?

myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Are they hot?

lorien1973 on June 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Newsflash 2 weeks from now: “Adult male arrested for posing as 16 year old student.”

portlandon on June 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Didn’t the UAW force something like this on the big three?

Count to 10 on June 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM

From the article:

Because the teachers collect their full salaries of $70,000 or more, the city Department of Education estimates the practice costs the taxpayers $65 million a year.

I wonder how many textbooks $65 million would purchase for the schools of NYC.

Think of this next time your kid’s public school hits you up for money.

Missy on June 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Big deal, most public school teachers are paid not to teach.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM

If they were in California, they could be paid more not to teach.

Cicero43 on June 23, 2009 at 4:06 PM

I wonder how many textbooks $65 million would purchase for the schools of NYC.

Missy on June 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Textbooks, heck, they should be able to dump these people and hire qualified teachers who function as intended.

myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Count to 10 on June 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM

They have a job bank…it’s for laid-off employees. They get paid to sit around and be offered another job with the union. And if the job is in another location/city, they can refuse the work and stay in the job bank and keep collecting their pay off out.

ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Let’s start a list:
You can earn the rights of U.S. citizenship by getting Al Qaeda training.

You can be paid to do nothing if you’re accused of sexual misconduct at a school.

You can work tax-free and get free health care if you enter the country illegally.

hawksruleva on June 23, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Big deal, most public school teachers are paid not to teach.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Sad but true.

hawksruleva on June 23, 2009 at 4:11 PM

The public schools in this country for turning home schooling into a multi-billion dollar industry. My four all went to public schools with the last going into his junior year. My wife went out and tested out to become a certified teacher since the math teachers wouldn’t even discuss their curriculum choices with her. Our public schools are modeled after a Soviet model that was rejected by the USSR. It’s turning out progressively friendly people with raving liberals as their instructors.

Hening on June 23, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Count to 10 on June 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM

They have a job bank…it’s for laid-off employees. They get paid to sit around and be offered another job with the union. And if the job is in another location/city, they can refuse the work and stay in the job bank and keep collecting their pay off out.

ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 4:10 PM

I’m intrigued, how can I look for this type of employment

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Didn’t the UAW force something like this on the big three?

Count to 10 on June 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Sort of. The UAW Job Bank (paid for by the car manufacturers) gave laid-off employees 95 percent of their salaries indefinitely, subject to certain requirements. Details here.

It did great things for the competitiveness of GM, Chrysler and Ford. But frankly, the car manufacturers were to blame for agreeing to such an abomination in the first place.

Cicero43 on June 23, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Join the UAW…

ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 4:15 PM

When my son was in middle school about 12 years ago, in a parent teachers conference I made an observation and statement to the principal after the teacher left. The next evening the teacher called me at home and begged me to change what I said about her teaching and tell me she was fired.
This was not NYC. The district has about 55,000 students.

seven on June 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM

and the hits just keep on coming….un-freaking-believable

cmsinaz on June 23, 2009 at 4:22 PM

This is old. John Stossel reported on this years ago.

JohnJ on June 23, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Why not? We have been paying farmers for land they don’t farm for years. By the way, Iowa used to be a Red state, now it’s Blue. Funny how these things work…

BuckNutty on June 23, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Ridiculous.

Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Textbooks, heck, they should be able to dump these people and hire qualified teachers who function as intended.

I definitely agree. I was just thinking about all the times I’ve heard liberals whining about how the school district can’t afford textbooks because they don’t have enough money, etc. Am filing this article away to use for ammo next time I hear that line.

Missy on June 23, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Stupid in America

JohnJ on June 23, 2009 at 4:26 PM

No doubt many of these teachers constantly sing the sad song that our schools are underfunded.

Grafted on June 23, 2009 at 4:29 PM

This is a distraction from the REAL problem with education in Amerika: the FACT that Amerika’s schools are drastically underfunded.

/sarc

Browncoatone on June 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM

This is old. John Stossel reported on this years ago.

JohnJ on June 23, 2009 at 4:24 PM

True, but the fact that it’s making it into the MSM (during a Democrat administration!) is new. I read Stossel’s reports when they came out and forwarded them to liberal friends, but they dismissed them as not being credible. Harder for them to do that when the same info is coming from the Associated Press, LA Times, etc.

Missy on June 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM

There’s a problem I’ve seen with my peers who are in education and have just finished college.

Teaching is about giving
it’s a tradition and occupation that stretches thousands of years

there’s a certain honor behind it, IMO.

however, I noticed my peers
they don’t talk about teaching kids

they talk about the benefits
the pay
the this. The that

what THEY get. And I’ve found — teachers in my area are never done whining
and never done demanding.

The position of “teacher” has been a venerable position throughout the centuries.
not a cash cow job.

People now seeit asthe latter. Not the former

blatantblue on June 23, 2009 at 4:31 PM

This is old. John Stossel reported on this years ago.

JohnJ on June 23, 2009 at 4:24 PM

And the fact that nothing has changed is a national disgrace.

califcon on June 23, 2009 at 4:31 PM

700 teachers, huh? So, that’s a money clock ticking somewhere in the range of $4.5M uselessly being spent annually.

BTW, here’s the “Starting Salaries” blurb from the NYC DOE:

“The New York City Department of Education offers extremely competitive salaries to newly hired teachers. Since 2002, starting salaries for NYC public school teachers have increased 43%.

Salaries are based on prior teaching experience as well as undergraduate and graduate degrees. As of May 2008, starting teacher salaries range from $45,530 (bachelor’s degree, no prior teaching experience) to $74,796 (master’s degree, 8 years teaching experience). Teachers who already have a master’s degree but no teaching experience will start at $51,425.

With annual increases plus increases for additional coursework, teachers’ salaries will rise to the current maximum of $100,049 per year over time. For more information on current teacher salaries as well as the teacher salary schedule that will be applicable for the 2008-09 school year, click here.”

Dusty on June 23, 2009 at 4:32 PM

But…but the city is financial trouble…

titus_pullo on June 23, 2009 at 4:34 PM

(Seriously though, you ever seen a hot liberal teacher?)

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 3:53 PM

FIFY

MarkTheGreat on June 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM

The position of “teacher” has been a venerable position throughout the centuries.
not a cash cow job.

People now seeit asthe latter. Not the former

blatantblue on June 23, 2009 at 4:31 PM

It’s summers off….

ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Dusty on June 23, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Holy crap!

califcon on June 23, 2009 at 4:46 PM

I really don’t understand why there are unions. Aren’t there labor laws that protect all employees? Also, if unions are so great, why don’t white collar jobs have unions?

artchick on June 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Unions have been such a blessing for this country!!!

*gag*…

BigWyo on June 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM

With that much adult supervision in place, one would assume that the rubber rooms would be models of decorum.

I assume they were assigned there because they were less than effective in this area.

Disturb the Universe on June 23, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Join the UAW…

ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 4:15 PM

LOLOL…or the NEA

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM

A great premise for absurdist theater, you have to admit.

Disturb the Universe on June 23, 2009 at 4:56 PM

I really don’t understand why there are unions. Aren’t there labor laws that protect all employees? Also, if unions are so great, why don’t white collar jobs have unions?

artchick on June 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Unions were formed after the 1917 Communist revolution to promote a communist agenda.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 4:56 PM

LOLOL…or the NEA

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Yeah…that’ll work also…

ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Also the LCBO – our government run liquor stores – workers are possibly striking as of tomorrow …… sometimes I just love Toronto.

Noooo, not the liquor stores! Ok everyone get your guns, this has gone far enough! Oh, forgot Canadians don’t have those things. Better never happen here!!

hip shot on June 23, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Yeah, and that stupid democracy jazz gave us an incompetent government and it’s costing us a lot of money…let’s do away with democracy as well!

I’m sure we can figure out a better system. Actually, I think they’re working on it…just put one boss in charge.

Also, I think we should all be fired or go out of business every six months or so…just to keep us on our toes and from getting lazy.

/sarc

I don’t like this BS either, but show me one human organization that doesn’t have its flaws and its corruption.

To blame unions for all our economic woes in a country where the vast majority are not in unions is sheer hogwash.

But unions need to be accountable and a few of them do get out of hand. Ultimately they are motivated by the same greed, desire to do better, whatever you want to call it, that any person in a capitalist system is. But, in a capitalist system they can go under and the government shouldn’t be propping them up with the power and money bestowed on them by the public.

Unions of government employees should be more accommodating and expect less than if they worked for corporations because their pay and benefits are tied into taxpayers’ money. At least in that situation there are checks and balances going all the way back to the voter.

It is strange to hear so many people say, “Man, you teachers don’t get paid enough!” and then hear from others that teachers are incompetents who simply can’t do anything else in life.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 23, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Sounds pretty much like the UAW jobs bank to me, maybe minus the bad behavior factor.

What an utter disgrace.

BigD on June 23, 2009 at 3:42 PM

The bad behavior factor is there in the UAW jobs bank.

cheeflo on June 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Explains why Sacramento is screaming for more money. Gotta give those folks a pay hike.

GarandFan on June 23, 2009 at 5:45 PM

One year, out of tens of thousands of teachers something like 3 were actually fired.
The most secure job in the world…and they wonder why 35% are not making it through high school.

right2bright on June 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Is this the same as paying farmers not to grow crops?

ConservadorRebelde on June 23, 2009 at 6:30 PM

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