Obama’s economy?

posted at 12:14 pm on June 22, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama has managed to ride out his first five months in office by blaming his predecessor for the economic tribulations he “inherited”, but new polling shows that excuse running out of steam.  Although a majority still give George Bush more blame than Obama, those numbers have fallen quickly as Obama’s stimulus spending fails to stop runaway unemployment, according to Rasmussen:

While most U.S. voters still blame the Bush Administration for the nation’s economic problems, a growing number are inclined to blame President Barack Obama.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 39% of voters now say the country’s economic problems are caused more by the policies Obama has put in place. That’s a 12-point jump from a month ago.

Fifty-four percent (54%) still say the country’s economic woes are due to the recession Obama inherited from President Bush. That figure is down eight points from 62% from early June.

That’s a 20-point shift, a significant movement in just two weeks.  The biggest factor may be the unemployment report in early June that showed joblessness rising much faster than Obama’s team had predicted, even without a $787 billion stimulus bill.  If so, then we can expect a major shift when unemployment crosses the double-digit threshold, as even Obama predicts it will this year.  We can call that the expiration date for blaming Bush, and the moment when the economy becomes Obama’s fault, as his expensive and expansive policies fail to arrest the economic decline.

The crosstabs, as always, show some interesting motion.  Majorities of both whites and blacks blame Bush, but a majority of “Others” (primarily Asians and Hispanics) blame Obama, 54%-43%.  Independents split on the question, 48%-46%, leaning towards blaming Obama, a big problem if that moves towards a majority. Democrats and Republicans have predictable splits, as do conservatives and liberals, but the most interesting split comes in the Political Class demographics.  Without leaners, a plurality of self-described “mainstream” people blame Obama, while 100% of the self-professed political class blame Bush.

Nor does it look good for the future of Obama’s economic policy.  This question had less to do with the current crisis and more to do with Obama’s policies for reversing it.  A large majority believes they know better than Obama about economic issues, 60%-30%.  That holds true in almost every demographic category, with a few notable exceptions.  Blacks trust Obama more than themselves, 72%-21%, and liberals by 54%-30%, but Democrats can’t even get a majority for that position, 48%-37%.  Independents trust themselves more than Obama by a whopping 76%-19%, almost identical to Republicans.  A majority of higher-income workers (between $60-100K) blame Obama; the under-$20K demographic, which one could expect to be loyal to Obama, trust themselves more than Obama’s economic leadership, 49%-39%.

Obama only has a few weeks at most to keep using the “inherited from my predecessor” defense, if that.  The next joblessness report comes out in early July, and it will probably spell an end to that defense, as well as support for Obamanomics in general.

Update (AP): If it’s not Obama’s economy yet, it will be soon.

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Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Sweeeeet!

Brat on June 22, 2009 at 1:07 PM

izoneguy on June 22, 2009 at 1:04 PM

That is what I meant by the mousetrap. When she applies she’ll be denied, or her interest rate will be 22% and that car won’t get paid off until Captain Kirk is old enough to run for President. She just doesn’t care. All she knows is some politico said she gets $4,500 for free. Nothing else matters.

Limerick on June 22, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Following the current economic path we are on, no amount of artificial stimulous is going to help. We are headed straight down, full speed ahead. Double digit unemployment is just the start, the crime rate is going to mirror the unemployment rate and I am afraid our kids and grandkids for generations will suffer. There are not enough so called rich people to bring us out of this hole.

fourdeucer on June 22, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Actually, the economy is being dragged down by all the stimulus. Cut spending, flatten the tax rates, get rid of wage controls like unions and the minimum wage, and pull back on the government intervention in the economy, and it would shoot right back up (though there would likely be a short dip as the failed companies get sold off).

Count to 10 on June 22, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Obama and the spendocrat/Democrats own this economy. It is theirs alone.

Everyone was telling them to slow down, “read the stimulus” but he would not listen. Obama signed into law both the stimulus and the spending bills which were FULL of PORK/EARMARKS, yet he signed them anyway, and after campaigning 2 years against earmarks/pork.

TN Mom on June 22, 2009 at 1:09 PM

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), standing with members of her leadership team by Zandi’s side, said she agreed that another stimulus bill is being considered.

“We have to keep the door open,” Pelosi said. “The word of the day is confidence. Confidence in our markets, confidence in lending, confidence in our financial institutions.”

WTF??? The only thing Nancy has confidence in, is the federal government; otherwise she wouldn’t be proposing another big stimulus bill.

PackerBronco on June 22, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Limerick on June 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM

At $8 an hour, working 30 hours a week, it’s going to take her an awfully long time to pay off the thousands she’ll owe on a new car (even at 0% financing, and even with a $4,500 discount courtesy of the taxpayers).

But I guess doing the math is just too hard, right? I wonder how long it’ll take before she’s whining about the fact that she can’t afford her car payments, and claiming she was “tricked” into signing up for a new car by an unscrupulous car salesman (just like all those poor folks who were “tricked” into signing up for mortgages they couldn’t afford by unscrupulous bankers).

AZCoyote on June 22, 2009 at 1:11 PM

THIS is very interesting. If indies is where elections are won and lost, 2010 should be a gain for the Repubs.

portlandon on June 22, 2009 at 12:21 PM

See:

lorien1973 on June 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM

We can only hope Steele and the establishment, money Republicans get their act together. At this point, it’s going to be all grass-roots.

conservative pilgrim on June 22, 2009 at 1:13 PM

What an awesome logic dreamworld it must be where W is suddenly absolved of all responsibility for everything he did, as if there was some kind of responsibility expiration date. Obama most certainly is responsible for the mess now, but he’s not responsible for starting it.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:16 PM

The shameless partisans on the left will continue to blame Bush, and the shameless partisans on the right will lay all the blame at Obama’s feet. The sensible among us blame Bush for starting it, and Obama for making it worse.

hicsuget on June 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM

What an awesome logic dreamworld it must be where W is suddenly absolved of all responsibility for everything he did, as if there was some kind of responsibility expiration date. Obama most certainly is responsible for the mess now, but he’s not responsible for starting it.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:16 PM

By last March, we were done with the downturn that naturally came from Democrat policies under the Bush administration. Now we are bogged down in the Democrat policies of the Obama administration.

Count to 10 on June 22, 2009 at 1:19 PM

End CAFE standards, freeze government spending except the military, exploit the God given resources we have been blessed with in this country, impose a flat tax across the board above the poverty rate, encourage the growth of families as opposed to promoting abortion. Lock down the borders and stop with benefits to illegal aliens. Eliminate the small business and corporate taxes,(they are passed on to the consumer anyhow)eliminate redundant government entities, and reduce regulations on private LLC,s and sole proprieterships. Just a start.

fourdeucer on June 22, 2009 at 1:20 PM

The shameless partisans on the left will continue to blame Bush, and the shameless partisans on the right will lay all the blame at Obama’s feet. The sensible among us blame Bush for starting it, and Obama for making it worse.

hicsuget on June 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Well, if not Bush directly, then at least Pualson. Still, we know where the buck is supposed to stop.

Count to 10 on June 22, 2009 at 1:20 PM

By last March, we were done with the downturn that naturally came from Democrat policies under the Bush administration. Now we are bogged down in the Democrat policies of the Obama administration.

Count to 10 on June 22, 2009 at 1:19 PM
——-
Geniuses like you don’t hold W responsible for jack sh1t. Typical. Why don’t you go have a confrenece about it at a conferenece centre. You could call it the “W Not Responsible for Anything Conferenece”. Maybe you could be a conferenece delegate.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Obama most certainly is responsible for the mess now

That is not Obama’s position. He says it’s all Bush’s fault.

Missy on June 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM

fourdeucer on June 22, 2009 at 1:20 PM

I think you could get more mileage out of a pure flat tax with no deductions or exemptions, but yes.

Count to 10 on June 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM

We can only hope Steele and the establishment, money Republicans get their act together. At this point, it’s going to be all grass-roots.

conservative pilgrim on June 22, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Motivation will be the factor. If the Repubs can get off their clueless butts and campaign this should be a sweep. Convincing the people that they will do better than dems is a hard push but CAN be done. The Obamacrats are destroying the Democrat party. The smell of Rebellion is in the wind.

portlandon on June 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM

All Obama has done is extend in greater proportion Bush’s failed policies. Mind you these are policies lead by Democrats controlling the House and Senate. Since 2006 when they took over spending has gone thru the roof. Get the numbers. Bush was took weak to veto them and Obama just adds more to their numbers.
BTW – How’s Obama’s war going? Heard about that lately either? Using Liberal logic, Obama a killed some mother’s and babies in Afghanistan the other day too, as he fails to any new direction on the war on terror besides letting more enemies back to the front the line.
So much spin going on…

indyrowe on June 22, 2009 at 1:23 PM

The shameless partisans on the left will continue to blame Bush, and the shameless partisans on the right will lay all the blame at Obama’s feet. The sensible among us blame Bush for starting it, and Obama for making it worse.
hicsuget on June 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM

In other words: Liberalism was responsible for starting the problem, and liberalism was responsible for making it worse.

This “hypocrisy” will confuse the Hell out of some people. That’s why we will have to hammer it home a hundred times a day from now until forever.

logis on June 22, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Ah, yes…Obama is President but none of this is his fault…hey, that stimulus that busted the treasury for generations is doing wonders, eh? Not that you care, at least you have a Conservative PM who actually knows how to count.

AUINSC on June 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Geniuses like you don’t hold W responsible for jack sh1t. Typical. Why don’t you go have a confrenece about it at a conferenece centre. You could call it the “W Not Responsible for Anything Conferenece”. Maybe you could be a conferenece delegate.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM

TARP was clearly Paulson’s baby. I blame Bush for letting him lead, but it is clear that Bush was trusting Paulson on it. Actually, we can probably blame Bush on a lot of things for his failure to lead on anything except Iraq in his second term.

Count to 10 on June 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM

If Barry stimulates the economy in the woods, and there’s no job growth, will the MSM make a sound?

Loxodonta on June 22, 2009 at 12:21 PM

You owe me a new keyboard. Hilarious!

jennifernaz on June 22, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Who’s economy? Far as I’m concerned, it became Barry’s when he raised his right hand. It was cemented when he signed the pork bill that was going to ‘cure’ the economy. Barry doesn’t know shit about economics, but plenty about payoffs.

GarandFan on June 22, 2009 at 1:26 PM

The sensible among us blame Bush for starting it, and Obama for making it worse.
hicsuget on June 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM

And so the Democrat-controlled Senate and House bears no responsibility Mr. Sensible? Barney Frank and Chris Dodd bear no responsibility Mr. Sensible? The Greens who block all attempts at developing domestic oil reserves bear no responsibility Mr. Sensible?

PackerBronco on June 22, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Ah, yes…Obama is President but none of this is his fault…hey, that stimulus that busted the treasury for generations is doing wonders, eh? Not that you care, at least you have a Conservative PM who actually knows how to count.

AUINSC on June 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM
—-
Dear Captain Genius:

You cannot read. That is too bad. Obama IS responsible for everything right now. He is not responsible for the f*ck ups of the W administration that gave birth to the current situation. Time will tell if his policies will fix those fu*k ups or make them worse. You don’t have a shred of objectivity but that is to be expected from a partisan hack.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Geniuses like you don’t hold W responsible for jack sh1t. Typical.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM

And geniuses like you never confront the fact that when Bambi blames Bush for the budget deficit, he’s talking about budgets that his party wrote and he voted for. Take that plank out of your own eye first.

PackerBronco on June 22, 2009 at 1:29 PM

The President is not golfing and goofing off! He is testing the new GM POTUS SUV that will be rumbling off the assembly line in Detroit that will save our economy!

kh6zv9 on June 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM

You are certainly dropping a lot of pr*fanity today. Feeling irritable?

Count to 10 on June 22, 2009 at 1:33 PM

You don’t have a shred of objectivity but that is to be expected from a partisan hack.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM

It’s fun watching you come here and melt down.

AUINSC on June 22, 2009 at 1:33 PM

As I said months ago, give it time. People want to be patient and give Obama a chance, but the rapid rise in job losses since his inauguration has the public scared.

The prospect of double digit unemployment is having a major psychological effect on folks(including me) and they won’t be interested in hearing excuses from Barry about what he inherited. Especially when his b-tching and moaning is juxtaposed with photo ops of him on date nights with the wife, trips to the ice cream parlor with the kids, and golfing with the VP.

Should the GOP be more vocal in their opposition? Maybe. I think remaining silent is a good strategy though. Let Obama and the Dems dig their own grave. As long as Republicans protest these disasterous policies with their vote, they’ll have a solid record to run on in the midterms and 2012.

Doughboy on June 22, 2009 at 1:34 PM

The Obama Depression

FontanaConservative on June 22, 2009 at 1:34 PM

The shameless partisans on the left will continue to blame Bush, and the shameless partisans on the right will lay all the blame at Obama’s feet. The sensible among us blame Bush for starting it, and Obama for making it worse.

hicsuget on June 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM

+100

The fire started on Bush’s watch, but Obama squirted lighter fluid on it while pointing a finger at Bush.

The next election’s talking points:

Point 1:

1.) Obama demanded – screamed at the top of his lungs – we must pass this stimulus now or we all gonna DIE!!!!!!
2.) He promised to post it for days before signing it.
3.) He didn’t post it, and didn’t sign it for days, even though we are all gonna die!!!!!
4.) No one read it.
5.) Now they admit they guessed wrong. Whoops.

Point 2:

1.) We must bail out the car companies or we’re all gonna die!!!!!
2.) Americans said ‘hell no!’.
3.) He did it anyway.
4.) Said car companies now bankrupt, money is gone, Obama has insiders on board of GM and Contract Law is lit on fire and tossed in a wastebasket as UAW jumps in line.

Point 3:

1.) In time of record unemployment, massive deficits and a troubled economy, Obama, in his infinite wisdom, put forth the most massive budget he could come up with, spending away not just the next generation’s money but probably the generation after that.
2.) If you were in debt for $100K would you fix that by spending 1 million more? No, you’d be crazy to do so, so does Obama need mental health care?

Point 4:

The list goes on and on…

Thunderstorm129 on June 22, 2009 at 1:35 PM

He is not responsible for the f*ck ups of the W administration that gave birth to the current situation.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Would you mind elaborating on thse f*ck ups? What, specifically, did W do to give birth to the current situation? I agree that virtually everything that happened in 2008 was a clusterF. But that isn’t what gave birth to the current situation, that just made it worse, same as what the O is doing… but what did Bush do that GAVE BIRTH to the current situation? Specifics, please.

BPD on June 22, 2009 at 1:36 PM

You don’t have a shred of objectivity but that is to be expected from a partisan hack.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM

LOL
Rough day for ol’ Dave, Barry’s taking a hit on front pages everywhere.

Missy on June 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM

You cannot read. That is too bad. Obama IS responsible for everything right now. He is not responsible for the f*ck ups of the W administration that gave birth to the current situation. Time will tell if his policies will fix those fu*k ups or make them worse. You don’t have a shred of objectivity but that is to be expected from a partisan hack.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Those “f ups” like…the Republicans telling Barney frank that Fannie mae and Freddie Mac are in serious trouble and Barney laughing it off? Stuff like that?

Thunderstorm129 on June 22, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Obama IS responsible for everything right now. He is not responsible for the f*ck ups of the W administration that gave birth to the current situation. Time will tell if his policies will fix those fu*k ups or make them worse.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM

W did TARP, which Obama VOTED TO PASS. So they both gave (some) birth to this situation. If you trace it back to its real origins, you’ll find that the problems were caused by Democrat programs (with the help of ACORN) to force banks to give bad loans.

Regardless, Obama is [deliberately] making the economy much worse. He’ll eventually have to take the blame for that, but I would rather see it fixed than have the satisfaction of saying I told you so about Obama.

Daggett on June 22, 2009 at 1:39 PM

watch out!! troll spittle is flying / can’t you just FEEL the tolerant empathy??

Ris4victory on June 22, 2009 at 1:39 PM

The shameless partisans on the left will continue to blame Bush, and the shameless partisans on the right will lay all the blame at Obama’s feet. The sensible among us blame Bush for starting it, and Obama for making it worse.

hicsuget on June 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Uhmmm no. The sensible blame Barney Frank and Chriss Dodd for forcing banks at virtual gunpoint to lend money to people who could never afford to pay loans back in order to buy houses. That is the crux of this whole depression.

Obama could have let it correct itself and only suffer a severe recession. Instead he doubled down and made the problem twice as bad.

But nice trolling.

angryed on June 22, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Point 4:

The list goes on and on…

Thunderstorm129 on June 22, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Point 5:
If the economy is still in the crapper come November of 2010, every single Dem running for re-election is going have to answer for every single cent of money wasted on pork in the Porkulus bill. It will not be pretty. The Republicans have enough ammo from all of the pet projects dumped into that bill to fill up the rounds from a thousand machine guns.

PackerBronco on June 22, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Don’t you guys get it?

It’s Bush’s fault for letting the Democrats destroy the economy.

Democrats = Perpetual Victims

cntrlfrk on June 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM

He’ll eventually have to take the blame for that, but I would rather see it fixed than have the satisfaction of saying I told you so about Obama.

Daggett on June 22, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Since Barry has never accepted responsibility for anything in his life, I doubt he’ll accept responsiblity for the failure of his policies.

PackerBronco on June 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM

cntrlfrk on June 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Bush, the evil genius who orchestrated 9/11 and Katrina, also orchestrated the 2006 Dem sweep so that he could then force is agenda on the poor unsuspecting Nancy P and Harry H, all in an attempt to undermine Obama, which he also knew, back in 2006 would become president.

Not bad for a dumb guy from Texas who can’t pronounce NUCULAR eh?

angryed on June 22, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Ris4victory on June 22, 2009 at 1:39 PM

funny how they claim that they are the party of tolerance and diversity…….

cmsinaz on June 22, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Actually these two geniuses are out looking for the real murderer of Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman.

TrickyDick on June 22, 2009 at 1:50 PM

funny how they claim that they are the party of tolerance and diversity…….

cmsinaz on June 22, 2009 at 1:49 PM

They’re tolerant of all the diverse people who believe in the same liberal ideology.

Daggett on June 22, 2009 at 1:51 PM

What an awesome logic dreamworld it must be where W is suddenly absolved of all responsibility for everything he did, as if there was some kind of responsibility expiration date.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:16 PM

LOL! Brilliant “logic” there, Sheetrock. Old Man Sedgewick couldn’t have said it any better.

Bush was blamed by your side for 9/11, even though he “inherited” those attacks from Clinton. The attacks were in fact supposed to happen before Clinton left office. There’s an expiration date for you.

Bush was also blamed by your side for claiming that al Qaeda and Iraq were working together. But Bill Clinton’s Justice Dept. claimed the exact same thing in their 1998 indictment of bin Laden. Yet that indictment suddenly had an expiration date when it became time for your side to go after Bush on that same claim.

Likewise, you mental giants blamed Bush for claiming that Iraq had WMDs. Of course, nearly every single Democrat, including the 2000 and 2004 Presidential “candidates”, said the exact same thing in 1998. There’s another expiration date for you.

You getalifes have no problem with expiration dates when it’s protecting your side from criticism, but then immediately apply a double standard to your opponents. That’s why your side is so dangerous for America (and your country as well).

Tell Uncle Red I said hi, by the way.

Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2009 at 1:52 PM

“Independents trust themselves more than Obama by a whopping 76%-19%, almost identical to Republicans.”

This is the kind of statistic I have been noticing.

People are leaving the GOP because they are libertarian or conservative on economic and federal spending/tax issues, not because the GOPO is too conservative.

If an when the GOP goes fiscal/economic/liberty on these issues, the Independents will vote GOP.

Gov. Palin is positioned well to inherit these voters. There is much overlap with these Indies and many in the Tea Party Movement.

She is a western libertarian/conservative on economic and states’ rights.

The USA is STILL a center/right nation.

Sapwolf on June 22, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Not bad for a dumb guy from Texas who can’t pronounce NUCULAR eh?

angryed on June 22, 2009 at 1:47 PM

That’s the exact same way Jimmy Carter pronounces it, and he was a protege of the father of the nuclear sub, Hyman Rickover.

That’s why Jimmuh gets a pass for pronouncing it that way. Oh, and the fact that he’s got a big fat “D” after his name too.

Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Gov. Palin is positioned well to inherit these voters. There is much overlap with these Indies and many in the Tea Party Movement.

She is a western libertarian/conservative on economic and states’ rights.

Sapwolf on June 22, 2009 at 1:53 PM

I agree 110%. But she needs to find away to convey this message to the general population… some how. I don’t know how, but I know it needs to happen. People who follow Gov. Palin and politics in general, know her record and her beliefs. But that is not good enough.

BPD on June 22, 2009 at 1:56 PM

I’d like to go golfing too. Mr. President, could you spare a tee time at Ft Belvoir for me?

unclesmrgol on June 22, 2009 at 1:57 PM

While most U.S. voters left-wing ideologues still blame the Bush Administration

FIFY

Richard Romano on June 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM

On one hand, it sucks that the economy is going to be a disaster for a few years and I will probably lose my job at some point.

On the other hand, it is good for each generation to get a good dose of liberal economics to tarnish the “liberal” brand name all over again.

It took a Carter to get a Reagan.

BPD on June 22, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Exactly…that’s why having a potted plant as POTUS would have been better for the economy than having Obama.

AUINSC on June 22, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Biden: “I resent resemble that.”

LibTired on June 22, 2009 at 2:04 PM

It took Carter to get a Reagan.

Who will that Reagan be?

No more McCains!

Mojave Mark on June 22, 2009 at 2:06 PM

i’m in NYC, i had 2 hardcore libs admit they regret voting Obama.

moonbatkiller on June 22, 2009 at 2:10 PM

7/04 – local T.E.A. parties
9/11 – 9/12 -march on Capitol in DC

The immoral libtards and their judgmental holier-than-thou crap. I am SICK of the perverts telling me how to live. DON’T TREAD on ME you sanctimonious victims, all wanting hand-outs and something for nothing. Earn your own way; pay your own dues, take responsibility for your own actions and quit worrying about my actions. The over reach by ogabe and his corrupt ilk is doing something very, very good – it is PISSING OFF the good, regular folks, like me; the ones who toil at the same crappy job for 19 years, pay taxes, earn their keep and allow their children to LIVE even when inconvenient for, say, about 18 years. The backlash will be both wicked, lasting and delicious.

Ris4victory on June 22, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Sarah is the next Reagan. Heck, I’ve heard her quote him a number of times.

Sapwolf on June 22, 2009 at 2:11 PM

7/04 – local T.E.A. parties
9/11 – 9/12 -march on Capitol in DC

Ris4victory on June 22, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Off topic here, but are the upcoming tea parties on the 3rd or 4th of July? I’m hearing the one in Houston was changed to Friday the 3rd in case people go out of town over the weekend and can’t make it.

Doughboy on June 22, 2009 at 2:13 PM

watch out!! troll spittle is flying / can’t you just FEEL the tolerant empathy??
Ris4victory on June 22, 2009 at 1:39 PM

If it’s this bad now imagine what it will be like next year, or the year after.

I’ve already heard libtards trying to blame Reagan for the upcoming economic collapse. By this time next year, they’ll be spreading the blame all the way back to Calvin Coolidge.

logis on June 22, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Democrats and the mediawhined about Bush and the “jobless Recovery” Lets call Obama’s the Job Loss Recovery.

rob verdi on June 22, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Look over here:
The number of people receiving unemployment aid fell by 148,000 to 6.69 million in the week that ended June 6 – the largest drop in more than seven years.

(Just don’t look over here:
Still, nearly 2.4 million people are receiving unemployment compensation under an emergency program authorized by Congress last summer and extended by the Obama administration’s stimulus package. That program provides an additional 20 to 33 weeks of benefits beyond the standard 26 weeks of benefits.)

VibrioCocci on June 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM

By the way, this is why running trillions and trillions in deficits is bad for the economy:

http://market-ticker.org/archives/1148-Liquidity-Disappearing.html

BPD on June 22, 2009 at 2:24 PM

You cannot read. That is too bad. Obama IS responsible for everything right now. He is not responsible for the f*ck ups of the W administration that gave birth to the current situation. Time will tell if his policies will fix those fu*k ups or make them worse. You don’t have a shred of objectivity but that is to be expected from a partisan hack.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM

10 trillion dollars in new debt?

YES YOU CAN, RYWALL.

Chuck Schick on June 22, 2009 at 2:31 PM

The shameless partisans on the left will continue to blame Bush, and the shameless partisans on the right will lay all the blame at Obama’s feet. The sensible among us blame Bush for starting it, and Obama for making it worse.

hicsuget on June 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM

I understand blaming Bush for not jumping on it faster, etc. But honestly, how did he actually cause it? If any one person could be blamed for this mess it would be the Fed Chief far and beyond Bush. Money was way too cheap for way too long.

Chuck Schick on June 22, 2009 at 2:34 PM

You cannot read. That is too bad. Obama IS responsible for everything right now. He is not responsible for the f*ck ups of the W administration that gave birth to the current situation. Time will tell if his policies will fix those fu*k ups or make them worse. You don’t have a shred of objectivity but that is to be expected from a partisan hack.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Sounds like someone peed in your custard cone this morning.

LibTired on June 22, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Please, please, PLEASE don’t tell Obama what comes after a trillion.

silenced majority on June 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Please, please, PLEASE don’t tell Obama what comes after a trillion.
silenced majority on June 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM

+100000

pambi on June 22, 2009 at 2:46 PM

By the way, this is why running trillions and trillions in deficits is bad for the economy:

http://market-ticker.org/archives/1148-Liquidity-Disappearing.html

BPD on June 22, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Sorry folks, but those “green shoots” are in fact marijuana plants and our President along with his economic advisers have been smoking ‘em.

Well, either that, or they’ve been making ‘special’ ice cream.

Count to 10 on June 22, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Please, please, PLEASE don’t tell Obama what comes after a trillion.

silenced majority on June 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Quadrillion is what, only 100 fold inflation way?

Count to 10 on June 22, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Geniuses like you don’t hold W responsible for jack sh1t. Typical. Why don’t you go have a confrenece about it at a conferenece centre. You could call it the “W Not Responsible for Anything Conferenece”. Maybe you could be a conferenece delegate.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Aren’t you Canadian, and if so….why does any of this apply to you at all?

As for geniuses, I noticed you don’t hold Dodd, Schumer, Franks et al responsible. Do your research, then come back and tell us what’s what. Go back to FDR. Then Carter, then Clinton, then Obama. I blame Bush for TARP, but not for all that Obama has done. Bush held the country together, after an attack. Unemployment didn’t soar. He held it together. Can Obama claim that kind of moxy? Nope!

capejasmine on June 22, 2009 at 2:51 PM

BREAKING: Over the weekend Obama saved or created another 350,000 jobs.

That is all.

Cicero43 on June 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Has anyone bothered to remind people that the Dems took over Congress and immediately things went south for the economy? According to President George Bush, his administration tried to reel in some of the spending going on and get some control over lending practices.

Obama inherited his own party running both houses, and now we have no hope to turn this mess around. The Americans have elected a group of leaders that think somehow after communism has failed miserably worldwide, they can do communism better.

Hening on June 22, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Geniuses like you don’t hold W responsible for jack sh1t. Typical. Why don’t you go have a confrenece about it at a conferenece centre. You could call it the “W Not Responsible for Anything Conferenece”. Maybe you could be a conferenece delegate.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Bush Derangement Syndrome. He’s gone, but the hatred lives on.

Hening on June 22, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Dave is melting. Every step of this administration is another failure.

It has just got to be killin him (despite being north of the border).

Sapwolf on June 22, 2009 at 3:22 PM

To: Dave Rywall

Just keep repeating….

Obama is NOT the messiah. Obama Never was the Messiah. Obama never will be the Messiah.

If you can get that to sink in, it makes life so much easier, and common sense prevails. :)

capejasmine on June 22, 2009 at 3:50 PM

You don’t have a shred of objectivity but that is to be expected from a partisan hack.

Dave Rywall on June 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Well, you’ve certainly shown yourself to be an expert on the subjects of lacking objectivity and being a partisan hack. Are these your vocation, avocation, or both?

Unfortunately, your very expertise hurts your credibility.

malclave on June 22, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Has anyone bothered to remind people that the Dems took over Congress and immediately things went south for the economy?

Correct – they had a large majority after the 2006 elections! Their policy esp. regarding the sub-prime mortgages led to the current economic woes. But if you want to lay blame for the economy on presidents then I would agree it started under Bush but Obama is making it so much worse with his out of control spending and soon to come tax hikes.

MidWestFarmer on June 22, 2009 at 3:59 PM

<blockquoteBREAKING: Over the weekend Obama saved or created another 350,000 jobs.

That is all.

Cicero43 on June 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM

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He saves, he creates…sounds like a Messiah to me.

NellE on June 22, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Barney Frank: “Hey, I got a good idea. Lets relax lending standards at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac again…”

Caper29 on June 22, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Barney Frank: “Hey, I got a good idea. Lets relax lending standards at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac again…”

Caper29 on June 22, 2009 at 4:47 PM

But Barney is a Democrat, and everyone knows, it’s NEVER a Democrats fault. It’s ALL Bush’s fault….all the time. In 50 years, Democrats will still be blaming Bush!

capejasmine on June 22, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Barney Frank: “Hey, I got a good idea. Lets relax lending standards at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac again…”

Caper29 on June 22, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Actually, Bawney is only asking them to relax standards on condos, and mainly new condos.

But he’s still wrong. The new standards he is trying to get changed will IMHO reduce Fannie/Freddie’s losses on new condo projects, too many of which were started in just the past few years and have many units sitting empty and unsold. This might be a good move a few years down the road, but not now. There’s too much unsold condo inventory out there, and Frank’s proposal will just make things worse.

Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM

When has Bawney ever been right – he is a class A fool.

dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 5:33 PM

No worries. The economy will still pull out of its swoon by election time next year. Then he will own the comeback. Trust me he ain’t sweatin.

Terry Silver on June 22, 2009 at 5:45 PM

No worries. The economy will still pull out of its swoon by election time next year. Then he will own the comeback. Trust me he ain’t sweatin.

Terry Silver on June 22, 2009 at 5:45 PM

With analysis like that..who could possibly argue with you.

AUINSC on June 22, 2009 at 5:50 PM

I wish an economic journalist/columnist would juxtapose Obama’s “inherited” economic crisis from Pres. Bush to Pres. Bush’s “inherited” economic crisis from Pres. Clinton. Can anyone say ENRON? It would be interesting to run the numbers, economic policies, and time frame of these two economic calamities. Won’t happen. No one in the media wants to tell the Truth about Econ 101.

Sultry Beauty on June 22, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Terry Silver on June 22, 2009 at 5:45 PM

You’re entitled to your wishful thinking.

gsherin on June 22, 2009 at 6:08 PM

I don’t think the economy will make the kind of comeback needed to save Obama. Any comeback it does make will be dependent on huge deficits and that in and of itself will pose problems for Obama. Sooner or later people will get nervous about all that debt.

People can say they blame Bush, but for most of Bush’s tenure the economy did pretty well. People remember that. They also know that Bush himself would have been expected to fix things pronto. They would not have given him more than a year..so it might be that they won’t give Obama all that much time either.

Terrye on June 22, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Terry:

I think he is sweating, and he would be a fool not to.

Terrye on June 22, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Obama to release “Stimulus Job counting” numbers

But for months, there has been confusion over what the rules would be. What’s a created job? A saved job? Could a construction worker be counted twice if he worked two part-time contracts? On highway jobs, do you count just the laborers, or also the extra wait staff at the nearby lunch spot?

Under the rules released Monday, the White House told governors, mayors and contractors to keep it simple.

“Just count the people being paid out of Recovery Act dollars,” said Rob Nabors, deputy director at the White House budget office.

To avoid double-counting, a job means a full-time, full-year job. So a student working a 9-to-5 job for his three-month summer vacation will be counted as one-fourth of a job. The part-time teacher who works all year is half a job. And the full-time highway contractor who works all year is one job.

William Amos on June 22, 2009 at 6:17 PM

William Amos on June 22, 2009 at 6:17 PM

All that PR bullshit will not save him as unemployment skyrockets over 10%. That no-higher-than-8% chart should be used to hang his ass til the day he leaves.

gsherin on June 22, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Please, please, PLEASE don’t tell Obama what comes after a trillion.

silenced majority on June 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM

The way I heard it, right after Barry was sworn in, Rahm came running into the Oval Ofice shouting, “Mr. President, there have been two Brazilion soldiers lost on U.N. peace keeping missions.” Barry groaned, laid his head down on his desk, peered up and asked, “How much is a Brazilion?”

a capella on June 22, 2009 at 6:24 PM

It’s going to hurt for the next couple years but 2010 and 2012 are going to be bloodbaths which was about the only silver lining I knew would come from Obama and the Dems winning this past election. Their absolute faith in themselves and their doomed from the start policies over the reality we all saw coming will wreck them… or at least it should as this country taught me how foolish it can be this past election so…..

Yakko77 on June 22, 2009 at 6:28 PM

The shameless partisans on the left will continue to blame Bush, and the shameless partisans on the right will lay all the blame at Obama’s feet. The sensible among us blame Bush for starting it, and Obama for making it worse.

hicsuget on June 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM

The difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush would act if convinced it was necessary, but only as a one-time act, and no more than absolutely necessary. When done, we would still have a free enterprise economy.

Obama on the other hand has used the opportunity to seize partial ownership and/or regulatory control, and to make sure to pay off his political supporters, the unions. Bush would never have cut bondholders of GM or Chrysler debt off so he could give a bigger reward to the unions. Neither would he have fired the head of GM, nor demagogued about AIG bonuses.

It’s true that Bush started it, but there’s a world of difference between how Bush would handle this situation, and how Obama is handling it.

tom on June 22, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Numbers on Welfare See Sharp Increase

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562449457235503.html

Wow, that Obama economy is steaming along! This WAS part of the “stimulus” package.

For real! States are rewarded for expanding welfare.

Obama’s taking care of his banker pals…

Goldman to make record bonus payout

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/21/goldman-sachs-bonus-payments

I bet it’s part of the stimulus package. Another stimulus package and this country will collapse.

drjohn on June 22, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Jimmy Carter was a piker! Hope we can take 3 more years of this turd.

ronsfi on June 22, 2009 at 6:47 PM

We can call that the expiration date for blaming Bush, and the moment when the economy becomes Obama’s fault, as his expensive and expansive policies fail to arrest the economic decline.

Arrest the economic decline?

Obama strapped JATO packs to the declining economy and lit them off! strait into the ground!

Does anyone HONESTLY believe Obama’s “Stim” bill was meant to stimulate the economy?

DSchoen on June 22, 2009 at 6:50 PM

The shameless partisans on the left will continue to blame Bush, and the shameless partisans on the right will lay all the blame at Obama’s feet. The sensible among us blame Bush for starting it, and Obama for making it worse.

hicsuget on June 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM

The current budget deficit under Obama (WITHOUT cap-and-trade or socialized medicine) is four times as high as Bush’s worst budget deficit. So the budget deficit is 3/4 Obama’s fault, 1/4 Bush’s fault.

As for the banking crisis, Republicans (led by Senator McCain) in 2005 tried to re-regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to prevent them from lending to insolvent borrowers, but were filibustered by Democrats in the Senate, including Obama. Republicans tried to fix the problem four years ago, Democrats prevented them. So whom should we blame?

Steve Z on June 22, 2009 at 6:53 PM

“Just count the people being paid out of Recovery Act dollars,” said Rob Nabors, deputy director at the White House budget office.

So if somebody leaves a private-sector job to take a higher-paying Recovery Act job on the taxpayer’s “dime”, how many jobs were saved? One, according to Nabors, zero in reality.

Steve Z on June 22, 2009 at 6:58 PM

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