Neda identified? Update: New details
posted at 7:18 pm on June 21, 2009 by Allahpundit
Word on the street via one Iranian tweeter is that her name was Neda Agha Soltan. That’s also the name circulating on a few websites and now being attributed to her in a hastily arranged Wikipedia bio. The rumor — and it’s all rumor until some newspaper tracks down her family — is that she was 27 years old and a philosophy student. I hope to god this isn’t really her photo because the thought of her being so beautiful and dignified makes the murder somehow that much more obscene.
Two clips below. The second you’ve already seen; the first is a new one circulating today, shot sometime before the moment of truth. The blue shirt on the gray-haired man in the foreground should look familiar. That’s almost certainly her standing to his left, watching the protest, bothering no one. Read this Time piece on Neda by Iran expert Robin Wright afterwards, as it touches on the huge significance of martyrdom not only in Shiite theology but in Iran’s political tradition. If there’s any justice, there’ll be videos like this of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad someday soon.
Update: A Farsi speaker tells HuffPo that this blogger is claiming that Neda was at the protest with her professor and several other students and that the fatal shot was fired by a Basij driving by on a motorcycle. No rhyme or reason; I wonder if he even aimed. The burial, reportedly, was today — and her memorial service was ordered canceled by the regime.
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What is Hillary doing? Nothing. What did she do before she fell down and got a boo boo? Nothing.
The most invisible SOS ever. She loves the photo ops though. Doesn’t seem to do much else.
Geochelone on June 22, 2009 at 9:11 AM
It wasn’t. Nobody told you how you should feel about anything. You and others, especially csdeven, need to get a grip.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 9:12 AM
I’ll try to lay it out for you.
Her beauty and youth represent pretty much the movement of Iran. The youth of Iran are rising up and are being squashed. They are being snuffed out. As so many others said on this thread
Beauty implies youth
Just get over it — AP was just as angry about it before we knew her face.
Stop.
blatantblue on June 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM
Blake,
Yes, it was. Here ya go. Reading is your friend.
bridgetown on June 22, 2009 at 9:16 AM
Whatever — AP explained himself long ago.
blatantblue on June 22, 2009 at 9:17 AM
Yeah maybe an Islamo Fairy flitted down and morphed her into a pistol-packing devil–pffft there goes your new “worldview”…your husband is a jackass and you are too, for giving credence to his vaccuous suppositions!
“Let’s Roll”
On Watch on June 22, 2009 at 9:17 AM
You mean you wishing these two are murdered? Boy I remember the time murder wasn’t justice at all but “bad and wrong” and those Christians who wish for it are forgetting that one may repent in future, and that doing so is “pissing on man’s grave”, etc ad nauseum. Good to know you approve wishing death to muderous scum in this case.
Alexey on June 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM
There is no second amendment over there. People do not have access to firearms to point at anyone. In the video she is initially on her feet and collapsing with the help of her father and another man. None of them are holding a weapon. Not even a rock. There are no rocks dropped on the ground. And actively protesting by chanting slogans is not a capital offense — not even in Iran.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM
So where the hell did he tell you how you or anyone else how they should feel? He didn’t.
Reading comprehension is even a better friend.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 9:25 AM
Boy our Dems gots balls, don’t they. Let’s put Congress some knowledge.
Coronagold on June 22, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Don’t be such a fool.
Obama represented the “youth” and a certain segment of life. Looks do matter.
She represents, as pointed out so eloquently by:
The innocence of youth, the beauty of a young women, being shot and killed in an act of suppression is more dramatic when you are looking in the eyes of someone who was once alive and vibrant.
A shame you don’t see that…that is why liberals of today, have no connection with the liberals of 40 years ago…you don’t get it.
right2bright on June 22, 2009 at 9:40 AM
exactly
blatantblue on June 22, 2009 at 9:41 AM
When one attaches a face the deaths, it’s easier to advocate some sort of low level intervention. Or it should be easier…
V15J on June 22, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Hillary is a NON FACTOR. Looks like Hill and Barry are both in over thier heads.
marklmail on June 22, 2009 at 9:45 AM
I can’t see that there’s anything to dispute here. Other things being altogether equal, of course one will feel greater sadness if someone beautiful is murdered.
Kralizec on June 22, 2009 at 9:47 AM
I saw this part of a video covering the riots and watched her eyes open and look directly into the camera before passing, I said this is the picture that will embody the entire Iranian crisis.
I also remember talking to the Shaw of Iran, I was part of the military unit training the Shaw to fly, just before returning to Iran. He warned of the Mullah’s unwavering belief that Muslim ideology will rule the world and stay in the 7th century, because life was simpler and the people easier to control.
MSGTAS on June 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Yes, of course. Ugly people can’t be alive and vibrant. Killing them is like stepping on a roach. It’s messy, but, hey, who cares? They were ugly. You’ve touched my soul, you shallow d**k.
Indeed, we should feel sadder when the beautiful die, because of course we all know the ugly deserve it.
Sarcasm aside, you guys obsessing about her youth and beauty sound horribly shallow and pathetic. Just stop.
Are you the same ones that obsessed about Sarah Palin’s looks, rather than her speeches? Are you the ones that post the sexual comments about any picture of a woman posted here rather than comment on the meat of the story? The story should be a tragedy because a person protesting a rigged election was gunned down by a hooligan, not that she was hawt and cute and she like died and stuff. This thread sounds like a High School forum for a dead cheerleader.
Here’s a thought: go out and meet some real women so you know how to talk about them to other people without sounding like you have your underpants around your ankles.
austinnelly on June 22, 2009 at 10:03 AM
I watched this video two days ago and I cried. I had guessed she was around the age of my own two daughters, she was one year older than my oldest. My oldest daughter watched the video last night and she cried too. We both said the same thing, it’s not about her physical features that made us cry, it was her eyes.
I’m reminded of the old saying that your eyes are the windows to your soul. It was as if she was no longer looking through her eyes as a person, but her soul was now looking back.
I have been following a group who are getting their message out through others on Twitter and they crave freedom. These are young people, who do not represent their government, fighting to free their country. My fear is that they will not win and then what will happen to all those young people, like this girl? That is what upsets me.
As for the regime, well I said a prayer for this girl and for all the others who have died and for those fighting. They can’t cancel that.
moonsbreath on June 22, 2009 at 10:08 AM
What a disgrace. God will avenge her death.
youngO on June 22, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Seriously, the trolls complaining that there is too much focus on Neda’s beauty are crossing a line. People are on this thread to show support for the Iranian people and mourn a young woman who has become their national martyr. I cannot believe any American would seek to disrupt that. Sickening.
alliebobbitt on June 22, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Your vulgarity has no place here. You’re the disgraceful one.
alliebobbitt on June 22, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Someone expressed their raw emotions on seeing a photo of this woman after watching her die on tape. For it, every phony p.c. thought police a-hole has had to attack him repeatedly and attribute things to him he never said. Now, you have joined the pile on. Talk about obsessions! You stop.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Yeah way to twist yourself into knots buddy. The point in question is whether someone’s good looks (as opposed to someone’s not so good looks) is adding to the tragedy. I don’t think so. I wouldn’t feel a bit less sorry for her if she has been ugly as hell. And visa versa. If looks really actually do matter for you in this case and thus you would feel less for someone not as good looking, it’s quite disgusting and actually far more in line with socialist/liberal values.
Alexey on June 22, 2009 at 10:20 AM
One of the things I have been most impressed by through these Iranian protests is seeing the involvement of women. To see so many females rise up and assert themselves in the midst of a fascistic Islamic government is inspiring. I root for the liberty of all Iranians, but I have a special place in my heart for these brave women.
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 10:23 AM
No one is saying anyone’s life has less value based on looks. What they are saying is that it has an emotional effect. Any time I see a kid that has been murdered that looks like my daughter, it feels like a kick in the gut. Are you going to attack me for it? It’s based entirely on looks, too.
Political correctness and thought police are far more in line with your socialist/liberal values.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Sexist!
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Have you even bothered to read the thread? To read AP’s explanation? To read how commenters here, while acknowledging her physical beauty, more admire her courage for standing up? Her youth was only a small part of her beauty. The young people of Iran are being slaughtered for standing up to this regime.
That is the bottom line. Most of us know that…I hope you do as well.
ladyingray on June 22, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Actually, your “point in question” is O/T. That is not what Allahpundit was posting about.
ladyingray on June 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM
And attack Obama apparently. Because that’s what you did in your first post. Quite this hypocritical nonsense would you.
Alexey on June 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM
you’re obnoxious
go back and read some of the thread.
blatantblue on June 22, 2009 at 10:35 AM
As a woman who has been told she is “pretty” and who has a sister who has been considered by society (not me) to be “plain-jane”, I’ve seen the prejudice. It sickens me because often I find myself so in awe of her. Without reservation I would admit that she is cooler and more intelligent than I (but, hey, I’m no lightweight!) yet she doesn’t get the attention while we’re out and about. Frankly, it ticks me off that the superficial is so important in society and gets a disproportionate amount of benefits. You see it in the media — a missing or murdered female who is “cute” or “beautiful” is often referred to as such and becomes a sensationalized, 24/7 news story, while a lady who is not-so-stunning or is poor or a number of “lesser” qualities is given a blip. The same happens to males, but it seems to not be as prevelant.
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 10:36 AM
You’re joking? I hope…
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Talk about a non sequittur! Hahahah!
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Can we PLEASE have Bush and Cheney back????
reshas1 on June 22, 2009 at 10:39 AM
She’s was quite beautiful. She will be remembered by the entire world, and this moment will be the one that defines this uprising forever.
AnninCA on June 22, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Initially, yes. But after reading your post previous to this one, I guess not.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Let me add that I do understand the psychology of beauty and youth and how it is admired by all creatures, not just human. But I do think that humans, with our unique conscious ability for ethics, morality, and higher aspirations has an advantage above other species to select more advantageous qualities, such as intelligence, character, and good temperament, that makes for a more peaceful and advanced society. Which is not to say that those things are exclusive to the “non-beautiful”, but it would be nice if the superficial was secondary. To be sure, I don’t advocate any imposed “social engineering”, just an individual, conscious encouragement of the sapient qualities.
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM
How soon until we see a Kim Jong Il/Madelaine Albright moment in Iran?
How sonn until Obama visits Iran and bows to the mullahs and Ahmadenijad?
roninacreage on June 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Zoey
AP explained what he meant pages ago in this thread.
blatantblue on June 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Hrm, well, it’s cool that you *were* joking! But now I’m a bit confused as to why you changed your mind? Sorry that I didn’t get the snark. Sometimes it’s hard to tell through text, ya know? :)
Feel free to explain why you disagree. I haven’t read this thread and it’s entirety, but I see that I apparently weighed in on something that is causing controversy in here.
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Personally, I think beauty and inner peace are entertwined. When someone has symetrical features, that’s just the potential for beauty. Emotional well being shows in the face and even the posture.
It’s intuitive, but people are responding to more than simply features. (Except men who like brassy, rough-looking blondes with exaggerated *features* of course. *haha)
AnninCA on June 22, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Hmm, I guess I wasn’t clear in my post? I didn’t mention Allahpundit and wasn’t referring to him. I was merely adding my two cents to the first post I read, which was Alexey’s.
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 10:53 AM
You really should read the previous 9 pages before you comment…there are a few posts from late last night that you can gloss over (you’ll know ‘em when you see ‘em) but there has been much discussion over this.
ladyingray on June 22, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Obama: “A Vigororous debate is takng place in Iran”
Stirring the pot…..
Reality Check on June 22, 2009 at 10:54 AM
I understand what you mean by posture and facial expression giving useful signals, but there are many who are misunderstood because their outside selves do not match their inner qualities.
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 10:55 AM
And apparently any time someone looks really good. It’s good to know you’re equating an association with someone special in your life, someone who you love with a good looks. It’s perfectly understandable that you’ll instinctively feel more about someone who looks like your daughter. But good looks? Anyway please get it through your head that there are people who won’t, even instinctively, mourn a good looking person more than ugly-looking.
And just like it’s strange for you someone wouldn’t care for such things it’s strange for me that you would. Difference is I’m not fond of delusional and irrelevant whining about political correctness, thought police, calling you liberal etc.
Alexey on June 22, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Goodness. I apologize. I don’t see how my post was any less relevant or deserving of derision.
I’m new to HotAir if that’s any consolation… I’m not used to forums where you’re expected to read all or most previous posts before you weigh in.
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 10:58 AM
You can’t possibly be serious with that assertion.
Michelle Dubois on June 22, 2009 at 11:03 AM
It’s true. Many people here acting as if we live in a fairy land and no one can just care for good looks irrelevant of any compassion, morals etc, though it’s happening all the time.
Alexey on June 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM
*sigh
Your post isn’t any less relevant than any other commenters. However, you jump in on page 10 of a thread not knowing what has been said. Allahpundit has explained himself very clearly…go find that and read it.
He was heartsick over this murder before he saw the picture of her. He’s been all over this all weekend. It’s not all about Neda’s beauty…
…it’s just a bit tiresome to have to continue to repeat that because commenters don’t want to read previous commenter posts.
That’s all…nothing personal toward you.
ladyingray on June 22, 2009 at 11:07 AM
I’ve known a lot of people, men included, who became decidedly more attractive as I got to know them. It’s funny how the brain works. Did you know there is an actual brain process that operates a bit like a photography filter process, airbrushing out defects? When we like someone, then their features start to look better and better.
I thought that was sort of neat.
There is, of course, prejudice about looks. Numerous studies of CEOS, for example, prove that tall men are accorded more leadership qualities than short men. Hence, most CEOs are tall.
And personality plays a tremendous role. A warm, outgoing personality has advantages, too.
AnninCA on June 22, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Yes, ProudPalinFan, my worldview changed yesterday, too.
An unarmed person, standing in the proximity of a protest, is shot in the chest. As she lies on the curb in initial shock, just moments before dying, she stares directly into a hand-held video camera, unable to speak. Does she know it’s all over for her? I think she just realizes it.
And then her life passes away in front of our eyes, staring straight into ours.
Dear Neda, go with your G-d, and may you find blessed peace.
May G-d’s righteous justice come crashing down upon those who did this, and quickly. May they burn in Hell.
Best regards, Peter Warner.
OT, but a reminder: Our own First Amendment only exists because of the Second.
PeterWarner on June 22, 2009 at 11:14 AM
An addendum in defense of those who are jumping on my comment regarding the emphasis of beauty in society — to be fair, her beauty does, in a sense, add to the significance of this tragedy in that the Islamic fascists, by and large, control women precisely because of their general appeal and desire to keep them for selfish benefit. So, in that vein, I see where many on here are coming from. But both of these opinions aren’t incongruous. I’m not saying that beauty shouldn’t be admired and desired, just that it is often exalted far and above other qualities.
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Once again for the socially retarded, human beings have emotional responses to how people look. Why do you think most film stars and advertisement models are good looking? Because they evoke an emotional response.
And you get it through your thick head that you are attacking people who do nothing of the sort.
You mean do I think it’s strange that you are using this topic disingenuously to attack people? I see your type of dishonest behavior all the time.
Another non sequittur. Nothing delusional about your obnoxious political correct thought police liberal behavior. You left a nice record of it.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Good points. :)
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Any normal person knew what was meant by the comment on the girl’s “beauty and dignity,” or would have known after a moment’s thought. It was an emotional response. Ten pages of having to analyze it over and over is absolutely ridiculous and demoralizing. Way to major on the minors. It’s proof that feminism rots the brain, and the common sense, and the human sense, too.
Eternal memory to Neda and may her death not be in vain.
evergreen on June 22, 2009 at 11:17 AM
AnninCA is back playing nice. But soon she will be telling us we are racists and full of hate or that we want back alley coat hanger abortions. Its just her game. Its her pattern. That is what trolls do.
Geochelone on June 22, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Elsewhere Sarkoszy SLAMS burkas……
Limerick on June 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Lady, again, I do apologize if it seemed that I was criticizing anyone who referenced Neda’s beauty. I *do* find her beautiful and that does touch me, just as losing someone who was exceedingly intelligent or humorous or a number of qualities would make a loss more profound. Sighs here, too, because I feel that I either didn’t express myself well enough or that I’m misunderstood. I never said Allahpundit was wrong for what he said and I do know how heartbroken he has been (as have I) over Neda this whole time. I follow and communicate with him via Twitter. He’s one of the big reasons I was drawn to HA.
“What we have here is a failure to communicate.” — Cool Hand Luke
Hope we’re kosher. I’m a peace-lovin’ gal. :)
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM
You walked in on a long thread on a very emotional subject with a lot of unfair personal attacks directed at AP and others. When you step into a mine field, you can expect an explosion or two.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Actually, there is video of her before she was shot. All she did was watch the protests with her father.
alliebobbitt on June 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM
When I see a young person who is beautiful and struck down in the prime of life it really hits home. That is just the way it is. I would not however feel any less sadness if she had been unattractive. She just happens to represent the absolute evil of the way the regime is trying to squash this uprising. When I read about the death of a young person who had achieved some level of higher education or had lofty goals (without ever seeing a picture to know if they were attractive or not) I always feel that it is a tragedy that such promise and light was extinguished. The trolls just need get a grip and stop trying to politize this tragedy and outrage.
TXMomof3 on June 22, 2009 at 11:25 AM
We’re kosher as long as you know that Luke didn’t say that…the captain did.
Exactly.
ladyingray on June 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Ha! Yes, ma’am, I do know. Just referencing the title. ;)
Okey dokey, smokey. No hard feelings here. =D Just felt a bit misunderstood.
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I see where you’re going…
ladyingray on June 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM
It’s really sad that some have to twist a thread that was a tribute to this young lady.
Why not close this thread?
moonsbreath on June 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Billy Jeff won because he made the impeachment an issue and turned out African Americans. It had nothing to do with the Matthew Shepard case.
As for Matthew Shepard and Neda, the reason why it is so sad is because both were young and vibrant and looked like everyone else’s children, not because they were good-looking. We also got to see Neda die in a brutal fashion on YouTube.
Illinidiva on June 22, 2009 at 11:41 AM
You missed much of the discussion. Allah never said it, but MANY members of HA are completely fine with expressing more outrage because she was beautiful. And they vehemently rationalized it.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Okay, I’m utterly confused at this point. Where is he “going”? That I’m coming across as sexist? Because his statement at the time-stamp you referred implied that. Again, not trying to argue, just a tad bit lost here.
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Talking about getting sidetracked by trolls.
Her murder is symbolic not only because she is young but because the way she died and the fact that everyone gets to see it on you-tube.
If you have complaints about society preferring pretty people then start your own thread complaining about that somewhere else.
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 11:49 AM
I counted on one hand the comments directed at Allah. Most were directed at members who felt Allah was attacked and decided to take a stance that they thought he was taking in order to defend him. In the course of that defense, many commenters defended the idea that it was completely rational to have greater outrage over her murder than a male or an ugly women.
I reminded them of their outrage that Susan Boyle was judged by her looks before anyone heard her sing. I believe the phrase was something about judging books by their covers. Here we are a month later and beautiful people are judged more worthy of great outrage than ugly people.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Blake,
Normally I would take offence if someone attack me the way you do (while whining that I’m using the topic to attack people). But considering how dumb you appear to be that’s even funny.
You can repeat this “emotional response” nonsense as many times as you like and it wouldn’t make any more sense. OFCOURSE people has an “emotional response” to good looks. OFCOURSE that is why actors are generally good-looking. This affection for beauty is not unique for women, people have such responses for anything they feel beautiful (music, cars etc). The point is whether the COMPASSION, this another particular “emotional response”, is or should be conditioned by the things which provoke such “affection” in us. I’ll make it shorter for you to understand: I like people in beautiful looking dress, it matters for many things, but should or is it matter for me in terms of compassion? No.
Whom you’re talking about? Allah explained that he doesn’t. Good for him. But you made a specific point that good looks has an “emotional impact” on you akin to if someone resembles your child (“it feels like a kick in a gut”). What the heck did you mean if not being instinctively more touched? You can’t even follow what you’re arguing.
You really showed youself to be a hypocritical retard, dude, and accusing me of being liberal is just a stupid icing on a cake.
Alexey on June 22, 2009 at 11:53 AM
I was wondering that myself. Why let trolls try to sidetrack this thread because they think her physical appearence meant her murder was worthy of more outrage.
It’s sickening.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Oh, can it csdeven! I read the thread. I’m not interested in your spin. I saw you running around attacking everyone who didn’t agree with you and your phony moralizing.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Hey, apologies to all, seriously. I never intended to sidetrack any convo, but it’s apparent that I’m being set ablaze for giving two-cents on what appeared to be the live discussion. I apparently made a faux pas by not reading the entire thread prior to making my comment. Again, I’m new. And I’ve now been duly schooled.
EarthToZoey on June 22, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Allah did explain himself and I believe him. There are however, a hard core group of folks who really do believe her murder is more horrific than a dude or ugly female. Blake is one of them.
They sure had fun ganging up on me last night, but now that several others are expressing their outrage, all of a sudden we get “WHATEVER!”.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:00 PM
I find the brutal taking of any innocent human beings life for political reasons obscene no matter what they look like. I don’t think there are varying degrees.
peacenprosperity on June 22, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Oh, can it csdeven! I read the thread. I’m not interested in your spin. I saw you running around attacking everyone who didn’t agree with you and your phony moralizing.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 11:57 AM
I’m with you, Blake.
TXMomof3 on June 22, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Nice try you lying POS. Here’s what I really said:
Projecting again, Alexey. I’m not going to even bother with the rest of your lies that preceeded what I quoted here. I don’t have the time or interest.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM
matthew shephard was not a martyr to anything but careless, irresponsible and reckless behavior. If he had not willingly went with the scumbags who killed him, they would have found another victim that night because they needed money for their drugs. Comparing an innocent girl murdered who was viewing a nation demonstrating for freedom to a homosexual who picked up the wrong two guys in a bar is obscene.
peacenprosperity on June 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM
AP is pointing out a fact of human nature. The fact that some people think its bad need to deal with reality.
Bring back dodgeball so we can undo this sissyfication where someone is bound to take offense at anything.
dpierson on June 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM
As I stated in a different thread:
She was dignified, like Allah mentioned. If you can’t watch the video.. then maybe take it from someone who has seen death.
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM
You’re a liar.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 12:08 PM
I commented on the blog post.
I didn’t and won’t read 900+ posts just to see Allah’s thought on what he initially wrote. He could post an update to that and clarify it there.
I’m being called a Troll because I commented on what Allahpundit wrote in the blog post?
That’s pretty amazing. Allahp wrote that he thought her beauty and dignity made the murder more obscene.
Uhhhhh…..yeah, someone needs looks and dignity to make a MURDER More obscene?
I took issue with that. Allah’s a big boy and can defend himself.
I’m not a ‘Troll’ because I simply commented on his blog post here.
This is what ‘comment’ sections are for, are they Not????
bridgetown on June 22, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Many behaviors are human nature, but when we are faced with the immorality of it, we strive to change that in ourselves.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Then maybe you should have commented.
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:10 PM
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 11:54 AM
She was shot. And you think somehow that she COULD have uttered a word or screamed or cried? come on. Within moments blood was rushing from her nose and mouth. I’m thinking she could not, even if she wanted to, Scream.
bridgetown on June 22, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Yet on page ten you continue to defend the practice.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:11 PM
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Huh??? I DID!
bridgetown on June 22, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Spoken like someone who OBVIOUSLY never read the comments…. maybe you should take a few moments and glace thru them.
And then STFU.
upinak on June 22, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Except you attack people who disagree with you, whine when you are attacked back, and you lie.
Blake on June 22, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Allah did explain himself and I believe him. But notice how many commenters here still defend the opposite of what Allah said he meant.
csdeven on June 22, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Of all of the discussions, of all of the opinions, of all there could possibly be said about this young woman’s death, the situation in Iran that led to it, or our President’s response (or lack of response) I NEVER could have predicted that at least 8 pages of a 10 page (and counting) thread would have to do with this nonsense.
I already waded through too many responses last night to wade through the extra 3-4 pages, and based on the responses on this page, it seems like I haven’t missed much.
I have noticed though, that the people fighting the hardest to make people feel bad for mourning the loss of a pretty woman don’t seem to take up a lot of font space declaring how sorry they are that she’s dead.
If I overlooked it, my apologies, but considering the huge volume typed, I would have expected to see more, “I’m sorry she’s dead,” and less, “You guys are a-holes for feeling worse that a pretty woman died than blah blah blah.”
In any case, I join the voices that are outraged that a young woman who had her whole life ahead of her has been cut down in her prime for the sin of standing peacefully on a street corner. May God rest and keep her soul and comfort her loved ones.
I’m also sorry that AP took such a rediculous beating when if it wasn’t for him, we wouldn’t have had such good coverage of the evolving situation in Iran.
Let’s let this tribute post be a tribute post, please.
DrAllecon on June 22, 2009 at 12:13 PM
peacenprosperity on June 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM
I’d have to say I’m with you there. No person deserves to die for making a mistake, but the two cases are not even in the same universe.
TXMomof3 on June 22, 2009 at 12:13 PM
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