The NYT/CBS poll is junk – and bad news for Obamacare
posted at 5:10 pm on June 21, 2009 by Karl
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This is what propaganda looks like:
Americans overwhelmingly support substantial changes to the health care system and are strongly behind [72%] one of the most contentious proposals Congress is considering, a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.
Bruce Kesler points out that — in traditional NYT/CBS fashion — the sample is badly skewed:
According to the actual poll data, of the 73% of respondents who said they voted in 2008 only 34% voted for McCain and 66% for Obama. The actual vote was 48% McCain.
This is a good example of why reading a poll is as much art as science, because the first problem is the percentage who say they voted in the 2008 election. In reality, no more than 62% of eligible voters cast ballots last year. Accordingly, the poll has sampled a lot of adults who were ineligible to vote… or, as often happens, respondents lied about voting. In such cases, the lie tends to skew in favor of the winner.
Does that mean the sample might be more valid than Kesler suggests? Not in this case. In this poll, the sample identified as 27% liberal, 37% moderate, and 29% conservative. In contrast, last week’s Gallup Poll showed Americans identify as 21% liberal, 35% moderate, and 40% conservative.
But wait… there’s more. The same NYT/CBS poll previously published more information about this very sample, showing that 16% was temporarily out of work, and another 10% was not in the market for work. Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg tells us that those who have been unemployed within the past year (or have an immediate family member in that category) are the most supportive of a government takeover of the US healthcare system. So a sample with much higher unemployment than the national average tells us something about the skew here also.
While the NYT trumpets the supposed support for a public plan among its skewed sample (which was not asked about support in the event they were to be dumped into the public plan by their employers), the rest of the results are bad news for Obamacare. The number who say the system needs fundamental change is almost exactly what it was in 1993-94. The number who trust the president to make the right decisions on healthcare policy is almost exactly what it was in 1993 — the number who trust Congress has actually declined. Both are below 40% in trust.
The number who would be willing to pay higher taxes to fund Obamacare (57%) is lower than in 1993. Of those willing to pay higher taxes, only 43% would be willing to pay as much as $500 a year more in taxes. That means fewer than 25% of a sample largely skewed towards liberals are willing to pay an amount far less than what Obamacare may actually require.
In short, the skewed NYT/CBS poll is no better for the Democrats than any of the other recent polls. In some ways, it is worse.
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This is why the left screams “Diebolds”. They actually believe the lies the MSM feeds them about how close elections are when they arent.
William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Nationalized healthcare is poison. Any person in Washington that goes for it has a huge political target on their back. NO WAY. You think the streets in Iran are dangerous, just wait if they try this healthcare thing here. Hell to pay.
suzyk on June 21, 2009 at 6:15 PM
At some point the deception and lies have to become criminal. When will the press be held accountable? Will they EVER?
cannonball on June 21, 2009 at 6:16 PM
of course conservatives ignore every poll that doesn’t benefit them. This reminds me of the 2008 election. every time there’s a new poll out, hot air nutjobs disagreed because it had Obama ahead by 5 or more points
equality on June 21, 2009 at 6:17 PM
At some point the deception and lies have to become criminal. When will the press be held accountable? Will they EVER?
cannonball on June 21, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Never and no.
txag92 on June 21, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Isn’t ACORN to solution to this problem?
AUINSC on June 21, 2009 at 6:17 PM
In the latest poll,taken by Moonbats for Moonbats,
they concur,that Obama will remove US Military from
all hotspots,when he does!(Sarc).
canopfor on June 21, 2009 at 6:19 PM
The more unemployment rises, the more people are going to want free health care. The status-quo needs to change. Republicans cannot win this debate because the status-quo is currently unacceptable
equality on June 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM
i just read a book about john wayne. he complained about the liberal press in the late 60s & 70s.
so its been an evolving process.
kelley in virginia on June 21, 2009 at 6:21 PM
This “poll” had a weighted sample that had 14% more Democrats than Republicans. That’s twice what that gap should be.
BTW NYT “Editor” Bill Keller was on ABC’s O’bama Love-Fest this morning, and claimed with a straight face that his paper wasn’t in the tank.
Del Dolemonte on June 21, 2009 at 6:21 PM
I was not one of those who dismissed those polls. You, on the other hand, ought to look at all of the other polls I cited in the main post, including Rasmussen, Pew, Democracy Corps, etc. You seem like the one bent on ignoring the mountain of data on this issue.
Moreover, even taking this poll at face value still tells us that only 39% trust Obama to make good healthcare policy. So own it.
Karl on June 21, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Legislators voting for it are, as with most legislation, heavily invested through their anonymous overseas bank accounts. Think I’m conspiracy-minded? The someone explain where the 3 TRILLION US DOLLARS deposited in such accounts come from? Mob connections cannot account for such vast sums!
stonemeister on June 21, 2009 at 6:23 PM
There’s a big difference between ‘ignoring’ a poll and analyzing its obvious biases. I think the word is ‘discrediting’.
salmonczar on June 21, 2009 at 6:23 PM
DUH!
So many people think any criticism of the Obama plan a mis-characterization. The SRM (State Run Media) is feeding this to people that don’t think.
Kini on June 21, 2009 at 6:24 PM
In reality, this poll, like all the others, shows that people are happier with their healthcare situation than in 1993. But Greenberg and the Dems generally are welcoming the climbing unemployment as a way to build support for their boondoggle. Maybe some people hope that everyone suffers more to advance their political agenda, but it’s not a good look to the public.
Karl on June 21, 2009 at 6:24 PM
That is one scary thought that never occurred to me. I had to think about it, but it does make some sense.
JakeRightThought on June 21, 2009 at 6:25 PM
The NYT/CBS poll is junk
Every one of their polls should start with this headline.
TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Not
Yet
Time to
Concede
Barack’s
Stupidity
itsnotaboutme on June 21, 2009 at 6:29 PM
The more unemployment rises, the more people are going to want free health care.
Which means less people to tax to pay for it, which means higher taxes on those still working AND their employers, which means more employers downsizing or not hiring which means more people unemployed which means less people to tax to pay for it….wait….did that really just come full circle?
You can lead a liberal to knowledge but you can’t make them think.
Bishop on June 21, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Thank you, Karl. That was a very well done dissection of Obamaganda.
Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 6:30 PM
Just try to imagine a union run health care system. Fixed wages, lines of demarcation, grievances among each other, holidays and weekends off, strikes, lower standards of care,
shop chairmen, commiteemen, and a whole new industry of trial lawyers.
fourdeucer on June 21, 2009 at 6:33 PM
The NYT/CBS poll is dishonest propaganda, or at best an outlier. Show me one other poll that shows the majority of Americans are unhappy with their health care insurance provider, or want to pay more taxes, or want the government to have more control over their lives.
Better yet, if Obama-care adds 4 trillion dollars over 10 years to our debt as some project, that will cost the taxpayer over $2 million dollars an hour more just to service that debt. Show me a poll that indicates most Americans are okay with that.
DarkKnight3565 on June 21, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Just a reminder to anyone espousing “free health care”. NOTHING is free.
texabama on June 21, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Obama’s poll numbers are far more unsustainable than his spending.
A President simply cannot remain more popular than the popularity (or unpopularity in this case) of WHAT HE IS ACTUALLY DOING.
Indeed, I already think that Obama and the Democrats have shot themselves for 2010 and 2012, and the polls will not be allowed to show it. I wish the GOP would jump on him more.
This is, of course, assuming that our elections will remain more honest than those of Iran, considering the billions scheduled to be sent to ACORN, which is a serial voter fraud organizer.
wildcat84 on June 21, 2009 at 6:38 PM
it was a very lame attempt by state run media to prop up the health care effort. an Iranian election has more credability than a NYT/CBS poll.
exceller on June 21, 2009 at 6:38 PM
fourdeucer on June 21, 2009 at 6:33 PM
As well as geniuses such as “equality” being hired to work somewhere in the new healthcare system. He’s a perfect tool to order around, someone who doesn’t have a clue as to how things work but will blindly accept every order he’s given.
The nation is being enslaved by the dumbest members of our society.
Bishop on June 21, 2009 at 6:39 PM
The more unemployment rises, the more people are going to want free health care.
Or, maybe, as they see more of Barry’s bungling of the economy that leads them to become unemployed, the less likely they are to swallow his promises on healthcare.
snickelfritz on June 21, 2009 at 6:39 PM
These polls are a joke! No,
That’s more like it…
Look at this, folks. From the related CBS story via Hotair headlines:
Now, how does anyone really know where to begin to evaluate the health care of a person whom one never met and of whose health care details one has scant an idea?
The fact is these opinion polls are meant to move public perceptions and not to reflect them.
My take away was based on what most folks thought of their own health care, which is really what matters.
ConScribe on June 21, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Who the hell did they poll? I’ll bet people standing in the lobby at CBS and NYT.
Mr. Grump on June 21, 2009 at 6:42 PM
But..But…But…..Its about intentions,I..I..mean..just
mentioning healthcare is..a..you know..the right thing..
to do..I..I..mean it makes a Liberal..warm and fuzzy..
and it shows..that..that..the Left..is..a..a..meaningful
in its attempt at..justice for..ah..all..and,and,I..
dunno whos gonna pay for it all,but..but..its still the
right thing,I guess…its about Liberals feeling good..
I..mean…. (Snark).
canopfor on June 21, 2009 at 6:43 PM
The nation is being enslaved by the dumbest members of our society.
Bishop on June 21, 2009 at 6:39 PMThe emergency rooms are already frequented mostly by the uninsured because the doctors can run more tests, do more procedures, and write more prescriptions when Uncle Sam pays for it.
fourdeucer on June 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM
DING!!
This goes for all socialist policies. And it is why Obama is purposely destroying the economy. Didn’t some Russian-American chick write a book about this once?
angryed on June 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM
What kind of idiot WANTS to pay higher taxes?
Oh …. thanks Bishop, you’re clairvoyant.
The nation is being enslaved by the dumbest members of our society.
fogw on June 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Well there’s the flaw in the methodology right there. No need to read further.
The only polls that might be close to the truth assuming one can design a “perfect” poll is the poll paid and used for internal use only and never to be made public. Only then will the pollster feel free to be honest. Only then will the poll purchaser expect and demand the “right” answers. Any poll to be released to the public is, for all intents and purposes, crap and inherently untrustworthy. The interests/motivations of the actors are too pronounced.
AnonymousDrivel on June 21, 2009 at 6:46 PM
I posted this a while back….health care perceptions are like people’s perceptions about politicians. Polls show 60-70% think Congress as a whole sucks. But the very same people then re-elect **their** congressman/woman 95% of the time.
People think there is a national crisis, but somehow they are immune from it.
angryed on June 21, 2009 at 6:46 PM
NYT and CBS are the least credible sources among the credibleless MSM.
jencab on June 21, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Define “free”…
SouthernGent on June 21, 2009 at 6:49 PM
I hope he fails.
iamse7en on June 21, 2009 at 6:50 PM
Freebies are always good ploy for vote buying. There might not be enough robbery victims to counter the give-me votes.
bayview on June 21, 2009 at 6:51 PM
If unemployment reaches double digits universal health care would easily pass.
equality on June 21, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Bishop@6:29PM
Thank you for pointing out the obvious.
Wait till those that are hoping to make it to the next level of prosperity, with employer provided healthcare or happy with their own coverage they pay for, get taxed to pay for somebody else’s healthcare. I know that my healthcare amounted to about 1/3 my salary plus other benefits – in some cases as much as 1/2. I took less money with benefits. Remove that incentive and you’re looking at a whole new ballgame, plus paying out what you thought you gained, only more.
24K lady on June 21, 2009 at 6:53 PM
wrt the NYT, i think it is always useful to reflect on Alinsky.
Hint: the NYT/CBS say yes we can….and if you nasty right-wing wackos think that it is unethical to skew a poll:
When you are as smart as the libs are, you think of everything
BTW…re: equality on June 21, 2009 at 6:20 PM
i assume you know that single payer healthcare will not be equal? Right?
r keller on June 21, 2009 at 6:53 PM
If unemployment reaches double digits universal health care would easily pass.
equality on June 21, 2009 at 6:52 PM
You are forgetting that Mr. President basically promised that Unemployment would not reach double digits if Porkulus was passed. When those double digit numbers do happen, he will have more on his plate to worry about than passing his Healthcare Plan.
kingsjester on June 21, 2009 at 6:56 PM
This reminds me back when,the Liberals were saying that the Republicans were cutting out the early morning school break
fast programs,in schools,but in reality,the Republicans were
increasing the early morning school programs!
The Liberals lied,saying it was going to be cut off!!
Then,there was the scaring to death of old age pensioners,
that the Republicans were cutting back on funds!
But in reality,Republicans were increasing it!
Then the Liberals came out,and stated that the old folks
were going to be eating dog food,from the can!!
Then came the dog food joke,as Rush Limbaugh phoned his
mother,asking if she recieved the can of dog food yet!
So,yes Liberal propaganda is still well alive,they breath
it,well okay,maybe not the breathing part!!
canopfor on June 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Photo of the day. Smart power
William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 6:59 PM
If unemployment reaches double digits universal health care would easily pass.
equality on June 21, 2009 at 6:52 PM
And Obama is working to do just that! The same people begging for free health care want free food, housing, transportation and unemployment benefits equal to working Americans. The Treasury is going to have to hire to keep the printing presses working overtime.
fourdeucer on June 21, 2009 at 7:01 PM
I hope they all fail. We have medicare and a private coverage and pay for both of them. Health care won’t be free for most of us and we’ll end up paying for others just as we pay for everything else. Wait until they give amnesty to all the illegals and we get to pay for them too.
Kissmygrits on June 21, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Pollsters do this all the time. They know that most people like being in the majority. They feel comfortable there. So…if you can convince them that the majority of people support something then they are more likely to go along with it.
Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 7:01 PM
A CBS poll? No credibility.
A NYTimes poll? No credibility.
A CBS and NYTimes poll?
Zero credibility + Zero credibility = Zero credibility.
CBS and the NYT polls would have more credibility if they hired Acmehandjob’s vote counters.
I have reached the point where I don’t even bother to figure out how these two Obama propaganda outlets rig their so-called polls. I simply assume they are bogus, and take them as unintentionally humorous. Saves time.
novaculus on June 21, 2009 at 7:01 PM
The propaganda machine is overt and in full force, now.
d1carter on June 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Photo of Day.
William Amos on June 21,2009 at 6:59PM.
William Amos: Nice photo,in contrast to world events!!
I bet,if Command gets a lock on North Korean
missle that they plan towards Hawaii,Hopey
will be out golfing!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
canopfor on June 21, 2009 at 7:06 PM
This is why the evil income tax needs to be abolished.
True_King on June 21, 2009 at 7:07 PM
equality, you guys dont have anywhere near the 4 trillion $ to pay for this.
Chuck Schick on June 21, 2009 at 7:07 PM
So they lied.
ctmom on June 21, 2009 at 7:09 PM
canopfor@6:58PM
Scaring the old folks into voting for you while redesigning Medicare to ration your healthcare is genius. I’d like to drop pamphlets all over Dade County saying “Glad you voted for Obama Now? Get ready for rationed care fools.”
Has anyone been able to explain what the homeless and those at poverty level are going to do….how do you sign them up? If they make $1 over from that which is the cut-off for ‘free medical’ what happens. Has anyone explained how much each individual taxpayer is going to contribute to this boondoggle? The answer is NO.
24K lady on June 21, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Nice job Karl.
WisCon on June 21, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Sure, if they set up a free government run program to train doctors who will work for $10 an hour…Would you trust you life to an ACORN doctor?
Hmmm, that’s what I thought.
izoneguy on June 21, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Our kids and their kids can worry about that don’t-you-know.
ConScribe on June 21, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Hot Air has gone GREEN. I will sleep better tonight because of that.
JonRoss on June 21, 2009 at 7:12 PM
If they were talking they were lying.
izoneguy on June 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM
And about that time inflation will be triple digets and Barry will have to catch a heliocopter on the roof of the White House as he flees to exile in Havana.
JonRoss on June 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Amos @6:59Pm
But, but, aww, um um, he did take the girls out for ice cream yesterday while Teheran was in riot mode. Priorities my friend. Priorities.
If I had no friends in the world, I still wouldn’t think of Joe Biden for a golf partner. Agghth! Feels like a hair ball when I think of it.
24K lady on June 21, 2009 at 7:19 PM
What I love most is both TOTUS and his sidekick Idiot Biden are wearing shorts. I can’t recall another president wearing shorts while playing.
Then again I can’t recall another president destroying the country either.
angryed on June 21, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Joseph Goebbels, please pick up the white courtesy ‘phone…
oldleprechaun on June 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM
We’re paying for them now. The hospitals don’t turn them away. When I worked in hospitals in NYS (10 years ago) we were told that they don’t turn anyone away and you are not to ask about their citizenship status. The premise is that if they are sick, they need to be treated and not discourage from treatment, for the public health. For example, if they had TB you wouldn’t want them out in public untreated and spreading it. They treat the emergency rooms as their doctor’s offices. And I’ll bet if/when we have Obamacare, they still won’t sign up for it because they will fear being deported. The current system is fine – you’re covered by your employer, medicare/medicaid, or you get free care as the illegals do.
mph on June 21, 2009 at 7:27 PM
How about if you make $1 more this year, $1 less next year and $1 more the year after that. Do you get, then lose, then get again “FREE” insurance?
Do you have to reapply every year? What if you make $20K one year while in grad school, graduate and then make $80K the next year. Do you keep the freebie insurance?
There is an infinite number of exceptions to these rules that will make the IRS tax code look like a haiku.
angryed on June 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM
thanks Karl
29Victor on June 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM
My dad always said that public schools could only teach to the level of the slowest student. Now that was probably an exaggeration but it would appear to be the way we are being governed.
Cindy Munford on June 21, 2009 at 7:35 PM
A woman, ex-LT-Gov for NY, was in the “Pundit Pit” on FOX & Friends either Thursday or Friday. She read the entire Kennedy Plan, she had it on her lap, it was huge, another Bill to ram down our throats unread.
The interesting part is that one group in America will be exempt from Obama-care, guess who? Congress! It is apparent that what is good enough for us, is not good enough for our elected slime-balls, go figure.
M-14 2go on June 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Great post and analysis, BTW.
ConScribe on June 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM
First of all, the most accurate poll in the 2008 election turned out to be Rasmussen. Scott nailed the actual result almost exactly.
Yet his poll is boycotted by the allegedly “partisan” Polling Report.com website, because he’s percieved by their elitist “editor” of being biased.
If you can show us a poll that over-samples Republicans in their polling sample, we’ll talk.
In the meantime, we have regularly busted the C-BS/NYT “poll”, because they actually admit that they oversample Democrats to get the result they desire.
Of course, mental giants like yourself are too lazy to read the PDF file accompanying their “poll” that explains how they rigged it.
Hint: they always put the polling sample on the very last page.
Del Dolemonte on June 21, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Now, that was funny.
BuckeyeSam on June 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Freshmam year final exam macro-ecomomics(yes we had electricity :)) last essay question: Prove or disprove the statement “There is no such thing as a free lunch”
Relevent now. As soon as something becomes free it becomes vary scarce. Think about it. Common sense tells us that it cannot be done.
This has to be STOPPED!!! Our lives depend on it.
HoustonRight on June 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM
I bet,if Command gets a lock on North Korean
missle that they plan towards Hawaii,Hopey
will be out golfing!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
canopfor on June 21, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Bet he won’t be teeing off in Hawaii!
heshtesh on June 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM
I love it. The poll is simultaneously junk AND actually stands for the opposite proposition!
It’s true though, that the NYT hopelessly skews its polls to make things look better for Obama. In fact, the NYT predicted that Obama would win by TEN a few days before the election (+/- 3 points) and he only won by 7.5!! BIAS!!
cjw79 on June 21, 2009 at 8:11 PM
What I first noticed was the intentionally misleading and very poorly worded question:
68. Would you favor or oppose the government offering everyone a government administered health insurance plan — something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older
get — that would compete with private health insurance plans?
It directly compares the gov’t plan to Medicare which has a very limited scope–which the gov’t plan of course does not! In effect, the question comes across as a referendum on Medicare and not the gov’t plan.
karlant on June 21, 2009 at 8:18 PM
I see that the propaganda arm of the Obama regime (ABC News) is claiming that the “Public” favors Obama’s health care disaster. That network is trying hard to make chicken salad out of chicken droppings. It appears that the dictator owns at least one of the major networks.
rplat on June 21, 2009 at 8:18 PM
The MSM’s JOB is to ensure that Obama Succeeds no matter the cost.
The actual number of american voters who agree with him and his fubar policies is irrelevant.
Get used to it.
BillaryMcBush on June 21, 2009 at 8:19 PM
It would be interesting to see what proportion of those willing to pay higher taxes for public health care actually pay Federal income taxes at the moment anyway. Also if they do earn enough to pay federal income taxes which tax bracket do the majority fall into and why aren’t the 43% who would be willing to pay as much as $500 extra in tax for Public health care currently using that extra $500 a year that they have to purchase private health care?
Dreadnought223 on June 21, 2009 at 8:23 PM
So very very true.
Speakup on June 21, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Freedom of the press, does that mean they can print lies and falsely slander people. Oh and it allows them to print treasonist articles also, hummmmmmmmmmmmmm, is this what the Founders intended? Oh sorry i forgot its a living document open to inteperation based on your liberal views, and a baby in a womans womb is not living. “BEWARE OF AN ANGRY AMERICA”
rone5847 on June 21, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Obama wants to be a martyr?
Cybergeezer on June 21, 2009 at 8:32 PM
What needs to be done is send each congress person a tee shirt with a earget on the back under the words (I voted for “O” Dumbos health care)
Rick007 on June 21, 2009 at 8:34 PM
WOW that should have been (Target))
Rick007 on June 21, 2009 at 8:35 PM
M-14 2go on June 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM
That was Betsey McCaughey and she has several good articles on this coming debacle on Bloomberg.com. She has some really good points.
red131 on June 21, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Call your Congressman/woman and Senator and tell them that when they start paying Social Security taxes and will abide by Nationalized healthcare, you will be convinced to go for it. Does the phrase “hell freeze over” ring a bell?
suzyk on June 21, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Obarmageddon flash in there
maverick muse on June 21, 2009 at 8:58 PM
The One and his crew will find some way around this. Thinking of a scene from The Battle of the Bulge:
“This man can sit down with his kids and eat frozen custard while a major oil-producing country on the verge of producing nuclear weapons is in chaos. He has no concept of defeat.”
Dr. ZhivBlago on June 21, 2009 at 9:06 PM
It’s a science, Poll Forensics. Requires sharp eyes and a strong stomach.
Maquis on June 21, 2009 at 9:28 PM
Good work on this!!! But poll reading is, by definition science; i.e. the law of large numbers and probability theory. “Art” is what the NYT does to the numbers
georgealbert on June 21, 2009 at 9:31 PM
First sentence tells with all the weasel words.
If ‘72% are for it’ and ’strongly behind it’ and ‘overshelmingly support’ it then why do they say it is so ‘contentious’?
ElRonaldo on June 21, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Oh, it’s a science alright. But much to the consternation of the Left, they really don’t have a clue what science is (except when it leads to the conclusions they wanted to reach in the first place).
cackcon on June 21, 2009 at 9:53 PM
We are on page 565 of Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” where the economy is trashed but the bureaucrats are still seizing businesses and that the propagandist for Mr. Thompson is still bleating out that “the economy has just turned the corner due to the new rules and just you wait folks, soon things will be better”.
The Pay restrictions are eerily like The Directive 10-289: “Every person of any age, sex, class or income, shall henceforth spend the same amount of money on the purchase of goods per year as he or she spent during the Basic Year, no more and no less. Over or under purchasing shall be fined, such fines to be determined by the Unification Board.”
GunRunner on June 21, 2009 at 10:13 PM
All these networks are also still parroting the lie that Obama’s job approval is in the mid 60%’s. As we all know Rasmussen is the best pollster and he’s got the Messiah at 53%.
Capitalist Infidel on June 21, 2009 at 10:44 PM
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