Dionne: Incoherence works
posted at 10:55 am on June 22, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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E.J. Dionne tries to issue an apologia for Barack Obama’s lack of engagement during the Iranian crisis, as well as an explanation as to how the President allowed the US to fall behind France and Germany in speaking out for freedom and liberty. Unfortunately, it falters in its own incoherence. Even Dionne recognizes that the crackdown in Iran has made diplomacy with the mullahs a dead letter, which should have been apparent even before this crisis arose.
First, Dionne says this:
Before the election, he had set the United States on a path to negotiation with Iran’s government — the very government whose legitimacy was crumbling over the weekend as it cracked down hard on the opposition. As a foreign policy realist, Obama knew that at the end of the current struggle, the United States would still have to deal with Iran on the issue of its nuclear program and other matters related to our “long-term interests.”
And then:
If the Iranian regime simply suppresses its political adversaries, it will be impossible anytime soon to resume diplomacy as if nothing had happened. And even if the present government survives in the short term, we now know that its hold on power is shaky. There is more opposition in Iran than we — and probably Iranians themselves — knew existed, and thus more opportunity for change.
At least Dionne has the sense to realize that direct talks are politically dead after this week. The White House didn’t, as the Washington Post reported yesterday, which I characterized as “stupid,” touching off a series of responses in the blogosphere and on Twitter. Will the same people call Dionne out for making the same point?
And more to my point, Dionne admits that the level of opposition to the Iranian regime has caught most of what he calls the “realists” on the Left by surprise, apparently including the White House. Why are they surprised? The Iranian regime has been unpopular for years at home, especially with a younger population who have no personal experience of a pre-Khomeini Iran. Instead of cutting deals with the aging oppressors, we should be looking for ways to engage with the upcoming generation of Iranians.
Moreover, Dionne also agrees that the mullahcracy will be “shaky,” even if it survives this crisis, which is not inevitable. Should the US act to prop them up by giving them more credibility than their own people?
But the main basis for my criticism is the idea at the White House that we can trade our support for freedom and liberty for a seat at the mullahs’ table in any circumstance. Consider the following:
- Ronald Reagan sold Iran missiles and unfroze part of their money. Iran continued to support terrorists and wage low-level war against the US.
- Bill Clinton apologized for the CIA role in the mid-1950s coup that put the Shah back on the throne. Iran continued to support terrorists and wage low-level war against the US.
- From 2003 to the present day, Iran supplies terrorists in Iraq with munitions that kill American soldiers, and at least occasionally supplies the personnel as well. Shouldn’t Iran be forced to stop doing that, rather than having the White House suck up to the mullahs, in order to get direct talks?
The idea that keeping quiet while Iranian protestors try to free their nation will convince Khamenei to not only sit down with us openly but give up the nuclear weapons they have spent years developing is beyond naive, especially considering the history of the regime. It crosses over into stupidity. It comes from a mindset that the problem in the relationship is America and not the extremist mullahs ruling Iran, an argument that the Iranians themselves rejected this week in protests across their nation.
France and Germany, which trade with Iran, haven’t been foolish enough to surrender their right to express outrage at the mullahs and support for the protestors. If Obama did the same, it wouldn’t kill the possibility of disarmament through direct talks, because that possibility never existed at all. Instead, we would give encouragement to the people of Iran to keep working for freedom, which is much less of a long shot than Obama talking Khamenei out of his nuclear weapons. (via Jim Geraghty)
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is beyond naive, especially considering the history of the regime. It crosses over into stupidity.
Naive and stupid? President Ogabe or the people who support him? Come on.
Bishop on June 22, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Lapdog.
DrSteve on June 22, 2009 at 11:01 AM
In the immortal words of The Black Adder…”Oh, God…(/sarc)”
For pete’s sake, Obama’s an empty suit on foreign policy. If Georgia didn’t demonstrate that, this does.
In fact, Obama’s foreign policy can basically be summed up as him giving speeches in foreign countries, apologizing (not an apologia, btw), and receiving adulation from fawning noobs and the mSM (same thing, I know)…then getting pwnd by politicians that actually know wtf they are talking about.”
bluelightbrigade on June 22, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Both of course!
brtex on June 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM
“Whatever Works” by Woody Allen starring Barack Hussain Obama.
moonbatkiller on June 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Putz.
myrenovations on June 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Let’s us not forget. He’s got Joe!!!
HoustonRight on June 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM
NOT.READY.TO.LEAD.
SouthernGent on June 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM
So this is the test that Biden was talking about. So far, BO massive fail.
d1carter on June 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM
One one, cold logical hand, I do somewhat understand the Adminstration’s stance, because no matter who rises from the ashes, we will have to deal with them, be it the moolahs or a new regime after they are removed.
On the other, there are lines and standards that a peace-loving, free society cannot allow to be crossed in any circumstances even though it may be a given persons deep-rooted traditional belief. For example, “honor killings” in the muslim society.
There comes a point where one can NOT stand idly by and let the chips fall. Eventually, sides must be chosen. Condemnation of certain acts, such as firing grenades into civilian crowds, should happen. Support, either directly or indirectly, should happen on the side of people wanting freedom. Even if that’s as simple and effectively useless as a “Go get ‘em, guys!”
It doesn’t really surprise me that Obam’ter is so “smart” he wants to avoid any binding comments. What really makes me sick is supposedly smart people in the media and elsewhere that want to apologize and justify our President’s sad lack of conviction and leadership.
JamesLee on June 22, 2009 at 11:05 AM
If Obama even thinks about talking with the murderous regime in Iran then that will be the end of Obama. Obama is naive first in espousing his direct talks with no pre-conditions rhetoric. 2nd – Obama appears weaker by the day and North Korea will be pushing it hard & fast.
Maybe the best thing Obama could do is just go eat ice cream & play golf so the adults can make the tough decisions. (And I am not talking about Hillary)
izoneguy on June 22, 2009 at 11:05 AM
oboobi does not care.. he just want’s to appease his liberal base.everything he does or does not do is all smoke and mirrors, when everything crumbles around him he’ll try to find a way to blame dub ya..
SHARPTOOTH on June 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM
I miss Bush…at least when it comes to the “Axis of Evil” stuff.
The guy was, if fact, dead on there.
Obama doesn’t have a moral compass, and he doesn’t understand America as an American (only as a “world citizen”…whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean…). He may hold the office, but he is not a leader…and he;s not my leader.
If I were to run with the Messiah theme on Obamah, this would be his ecce homo moment.
bluelightbrigade on June 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Those who try and be all things to all people end up being nothing.
HoustonRight on June 22, 2009 at 11:07 AM
This is Obama’s Hard-Headed Diplomacy at work here.
Sir Napsalot on June 22, 2009 at 11:07 AM
lol, ya
A least Joe was prescient enough to know there are som ebad guys out there. lol
JB is a useful idiot, but at least he’s useful. lol
bluelightbrigade on June 22, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Well said Ed! This is a nightmare Iran policy within a dangerously inept and naive foreign policy. Keep the heat on or they won’t change it or pay a political price for pursuing it.
elduende on June 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Odds are that the mullahs will be in control of the nuclear program for the next 5 years. Perhaps, there is an opportunity to exploit their current weakness in negotiations.
Aiding the political opposition with cash, technology and information seems like the best way to advance their cause and continue to ratchet up pressure on the mullahs.
Nokia and Siemens should hold back on any hotfixes and be encouraged to leak any known exploits for their equipment.
dedalus on June 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Israel’s top leaders voice support for Iran demonstrators
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-israel-iran22-2009jun22,0,1848962.story?track=rss
“It is a regime whose real nature has been unmasked, and it’s been unmasked by incredible acts of courage by Iran’s citizens,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “They go into the streets and face bullets. . . . Something very deep, very fundamental is going on. There’s an expression of a deep desire amid the people of Iran for freedom.”
Speaking to a gathering of world Jewish leaders, Israeli President Shimon Peres suggested that the street protests pose a threat to Iran’s suspected pursuit of nuclear weapons and to the regime.
“I don’t know what will disappear first — their enriched uranium or their poor government,” he declared. “Hopefully, the poor government will disappear.”
izoneguy on June 22, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Doesn’t this whole Iran crackdown show the bankruptcy of the Left’s talking point that “if the Iraqis really didn’t like Saddam, they would have overthrown him themselves”? Iran is less of a dictatorship than Iraq was and they can’t even get rid of Dinner Jacket and the mullahs.
Speedwagon82 on June 22, 2009 at 11:09 AM
This guy is the biggest panty-waisted appeaser EVAH! We look like total losers with the Empty-Suit-in-Chief. He may be able to lead a group of community agitators, but his buck stops there. His inexperience and naivete are on dispolay for the entire world to see. All you losers who voted for this imposter – how’s all this workin’ out for ya? This crumb destroys our culture and way of life, spends OUR money without regard, wrecks our economy, weakens our defense and emboldens our enemies. What “oath of office” did he take?
HomeoftheBrave on June 22, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Obama is a dirtbag and a mental midget.
VDH nailed him yesterday IMO
jp on June 22, 2009 at 11:10 AM
How would it look to the world if Obama supported liberty and freedom in Iran while he is trying to undermine and remove it here in the USA? It would make him look like a hypocrite.
mechkiller_k on June 22, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Stupid doesn’t begin to cover this; dangerous is more apt. Nero fiddled; Obama played 18 holes – same difference.
College Prof on June 22, 2009 at 11:11 AM
As a two-headed chicken farmer, Obama crew . . .
As a fat-free bacon butty, Obama blew . . .
As a gumbo-filled financial pipe-bomb, Obama stew . . .
fronclynne on June 22, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Hey, don’t forget Obama’s invitation to the foreign ministry of Iran to attend the upcoming G-8 conferences. Now, what’s he going to do? Rookie with a bad attitude. Ryan Leaf, anyone?
a capella on June 22, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Ah yes, his 147 days in the senate and six months as POTUS have forged his foreign policy experience in the crucible of realism.
Akzed on June 22, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Wouldn’t a sincere oath require believing in God?
HoustonRight on June 22, 2009 at 11:13 AM
It’s pretty obvious now that being the “anti-Bush” is the most important thing to these people. “Engaging Iran” was a great campaign soundbite that made Obama look realistic and reasonable compared to the “belligerence” of Bush/Cheney. As they have already abandoned almost every other promise they made during the campaign and are starting to get called on it even by their media guard dogs, they are loath to abandon this one,. As long as they have useful idiots like E.J. Dionne and Trudy Rubin rationalizing whatever they do, they on’t change course.
Once again, events overtake a new Democrat Administration and it is floundering. When will America finally learn??
rockmom on June 22, 2009 at 11:13 AM
I am not in favor of the US role in interfering in other states. I dislike the role O played in telling Israel what to do. I disliked past involvement.
We don’t have to continue policies that are detrimental. The few outstanding times when we’ve helped are far outweighed by the problems we’ve created with our “help.”
So I have no problem with verbal support only. This is Iran’s internal problem, not ours.
AnninCA on June 22, 2009 at 11:13 AM
He is a Hypocrite(the one)
easyone on June 22, 2009 at 11:16 AM
There is no way that Obama can have political dialogue with Iran now. I think he handled the situation as well as he could have. . . but he can’t possibly believe that there is any chance of political negotiations with them now. They are hardly a country at this point. There is the government, and then there is the people. Siding with the government after this crackdown is exponentially worse than siding with the protesters. Negotiating with them would be siding with them.
ThackerAgency on June 22, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Sure, Ann…you just keep believing that.
Your argument is a strongman, b/c it assumes that we’ve nothing at stake, which is false. We have much to gain/lose here.
Ever see those photos of Iraqis w/ purple fingers?
Just ask one of them how they feel about the US meddling.
bluelightbrigade on June 22, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Those 4th of July parties at the embassies are going to be awkward.
trubble on June 22, 2009 at 11:18 AM
didn’t bambi invite Achmedinejad to the US for the 4th of July? they can watch NoK bomb Hawaii together.
kelley in virginia on June 22, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Not too worried about a nuclear Iran, huh?
a capella on June 22, 2009 at 11:19 AM
He calls Obama a “foreign policy REALIST”!
Obama and his administration has misread every international event that has occurred! Just look at North Korea, Georgia, this uprising in Iran, being a propaganda prop for Venezuela and Nicaragua, etc. This politician is a coward in the face of real power, a bully where he has the press and bloggers and his minions to do his bidding for him, and an epic fail showing himself to be such every passing day.
enoughalready on June 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM
It’s funny to see Obama’s media apologists, like Dionne and Excitable Andy, twist themselves in contortions to defend their hero.
evergreen on June 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I don’t believe what has happen in Iran nor anything that could happen in Iran would keep the president from negotiating with the government there. And I don’t think the negotiations will be for the end of Iran’s nuclear program, he has said that it is a done deal. So after giving that mile, he wants them to commit to no weapons. That isn’t going to happen.
Cindy Munford on June 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I thought that the administration released a writen statement only. The Pres. did not have the stone to even read it ti the media.
mechkiller_k on June 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Or how about asking a South Korean.
Or a Polish Jew.
Or a Colombian.
Or A Filipino.
Getting the picture?
We honestly don’t have a choice. That’s the point. We ARE the de facto authority here.
I recommend that before you ever make another comment on HA that you read Mark Steyn’s “America Alone”
bluelightbrigade on June 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM
So, does he rescind his invitation for them to attend the G-8 conferences?
a capella on June 22, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Its too bad that its taking riots in Iran and people dying over there for some people to wake up and see the big failings of The 0. But, then again there are those that are not so blind as those who will not see and those that are not so deaf as those who will not listen.
cjs1943 on June 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM
You need to go back and at least read a little history. I know they don’t teach anything vaguely resembling U.S. history in CA, but at least get your facts straight….. Your comments are embarrassing because they are so flawed…without even sourcing a specific text, I recommend a few small things…. the liberation of Europe 1944, the liberation of Kuwait 1991, Kosovo, the Balkans, millions in Afghanistan, and millions in Iraq. Our help has freed millions from tyranny… you just choose the wrong side because of how you are wired…. wrong.
HomeoftheBrave on June 22, 2009 at 11:24 AM
DICKWAD
Americannodash on June 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Barack Obama is never going to issue a statement or give a speech that speaks boldly and unequivocally about the inalienable right to liberty, about the power of people to stand up to a government that reaches too far, about freedom itself. And I think we all know why. Remember, this is a president who despises all the so-called “negative rights” in the U.S. Constitution. He believes the Constitution needs to be “updated” to more fully enumerate government’s power over the individual. His interest is in the rights of government, while those who espouse freedom’s principles speak of the rights to be free from government. Obama is simply philosophically predisposed to support the state in all matters of freedom’s march.
Rational Thought on June 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM
The problem is not that speaking out against what is going on will make Iran hate us as more it’s about the fact that there is a culture that the west/united states is evil and is used as a scapegoat for A LOT of problems. I happen to agree with minimizing involvement due to the fact that this will only lead credence and encourage the state of Iran to lie to the public about the west trying to create instability.
What will speaking out do outside of being a symbolic gesture? What real tactical advantage will be gained. The consequences of inserting the west into the issue seems much more than the postive gain of a symbolic points.
Norvell on June 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM
No matter the outcome in Iran’s election struggle, we would have to deal with Iran’s government. Obama’s inaction, therefore is based on the idea that the forces killing demonstrators was going to win. In other words he bet against the people out there protesting repression. That is a cowardly retreat unworthy of the leader of this nation.
What I find more interesting is that this is really the first test at unscripted foreign affairs by this administration. This is real-life geopolitics instead of photo-ops in the White House Blue Room with some foreign head of state. I give Obama an F- for his first attempt at international relations since he took that course in college.
highhopes on June 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM
The crazy, scary people want to use nukes to wipe Israel off the map. I think the fact that with CrazyHolocaustDenierDinnerJacket in charge a nuclear war in the Mideast is possible should make everyone fearful.
Illinidiva on June 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM
I find it interesting that there are many women involved in the demonstratons in Iran, (perhaps I missed it) but where is the support from women in the U.S.?
Women’s groups, Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, Oprah,…have they followed B. Obama’s lead and gone AWOL on this subject?
albill on June 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM
LOL!!
sammypants on June 22, 2009 at 11:29 AM
There are many places where we haven’t stepped in. There is correlation between our liberation efforts and our national interests.
In Iran we have to balance the ultimate goal, which is regime change with the need to contain Iran’s nuclear program which is a national security threat to us and our allies.
dedalus on June 22, 2009 at 11:29 AM
This is just the first of what will be countless puff pieces validating Obama’s clueless approach to millions of people in the streets of our/the world’s number one terror state.
All of which will be based on the nuance of not interfering. Not saying something IS interfering. I have a feeling that the rumors of Obama’s team communicating with Iran before Obama got elected are true. I think we have a dog in this fight. Lugar’s asinine comment yesterday was the tipping point for me.
patrick neid on June 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM
RIGHT NOW is the time to strike the NUKE U LAR facilities. Too emasculate the mullahs in front of the people they are trying to impress will give courage to the masses.
CMonster on June 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Lew Rockwell had one of the most bizzare and Looney Toon takes of the Pro-Obama stance that Ron Paul represents in Congress:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/027877.html
Can you say crazy?
jp on June 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Is there a possibility that Obama’s doing something behind the scenes? I mean, he can’t be that stupid, that coward and that COLD. It’s like watching the embodiment of the Scarecrow, the Tin Man and the Lion. Someone, please, give POTUS the Red Shoes… no, I don’t think the red shoes would lead him to the wizard, I just think they’d look well on POTUS (that’s Pantywaist of the United State).
Michelle Dubois on June 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM
He wants to sell out Israel to them in person.
rockmom on June 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM
There are some concrete steps that the admin. can take to crack down on Iran, and I’d be interested in knowing what they’re doing behind the scenes.
For instance, are we encouraging the embassies to take in wounded protestors or is the EU taking the lead on that? Are we encouraging the EU and our other allies to pull diplomatic recognition/ recall their ambassadors if the regime continues the crackdown? Are we talking to our contacts in Iraq and Afghanistan about Iran steps? Will we push for EU sanctions against the regime and financial and travel restrictions against Iran’s leaders (i.e. No more anti-Semite fests abroad for Dinner Jacket)? Will the U.S. prevent American companies like GE from doing business through subsidiaries?
Illinidiva on June 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM
The main problem with EJ’s defence of the administration is that he assumes their (in)action is deliberate and calculated. The evidence for that is thin indeed. Rather, I see an administration that is unable (possibly unwilling) to get out in front of events in Iran because they don’t have any policy goals other than engaging the mullahs.
landshark on June 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Yes he can be that stupid!
cmsinaz on June 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM
The only thing going on behind the scenes is the sycophants in the White House congratulating Obam for his “measured, restrained response that has avoided an escalation of tensions.” The reaction has been very deliberate. This is not an accident nor is it stupid, if you come from their POV.
rockmom on June 22, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Obama can’t change his lame message because no one’s uploaded a new script on TOTUS.
moonsbreath on June 22, 2009 at 11:38 AM
+1
cmsinaz on June 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM
I think Lindsay Grahmnesty is a woos but I like what he said this weekend about Obambi. Obama is supposed to lead the free world not follow it. …
ctmom on June 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Dems excel at infanticide, raising taxes, destroying our armed forces and supporting sexual abuse. Promoting freedom, liberty and justice is above their pat scale.
Hening on June 22, 2009 at 11:41 AM
“pay scale” ….sorry
Hening on June 22, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Silly person! “The Free World” is sooooo 20th Century! We’re in the Age of Obama now. All nations are equal, except the USA is bad and must be punished.
rockmom on June 22, 2009 at 11:43 AM
“A proven non-leader.”
Count to 10 on June 22, 2009 at 11:43 AM
I saw him on “This Week With Curious George” yesterday, was sort of surprised to see it appears he might have actually grown a pair.
JamesLee on June 22, 2009 at 11:43 AM
What I find more interesting is that this is really the first test at unscripted foreign affairs by this administration. This is real-life geopolitics instead of photo-ops in the White House Blue Room with some foreign head of state. I give Obama an F- for his first attempt at international relations since he took that course in college.
highhopes on June 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Can’t agree with you more. He has no ability to act extemporaneously, I would like to know who is pulling his strings
fourdeucer on June 22, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Let’s see…No(their taking the lead), doubtful, no, and “GE’ are you kidding me?
Think that covers it.
HoustonRight on June 22, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Dear E.J. Dionne: We’re not all suckers like you are.
Loxodonta on June 22, 2009 at 11:46 AM
I kinda enjoy observing these boobs twisting themselves into knots trying to explain their guy’s incompetence. They are taking “nuance” to a whole new level.
rockhead on June 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Humpty-dumpty sat on a fence…
Obama’s incremental responses to the increasing violence in Iran show a naivety we haven’t seen since Carter bungled his foreign policy so many years ago. (How fitting, by the way, Obama’s inexperience and his weak cabinet are exposed by the same country that became Carter’s thorn.)
What Obama doesn’t get (and I doubt he ever will) is that as leader of the free world, you have to make a choice. And that choice should always be a representation of what this country was founded on. Period. Not what you personally think or what your group of back-room advisers think. Read the Constitution, read the Bill of Rights, read the history of this Country’s founding father and make a decision that THEY would approve of.
We’ve got a president who’s governing by polls, constantly campaigning and utterly ham-stringed by his fear of making a decision that will hurt him politically. Obama’s first major foreign policy test is an utter failure and should be noted as such in the history books.
Thunderstorm129 on June 22, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Anyone that was paying attention knew it!
But it seems as if Obama and his advisers were clueless last week.
blink on June 22, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Exactly. What other nations and a large number of American voters see as timidity, vascilliation, and tenativeness, the media is trying to paint as cool, rational appraisal. The frightening part is that he may try to erase the tentative image and overcompensate with some ungodly aggressive act somewhere. It’s all about PR and that’s a dangerous thing.
a capella on June 22, 2009 at 11:51 AM
The US should be covertly aiding with the operation of proxy servers to help the opposition get its message out. Good overview here.
dedalus on June 22, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Wait… weren’t we supposed to be having these people over ofr hot dogs on the 4th? What are we going to do now?
red131 on June 22, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Will somebody please pass to Michelle Obama that since her husband has been in office I do indeed understand how it feels to be ashamed of your country.
rplat on June 22, 2009 at 11:53 AM
That WAS one thing that one should have admired in George W Bush, whether you agreed with him or not: He took a stand, stood by it, and followed through in most cases. Damn the polls, to hell with public opinion, and screw what critics fussed about, he knew what he believed and carried it out.
JamesLee on June 22, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Yes I know, but I was just pointing out that if the admin. wanted to play hardball, it definitely could.
Illinidiva on June 22, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Hopefully there will be a speech and plenty of television coverage.
Cindy Munford on June 22, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Look, Ed, you and a lot of other folks don’t seem to get it, so I will explain it to you. Liberals refuse to acknowledge any FACT or DATA that contradicts their weird and rosy little view of the world.
This is a phenomena I refer to as “Militant Ignorance”. It’s a “don’t confuse me with the facts, I’ve made up my mind” mentality. The libtard builds up walls of unreality, myth, halucination and delirium to preserve their view of things, yet somehow manage to insist they are open minded.
Which bears repeating the best post I’ve read so far; “You can lead a liberal to facts, but you cannot make them think.”
dogsoldier on June 22, 2009 at 11:57 AM
You are correct. Reagan was the best at it. But, first you most have courage, conviction, principals and experience. Unfortunately we have a POTUS devoid of all of these.
HoustonRight on June 22, 2009 at 12:01 PM
President Skateboard has just given the world a gift. For eight long years all we have heard is how eeeeeevil America was for going into Iraq. We are just medalling, imperialist with repressive colonialism on our minds. In one election, the world is going to reap the wild wind which is a world without America propping it up.
Yeah, the Iranians and the mad mullahs have always bitten the hand that tried to feed it, but it is America styled freedom they cry for in the night, and in the streets of Iranian cities. Those hand mad signs with “We want democracy” printed on them, in clear English I might add, is vastly different from what I saw in 1979. Ed is right on whatever government might emerge, we need to support the desire for honest elections, with the dash of hope for a better Iranian future sprinkled in for flavor.
What I find truly reprehensible is the overlooking of Syrian, and possibly Venezuelan Hamas and Hezbollah members being imported by the mullahs. President Ice Cream, by overlooking this move of the mullahs is a signaling to the world he will not stand against terrorism, or terrorist of any stripe. Big duh right? Maybe not for those I have seen in our country protesting in favor of the Iranian rebellion. Perhaps, just perhaps some who once supported President Golf might be having a come to sanity moment, and finally believe those on our side who said this guy they call “God”, he might be just an average everyday foreign policy idiot.
freeus on June 22, 2009 at 12:05 PM
The media is in a complete dither about the public’s belated perception that Obama is more willing to appease America’s critics (Chavez, Castro, Khomenei, et al) to prove his belief that his smooth nuance can calm all troubled waters than to be vocally vorciferous in defending America’s values of freedom and liberty. The whole world knows that the current Iranian regime is using America as a ‘foil’ for repression yet Obama gets it exactly backwards that by defending freedom and liberty we would become the ‘foil’ of that regime. Greatfully, his poll numbers are tanking and will tank at an even faster rate after now that the public is becoming disgusted with his timidity.
Bob in VA on June 22, 2009 at 12:05 PM
;)
Texas Gal on June 22, 2009 at 12:11 PM
There are ways to do this without crossing the line he seems so fearful of. I hope at least he has considered some of these things or that he is doing them behind the scenes but I doubt it.
Miss Molly on June 22, 2009 at 12:16 PM
I keep asking myself….
Is Obama’s weak response to this, a sign? That he sees himself supporting the Mullahs more? Does he have designs on dictatorship here? This wouldn’t shock me. If you read Ayres Prarie Fire, or Alinksy, etc… I think there’s a tinge of truth in this, if not more.
I also keep wondering, as we all know….diplomacy now, is all but dead, but does Obama truly realize this? I don’t think so. I think he’ll continue on his stupidity tour, and trudge forward, into dipolomatic relations with the regime, just as soon as things “settle” down.
capejasmine on June 22, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Obama hasn’t the interest in Creating or Saving lives yet, he is busy Creating and Saving jobs.
fourdeucer on June 22, 2009 at 12:18 PM
“My culture is based on freedom and self-determination!”
“Freedom is irrelevant. Self-determination is irrelevant. You must comply.”
“We would rather die.”
playblu on June 22, 2009 at 12:18 PM
“Stupid” works for me, Ed. From what I see of the polls on the matter, most Americans agree. Obama’s losing serious cred on this one.
petefrt on June 22, 2009 at 12:23 PM
I’m one of those that has waited many years beginning in 1979 for chance to see postive change in Iran. For the last 30 years, I have watched the Iranian regime torment the west by indirectly funding terrorism around the world and covert war recently in Iraq versus the USA. I remember watching the nightly news with comtempt in 79, while Carter dithered and embarrassed himself and us during the hostage crisis.
I willingly admit that I believed the war in Iraq was as much about Iran as Saddamm, surrounding Iran with fledgling democracy was the ultimate plan and end game, hoping the Iranian people would take matters in their own hands and overthrown the Islamofundies in Iran. That opportunity is upon the world stage as I type this.
All this time waiting and hoping and it’s here, now. And who do we have at the top of the US to lead the change? Jimmy Carter V.2.0, Barack Hussein Obama.
I makes me want to puke.
booter on June 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM
I’m not surprised that the ‘realists’ on the Left were surprised, they really don’t have any compassion at all for the plight of oppressed people around the world .. unless of course it’s the Black Caucus and African countries. Even in America they are just election night fodder.
Pitiful though how they were so quick to criticize Bush for not being able to predict the insurgency in Iraq.
But what disturbs me is that Obama’s WH and Hillary’s State were not prepared with a Plan B option, as if they were not monitoring what was happening. I clearly remember hearing on the news reports that Khamanei had made a public statement while the election was going on to the effect that some should be prepared for disappointment because the fervor pitch had built expectations that would not be realized when the election results were announced. This caught my ear because it sounded so strange. I now think the Khamanei realized by the results that were coming in that he had completely underestimated the voter turnout not just in numbers but in candidate support. Surely Obama and Hillary knew this too if it was on TV!
It scares me that they did not understand this. The Democrats, and especially Hillary, tried to fend this off by saying that it was difficult to get correct intel out of Iran. That maybe the case, but there was clearly indications the election wasn’t going the way Khamanei wanted. Only the most naive would believe he would accept that, just as only the most naive believed Iran holds free and fair elections.
It also scares me that Obama, as you say Ed, thought his silence would keep his plans on track to negotiate nuclear weapon aspiration out of Khamanei. Was he not able to extrapolate the outcome and the change, or did he but determined it had no impact on his plans. It’s clear that American foreign policy is now determined by Obama’s narcissism that his has persuasive powers over America’s enemies and I can hear them salivating.
Texas Gal on June 22, 2009 at 12:46 PM
“A lie isn’t a lie, if you believe it”-George Costanza
As for EJ Dionne, all you need to know is that he “wrote” for the NY Fishwrap before he wrote for the Washington Compost.
Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2009 at 12:51 PM
I just want to say me too.
And I have to wonder just how much this plays into Obama’s reaction because he doesn’t want to admit that Bush was right and a great deal of what is happening in Iran was motivated by Iranians looking across their border at a truly democratic process of a government elected by the people. It’s a “if Iraqis can have it, why can’t we” moment and Obama can not allow himself to acknowledge it.
Texas Gal on June 22, 2009 at 12:53 PM
I think it’s a mistake for the GOP to attack the president on this issue. Most people are probably more like me. I tend to be agree with conservatives on some issues, not on others.
It’s ridiculous to go much further than he already has gone.
AnninCA on June 22, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Apparently, we all could use a bit of real history, at least according to a fantastic book I’m now reading, “Lies Your Teachers Told You.”
It’s a critique of history textbooks in the US.
Check it out. Fascinating.
AnninCA on June 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM
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