So Mousavi orchestrated the attack on the sleeping Marines in Lebanon. That is Lebanon, not Iran, which makes it a terrorist attack and not a wartime attack. This does not mean he would be a worse leader than Ahmadinejad. Putin was former KGB and look how he turned out. heh
What it means as Schlussel expressed, is the guy is not Paul Revere. The rage of the protestors is real however. Their obvious humger to have one man, one vote is universally understood to be a desire for justice and that is revealing of the inner good all men understand. I want them to have justice.

Would Mousavi be a more useful leader for the West to deal with? Interesting consideration. He masterminded the Lebanon attack on the sleeping Marines, so he comes with a different perspective of who are the good guys. He cannot be as much a nutter as Ahmadinejad.

In any case, it will still be the islamic republic whomever wins. I doubt Mousavi could stop the bomb program if the clerics disagree, but he could quiet the student revolution by interceding on behalf of incremental freedoms. He could help the mullahs continue their reign

I’m hearing on twitter that Mousavi has been arrested.

And that more clerics are turning against the gov’t.

B Man on June 23, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Well he’s either under some sort of house arrest (likely) or he has no idea what to do next (also likely). What happens on Wednesday will tell the tale.

And apparently, Rafsanjani does have enough clerics to get rid of Dinner Jacket and Khamenei, but they have no idea what to do next.

Even moderate Muslims treat their women like 3rd class citizens and still don’t like the Jews or Arab Muslims for that matter.

And that more clerics are turning against the gov’t.

Obama could, at least, disinvite them to the BBQ.

Caught on tape: Ahmadinejad and clerics conspire to eliminate Iranian democracy?
Jun 23, 2009 1:35 PM by Allahpundit
69 Comments » | 7 Trackbacks
Coup.

oops…I didn’t see this thread…ah ha…we have the same sources…;)

In fact, as I’ve written many times in the past week, it just points out the stupidity of the mullahs in fumbling the rigged election in the first place. Mousavi would have played ball had mullahs allowed him to take office — perhaps somewhat less enthusiastically than Ahmadinejad, but still Mousavi would have worked within the system

nah..Mousavi was of the wrong tribe…
How about he didn’t want to go along with the ending of elections…truly centralizing power cause the masses were waking up…and the mullahs couldn’t have that.
I think that’s called a coup…;)

lexhamfox on June 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Never said the Shah was a nice guy, just that he was miles ahead of the mullahs, in every conceivable way, and the Iranian people, and the world, would have been far better off under the Pahlavi dynasty.

I’d also add that his son does seem to be a genuine nice guy, and has been working toward human rights and a true representative system in Iran while in exile. I disagree with the Iranian people rejecting him, he’d have some support as part of a transitional government, especially with the army. And without the army, there will be no regime change.

I also note that while you run the Shah down, you really have no alternative to him, except to magically think the mullahs away. Magic thinking won’t oust them, real bullets and real bayonets will be required.

BECAUSE THEIR FIRST NUCLEAR BOMB IS FINISHED…

It’s design was tested in North Korea just a few short weeks ago.

doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 8:24 PM

It will be even more sinister if Mousavi was involved in this from the beginning.

I guess we’ll be finding out soon enough. Scary.

Oh man. Not good.

upinak on June 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Sorry…but this is what I was talking about…

The Shah is not the answer and they will NEVER accept him back. He was never ‘legitimate’ in the first place and his installation is the primary reason why they hate the US. Remember the Iranian Air Force were the ones who armed the public during the Revolution. They went against the Shah as did much of the Army. It was SAVAK who helped the Shah and his family escape with their billions. Sort of like Idi Amin.

I’m not arguing that the current regime in Iran is good or nice. I am disputing your absurd argument that teh Shah was a great guy and we should have saved his worthless regime or even worse, reinstall that fictional monarchy on the peacock throne again.

Rebar on June 23, 2009 at 8:38 PM

If that happened, it would be really easy for Khamenei to reunite the country. If there’s one thing that the Iranians hate more than the mullahs, it’s the Pahlavis.

doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 8:24 PM

OMG… you mean Iran has a three kiliton nuclear device? Start digging everyone.

lexhamfox on June 23, 2009 at 8:28 PM

I trust the Mossad on this one. Iran is still a few years away from the bomb. However, I do hope that the U.S. is still trying to interdict parts.

This uprising is a Potemkin village. It’s not as large or as popular as it is being portrayed to be. It exists to serve a single solitary purpose. And you, like 99.999 percent of those commenting on it have fallen for the distraction.

doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Well, I never heard that before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.

lexhamfox on June 23, 2009 at 6:59 PM

So instead of spending the people’s money on personal jetliners, the mullahs spent it on developing nuclear weapons, that’s nice. Instead of repressing terrorists and being an ally of America, it’s now the #1 terrorist exporting nation and is activly killing American soldiers in Iraq, great.

The Iranian people alone are never going to overthrow the mullahs and get build anything remotely resembling a secular democratic society without a legitimate leader with the backing of the army. Like it or not, the only legitimate leader left is the Shah, if he could have gotten the army on his side is an open question.

What is certain is that, this go around, the mullahs have won. Iran will continue to be a rogue terrorist nation which will soon have nuclear weapons, and the people will suffer repression, economic hardship, and likely will be dragged into a war with Israel.

But that Shah sure was a bad guy, boy oh boy.

doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 8:24 PM

OMG… you mean Iran has a three kiliton nuclear device? Start digging everyone.

lexhamfox on June 23, 2009 at 8:28 PM

Never fear, we have that, “almost a god” as our President.One quick Obama speech and they’ll be drinkin’ the Kool Aid too.

OMG… you mean Iran has a three kiliton nuclear device? Start digging everyone.

lexhamfox on June 23, 2009 at 8:28 PM

You are utterly clueless as to what damage a 3 kiloton nuclear weapon can do aren’t you. Think of it like this… Detonated in Time Square at 3pm on a typical Friday afternoon, it would kill just a little over 2 and a half million people.

Detonated at 3pm on a Friday afternoon in Tel Aviv and it would start a full scale nuclear war that will probably kill around 1 billion people.

OMG… you mean Iran has a three kiliton nuclear device? Start digging everyone.

Does that make the uprising in Iran less legitimate? No.

Wrong answer Ed. I’ve been trying to tell everyone all of this all danged week. Yes, the uprising is illegitimate. It’s a distraction, a smoke and mirrors deception. The Iranian people are nothing more than pawns for their rulers.

This uprising is a Potemkin village. It’s not as large or as popular as it is being portrayed to be. It exists to serve a single solitary purpose. And you, like 99.999 percent of those commenting on it have fallen for the distraction.

If you have the intelligence to ask the single most important question the answer is self evident.
Why would Iran’s leaders put this much of a risk on the table as a distraction?

The answer is frighteningly horribly obvious.


BECAUSE THEIR FIRST NUCLEAR BOMB IS FINISHED…

It’s design was tested in North Korea just a few short weeks ago.