Iranian protesters “confess”: Er, yeah, the whole thing’s a foreign plot
posted at 8:20 pm on June 23, 2009 by Allahpundit
Just a reminder for our studiously unmeddling president that he’s going to be accused of meddling anyway. And yes, hard to believe though it may be, there really are people in Iran who’ll believe it. Thirty years of nonstop propaganda will do that to you. To wit:
“That’s what comes from pouring into the streets,” was my mother’s casual reaction when I showed her the clip [of Neda's murder]. My mother is hardly a callous person. On Friday, when the supreme leader declared in his nationally broadcast sermon that he is willing to give his life for “upholding Islam,” my mother—like most people listening, including a prayer hall filled with grown men—wept.
She was not touched by the video of Neda because it was not compatible with her essential presumptions. She cannot believe, for instance, that a Basij member could kill an innocent girl. To my mother, Basij members are the embodiment of everything admirable: They are deeply religious and completely devoted to the supreme leader. Their demeanor resembles that of the “martyrs”—those killed during the Iran-Iraq war. My mother’s brother was a young Basij member who was killed during the war. She could not believe someone so much like her brother could have murdered an innocent girl…
Her offhand reaction, however, offended me. She was quick to detect my indignation. “Son, you and your brother have been brainwashed by the Western media…Why do you believe everything they say?” This is our parents’ typical line when they encounter the deep chasm that separates our way of thinking. It is completely futile to debate and determine who is actually being brainwashed. Like us, they have not suddenly formed their outlook in a day, as a result of open debating with someone.
My brother and I often forget that the state-run TV is almost the only way our parents, like many Iranians of their generation, get information. The state knows this very well. That’s why Jam-e-Jam, Islamic republic’s broadcasting building, is one of the most heavily fortified sections of Tehran.
If you missed Hitchens’s piece yesterday in Headlines about how crucial anti-western conspiracy theories are to modern Iranian culture, catch up now. It’s an essential gloss on what you’re about to see and a useful commentary on The One’s naivete in thinking that his (relative) silence will exempt him from this treatment. Below the NBC clip you’ll find one from a propaganda outlet called Russia Today, recycling the same anti-American crap for the benefit of its similarly deluded, similarly cloistered Russian audience. Nothing surprising to it, but it’s darkly amusing in the same way Baghdad Bob was. Exit question via Richard Engel: Iran’s banning use of the phrase … “Allahu Akbar”? Or does he mean just on rooftops?
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Obama: Told ya!
Upstater85 on June 23, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Arthur Koestler’s Darkness at Noon comes to mind when I hear these ‘confessions.’
lexhamfox on June 23, 2009 at 8:24 PM
“Allahu Akbar”? Banned? Only from the rooftops….
Might be time to change the rallying cry:
“Die Gedanken sind Frei!!”
“Die Gedanken sind frei, wer kann sie erraten,
sie fliegen vorbei wie nächtliche Schatten.
Kein Mensch kann sie wissen, kein Jäger erschießen
mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!”
Catchy little tune, too.
coldwarrior on June 23, 2009 at 8:27 PM
From a previous thread….
doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 8:28 PM
I wonder how Gibbs is going to play this video at tomorrow’s Nooner… huhughuh I mean Press Conference…
Upstater85 on June 23, 2009 at 8:28 PM
i shudder to think of what kind of duress these people were under when they made these “confessions”.
homesickamerican on June 23, 2009 at 8:29 PM
doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Is this the Western answer to the Oriental infatuation with consipracy theories?
lexhamfox on June 23, 2009 at 8:30 PM
President Ice Cream will never get this. He has shaped, and molded his opinion on America years ago. The man does not believe he is ever wrong. Just look at his answer today about Graham, and McCain! The man belittled the opinions of two U.S. Senators who have both served in the military, served in the Senate far longer than him, and have had vastly more experience in foreign affairs. He trivialized these men, and their roles in our government. Makes you wonder if he would listen to Dennis Ross, (if he was still around), if he is listening to General Petraeus, and if he would listen to any other more experienced people who know how troublesome his naive views are when it comes to Iran?
This is the scariest part of what make our President, our President. He really does have a Messiah complex.
freeus on June 23, 2009 at 8:30 PM
That would explain why Mousavi is still alive.
OldEnglish on June 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM
I think that it’s from the rooftops. But it has gotten that bad. And nobody is going to inform on anyone else, but it does show how paranoid the gov’t is getting.
Here’s a little secondhand tidbit from Qom, where the real battle is going on. http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insightb/articles/eav062209.shtml According to this one Rafsanjani has enough votes to get Khameni removed, but everyone’s fighting over what comes next. Um… I’m sure that the protesters getting killed in the streets would like the mullahs to figure that one out already.
Illinidiva on June 23, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Yes… quite curious… Hmmm…
Upstater85 on June 23, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Reminds me of the taped confessions from the movie 1984. Wonder if they put them through the same deprogramming methods.
katy on June 23, 2009 at 8:34 PM
The young people in Iran won’t be fooled by this crap. I really think they know better.
The government asking it’s citizens to inform on each other for saying a forbidden phrase. That sounds awfully familiar.
Guardian on June 23, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Mousavi is still alive and not in jail because they don’t want to make him into another martyr. He’s basically under house arrest however, which is why his FB page and his twitter account are doing all the talking. The election fraud and the outrage over it seem pretty real to me. It strikes me as the early stages of a popular uprising.
I also think that some upper level people are hedging their bets to wait for Rafsanjani’s move from Qom and whether he can remove Khamenei from office. I don’t think that Khamenei and Dinner Jacket are going to go quietly, so it could mean armed conflict.
Illinidiva on June 23, 2009 at 8:40 PM
The Iranian people — yes, the protesters you’ve sanctimoniously pledged solidarity with — hate your guts, and would love to see America or Israel go down in flames. Don’t be fooled.
But OH I forgot, it’s not about them, it’s not about the terrorist Mousavi the guy they’re protesting on behalf of, it’s about whatever YOU project on to them like “freedom” and “liberty.”
jjraines on June 23, 2009 at 8:40 PM
So people in Iran only have state run media soputin’ lies, just like old people watching state run NBC here.
Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 8:43 PM
Hitchens mentioned that Obama quoted the wrong MLK letter. I read the one that Hitchens said he should have quoted. It was quite good. It also made a great point.
MLK was responding to people in Birmingham that said he was an outsider interfering with other people’s business.
This was his response:
JadeNYU on June 23, 2009 at 8:43 PM
Isn’t it funny that NBC of all news organizations is reporting on propaganda techniques by Iranian state run media………….?
…………… Next up, Brian Williams asking Americans to inform on neighbors who dislike Obama.
Seven Percent Solution on June 23, 2009 at 8:43 PM
When I was in college I worked with a foreign student from Syria. He told us then that if the US ever went to war with Syria, then he would return to his homeland and fight against us.
While I understood his love for his native land, I wanted so badly to tell him to GTFO!!!
ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Oversimplification to diminish or minimize. It wasn’t ice cream, it was Frozen Custard, therefore justifying the trip out of town to distract from so-called ‘more important’ matters. Typical of a racist…. — er, um, a dessertist, or a frozen-dairy-treatist.
Tom_OC on June 23, 2009 at 8:45 PM
You should have told him you’d be in the plane dropping the bombs.
/only half joking.
Upstater85 on June 23, 2009 at 8:46 PM
For what that’s worth.
pfamis on June 23, 2009 at 8:46 PM
I think the cons are right on this one… I mean clearly Obama was discriminating against those that are lactose intolerant…
Upstater85 on June 23, 2009 at 8:47 PM
It has already gone beyond Mousavi…if Mousavi were the only fly in the ointment, this entire week of protests would have ended days ago. When “government” starts killing citizens on its streets for no other reason than merely being on the street, the issue grows way beyond election fraud, it gets personal. And from the many Iranians I have known, know, and have worked with over the years, here and abroad, from recent emails and phone calls, what is going on out there is nothing less today than a demand for a wholesale change of government.
Tomorrow’s rally will be a key pivot point. If it turns out bad…Basij and IRGC mowing down attendees…the mullah’s goose is cooked.
coldwarrior on June 23, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Damn… They banned Allahu Akbar??? Holy crap. Next, they’ll be outlawing the burka… Just like France.
RalphyBoy on June 23, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Call me crazy, but if I were a captured protester in Iran, and my family was threatened, and I had a gun pointed at my head, I would say the exact same thing.
Sometimes you just gotta say “what the f$&#?”
marybel on June 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Isn’t that hilarious that the Islamic Republic of Iran is preventing people from chanting a common prayer phrase?
Illinidiva on June 23, 2009 at 8:49 PM
doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 8:28 PM
makes a whole lotta sense, there’s a lot of smoke being blown here and for what? hmmmmmm….
SHARPTOOTH on June 23, 2009 at 8:50 PM
If they’re able to pull this off… The basijis are doing a good job breaking up the protests.
Illinidiva on June 23, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Terrific!
Iran is as well educated as North Korea’s propaganda
as it relates to the west!!
canopfor on June 23, 2009 at 8:51 PM
I know an old Persian man here in CA that asked his daughter to help him download some rap music. She asked him why and he said, “My brother asked me to send him some Eminem.” That would be his brother back in Iran. It’s anecdotal and proves nothing, but, I really don’t get the sense that his family hates the U.S.
I know they don’t love us, but I also doubt they (as a whole) hate us. I’m sure there are radical elements in the country, perhaps even a large percentage, that hate ‘the great Satan’, but the average Iranian probably rarely thinks of the U.S. at all much less spends the time and energy to hate us.
This isn’t about replacing Ahmadinijad with Mousavi…it’s about people getting out on the street and protesting a ruling group (the supreme council) that is supposed to be, from their world view, divinely inspired and flawless. It’s a small crack….a tiny fissure…..but, we shouldn’t turn down the chance to make incremental progress out of a desire to wait until we can have everything we want at once.
Would I prefer an Iranian republic with a U.S.-like Constitution that accepts Israel and doesn’t support terrorists? Absolutely. But, I also feel that the enemy of the good is the perfect. I don’t want to waste an opportunity simply because I’m hoping there’s something better that will come if I just wait and do nothing.
JadeNYU on June 23, 2009 at 8:51 PM
I find it just as ironic that democrats call themselves liberals.
Upstater85 on June 23, 2009 at 8:51 PM
I find it just as ironic that democrats call themselves liberals.
Upstater85 on June 23, 2009 at 8:51 PM
And that Liberals call Conservatives intolerant.
kingsjester on June 23, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Ah yes… When are they going to drop the name? When will they just admit their own hate?
Upstater85 on June 23, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Perfect example of something that can’t make sense to someone born into a world of freedom. Your dignity served you well cuz in my eyes your thoughts are every bit as good as shooting him with your finger. Keep thinking – I like it.
ericdijon on June 23, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Quite so, but I take the view that Mousavi is being protected, so as to allow this manufactured distraction to run its course – while the real problems are sorted out in the shadows. There does seem to be two factions at play here; one for returning to, and strengthening, the ideals of the revolution, versus a broadening of Islam’s influence among other religions.
The young seem to have moved beyond the original concept of the revolution, and Khameni wants them pulled back into line.
The real problem with trying to figure out what the heck is really going on is the fact that I am not of Mid-Eastern mind. My values just don’t apply.
OldEnglish on June 23, 2009 at 8:57 PM
It’s pretty hard to believe that there would be very many people over there who are that insane. Next thing you will be telling us is that people over here believe that Global Warming will kill us all unless we cut way back on carbon emissions or buy a whole lot of carbon credits.
MB4 on June 23, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Obama says “let’s have a wienie roast and let by gones be by gones”. Idiot. Supreme Court, where are you?
suzyk on June 23, 2009 at 9:02 PM
“My brother and I often forget that the state-run TV is almost the only way our parents, like many Iranians of their generation, get information.”
Fast forward to a family in California in 2029
“My brother and I often forget that the state-run TV is almost the only way our parents, like many Americans of their generation, get information.”
the Coondawg on June 23, 2009 at 9:03 PM
His mom sounds like the typical Ochimpy supporter.
csdeven on June 23, 2009 at 9:03 PM
1984 has been spreading,far and wide!
It needs to stop!
canopfor on June 23, 2009 at 9:04 PM
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I’ve taken to calling Hillary and Biden traitors… in mixed company… then justifying it by pointing to their backstabbing of the troops after they voted to put them in harms way.
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You should see the heads spin. That’s entertainment!
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RalphyBoy on June 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM
It would explain a lot of things but that’s not one of them.
Cheshire Cat on June 23, 2009 at 9:06 PM
We’re all mad here.
Cheshire Cat on June 23, 2009 at 9:06 PM
BTW, several commenters have made the assertion that Iranians, in general, don’t hate the West. I agree, the Persian in them doesn’t, but the Muslim in them does.
OldEnglish on June 23, 2009 at 9:07 PM
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I don’t know that you need that 2 in the middle there, a 0 would do from what I been seeing.
RalphyBoy on June 23, 2009 at 9:08 PM
I want my 2009 back!
I want the facts,from side’A”
and side’B'!
Then,I’ll make up my own mind,
and form my own opinion!
With out State Runned Media,telling me,
exactly,what to believe!!
canopfor on June 23, 2009 at 9:08 PM
I figure the truthers fit in that group of loons also.
csdeven on June 23, 2009 at 9:09 PM
Mousavi is basically under house arrest. They’re betting that the protests will die down and that they’ll be able to formally arrest him; there will only be strongly worded condemnation letters from the EU and Amnesty International and a two paragraph blurb on page A-26 of the NY Times. (See Myammar). If they formally arrest him (and his wife) now, then they’ll be making him into a more popular and sympathetic figure than he already is.
Illinidiva on June 23, 2009 at 9:09 PM
The Muslim in them hate everything and everyone that isn’t their brand of Muslim. The Persian version of the Westboro Baptist Church.
csdeven on June 23, 2009 at 9:11 PM
May I take it that you don’t think that this whole thing is a scam, feeding off a known dissatisfaction within the young?
OldEnglish on June 23, 2009 at 9:12 PM
OT
Doriangrey, are you still here?
goddessoftheclassroom on June 23, 2009 at 9:14 PM
He’s currently supposed to appear at a 4 PM rally tomorrow. That’s about 10 hours from now.
Pablo on June 23, 2009 at 9:15 PM
One of the major problems Tehran has been having for the past several years is young people who are not very Moslem. Rap and HipHop are very large sellers in Iran, piracy being what it is, and under those chadoras the young women are required to wear they wear some pretty provocative clothing. Underground rock and roll “dens” are widespread throughout Tehran, and then there is that internet thingie…
These 30-somethings/20-somethings in iran have known the mullahtocracy up close all their lives, and in any way they can they defy it. And the Iranian “government” arrests, tortures, kills, or simply makes people disappear for no other reason than engaging in un-Moslem activities. At some point what these people see daily has got to have an impact on them…and we are seeing it on the streets not only in Tehran but in cities across Iran today.
This has gone way beyond a botched attempt to keep Imadinnerjacket in office and allow the mullahs to maintain control.
The facade has cracked….now it is about time it shattered.
coldwarrior on June 23, 2009 at 9:15 PM
this is almost as painful as watching the Senate hearings with oil executives when oil hit $140.
Confess! Confess!
TexasJew on June 23, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Unfortunately for me, I couldn’t think that fast back then…but yeah, that would have been a most excellent comeback.
/only half joking
ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Granted on the reaction scenario. Perhaps it’s because I just don’t understand the Eastern mind. If i were running the show, and determined to become more repressive than I am now, i wouldn’t care about sympathetic feelings, i would simply crush it when it suited me, knowing, as you say, that there would be no repercussions of note.
OldEnglish on June 23, 2009 at 9:18 PM
This reminds me of the National Geographic Saddam Hussein Biography that was on last weekend, specifically when they showed the trial for Saddam.
All the westerners and non-Iraqi’s were shocked at the fact that even though Saddam was in chains and in the docket, and surely headed for execution once being found guilty, the rest of the Iraq’s in the room still cowered and shrank away from him as if he could still strike them down with just so much as a breath.
30 years of brutal oppression doesn’t exactly disintegrate immediately once the lights are turned on. Especially if they’ve been brainwashed their whole lives.
I mean, can you imagine if North Korea ever gets liberated? Those folks will be walking out of a twilight zone episode.
Tman on June 23, 2009 at 9:19 PM
I bet they suffered something far worse than waterboarding prior to the confession.
Disturb the Universe on June 23, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Tut, tut, you can take it any way you want, but the moral of the story is that this whole thing about this all being just a scam is the scam.
Cheshire Cat on June 23, 2009 at 9:22 PM
Well thank you, kind sir…but that was quite a few years ago. While I’m still a thinker, nowadays I’m more apt to just let loose with the snark…you’d think maturity would have brought about the opposite. LOL
ladyingray on June 23, 2009 at 9:22 PM
That would be nice, CW, but aren’t the Mullahs banking on being able to crush this in a way that allows them to go back to the seventh century?
You are, as always, bang on in your assessment of the current situation, but I worry that an end-game is being played out here.
OldEnglish on June 23, 2009 at 9:24 PM
We’ll see if he shows. The last credible report I heard about him was from Saturday. (Apparently, there have been a few YouTube videos of him posted and it seems like he was at that protest).
I think that it would be sort of hard for him to show up at a protest when he’s been tracked 24/7 by the secret police.
Illinidiva on June 23, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Of course, you do. This is Islam we’re talking about. They’re all about martyrs and martyrdom. This is just a more benign sort of martyrdom we’re talking about then blowing up yourself at an Israeli pizza joint.
Illinidiva on June 23, 2009 at 9:28 PM
So, the scam would appear to be working.
OldEnglish on June 23, 2009 at 9:29 PM
Goddess…… Yes I am here…. wonderful to see you here sweetheart… ;)
doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Dead right, there – I don’t understand Islam, that’s for sure.
OldEnglish on June 23, 2009 at 9:32 PM
George W. Bush discussing the effects of victory in Iraq, November 6, 2003.
Obama’s team takes credit for a hard fought battle they are determined to give up on!
What short memories we have…
David
LifeTrek on June 23, 2009 at 9:34 PM
No offense intended, but that sounds a little crazy. I mean, they know Obama’s cool with them getting the bomb anyway. This demonstration that only undermines his naivete would make that more difficult.
So let’s just kill them all and let God settle it out, huh?
Esthier on June 23, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Many French people hate our guys to. Should we kill them as well?
Illinidiva on June 23, 2009 at 9:38 PM
But, but, he made that speech in Cairo.
pfamis on June 23, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Read the directions and directly you will be directed in the right direction.
Cheshire Cat on June 23, 2009 at 9:39 PM
It’s about preventing Israel from acting, not preventing the US from Acting. As long as Obama and company think this might result in a favorable regime change they will attempt to intimidate Israel into not taking action.
doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Just like American activism there are many different groups protesting the same issue. But they still have deep divides among themselves. IE the gays and minorities. As a rule, minorities are pro prop 8.
In Iran there are segments that hate the west and want Iranian democracy. Mousavi is as bad as dinnerjacket but protest him because they want their brand of terror ruling Iran. Then there are those who are pro west and want democracy in Iran. It is the latter group I support. When the time comes and these protesters break away and form according toi ideology, I will not support the former just because they protested with those I agree with.
csdeven on June 23, 2009 at 9:46 PM
doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Why should Israel feel intimidated by Obama? No other country does.
Disturb the Universe on June 23, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Why not? Or at least, let’s not get too concerned if others start killing them. That would be wrong.
I don’t see how they could think this will end with regime change if the unarmed protesters aren’t given some help.
Esthier on June 23, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Because the US backs their plays and they need a pro Israeli US to protect their back.
Other countries don’t because they see him as a puppet ruler with no backbone.
csdeven on June 23, 2009 at 9:49 PM
President Bush appeared to me to be a man aware of his limitations. He asked for advice from people whom he trusted and made decisions, right or wrong, based on what he thought would be best for the country,
President Obama appears to me to be unaware that he has limitations and thus makes decisions based on what he thinks is best for him.
goddessoftheclassroom on June 23, 2009 at 9:50 PM
Ah, there you are… How are you?
doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 9:52 PM
{doriangrey}
I’m fine, but I’ve missed you. I’m glad to “see” you here.
goddessoftheclassroom on June 23, 2009 at 9:55 PM
That’s an interesting take you have, and I hope to God it’s not correct, no offense. If history has shown us anything, it’s that the IDF and Mossad are on the ball when it comes to existential threats to the State of Israel. I wouldn’t bet against them here, either.
LeBron on June 23, 2009 at 9:58 PM
LeBron, I completely agree with you.
I hope to discuss issues with y’all later. Good night.
goddessoftheclassroom on June 23, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Well I was kickin it here for a long time before I visited LGF. I pop in in the mornings before work, 5am till 6am PST of course, ;) and then usually around 4:30pm after work… This place may not have the traffic of LGF, but I think you will like a lot of the poops that post here. You might even discover that you know a few of them… ;)
doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 10:02 PM
DANG IT… that was suppose to be peeps.. not poops… ;O
doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 10:03 PM
I hope you are right, but the evidence seems to rather ominously indicate otherwise. Unfortunately I suspect we will be getting conformation of my suspicions sooner than any of us care for. Perhaps as soon as July 4th 2009.
doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 10:06 PM
I thought you were pulling a Triumph act.
Esthier on June 23, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Yes, but that would be the NORKS nuking Hawaii, no?
LeBron on June 23, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Do not make the mistake of thinking that the events are separate. Iran is giving NK ICBM technology in exchange for Nuclear weapons technology. These events are not just coincidental, they are one and the same.
doriangrey on June 23, 2009 at 10:12 PM
George Soros and George Bush together at last (in the fevered mind of a person who even the Russian toady can’t help but call a conspiracy theorist).
I don’t doubt that the U.S. puts pressure on the regime as a bargaining chip, but to say the U.S. caused or even contributed to the current situation is ridiculous with Barack “stay the course” Obama in charge.
calbear on June 23, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Obama, by his stated ambition of talks with Iran – without preconditions, effectively defanged the Iranian diatribe. They don’t want talks, having made that quite clear. Hence the manufactured crisis, using the “useful idiots” to stir up enough trouble to “legitimize” a tightening of the regime – before taking the next step in their quest for regional power.
(I shall now make an appointment to treat the galloping necrosis in my fingers).
OldEnglish on June 23, 2009 at 10:51 PM
coldwarrior on June 23, 2009 at 8:47 PM
You guys really nailed this one right. Good Job!
It was amazing to me what some young Muslim women wear under the Jilbaab. Hot pants and skimpy teeshirts. I saw this in Kenya.
My Iranian friends have been telling me the same thing.
This has little to do with US intervention. This revolution belongs the Young Iranians and God Bless them. Neda is typical example of these people. God has a special place for her.
I never understood why Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected the first time. Then again I don’t understand why America elected a Communist into the White House. God Help US and Iran!!
Ed Laskie on June 23, 2009 at 11:07 PM
Very good and right on.
I didn’t agree with Bush about how he handled the economy. He should have followed his own instinct and let the market be free. VETO the Democratic spending. He did get good advice from the likes of the coldwarrar and let Iran fix itself. Saddam did a good job of fooling everyone into believing he already had the bomb.
Ed Laskie on June 23, 2009 at 11:15 PM
FIFY because that’s when Schools of Journalism started teaching that it was a Journalist responsibility to interpret the facts for you. You know, just to make sure you got the correct interpretation.
chemman on June 23, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Paul Craig Roberts in that second video is a Troofer and Ron Paul supporter
jp on June 23, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Lol! Yes, I admit it! I am the ice cream Nazi!
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Dorian is correct on the two being connected. Iran and NK. I have been watching this unfold with great interest as to whether, or not this is a shell game involving Iran, NK, Syria and of course Israel. There is much to suggest this rebellion was in the works for quite some time. The data was there prior to the election for all to see.
I would be shocked if we made it to September without Israel taking out the nukes. Quite frankly, I thought it would be at the end of June. And let me just say, the next time the fur flies, Israel is going to take back Gaza. This is not going to be like the war a few years back. This one is going to have to finish things once, and for all. Israel cannot have President Hate hanging, or hassling them about a stupid sham of a two state solution. They are going to mean business this time, and I say let it rip!
Hamas and Hezbollah are going to force Israel into this anyway. Bolton and others have suggested, or flat out said, when Israel hits Iran, Hamas and the Hezbos with not stop the attacks. Three front war. They suggested it will be like dominos falling all over the world as well. I fear we could reap some trouble as well. Sort of makes one wonder about the Norks, and the Kang Nam. Not to mention the escalation in the level of violence in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I would bet the farm the Mossad, and others, (Probably not our guys. God bless the poor CIA right now), are making sure they know where everything is in Iran. This rebellion was great in order to get more intel. Bibi knows what is at stake, and he is going to have to take control of the issue now in case that kooky Livni is able to wrestle power from him.
We are living in perilous times. Goddessoftheclassroom very correctly pointed out America’s greatest source of trouble. Like I said, I do not think the man will take advice, or listen to those who will know what to do.
Those poor kids in Iran are caught in the middle. At least the ones who really want the mullahs gone, the regime changed, and better relations with the West. I have a feeling by the time this is all over, they are going to hate just about everyone.
freeus on June 23, 2009 at 11:52 PM
I have a confession to make, I plotted the iranian protests.
and I am Spartacus.
bombos on June 24, 2009 at 1:14 AM
That’s ok, the protests are fine – it’s the vote scam that’s the problem. You couldn’t have had your protest without it.
OldEnglish on June 24, 2009 at 3:20 AM
“My brother and I often forget that the state-run TV is almost the only way our parents, like many Iranians of their generation, get information. The state knows this very well. That’s why Jam-e-Jam, Islamic republic’s broadcasting building, is one of the most heavily fortified sections of Tehran.”
Venezuala is on the way to this extreme and, in many ways, the US media plays the same role for the liberals.
davod on June 24, 2009 at 3:34 AM
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