Neda identified? Update: New details
posted at 7:18 pm on June 21, 2009 by Allahpundit
Word on the street via one Iranian tweeter is that her name was Neda Agha Soltan. That’s also the name circulating on a few websites and now being attributed to her in a hastily arranged Wikipedia bio. The rumor — and it’s all rumor until some newspaper tracks down her family — is that she was 27 years old and a philosophy student. I hope to god this isn’t really her photo because the thought of her being so beautiful and dignified makes the murder somehow that much more obscene.
Two clips below. The second you’ve already seen; the first is a new one circulating today, shot sometime before the moment of truth. The blue shirt on the gray-haired man in the foreground should look familiar. That’s almost certainly her standing to his left, watching the protest, bothering no one. Read this Time piece on Neda by Iran expert Robin Wright afterwards, as it touches on the huge significance of martyrdom not only in Shiite theology but in Iran’s political tradition. If there’s any justice, there’ll be videos like this of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad someday soon.
Update: A Farsi speaker tells HuffPo that this blogger is claiming that Neda was at the protest with her professor and several other students and that the fatal shot was fired by a Basij driving by on a motorcycle. No rhyme or reason; I wonder if he even aimed. The burial, reportedly, was today — and her memorial service was ordered canceled by the regime.
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upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Okay, S-ingTFU now.
Can’t even have a dignified back and forth around here. And I’m being called a Troll? That’s fabulous.
bridgetown on June 22, 2009 at 12:14 PM
That’s my guess. He seemed to charm almost everyone even though who disagreed with him. I think we’ve understated how important charisma is in a politician, especially in making our point heard.
And I think it’s important that it’s framed in this way, as a way of showing them what they’re gaining and what could be lost.
Certainly, and we’ve now lost her beauty in the world. In fact, her beauty was transformed with blood splattered across her face into something it should never have been, like a piece of artwork destroyed in malice.
Yeah, but I often do, especially considering they put book reviews on the cover.
That’s how I see it. I consider human beauty as much a gift to mankind as the beauty in mountains and trees.
Esthier on June 22, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Then strive away if that’s what you chose – don’t moralize to everyone else.
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 12:14 PM
like you? You have been the oppisite since the start of this thread! Even Allah mentioned the “trolls” which i am sure was aimed at you.
So WTF is your point on this other then to be a condisending little shit and show disgrace over a woman who didn’t do anything to be shot to begin with.
You ARE lying and YOU know it!
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Liar.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 12:14 PM
I thought you were explaining to the group why a beautiful persons murder was worthy of more outrage than a male or and ugly woman.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Liar.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Yet you defend the moralization over the beauty of a murdered person.
Yeah. Riiiiight.
I am defending her as a person who is worthy to be mourned for who she is and not an object of visual sanctification.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Because, after all, the murders of gay people (like ugly people) is far less obscene and easier on the conscience.
Grow Fins on June 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM
It’s a sign of the times when everyone seeks out reasons to be offended. I read the thread and i saw no such implication.
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 12:18 PM
as I stated before.. in THIS thread.
Anyone who is has hunted knows the Heart/Lung shot is the best for killing an animal… and is the same with humans. It DROPS them on site, as you see her drop in the video. It also more or less kills them right away! It also makes them bleed excessively from the nose and mouth. She probably died as she hit the ground.
But you have to say it was due to other things.
You mentioned you didn’t want to go thru all the comments. I am just saying maybe you SHOULD have read some of them. You would realize what you were saying and not look like a fool.
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:18 PM
OH OH OH.. you mean like those 5 Iranian teenage BOYS who were HUNG because they were THOUGHT to be homosexual?
Are you talking about THAT Grow. How about you STFU and maybe research before you speak! Jesus you are a freaking MORON!
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM
I did no such thing can not read or comprehend the written word?
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Do you understand that word “more”?
Yes, beauty evokes stronger emotions than lack thereof. All other things being equal, a beautiful person is going to get more attention and adoration than a not so beautiful one. This should not come as news to anyone.
Pablo on June 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM
I know he is the poster boy of supposed gay hate in this country but he was killed for money and just happened to be gay.
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM
I read what you said, what’s inaccurate in my post? You’re one tolerant dude, aren’t you Blake? And clever. I like how the more your stupidity is showing the more you talk in single offensive words.
Alexey on June 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:18 PM
You are correct. I probably should have read more, for more context. I was simply responding to this comment:
And I’m not concerned about looking like a fool. I do foolish things all the time. And I learn from them. No biggie to me! But, I do apologize for getting Your panties in a wad.
bridgetown on June 22, 2009 at 12:21 PM
These folks got caught up in the emotion of the moment. When they realized the crassness of their statement, they lashed out at those who realized the shallowness of the comment.
Hence, those who respect Neda for her true worth are labeled as trolls.
I think Allah should shut down this thread and give those folks the time to reflect on how they really want to remember Neda. As a person, or as a contestant in a beauty contest.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:21 PM
What a freaking LOSER you are… as usual you turn everything AROUND!
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:23 PM
For someone with as poor reading comprehension as you, it’s pretty funny how you call everyone else stupid.
Says the guy attacking everyone…
See above. And check out adult literacy classes at your local public library.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Then exactly what side of this do you come down on? Is her murder worthy of more outrage because of her beauty or not?
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Who said that?
Pablo on June 22, 2009 at 12:25 PM
can’t stand being called on your shallow BS, can you?
Grow Fins on June 22, 2009 at 12:25 PM
You’re the one turning this around. Unless you think a majority opinion is always right. If that is the case I’ll refer you to the crucifixion of Christ and the election of Ochimpy.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:26 PM
St. csdeven of the Perpetually Offended. Quick – name his apostles.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Pablo on June 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Yes, I get the word ‘more’.
I still think the statement sucks. I think it sucks that society has placed so much emphasis on looks. It’s sad.
It’s a REALITY, I understand. But, it’s sad and her looks should not come into play here. What if she had been one of the women that had acid thrown in her face by those thugs?
Suddenly the murder would be LESS obscene?
Oh, forget it. Apparantly, I cannot make my point around here. Back to SingTFU for me!
bridgetown on June 22, 2009 at 12:26 PM
No, but I also understand how people can have a stronger emotional reaction to the murder because of her looks. As I said, thats human nature. We need to stop taking offense at everything and deal with the world around us.
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Blake, Madisonconservative, and many others whom are chastising those who are appalled at the idea.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Come on Iranian people… street justice! This is your chance for revolution… your opportunity to live free
conservador on June 22, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Yeah, well it’s going to be hard to break a habit that goes back to the dawn of man.
Pablo on June 22, 2009 at 12:28 PM
OMG. Its sad that society treats dogs better than unborn children – now man up and deal with the world you live in.
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 12:28 PM
No you’re not. You’re using her to attack others. You are demonstrating no respect for the sanctity of her life, and no empathy for the impact Neda’s death has had on others.
Loxodonta on June 22, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Pablo on June 22, 2009 at 12:28 PM
lol, yeah, I guess we can never evolve as beings after all. I’m glad my country broke the habit of oppressing women and minorities….I’ve hope for the human race. Color me silly!
bridgetown on June 22, 2009 at 12:29 PM
I accept that people are having a greater emotional response to her beauty. But shouldn’t we as humans strive for a different reaction? Especially when just last month these same folks were disgusted by the Susan Boyle issue.
Just as you guys expect me to soften my opinion because the response is emotional, I expect others to admit their error and soften their responses.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:30 PM
We can’t have nice things.
Asher on June 22, 2009 at 12:30 PM
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 12:28 PM
lol, I’m all womaned up and dealing quite well, thank you very much!
I can mourn a death of someone and not even think twice about their physical appearance. Oh, how silly of me.
bridgetown on June 22, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Liar.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM
It’s fallen human nature to react emotionally based on appearances. On an intellectual and moral level we can acknowledge that every human life is equal in worth and value, but we’re still very attached to our eyes.
I think we’re seeing both sides of our own humanity – the side which knows in its heart that innocent life lost is a travesty regardless of appearances, and the side which FEELS the loss more keenly because the innocent person looks innocent and valuable.
If our mortal emotions matched our intentions, every innocent person would be as beautiful to us as the most beautiful among us.
Those upholding the equal value of all innocent life – well done. You’re right.
Those giving their honest emotional reactions to a beautiful, innocent woman being killed in cold blood – well done. You’re right.
One of the struggles we have in this life is to get our fallen self to match our intentions and beliefs. We’re all hypocrites because none of us lives up to all the good we desire. That’s what it means to live in a fallen world.
justincase on June 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM
justincase on June 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM
well said! Blessed be the peacemakers.
:)
bridgetown on June 22, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Blake, you’re delusional. I’m not attacking everyone. I’m attacking you. Because you chose to attack me. And you’ve done it because you’re not capable of arguing and it upsets you.
BTW, please set Pablo straight. The guy seem to think that it’s ok to feel more compassion for a good looking person. And we both know that’s not your position.
Alexey on June 22, 2009 at 12:34 PM
MY SHALLOW BS? Please prove to me where I AM SHALLOW? You know you can’t… so why bother trying?
How about YOUR Shallow BS?
Really? Hold that thought!
Your upbringing has nothing to do with this. And I think it is you who is trying to push YOUR morals on others. Maybe you need to stop and think.. though I doubt that happens often.
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:36 PM
If you haven’t noticed, when an attractive woman is the subject of any conversation, liberal or vane or jealous women go crazy. It is a fact of life that youth and beauty will draw out more emotion when they are victimized. As a mother, anybody’s child, no matter the age, affect me equally.
TXMomof3 on June 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Oh, no. I’m sure you can change that fact of life. Good luck with that. I’d suggest that you start here. Maybe you can get them to hang a new companion piece to the Mona Lisa. I’m thinking something like this.
Pablo on June 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM
You use the word “should” so you are moralizing to others. Keep your opinion but don’t attack other people for not sharing it.
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM
That’s great for you. You are obviously made of superior moral fiber than all of us.
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Interesting….
I am a woman and it effected me quite a bit. So explain to me again how this should be as I don’t care about her beauty? I care that she seemed to be shot for she was in the crowd of people protesting.. yet she said and did nothing!
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM
It’s too bad we don’t have a review of Neda’s life so we can decide if her beauty or character was more worthy of outrage.
And I don’t think God created beautiful people for us to exalt above others. I’d say he put them here to test our understanding of what is really important.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM
I think so. The mourning had started long before we identified her. Knowing she was beautiful is just salt in the wound the world has suffered.
Exactly. On one website I went to, people were claiming she’s the girl from the video, the one who talked amid a backdrop of Akbars. If that were true, it too would make her death harder.
The good kind though. In Obama’s America, we’re all weird.
The only ones obsessing are the ones claiming it shouldn’t matter. If that’s the case, then they should drop it. If you don’t want to talk about how beautiful she was, then don’t.
All Internet forums are like that. Most don’t read all comments before posting, but it is polite, otherwise you risk repeating other people or going off topic.
I mean no offense by that. You seem like a nice person. It’s just that in these long threads, points get refuted and then repeated indefinitely, and especially in an emotional thread like this one, it helps to read back.
If you won’t read what others have written, why should you expect them to read what you’ve written?
And what is that exactly? Do you have some insight to her that photos and that one video don’t show? Cause I don’t.
That’s a distortion of what was said, and I think you know that.
Esthier on June 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM
And you’re a proven liar.
I don’t know what pablo thinks or doesn’t think. I do know that you are the last person to know what he thinks or doesn’t think. And I also know that you are a liar and are attacking everyone.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 12:40 PM
And you are telling me I should stop doing what I’m doing.
Shoulds for me and none for thee?
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Beautifully said. I’m almost inclined to print that out and frame it. ;) It really captures the dichotomy that’s going on in this forum. You’re right — both sides of this are generally coming from a good place. It would be nice if we could recognize that and seek consensus.
Neda’s spirit lives on and her death stands for something profound — that we all should value of peace and understanding, but that we — all across the world — should never cease our demand for liberty.
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 12:42 PM
BUT I did not moralize to you I just asked you to stop moralizing to me.
I can tell you are the kind of person who never passes by an opportunity to show other people that you consider yourself better and more evolved than the rest of the world because you have “sensibilities”.
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 12:43 PM
I am a woman and it effected me quite a bit. So explain to me again how this should be as I don’t care about her beauty? I care that she seemed to be shot for she was in the crowd of people protesting.. yet she said and did nothing!
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:38 PM
What I was referring to is that some of the people on here all upset, saying that we are placing more value on her because of her beauty are just petty. I feel like the majority of us care not about her looks, but about the tragic loss of life. Liberal women seem to get all riled about about anything involving attractiveness. Palin, Miss California…
TXMomof3 on June 22, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Does she have a family? Friends? Did she receive love and get love in return?
That’s enough for me to have the most outrage I can muster for a persons murder. To try and up it a notch because she is beautiful is impossible for me.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Oh, no. In fact, I’ve just written to President Messiah and asked him to establish the Department of Feelings Control and Enforcement. BECAUSE OF THE OUTRAGE!!!
Hopefully, he’ll remain undistracted by those pesky murderous Iranian thugs and get right on it.
Pablo on June 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM
No. This a pet peeve of mine and I am expressing my opinion. There are many topics on HA that never get my attention that probably stick in others craws.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Um…didn’t this all start with you chastising us?
MadisonConservative on June 22, 2009 at 12:45 PM
But screeching at people for their emotional reactions is well within your skill set, apparently.
Pablo on June 22, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Blake,
Pablo was the last guy to state the position that you and your side obviously holds despite your recent incoherent ramblings to the contrary. I know it because I looked it up. You’re a joke.
Alexey on June 22, 2009 at 12:47 PM
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM
So you made my point – thank you. You are the person in line who feels the need to moralize to others because they happened to hit on a pet-peeve of yours.
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 12:47 PM
I can’t ring that bell any louder!
Ding Ding Ding!
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:47 PM
It is too bad. Maybe her character was worth far more than her beauty but then so what? What if she was a horrible person in real life? Would that make her death less meaningful?
Why isn’t beauty important but intelligence is? Both are gifts people don’t earn. Why is one to be exalted above the other and the other something people shouldn’t even mention?
Why is it that we exalt art as beautiful but can’t do the same of people without someone saying it’s not worth praise? Why is it that I can speak of hiking trails in Colorado and exalt the beauty of it but can’t do the same for other creations of God?
Esthier on June 22, 2009 at 12:47 PM
That is a fact. Since the first page of this thread it has been a small handful who are defending Allah’s assertion that her beauty made her death more tragic. The problem is that Allah never said that and clarified it even further right away.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Images of the brutal murder of Neda Agha Soltan caused a lot of very emotional reactions among people who post here, including Allahpundit. Many of us made very emotional posts. The attacks on posters for how they worded their emotions is not only disrespectful of a person’s grief or shock, but also of Neda’s memory.
The trolling of the Neda threads is like grave robbing. It’s unspeakably disgusting.
Loxodonta on June 22, 2009 at 12:48 PM
We know she had a father. We can assume he loved her from his cries but ultimately don’t know. Maybe he beat her daily. We really don’t know.
Well, good for you. Like I said. You’re much better.
Esthier on June 22, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Esthier on June 22, 2009 at 12:47 PM
I agree with you.
TXMomof3 on June 22, 2009 at 12:49 PM
If a ten-year-old or even twenty-year-old is murdered, it is more tragic than the murder of a 70-year-old, because the young one has not had a chance to fully live their life. Her beauty is synonymous with her youth.
That is the way it is. If some people can’t handle that basic truth of life, then that’s too bad. Not all things are equal.
MadisonConservative on June 22, 2009 at 12:50 PM
And you’re a liar. You’ve already proven that you will read what you want into things and when you can’t, just flat out lie.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Grow
Finsa Soul is back.alliebobbitt on June 22, 2009 at 12:52 PM
MadisonConservative on June 22, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Exactly, while the death of an older person can be tragic, the death of someone who will never have a chance to experience all that life has to offer, is all the more sad.
TXMomof3 on June 22, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Simple: In this country, thanks largely in part to the neo-feminist/womynist movement, we’ve been led to believe that judging beauty of people is wrong, because those without might have their self-esteem hurt.
MadisonConservative on June 22, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Right on, Esthier. I’m up to speed now by doing a quick read through a few pages (can’t exactly peruse them all though, lest I do nothing else for a while). Believe it or not, I’ve been to quite a few forums with long threads where people take on the most recent convo without plowing through the previous pages, but your point is valid and useful.
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 12:53 PM
I don’t know. You’ll have to ask someone who believes that. As I explained last night, the worth of a doctor verses Joe the tire buster cannot be judged without a review of their entire body of work. Perhaps the doctor saved the life of the next Hitler and Joe changed a tire that saved the life of the next Reagan. The same is true with Neda. But I know she had a family etc, and that is enough to outrage me.
It doesn’t matter, but I believe that after death, we all receive paradisaical glory.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:54 PM
She was engaged (new thread just posted).
gh on June 22, 2009 at 12:54 PM
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Thank You! I’ve been trying to find AllahP’s explanation and just couldn’t.
Now I know.
I still think he should update the original blogpost to explain it. I’m obviously not the only one to have zoned in on that one comment that he made.
But, Thanks for posting his explanation. Whew. I feel better now.
I’ve got no beef with you anonymous posters. I was just stating an opinion. Just like we all do.
Sorry for the troubles!
Peace to Neda and to her grieving family. And I’m glad we got to see her face at all…She may have been shot just because her face was uncovered. Sick. Sadness. I hope the Iranian women Rise up and fight the fight.
bridgetown on June 22, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Hahahah! You attacked him and now you are trying to backpedal. Let me emphasize what he said about you:
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 12:55 PM
What if none of that was true? Would that make her murder any less worthy of outrage?
Pablo on June 22, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Could you tone it down a bit.
gh on June 22, 2009 at 12:56 PM
So we are not allowed to judge anyone by any merit or trait unless we have a full resume and history of the person?
Riiiiiiiiight.
MadisonConservative on June 22, 2009 at 12:57 PM
I saw a video of a father who has carried his son through hundreds of marathons. I know I do not have that in me. I applaud him and hope I can have the courage to be more committed to my kids.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:57 PM
MadisonConservative on June 22, 2009 at 12:52 PM
I’m not feminist, but I’m a woman. I have always been judged prettier than my sister. I’ve watched her pain over that. I can’t stand it because of my friends and family that ARE judged based solely on their looks. Me, myself..I think I’ve been given more opportunities because I’m deemed good looking.
Doesn’t make it right.
Just pointing out that not only “ugly” women take offense to this kind of thing. That’s all.
bridgetown on June 22, 2009 at 12:58 PM
You can make a preliminary judgment.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:58 PM
No.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Agreed.
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
Am I bad person for suspecting AP deliberately encouraged this faux-outrage so the trolls would have a theme and run up the hits? It seemed that way in light of other complaints like the atheism, abortion and Palin threads. When the right is actually, you know, RIGHT, AP calls it “red meat.” Kind of messed up when it’s (sorry) dead meat.
alliebobbitt on June 22, 2009 at 12:59 PM
As a man I have experienced the same thing. Yet people here said that I must be ugly to have feelings like this.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:59 PM
That’s just a way it is for you. Not for me. It really seriously wouldn’t make any difference for me in terms of compassion if she wasn’t as beautiful as she’s been.
It also may me synonymous with young or very young age for you, but it certainly not for me. When a child (10 yo) is murdered it IS a worse crime than murdering an adult. I would support tougher punishment for this and would be upset more. A young age (20) is worse than 70 yo, because the former had his whole life to live unlike the latter and because he is less mature. Take this two aspects away and the difference will fade (for me anyway).
Alexey on June 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Because I’ve seen AP swing the banhammer for less, and instead he whines about wanting to quit and hating people. What gives?
alliebobbitt on June 22, 2009 at 1:00 PM
I didn’t see my name there. You could back up your lie with a quote of my post where I attack Allah.
We’re waiting troll.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 1:02 PM
alliebobbitt on June 22, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Again, I just don’t get why I’m a TROLL for commenting on what AllahP wrote.
Why am I a troll for that? Maybe I just don’t know what a troll is.
bridgetown on June 22, 2009 at 1:02 PM
You took esthier’s comment out of context.
Yeah, you are. He tries to run up hits when there is no news. This is not one of those times. And I know he feels deeply about this issue.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM
I sympathize. :)
There is a bit too much snark here. BUT…It’s the same on progressive blogs. Same words used, too. Just directed opposite.
I say, the far right and the far left have a lot more in common than they recognize.
AnninCA on June 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM
You obviously don’t respond well to gentle nudging. Just because this is a pet peeve of yours and you feel the need to moralize to everyone about it does not give you the right to hijack this thread. If we were standing in a line in the movie theater and something I said upset you because it was a pet peeve of yours and you started moralizing to me I would tell you to STFU. Same rules apply here so: STFU
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 1:04 PM
I think Allah was upset that people didn’t get what he meant initially and then others decided to speak for him and defended him as if he really did think her beauty made her death more tragic.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 1:04 PM
I’m sorry my opinion threatens you. I’d say to you to find a different thread.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 1:05 PM
IBTimes:
All the jaded asses presuming objectivity who derided Neda’s death as faux for propaganda purpose devalue life.
maverick muse on June 22, 2009 at 1:06 PM
Of course, you wouldn’t recognize yourself. You reek!
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 1:06 PM
I believe Allahpundit was being very emotional in his reactions and was very angered at the trolling.
The attacks on AP are also producing very emotional responses.
It’s difficult to calm this thread down and maintain it as a memorial when posters continue to focus on very ungenerous interpretations of words, then use their own interpretations to attack AP or other posters.
Loxodonta on June 22, 2009 at 1:07 PM
They don’t know what a troll is. a troll is someone who says outrageous stuff just to get a rise out of people. Growfins etc and liberals in general. The childishness of the troll yellers is evident if the fact that they simply can not defend their position to the extent they can change others minds. They get frustrated, blame their frustration on others and then yell “TROLL” as a way to garner support to silence differing opinions.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Oh, well, thank you for permission. I’m glad to know I can judge freely.
You feel bad about your sister feeling bad. Do you feel bad about your prettiness? I would hope not, because you should not. Nor should anyone feel bad about recognizing it. If you have two people at work, and one of them manages to get their work done more quickly and efficiently than the other, should you not give the better worker a raise or promotion because it might hurt the other worker’s feelings?
I actually find this kind of bewildering, because I actually had these same debates with my teachers in middle school when they got on relativist streaks. The whole “everybody is a winner, nobody is a loser” thing is a gigantic lie. No, everybody doesn’t win the beauty contest, nor does everyone win the spelling bee. Accept your deficiencies and work on improving your advantages. It’s life. I’m not Christian Bale or Tom Cruise, and I never will be unless I’m going to break the bank at the plastic surgeon. I don’t sit around and cry about it, I concern myself with being good at my job, and being just handsome enough and well charismatic enough to keep my fiancee clamped onto me.
The girl was beautiful, and her beauty was lost to the world, as were any of her other positive traits. If we find out what those were, we’ll address them. Until then, quit telling us what to think.
MadisonConservative on June 22, 2009 at 1:09 PM
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