Immigration on or off the table?

posted at 2:55 pm on June 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama claimed that immigration reform would remain at the top of his priorities for this year, but this expiration date lasted less than a day.  Roll Call confirms that the White House will drop immigration this year, consumed by its efforts to do damage control on the health-care and cap-and-trade fiascos falling apart on Capitol Hill:

The White House on Monday acknowledged that immigration reform is unlikely to move in Congress this year.

“I can see the president’s desire for it to happen but understanding that currently where we sit the math makes that real difficult,” said White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.

Obama will meet with a bipartisan group of lawmakers Thursday to discuss the issue at the White House.

But that meeting itself is in disarray as well, with people wondering whether they have invitations to the oft-delayed conference:

Backers of comprehensive immigration reform are gearing up for their first big meeting with President Barack Obama on Thursday, although it remains to be seen who will be attending and what will come of the bipartisan huddle.

Obama is hosting a small group of House and Senate lawmakers to begin discussions on the issue. Like Congressional leaders, Obama has signaled a desire to address the politically volatile issue but has given little detail on when or how to do so. …

Details of the meeting remain hazy. Key lawmakers still don’t know if they are invited or what to expect from the gathering.

Just expect some hope & change, baby!

Democrats complained in 2007 that the White House didn’t engage on immigration reform, despite George Bush’s rhetorical support for the McCain-Kennedy approach, which opponents called “amnesty lite.”  Now they have their own in the White House, and Obama makes Bush look like a legislative powerhouse.  In fact, Obama has developed a clear pattern of talking in generalities and then abandoning issues as soon as Congress begins to address them.  He’s done it on Porkulus, health care, cap-and-trade, and now on immigration.

Meanwhile, Helen Krieble has launched an effort called the Red Card Solution, a temporary worker program that requires workers to get the card in their home country before coming to the US:

Border security can only be accomplished by a combination of technology, border guards, AND a temporary work program to solve the labor problem.

The solution – border control and a temporary work program – does NOT require amnesty, and it does NOT require citizenship. The program is for temporary guest workers, not for immigrants – not for new citizens.

Well, this idea has floated around for a few years in different forms.  However, I’m not sure we have a “labor problem” any more.  We have unemployment hitting double digits, and the magnet for foreign labor has gotten a lot less powerful as a result.  I’m also not sanguine about a system that creates another visa category, and that relies on faulty enforcement to find violators and get them out of the US.  Much of the problem we have now came as a result of poor visa enforcement, and a red card won’t improve that on its own, although Krieble acknowledges that.

The small business owner plans to hold a briefing for staffers tomorrow morning, followed by a press conference in the afternoon.  Maybe Obama’s invitees could attend this meeting.  At least Krieble doesn’t keep postponing it.


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Immigration on or off the table?

Depends if the Mexican government starts bashing in heads…

Upstater85 on June 23, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Details of the meeting remain hazy. Key lawmakers still don’t know if they are invited or what to expect from the gathering.

And yet the press as well as DC insiders say that Palin’s staff is a problem when it comes to accepting invitations. So much so that it disqualifies her from national office.

myrenovations on June 23, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Border security can only be accomplished by a combination of technology, border guards, AND a temporary work program to solve the labor problem.

+10% funemployment, there wont be a labor shortage for quite some time. I know this quote is old, but with the way things are going I have a feeling that a temp work program while funemployment is so high for a while may not fly.

jharada on June 23, 2009 at 3:00 PM

these idiots have too much on there plates already…

SHARPTOOTH on June 23, 2009 at 3:01 PM

He may still push this as this is one Issue he has Republican Squish cover on.

He needs a win… as healthcare and Cap and Trade are not doing well.

Romeo13 on June 23, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Barry finally discovered there is a limit to the number of socialist agenda items he can cram down our throats at one time. Especially when he is standing in the corner sucking his thumb wondering what to do about NoKo and Iran.

txsurveyor on June 23, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Immigration on or off the table?

What does the polls say…

the_nile on June 23, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Well they could use ACORN to perform Red Card Checks to ensure people support Obama’s statist policies.

WashJeff on June 23, 2009 at 3:09 PM

In fact, Obama has developed a clear pattern of talking in generalities and then abandoning issues as soon as Congress begins to address them. He’s done it on Porkulus, health care, cap-and-trade, and now on immigration.

He’s an academic. He’s big on theory, implementation and real-world consequence, not so much. He doesn’t know anything about the practical aspects of plan development, but excels at celebrity at town hall or White House “summit” photo ops.

obladioblada on June 23, 2009 at 3:09 PM

There is still a huge magnet in the US, it’s called welfare, Medicaid and various other names.

hip shot on June 23, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Obama will meet with a bipartisan group of lawmakers Thursday to discuss the issue at the White House.

RINO alert.

chemman on June 23, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Border security can only be accomplished by a combination of technology, concrete walls, razor wire, border guards, AND machine gun towers a temporary work program to solve the labor problem.

FIFY.

Rebar on June 23, 2009 at 3:12 PM

How about an affirmative action for whites in low paying industries

PrezHussein on June 23, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Of course it’s moved off the table this year – they will use it 2010 to motivate the latino vote…..

jrlingreenbay on June 23, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Another temporary work visa won’t go over.

All those landscaping and construction companies will just love to provide medical insurance, 401ks and withhold SS for their currently paid-in-cash-under-the-table employees.

BowHuntingTexas on June 23, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Remember this story from his U of Chicago days with this all too relevant paragraph:

But his colleagues were sometimes frustrated that he wouldn’t take a stand, either in person or in print. One libertarian faculty member suggests that he never published because he didn’t want to put his name on a document that could later haunt him politically.

We see this going on today with not getting involved with the policy details.

WashJeff on June 23, 2009 at 3:13 PM

I’d heard yesterday, that in some Mexican cities, they want to become like the Netherlands. Legal drug use. I wonder if something like that, would play an integral part in immigration now? Would some of our citizens be dazzled to cross the southern border? Would some choose to stay in Mexico because of such “progression”?

capejasmine on June 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM

I’d heard yesterday, that in some Mexican cities, they want to become like the Netherlands. Legal drug use. I wonder if something like that, would play an integral part in immigration now? Would some of our citizens be dazzled to cross the southern border? Would some choose to stay in Mexico because of such “progression”?

capejasmine on June 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM

That would increase the conservative versus statists\liberal ratios.

Give us your poor, wasted, yearning to took.

WashJeff on June 23, 2009 at 3:18 PM

“…currently where we sit the math makes that real difficult,” said White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.

Currently, from where I sit, the White House has a real difficult time with math in general.

fiscallyconservative on June 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM

The Republicans should push for greater enforcement right now. However, this might happen naturally, as some states are being burden by illegal alien costs and must discontinue sevices. With revenues down something has to give, and it’s not going to more of my tax money.

Oil Can on June 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Immigration closing?
Not so much . we have open borders for Muslims.

seven on June 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Immigration on or off the table?
What does the polls say…

the_nile on June 23, 2009 at 3:08 PM

The polls say Americans won’t support another amnesty plan. Americans opposed it when the economy was doing well, and are even more opposed to it now that the economy is doing poorly. That’s why it won’t fly this year, or next.

AZCoyote on June 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Of course it’s moved off the table this year – they will use it 2010 to motivate the latino vote…..

jrlingreenbay on June 23, 2009 at 3:13 PM

No, they will put it off until after 2010. It will never pass in an election year. The Dems from swing districts won’t even want to touch it when they are facing reelection.

Mark1971 on June 23, 2009 at 3:22 PM

WashJeff on June 23, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Maybe he’s just lazy.

AZCoyote on June 23, 2009 at 3:23 PM

seven on June 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM

When is the Irani(sp) protester amnesty going to start? If the Revolution fails.

Oil Can on June 23, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Obama has developed a clear pattern of talking in generalities and then abandoning issues as soon as Congress begins to address them. He’s done it on Porkulus, health care, cap-and-trade, and now on immigration.

Hmmmm….in other words, acting like a ‘community organizer’. Hey, you liberal folks didn’t think you elected a real “leader”, did you? Barry’s got that ‘vision thing’ locked down. It’s those pesky details that keep getting in the way.

GarandFan on June 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM

mericans opposed it when the economy was doing well, and are even more opposed to it now that the economy is doing poorly. That’s why it won’t fly this year, or next.

AZCoyote on June 23, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Soon Obie will be asking Americans to gtee CA’s bonds, which will then be used to keep services provided to illegals. That alone kills amnesty. Add record unemployment, and it’s not even a first-term issue.

NOW is when the Rep’s need to pounce on the Hispanic vote and show how Obie was pandering to them and using them. Call on them to support tightly controlled inward borders in order to improve job numbers, and as only way to rise out of poverty.

JiangxiDad on June 23, 2009 at 3:28 PM

he seems to have a hard time with multi-tasking….where is an immigration czar wehn you need one??

cmsinaz on June 23, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Well, this idea has floated around for a few years in different forms. However, I’m not sure we have a “labor problem” any more.

You have expressed opposition to a temporary worker program before Ed, and I really think that you just haven’t studied it enough. These JOBS are temporary and seasonal jobs (the ones we used to have slaves do). Not the ‘non-farm payroll’ jobs. These are people that help plant and harvest when the season is right.

The ONLY solution is a temporary worker program. No citizenship. Study the one that Canada uses. It works VERY well. The only problem is that you have to actually ENFORCE existing law. If you find an illegal, you deport them. The temporary worker program gives farmers employees that they need, gives workers (who want to make money for their families) work and money, and it gives law enforcement a tool to enforce the law.

Temporary worker cards would let a cop say let me see your documents and you either show a driver’s license, a temporary worker card, or you get deported. Employers could say let me see your temporary worker card and if they don’t have one, they are deported.

Temporary worker cards are only good for a certain time period (6 or 9 months) then they have to go back to their country and get another one.

The temporary worker program is the only one that will allow the current system to continue functioning without bankrupting the country by giving illegals entitlement benefits that aren’t even guaranteed to current legal American citizens.

ThackerAgency on June 23, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Unemployment close to double digits.
We fought and won against amnesty in 2007 when we had a real president in the WH and the economy was booming.
He brings up amnesty now and there is going to be a riot.
I just hope when Mexico starts whining, someone tells them we can’t support their welfare rats and their baby making pez dispensers anymore and tells them to pack sand.

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Roll Call confirms that the White House will drop immigration this year

Mccain must be pissed.

BPD on June 23, 2009 at 3:35 PM

The only problem with amnesty is we can’t afford government entitlements to an additional 20 million people when the system is going bankrupt anyway. The temporary worker program gives them rights and protections under the law without forcing Americans to foot the bill for more entitlement programs.

I’d be all for granting citizenship and a right to vote if they couldn’t collect government benefits. But they already get in state tuition to most public universities. . . so the likelihood of citizenship without entitlements is ludicrous.

Bottom line, the Temporary worker program is the only solution to this (once they decide the law is for enforcing).

ThackerAgency on June 23, 2009 at 3:36 PM

It was pretty obvious all along that Obama wasn’t going to expend alot of political capital on immigration; he already has 90%+ of the Hispanic vote (Sí se puede!). Where are they going to go? Immigration is one of the very few policy areas where, rhetoric aside, Barry Hussein, simply by doing nothing, will actually do less damage than John McAmnesty, or George Bush, for that matter.

Travis Bickle on June 23, 2009 at 3:36 PM

cmsinaz on June 23, 2009 at 3:29 PM

You mean he doesnt have one…yet? heh

becki51758 on June 23, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Roll Call confirms that the White House will drop immigration this year

Mccain must be pissed.

BPD on June 23, 2009 at 3:35 PM

There is more than ONE piece of good news here. Suck on it, mccain. Go home to Phoenix and see what illegal immigration is doing to your constiuents.

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Well they could use ACORN to perform Red Card Checks to ensure people support Obama’s statist policies.

WashJeff on June 23, 2009 at 3:09 PM

For immigration they use El ACORNO

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM

he seems to have a hard time with multi-tasking….where is an immigration czar wehn you need one??

cmsinaz on June 23, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Immigration czar-Vicente Fox….

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 3:46 PM

ThackerAgency on June 23, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Very interesting book predicting future international trends says Mexico will rise significantly and US will be BEGGING for workers. The author has a chapter on all major parts of the world. Very provocative, worth a read.

JiangxiDad on June 23, 2009 at 3:47 PM

these idiots have too much on there plates already…

SHARPTOOTH on June 23, 2009 at 3:01 PM

I agree 100%. They bit off waaaay more than they can chew and are going to need to spit something out to get anything done. Although I like the idea of Obama gridlock. It’s puts off his socialist policies until we can get some checks and balances in place in Congress. If enough Americans pull their heads out of their asses and learn some basic governmental principles, that is.

Geronimo on June 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM

It always amazes me that a person’s solution to a problem is to pass another law, like the problem will simply go away. They are ignoring the problem. The problem is that we have an immigration system that the Executive Branch does not want to enforce and that the Legislative Branch (who passed the laws) publicly speak of as being unfair. How is passing a law to allow thousands upon thousands of people come into the country to work going to solve the problem that the federal government will not take its own laws seriously?

The manufacturers, processors, and construction companies that hire illegal aliens do not hire them b/c they cannot find anyone else, they hire them b/c they cannot find anyone else willing to take such low wages and work in such terrible conditions. Proposing something like Red Card gives credit to the myth that these employers cannot find workers. Furthermore, Red Card will not solve that problem. The companies will still hire illegal aliens because they will likely work cheaper than the Red Card workers. When it comes down to it, the scenario doesn’t change–what fixes the illegal immigration issue is taking the federal laws seriously that have been passed by Congress and signed by the President.

Conservative in NOVA on June 23, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Elect me..MY Illegal Alien program. Give them an hour head start and sell licenses to hunt them like deer.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Elect me..MY Illegal Alien program. Give them an hour head start and sell licenses to hunt them like deer.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM

I TRIED not to laugh, but, as DHS Secretary of HA Government-you also need alligators in the Rio Grande so they don’t come back.

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Elect me..MY Illegal Alien program. Give them an hour head start and sell licenses to hunt them like deer.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Seriously, what will your posting name be when you have to come back after AP or Ed ban you?

I don’t think you’re a troll, but you need to adjust your posts a bit.

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM

The ONLY solution is a temporary worker program. No citizenship. Study the one that Canada uses. It works VERY well. The only problem is that you have to actually ENFORCE existing law. If you find an illegal, you deport them. The temporary worker program gives farmers employees that they need, gives workers (who want to make money for their families) work and money, and it gives law enforcement a tool to enforce the law.

We already have that system, it is called the H-2A visa. It allows an unlimited number of seasonal workers to come to the United States for agriculture. A lot of employers won’t use it b/c they can get illegal aliens for cheaper.

Plus, the Red Card system has a major flaw that is not being addressed. It wants private contractors in foreign countries to do all of the necessary background checks for persons wanting to come to the United States. Fraud already runs rampant in our immigration system when the federal government does the background checks. What will happen with a company operating in a foreign country starts doing these checks? We tried having a private contractor do background checks for immigration applications before–it was Citizenship USA, and it resulted in background checks either not being done, or not being done properly.

Conservative in NOVA on June 23, 2009 at 4:07 PM

Seriously, what will your posting name be when you have to come back after AP or Ed ban you?

I don’t think you’re a troll, but you need to adjust your posts a bit.

Why, I beg your pardon. Please forgive me. I can’t believe how insensitive I’ve become to the plight of these illegal, but wonderful people, stealing, er I mean long term borrowing, our tax dollars.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Elect me..MY Illegal Alien program. Give them an hour head start and sell licenses to hunt them like deer.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM

I TRIED not to laugh, but, as DHS Secretary of HA Government-you also need alligators in the Rio Grande so they don’t come back.

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM

I’ll take that..LOL…under advisement.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Seriously, what will your posting name be when you have to come back after AP or Ed ban you?

I don’t think you’re a troll, but you need to adjust your posts a bit.

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Oh, lighten up.

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 4:11 PM

I didn’t know we got more obama brown shirts on here….be politically correct and don’t hurt anyone’s feelings, especially if they vote democratic.

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 4:12 PM

I didn’t know we got more obama brown shirts on here….be politically correct and don’t hurt anyone’s feelings, especially if they vote democratic.

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 4:12 PM

LOL…Ve haben sie our veys of making you be politically correct.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Why, I beg your pardon. Please forgive me. I can’t believe how insensitive I’ve become to the plight of these illegal, but wonderful people, stealing, er I mean long term borrowing, our tax dollars.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 4:08 PM

You and HornetSting, can kill the PC quips. I’m talking about your general “killing fields” mantra on several threads. It’s not really all that amusing.

I don’t find murdering Mexicans, Iranians, or anyone amusing. Yet you do.
I’m thinking one of us needs to get a grip. I’m thinking it’s you!

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 4:15 PM

You and HornetSting, can kill the PC quips. I’m talking about your general “killing fields” mantra on several threads. It’s not really all that amusing.

I don’t find murdering Mexicans, Iranians, or anyone amusing. Yet you do.
I’m thinking one of us needs to get a grip. I’m thinking it’s you!

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Well, I for one, really don’t give a damn what amuses you. Buzz off.

HornetSting on June 23, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Robert Gibbs reminds me of Porky Pig. Sounds like him too: “Uh, uh, uhhhh, uh, well, uh…that’s all folks!”

bradley11 on June 23, 2009 at 4:23 PM

How are they going to accomplish anything with The One constantly teeing it up on the links?

He brings new meaning to the humorous golfing phrase “spanking whitey” no?

DrW on June 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM

It’s not off the table here in NC! Come one, come all. The NC democrats welcome you with open borders!

SouthernGent on June 23, 2009 at 4:33 PM

When the Palenstinian/Hamas refugees get here, funemployment is going to get even worse.

txag92 on June 23, 2009 at 4:48 PM

You and HornetSting, can kill the PC quips. I’m talking about your general “killing fields” mantra on several threads. It’s not really all that amusing.

I don’t find murdering Mexicans, Iranians, or anyone amusing. Yet you do.
I’m thinking one of us needs to get a grip. I’m thinking it’s you!

Larry Farr on June 23, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Well thank you Larry.I always appreciate hearing someone elses opinion. In the future though, you might save yourself theheartbreak of something I say not meeting your high level of comedy, and just dispense with reading or commenting on anything I post. Thank you sir for your kind attention.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 4:51 PM

It’s not off the table here in NC! Come one, come all. The NC democrats welcome you with open borders!

SouthernGent on June 23, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Well you in NC are asking for it. Everyone has seen the;episode where Sheriff Andy let’s that British tourist work off his criminal damage at Andy’s house being a “Gentleman’s Gentleman”

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 5:06 PM

We can’t deal with immigration until we have some members of La Raza on the Supreme Court,to insure that we can sdapt the Contitution to refect our views.After the illealgals take over,then we will convert them to Islam,…..or not.

DDT on June 23, 2009 at 6:48 PM

I’m still waiting for the benefit of diversity to show itself in my neighborhood. Lots of different new people. More crimes than ever before.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Illegal Alien “Cattle Drives, South to the border.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Keep Movin’, Movin’ Movin’, Though They’re Disaprovin’

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 8:30 PM

I believe they’ve cut down dramatically the illegal alien problem in Korea. I million land mines tend to do that.Let’s try THAT.

Jeff from WI on June 23, 2009 at 10:33 PM