Major Garrett to Obama on Iran: Um, what took you so long?
posted at 5:35 pm on June 23, 2009 by Allahpundit
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“I don’t think that’s accurate,” saith The One. Except that it is: Not until today did he explicitly condemn the insane brutality going on in Tehran, replete with coerced confessions about foreign powers and $3,000 “bullet fees” — yes, really — charged to parents whose children were gunned down in the protests. But then, this has been Obama’s M.O. all along, dating back to the blowup over Wright during the campaign. First he issues some weak, heavily qualified half-denunciation in hopes that the crisis will go away, then it doesn’t go away and everyone gets angry, then he comes back and covers his ass by saying how appalled or outraged he is or whatever — assuring us all the while that he’s been “perfectly consistent” throughout. Even the AP’s getting tired of his shtick:
It’s the pundits job to second-guess, Obama said, but “only I’m the president of the United States.”
Which is why he tried to balance every hands-on critique of the Iranian government with a caveat that he’s hands-off.
Hands on: “The United States and the international community have been appalled and outraged …”
Hands off: The Iranian people can speak for themselves.”
Hands on: “We deplore the violence against innocent civilians anywhere it takes place.”
Hands off: The accusations of U.S. meddling “are patently false.”
Hands on: “…. threats, beatings and imprisonments …”
Hands off: “The United States respects the sovereignty of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and is not at all interfering in Iran’s affairs.”
Chuck Todd tried to badger him into listing what “consequences” there’ll be for Iran’s abuses but that’s really a pointless question. The whole point of Obama’s behavior this past week is that he doesn’t want there to be any consequences. He’s trying to get closer to the regime, not push it away; who knows if he’d have even held this presser today if not for the video of Neda getting shot in the heart going globally viral. As you’ll see at the end, he still won’t even commit to disinviting Iranian diplomats from America’s July 4th celebrations, which at this point is kind of like inviting Hamas to celebrate Yom Kippur. Awful.
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So…what flavor ice cream did he get afterwards?
changer1701 on June 23, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Do you really think that words by any world leaders are going to do anything? Those old mullahs could care less and aren’t going to change. The people were rising up on their own, thank you. The best thing we could do is ignore the situation. I mean how many dictatorships are there around these days, dozens? We’ve got our own problems as bad as that sounds.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Dr. Dog:
That is what the Shah thought too. Look how that turned out.
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Nobody wants that. What we want is a president who knows right from wrong instinctively, without having to consider the implications of speaking up for the former for a week.
capitalist piglet on June 23, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Terry:
So, if words are not going to do anything, what is the big deal?
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Unarmed they are doing more to effect change in Iran than we are here at home…and better.
Arms are a short term problem…they can get them if they need them…and one or two police barracks or Basij compounds can provide enough to enable others to get more. It worked in 1979. If the police go over to the protesters side…and some have, according to various twitters from Iran…it is a matter of time and encouragement. if the mullahs come down extremely harsh, Tienamen only bigger, the popular support for the mullahs is over.
coldwarrior on June 23, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Terry, if we could just fix healthcare in this country all our problems would be solved.
faraway on June 23, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Hey O, way to muddy up the waters with lower aspirations of a cornhole in a destructing bile manner of contingent remains of only one that habitually accompanies all that is livestock leavings.
.
Don’t ask me what that means. Just a terrible diatribe.
,
Let’s just say that I am urinated off.
Americannodash on June 23, 2009 at 6:19 PM
And considering the fact that we have spent considerable time and energy screwing with these people for decades, Terry, they are one of the problems we have to deal with.
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 6:20 PM
How do you spell “Obama”?
O B A M A
…or rather…
P O S E R
Handel on June 23, 2009 at 6:21 PM
I’m sure Gibbs will replace Fox News with a “reporter” from Democrat Underground.
Speedwagon82 on June 23, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Well than why aren’t you demanding his statement on one of the other many many dictatorships worldwide? I mean if you really care about the Iranian people.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 6:21 PM
That was the exact argument that the Traitor-in-Chief gave for not saying anything about the Iranian situation from the beginning.
Do you people have any memory, at all? I mean, I know you’re all as dumb as rocks, but that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be able to remember what happened two days ago.
You people will be recorded as the most despicable and moronic group of humans ever to have existed. I hope you’re aware of that.
progressoverpeace on June 23, 2009 at 6:22 PM
orange:
I would say a lot of liberals are reactionaries these days. Often as not they are the ones who support the dictators, the status quo and who resist any effort to open markets or liberalize political systems.
Down right reactionary.
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Question is: When will the buyers’ remorse kick in with the obama voters? What exactly will it take to make these people realize how completely stupid they were to vote for a guy because he “looks good” when making speeches?
ErinF on June 23, 2009 at 6:22 PM
That is what the Shah thought too. Look how that turned out.
Terrye on June 23, 2009
Sorry but the takeover of the US Embassy was little to do with the fall of the Shah though for the US it appears that way. For the Shah there were a few Colonels of the Iranian Army that facilitated the whole take over.
Dr. Dog on June 23, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Actually, I would get behind that, but he’s in their bookclubs and such good friends with them that I’m not expecting much.
myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 6:23 PM
faraway:
Like Magic!! Voila! no more problems..
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Maybe this will teach Americans, in the future, to ignore those candidates who have no experience in basically anything other than campaigning.
scalleywag on June 23, 2009 at 6:23 PM
And considering the fact that we have spent considerable time and energy screwing with these people for decades, Terry, they are one of the problems we have to deal with.
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Considering that fact maybe we should stop meddling in their affairs.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Uhoh, careful gang. This one is trying to use actual logic.
faraway on June 23, 2009 at 6:23 PM
When a prior President labeled a few salient dictatorships the “axis of evil” the Left and the MSM went wild trying to convince the world that he was a dangerous idiot cowboy who would get us all killed.
This President? Hasn’t met a dictator he doesn’t want to sit down and have lunch with.
coldwarrior on June 23, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Because he desperately wants to join their club
HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 6:24 PM
My my, you seem to take criticism of Obama as poorly as he does.
The fact is that he has every intention of “getting involved” with Iran, regardless of the outcome of uprising. What I think is utterly worthless is his willingness to have America treat Iranian diplomats likely any friendly ally by having them all over the various embassies and missions to join in celebrating the birthday of the “Great Satan”. What I find utterly reprehensible is his inability to come up with any condemnation of violence with which largely peaceful demonstrators were met until 10 days after it all started. And what I find absolutely laughable is his repetition of the hollow platitudes about supporting Iranians’ human rights of the freedom of assembly when he knows – or should know – that Iran is a country in which the very concept of human rights is anathema.
ProfessorMiao on June 23, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Because all that ever comes out of the mouth of the Traitor-in-Chief are praises for the dictators around the world and false apologies for America.
BTW, when is the Traitor-in-Chief going to apologize to the American people for having stupidly tried to tell us that we needed to sit down at a table and hold high-level, official negotiations with Achmadinejad and the savage mullahs? He owes us an apology for his abject stupidity. And you do, too.
progressoverpeace on June 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM
+1
cmsinaz on June 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM
You know, everyone is saying that Obama changed his tone and took a tough stance against the Iranian regime.
I might be the only one, but I still didn’t think it was a very tough statement against the rulers in Iran. I wanted him to say that he stands with the protesters and would love to see the regime toppled. Seriously, I wanted him to basically say that the current Iranian regime was dead to him.
He still wouldn’t commit when asked if there was anything the Iranian regime could do to make Obama withdraw his offer of negotiations. And he was very evasive when asked if the Iranians are still invited to the 4th of July celebrations at our embassies.
And, oh yeah, I still won’t forget that it took him a week and a half to arrive (almost) at a place that anyone with moral clarity would have arrived at after one day.
Much too little, much too late. I’m still embarrassed by his response on behalf of America.
JohnInCA on June 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Terry:
Good idea. I would like to know if Obama thinks the North Koreans are indeed part of an Axis of Evil. Minus one Axis member ofcourse.
I love the whole, if we can not get rid of all the dictators then why care about any of them argument.
However, if a minority of Americans do not have health insurance then it is necessary to turn the whole system upside down, right now this minute.
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Terry must be a Paulian. Liberals can’t use logic – even simple logic.
faraway on June 23, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Obama has handled Iran very very badly. No one thinks he has been strong enough of a spokesman for freedom. This will weigh on people. Obama failed the 3am call and is failing on the Korean front as well. Actually there is no foreign policy on which he has not embarrassed himself and us. This will start to wear on his approval numbers, hopefully.
petunia on June 23, 2009 at 6:28 PM
coldwarrior,
The People might be able to initiate a insurgency operation for a short while. But without logistical support it is not sustainable. So unless a portion of the Army swings over its a forgone conclusion.
Dr. Dog on June 23, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Bravo.
scalleywag on June 23, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Dr. Dog”
My point was that people thought the Shah was going to be a lot tougher to get rid of than he was. No one expected our embassy to be taken over either.
We don’t really know yet where this uprising will lead either.
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Oh, it’s going to get much more embarassing as the days go on.
After the protestors are put down, our president is going to grovel to the mullahs for a summit.
myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 6:28 PM
In foreign affairs we either need to always work in our economic advantage or try to make a real difference for good everywhere. I hate how we condemn certain places and make other places our buddies(china) when they are both basically inhumanely just as evil.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 6:28 PM
waiting for a surgery that could take place in 2 weeks that will now take 9 months when obamacare rolls in
cmsinaz on June 23, 2009 at 6:28 PM
You are misrepresenting what Bolton said. He did say that we should not and could not get involved, but he ALSO SAID that the president should have given a much stronger statement about freedom and oppression.
But that part doesn’t fit the meme, right? Liar.
IrishEi on June 23, 2009 at 6:29 PM
He will never be. He doesn’t believe in it. Read the writings of his Marxist mentors.
faraway on June 23, 2009 at 6:30 PM
Because all that ever comes out of the mouth of the Traitor-in-Chief are praises for the dictators around the world and false apologies for America.
progressoverpeace on June 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM
What praise? Could you please reference for me the time that Obama praised dictators.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 6:30 PM
It was a little weak IMO too. Bush would have been a lot more aggressive. And Reagan? His head veins might have popped.
scalleywag on June 23, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Terry:
Meddling in their affairs? Oh please, how naive are you? Do you honestly believe that this regime is just behaving the way it does because it is being meddled with?
You know moron, that coup was over 50 years ago. And in that time the left has overlooked the slaughter of tens of millions of people by totalitarian leaders, but somehow this one coup is an outrage they can not get past. That was part of the Cold War. It was about a Soviet puppet. It has nothing to do with this.
Since then the Iranians have killed Americans all over the world, whether we meddled or not. I would say that if they just stopped screaming Death to America on a daily basis maybe things might get better for them.
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Terry..Have you ever heard of silence being an endorsement?
HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 6:33 PM
I bet with a stronger statement Mousavi would have then been declared the winner, lol.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Come on, you know you just hate that distinction because China keeps the evil Wal-Mart in business.
myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Terry, Terry, Terry. We really don’t have time to teach you how to use Google to look stuff up. It’s really hard and stuff.
faraway on June 23, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Garrett and some lady at the RTCA dinner…
ninjapirate on June 23, 2009 at 6:33 PM
You know, folks, NONE of this…….
……..
…is helping Michelle’s kids.
Hawkins1701 on June 23, 2009 at 6:34 PM
I hope he does still try and meet with the maniacal little tyrant in Iran…then his chances of re-elction will be between slim and none when people start to realize that hey, there really is no negotiating with this regime.
scalleywag on June 23, 2009 at 6:34 PM
I don’t like how the Chinese regime treats its people, but that doesn’t mean that I would bad mouth Iran while trading with China. I would just trade with both and look the other way. Anything else is just hypocritical.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 6:35 PM
“we’ve been entirely consistent….”
the question wasn’t about consistency Mr. President–it was about timing. What took you so long?
ted c on June 23, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Could you please help me then? And its dictators plural. Show me these statements in which he praises dictators.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Bad mouth Iran? You are a simpleton, Terry Silver.
myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Obama called the Saudi King “wise and gracious”.
myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Terry:
You idiot. All the hell Obama had to do, was come out right off the bat and make the kind of statement that leaders all over the world made when this whole thing happened.
This is not about every freaking dictator on the planet. That is absurd. That is like saying if we can not get rid of every criminal on the planet then we should just give it up and get rid of all the jails.
The United States has also fed more people, provided humanitarian aid to more people, given medical care to more people, and supported the human rights of more people than any nation in history. And not all of them were our friends either.
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Well said sir. I am astounded by the wealth of insight in your response.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 6:40 PM
From W’s 2006 State of the Union via Lorie Byrd at Townhall:
IrishEi on June 23, 2009 at 6:41 PM
That’ll shut him up….for a minute.
+10
HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 6:41 PM
It’s ma’am. I’ve worked hard for that title.
myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Why didn’t Major ask him what kind of lotion Michelle uses on her arms? That’s much more important.
johnnybgood on June 23, 2009 at 6:43 PM
I, for one, miss the tears in W’s eyes and the emotion when he addressed a tragedy like what is happening in Iran. The man had a heart. Obama has to watch the polls for a few days and then give some tepid, pansy, limp-wristed comment about “outrage”.
TXMomof3 on June 23, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Absolutely true. My other favorite: When he says, “I’ve been very consistent about…” – you know he’s on the back end of a perfectly executed flip-flop.
I also tend to like, “Let me be perfectly clear…” – you know the following statement will be neither clear nor truthful.
JohnInCA on June 23, 2009 at 6:43 PM
HoustonRight:
Terry is probably a Paulbot. Hopeless.
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Hands on-Hands off. Did Obama go to the Mr. Miyagi school of foreign policy?
ICBM on June 23, 2009 at 6:44 PM
What do other dictators have to do with the Iranian people?
I thought that Obama got off to a hopeless start when he lauded the Iranians for the “robust debate” that characterized the election. He dug himself a hole with that one.
But he is the one who wants to engage Iran, not vice versa. It appears that he doesn’t have a clue about the nature of the regime he thinks he can sweet talk out of nuclear weapons.
ProfessorMiao on June 23, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Thats a horrible analogy. What we’re doing and have always done is similar to jailing some prisoners and giving other prisoners a lucrative job. We’re not fooling anybody. There is nothing worse than a hypocrite. We proclaim to be for democracy while at the same time propping up dictators. Why don’t we just be real and say we only care about our democracy?
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 6:44 PM
DelDolemonte–they have “kill haole day” at Punahou, how you figgah?
fnhaole on June 23, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Sorry pat.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Agreed.
myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 6:46 PM
I also tend to like, “Let me be perfectly clear…” – you know the following statement will be neither clear nor truthful.
JohnInCA
Nor is it even very original. That was Lyndon Johnson’s favorite catch phrase.
Dr. Dog on June 23, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Thank you..At least W knew what foreign policy is.
HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 6:46 PM
That’d be one of Nixon’s standard phrases.
“That dog won’t hunt.” is more LBJ-like.
coldwarrior on June 23, 2009 at 6:49 PM
China has the best foreign policy. They don’t give a crap who they deal with AND nobody is screaming “death to China”. We have this half assed moralizing problem that needs to go.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 6:50 PM
There is nothing worse than a hypocrite. We proclaim to be for democracy while at the same time propping up dictators. Why don’t we just be real and say we only care about our democracy?
Terry Silver
Because dim bulb, in international affairs one has to pick one’s fights and move carefully even for a superpower. Diplomtically there is no way we could engage in any meaningful way with the conversion of China to a democracy at this time. However in Iran there was the glimmering moment for an Iranian ‘Prague Spring’ had we been adroit enough to facilitate the situation.
Dr. Dog on June 23, 2009 at 6:51 PM
portlandon on June 23, 2009 at 6:52 PM
I just love the way the pathetic narcissist says “we” when he’s on the defensive. All of the sudden the whole WH is involved in the message and not just His Majesty.
He makes me sick.
keebs on June 23, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Hey, give obama a chance. He’s getting us on the road to communism as quickly as he can. yes, he can!
HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Those pesky morals and values do get in the way!
HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Hey how did that Prague Spring end up for the Czechs? Idiot. You have to be some kind of grade A moron to actually believe that Iran is any closer to democracy than China.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Wow, some new trolls to play with… About time, the last batch made for useful fun for a few months, then hit the exit never to be heard from again. Maybe this new batch will have thicker skin than their limp d**k wussified leader. I mean, this guy is an absolute embarrassment to all men that carry a single ounce of macho in their blood line. It’s no wonder the limpy voted “present” 99% of the time; it takes some macho to actually take a stance.
This Obama guy should be given credit where credit is due. This creature says nothing better than any human I’ve ever witnessed. This creature says nothing, and people like Terry Silver bow down in appreciation, only to find themselves having to make up answers for what they think Obama actually meant when he was busy saying nothing.
Keemo on June 23, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Text of her speech at the link:
http://flapsblog.com/2008/09/22/sarah-palin-watch-the-iran-speech-palin-was-not-allowed-to-give/
yogi41 on June 23, 2009 at 6:57 PM
I think that photo op between Obama and Ahmadinejad is going to be precious. The campaign commercials write themselves.
elduende on June 23, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Nothing can be explained or debated with a person who states that “there is nothing worse than a hypocrite“.
myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Oh I’ve got morals and values for my fellow Americans. The thing is that you don’t get to number #1 by being Mr. Nice Guy. You do it by doing what is best for your interests. Not costly “nation building”.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Iran has taken revenge on some of its World Cup soccer players for merely sporting green…
What did the Prague Spring accomplish? It was a major step in the right direction…for the Czechs and for eastern Europe. Taken alone, which is faulty analysis to begin with, it was a mere drop in the bucket, but it did serve to shatter the Soviet’s idea of a united East Bloc and made it apparent to all members of the Warsaw Pact that the Breznev Doctrine meant hey had to toe the line or get stepped on hard…and from 1968 onward it was a mere matter of time before the East Bloc no longer looked toward Moscow as the champion of the workers of the world and all that.
Is Iran closer than China to democracy? Might be. They’ve been force fed the Islamist pap for 30 years, and the younger kids, most of Iran, are getting a bit tired of it. Getting arrested for accessing the internet? Getting killed for not wearing a chadorah? Iran is not cut off from the West…and the tweets from Iran shows this in spades.
If these people are willing to risk death, up close and personal, to gain a modicum of freedom, or the whole enchilada, I’m behind them 100%.
If our young kids would step away from the X-box long enough, they could make a real difference here, too, instead of “supporting” a nanny state by campaigning for Obama.
coldwarrior on June 23, 2009 at 7:03 PM
The Prague Spring was in ‘68. They were under the iron curtain until ‘90. Nough said.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Terry:
Hypocrite? That is absurd. So you are saying on one hand that we just ignore all the dictators and trade and stuff and the other we should not meddle. Did I get that right?
Talk about horrible analogies. On one hand you want us to ignore all the bad guys and on the other you do not think the US should even venture an opinion about current events.
The American president made a stronger condemnation of the Chinese and their treatment of dissidents in the past than Obama did here. The United States actually made enough of a commitment to liberty in some countries that we sacrificed our own people to stand up for what was right.
Now you seem to be saying that unless we can stop dealing with, looking at, or doing business with any and every undemocratic nation on the planet, the President of the United States should not make a statement of support for anyone anywhere. But the French can and the Germans and anyone else who feels like it.
You are not being reasonable.
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 7:07 PM
The Prague Spring was in ‘68. They were under the iron curtain until ‘90. Nought said.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 7:04 PM
FIFY
Read some of the writings of Vaclav Havel…his “Velvet Revolution” of 1989 had its roots in the Prague Spring in 1968. He was there. I’d trust his take on the matter.
coldwarrior on June 23, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Is consistent too much to ask?
Chuck Schick on June 23, 2009 at 7:08 PM
I beleive also in a position of strenth. But, when did the advocacy of democracy stop being in our best interest. You contradict yourself. How does staying quite, keeping to ourselves not equate to being “Mr. Nice Guy”
HoustonRight on June 23, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Why isn’t Obama as “hands off” towards the Israelis? He doesn’t seem to have any problem telling them what they can and can’t do.
There wasn’t much that Reagan could do to help Solidarity, either; but there sure as hell was never any doubt as to which side had his sympathy.
ddrintn on June 23, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Terry:
The Chinese just kill their Muslims when they get out of line. Is that the policy you want us to follow. And a lot of people would like to see the Chinese government die, many of them in fact are Chinese.
The Chinese meddle. They meddle in the Middle East. They meddle in Asia. They meddle in Africa. They threaten war with the US over Taiwan. They get in between the US and North Korea. They are on the UN Security Council. They are not isolationists.
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 7:10 PM
I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to say that is is hypocritical to treat countries differently that are guilty of the same crimes. I guess thats just where we differ.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Just to see the look on his face was 100% priceless! So nice to see B.O. finally get thrown a question that he has no BS answer for.
pilamaye on June 23, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Get this, one minute Terry is yammering about hypocrits who don’t do enough to stand against dictators and then he talks about how he likes the Chinese.
Yep, gotta be a Paulbot. Probably a truther too.
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 7:12 PM
I am getting old so maybe someone on here can help me. I did not hear an answer to either of the questions. Did I miss the answers or were they buried in BO’s rambling babble?
Wade on June 23, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Terry:
Who is treating them differently? The American president condemned the treatment of dissidents in China. Why can’t this American president be as firm with Iran? No one is saying we should go to war with them right now right here.
Terrye on June 23, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Yeah, he painted himself into a corner with that idiotic, narcissistic preening on the day of the election in Iran. “It’s all about me, me, MEEEEEE!!!!”
ddrintn on June 23, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Correct, they are not isolationist. They do whatever they like, as long as it best serves their interests, but they don’t moralize about it or apoligize for it. I can at least respect that.
Terry Silver on June 23, 2009 at 7:14 PM
At the risk of invoking Godwin’s Law, that was the situation in Europe back in 1938.
coldwarrior on June 23, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Well golly then, what’s your gripe with US involvement in Vietnam or the Dominican Republic or with pre-Castro Cuba or with Iraq or…
ddrintn on June 23, 2009 at 7:19 PM
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