Neda identified? Update: New details
posted at 7:18 pm on June 21, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Word on the street via one Iranian tweeter is that her name was Neda Agha Soltan. That’s also the name circulating on a few websites and now being attributed to her in a hastily arranged Wikipedia bio. The rumor — and it’s all rumor until some newspaper tracks down her family — is that she was 27 years old and a philosophy student. I hope to god this isn’t really her photo because the thought of her being so beautiful and dignified makes the murder somehow that much more obscene.
Two clips below. The second you’ve already seen; the first is a new one circulating today, shot sometime before the moment of truth. The blue shirt on the gray-haired man in the foreground should look familiar. That’s almost certainly her standing to his left, watching the protest, bothering no one. Read this Time piece on Neda by Iran expert Robin Wright afterwards, as it touches on the huge significance of martyrdom not only in Shiite theology but in Iran’s political tradition. If there’s any justice, there’ll be videos like this of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad someday soon.
Update: A Farsi speaker tells HuffPo that this blogger is claiming that Neda was at the protest with her professor and several other students and that the fatal shot was fired by a Basij driving by on a motorcycle. No rhyme or reason; I wonder if he even aimed. The burial, reportedly, was today — and her memorial service was ordered canceled by the regime.
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Strong content warning on the 2nd vid!
jgapinoy on June 21, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Not for long from Wiki site
William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 7:23 PM
In 1979 my dad let me buy a t-shirt that sad ‘F%@k Iran’ as long as I didn’t wear it out of the house. I wish I still had that t-shirt (and could fit into it).
This cold-blooded murder cannot stand, nor should Barry’s insistence on unconditional dialogue with the worst of the world’s worst survive this atrocity.
redfoxbluestate on June 21, 2009 at 7:24 PM
You said it.
No mercy.
MadisonConservative on June 21, 2009 at 7:24 PM
I think BHO having a lovely chat with AckMyDumbJihad over some warm Arabian coffee would surely bring some hopeandchange!
jgapinoy on June 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM
That girl is someone, even if it is not Neda Agha Soltan. It is very disturbing and sad. The photos imply death, but I hope that is not the case.
Mr. Joe on June 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM
I had a comment that I posted on Hot Air,that I was thinking,that all their needs to be an event,to rally
Iranians!
Whats missing is a spark!—June:17,2009 at 8:54AM.
Then I said:
So,was the shooting,and death of the young Iranian girl
that spark?———-June 20,2009 at 8:29PM.
——————————————————
As in all world events,I had a gut feeling that if something
like the murder of a young child,it becomes more than a bitt
erly contested election,but more of symbol of the Mullahs
iron fist towards its own people!
Neda has become,in my opinion,the Symbol of the Iranian
Struggle of FGreedom!!
canopfor on June 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM
No words, just tears.
RIP
txag92 on June 21, 2009 at 7:27 PM
I’ve heard Wiki is run by libs. We mustn’t meddle, you know.
jgapinoy on June 21, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Way too many of the Iranians living it the U.S. being asked to comment on the situation have said that Pres. Obama is handling it perfect. I am hoping they are just sucking up to him because his party is in charge and will ultimately help them.
Cindy Munford on June 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM
We have to keep Neda Agha Soltan’s memory alive because God knows the corrupted media in the US will ignore her like they did so many others. NOT THIS TIME.
RobCon on June 21, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Yahoo does have some neda screen grabs
William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 7:29 PM
On Neda,
http:www.iranian.com/main/node
canopfor on June 21, 2009 at 7:30 PM
RIP, Neda.
How can Dear Leader negotiate in good faith with a regime that is dishonest in its own elections and then murders its own citizens who complain?
rbj on June 21, 2009 at 7:30 PM
I personally found this comment appalling. If she weighed 400-lbs and was ugly then, presumably, her murder “somehow” would be that much less obscene?
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Maybe it would have been better if Barry had groveled in Tehran rather than Cairo. Could have made a difference. You never know. Barry has a gift you know. A frozen snack shared at the local JihadyCream with Ahmadinejad may have prevented all of this unpleasentness. I guess we will never know.
JonRoss on June 21, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Neda was killed in that incident
The 40-second YouTube video carries with it an equally disturbing description:
William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 7:32 PM
For some reason, the pics eat at me more than the video does.
MadisonConservative on June 21, 2009 at 7:33 PM
I’m left practically speechless. Would President Obama be so disengaged if it were Sasha or Malia who had been gunned down in cold blood by ruthless military (read government) goons? Now you know why we cling to our guns and religion. Too bad the unarmed citizens of Iran don’t have the same privilege.
College Prof on June 21, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Ask a pro choicer that question will you ?
William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 7:33 PM
If there is any justice, Khamenei and Ahmadinejad will never be considered martyrs.
Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Negative – she’s a symbol of Mousavi’s desire to re-ignite the Khomeini Islamic Revolution – to bring the movement to the “pureness” of 1979 … again.
But don’t take my word for it.
HondaV65 on June 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Oh, look who f’ing pops up. Kindly pop the hell out again, you disingenuous little freak.
MadisonConservative on June 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Chilling
RIP
CWforFreedom on June 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM
WTF?
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:35 PM
STFU. You don’t have the monopoly on bloggy outrage, douche.
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:35 PM
I’ll try this again.
http://www.iranian.com/main/node
canopfor on June 21, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Looks, body cell count, what’s the difference?
Darth Executor on June 21, 2009 at 7:37 PM
I thought it lacked taste too.
GoodBoy on June 21, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Persian Passage.
My child is a cellist.
Ignore the obama head in the beginning, but it’s kind of ironic if you ask me.
Key West Reader on June 21, 2009 at 7:37 PM
In other words Abortion is OK only because it is a fetus ? Or does it have to be a baby for it to be wrong ?
William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 7:37 PM
This thread is about a beautiful woman brutally murdered by tyrants. It is not about you and your talking points. Leave.
Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:38 PM
If someone burned a random painting, most people wouldn’t care. If someone burned the Mona Lisa, people would care. When something beautiful is destroyed, it is always more tragic.
You don’t need fins. You need to grow a pair and quit the dishonest BS you constantly spew here.
MadisonConservative on June 21, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Wrong thread, dude.
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Geez…she’s my daughter’s age.
flipflop on June 21, 2009 at 7:38 PM
You been on those chili pepper enemas again ? Getting a little cranky you are.
JonRoss on June 21, 2009 at 7:38 PM
My heart breaks. Tragic, whomever she is.
pugwriter on June 21, 2009 at 7:38 PM
But the same point you were making in this thread.
William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM
I’d expect nothing less than this kind of ethically-challenged BS. I guess all those beautiful women who died in the death camps somehow were more of a “tragedy” because insensitive a**holes like you can seem to find it in their cold, callous hearts to empathize with ugly people.
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Your fowl language in this thread demonstrates your complete lack of respect for the memory of an Iranian woman who has been brutally murdered. Leave!
Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM
(facepalm) … you didn’t really just say that did you Allah?
Sigh
HondaV65 on June 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM
She is like Obama. People can project the values of their choice on her.
exception on June 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM
HondaV65 on June 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM
I sure hope you haven’t become so cynical, and hardened that this doesn’t touch you. I have to log off just because I can’t allow myself to remain in such a high level of anger and disapointment at That One.(Obama)
fourdeucer on June 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM
No it doesn’t. And it’s “foul” btw.
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Ah Fins! That is not what AP “meant” to say. You know what he meant, don’t you? His heart was in the right place he just worded his response a little clumsily.
I’m surprised that you as a liberal did not feel his anguish!
Vince on June 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM
I will tell you I have a newfound respect for these Persians.
I don’t know if I would have the courage to face down gun wielding men with just rocks.
ArmyAunt on June 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Go get your jollies off somewhere else, Troll King
blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM
It’s a good thing it only seems that way and thinking adults reject that beauty somehow makes a crime more tragic.
csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Ah Vince! Words mean something, isn’t that what you rightys always proclaim? Words have meanings! I’m surprised that you as a conservative are so narrow minded to regard “liberals” so one-dimensionally!
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Ignoring the painting comparison, I see. Keep on going. I’ve yet to see you express remorse over the number of people getting murdered in the streets over there, but you’re spry enough to throw a fit when the beauty of one of the women shot down in cold blood is recognized.
Scum.
MadisonConservative on June 21, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Who died and made you blog warden, little boy blue? Don’t you exams to study for or something?
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:44 PM
“Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM”
actually, i like the “fowl” reference towards you; saves keystrokes over “birdbrain”
/which may be overstating the case at that anyway!
Buckaroo on June 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM
It DOES make it obscene.
She’s YOUNG. She’s youthful, just like the college boy we saw shot two days ago.
Their youth, which is rather synonymous with beauty (the young are quite radiant) — is symbolic.
The next generation is being squashed by the old, crusty members of the Ayat’ocracy.
blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Words? It’s just words! Like Obama’s strong condemnation of this tragedy?
Vince on June 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM
I’m done studying — I’ve been busy working.
You know, having that three letter word your boy Joe Blow has a problem with.
And what your boy Obarfo never had.
blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM
“Like Obama’s strong condemnation of this tragedy?”
IF ONLY …
Buckaroo on June 21, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Oh, give AP a break…
CarolynM on June 21, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Go take a hike Mad-one, and spare us all your faux outrage for a woman whose Muslim beliefs you despise.
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Its also obscene to obsess about what makes someone worthy of beng mentioned after they died.
The girl is dead and it is her death that is obscene. What makes it more obscene is that she would have been mistreated her whole life simply because she was beautiful and a woman in such a totalistarian soceity.
William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Never thought I would agree with the lib trolls here but the man has a point .. Sounds like something Howard Stern would say.
redrock on June 21, 2009 at 7:47 PM
So you endorse the “elimination” Israel ? Is that correct ?
JonRoss on June 21, 2009 at 7:48 PM
WTH are you blithering about? Wrong thread buddy!
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Obama gets schools named after him, just for getting elected. This beautiful woman deserves a monument for giving her life for freedom. I don’t give a shit who prevails, she deserves recognition. I know they all do. I have seen dozens killed, but, something about her shook me to the core.
sybilll on June 21, 2009 at 7:49 PM
I don’t know her beliefs, and neither do you, you two-faced little slimeball, so don’t tell me what I do or don’t despise.
MadisonConservative on June 21, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Ignore the troll and its inane rambling
CWforFreedom on June 21, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Is it unusual for a woman to wear jeans and sneakers in Iran? Or is the only requirement that they are covered?
CarolynM on June 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM
This is what is wrong with politics in America. There is no rational reason for you to drag politics into this. It’s a humanity issue and the last time I checked, we were all humans.
csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM
What this scum bag is doing, as most worshipers of Obama are doing, is attempting to change the subject. If Obama has spoken out this women’s life may have been spared.
JonRoss on June 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Well she sure as hell doesn’t worship at your church. And why don’t you give it a break with the invective, rageboy?
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Now back to the subject at hand ……………..
CWforFreedom on June 21, 2009 at 7:51 PM
BS. And if Cheney and Bolton had ahd their way, she’d have been “collateral damage.”
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Susan Boyle.
csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:51 PM
The bastard hasn’t even come out IN PERSON and made condemnations of the thugs who are killing Iranians for demonstrating. He sends out press releases and then flits off on a daddy date with his spoiled little girls. Neda
was somebody’s daughter too Mr. President. Perhaps you might understand it isn’t all about you and show some god damned compassion for once in your pathetic life!
Instead we hear all about your dog, your wife’s killer arms, and the fact that you still are committed to sitting down with the thugs that did this. You sir are a f**king monster no better than the animals that are killing citizens in Iran.
highhopes on June 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM
No tragedy there. Woman must weigh 270!
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM
I agree
JonRoss on June 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM
I don’t have a church, nitwit. Nor do you or I know to what extent her Muslim beliefs go, as I said. Therefore, I can’t despise her beliefs. Now go back to grooming the fur of your mate.
MadisonConservative on June 21, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Hey, you missed the latest talking points. Back off there buddy.
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:54 PM
I’m glad it’s taken Obarfo so long.
blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:54 PM
He is too busy flinging poo..
William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Well, yes, and why not? It’s working, and obviously welcome. He couldn’t do it alone.
exception on June 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM
“And if Cheney and Bolton had ahd their way, she’d have been “collateral damage.”
that’s a collosally stupid statement, even for u …
Buckaroo on June 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM
What’s eating me in all this, especially after seeing the video of Neda being killed in cold blood, is the idea that the government of Iran is still being considered by this administration as a faithful “partner” for peace, thereby preventing us from taking a hard stand against the regime out of fear of being a “foil“ for the protestors, and making diplomacy difficult after this all shakes out. Underlying all this is the intrinsic legitimacy that Obama’s administration assumes exists within the Iranian government, which is simply irrational. When I think that…it infuriates me to no end.
Weight of Glory on June 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Robust debate.
Right, Blow Skins?
blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM
I mean grow fins
blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Remember the phrase
Barrels and Bullets :: Soft Serve and Sprinkles.
blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:56 PM
No, I would say GF is too busy EATING poo…
JonRoss on June 21, 2009 at 7:57 PM
And your true shitbird nature emerges in all it’s repulsiveness. You don’t care about her or her looks. You are simply here to regurgitate your hate for conservatives. Do us a favor will ya? Don’t try to be a caring human being. The way you do it gives those of us whom REALLY care about her an upset stomach.
csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:57 PM
But don’t take my word for it!
HondaV65 on June 21,2009 at 7:34PM.
HondaV65:
After reading his speech,and calling the Mullah’s ‘WITCHES’
using ‘WITCHCRAFT,he has signed his own death warrant!
To me,in his speech,its going to be an all out civil war,especially if his supporters are just as willing to
die,as the other side!!
Irregardless,Neda,has becoming that spark,or Symbol for
the Iranians to rally around!!
canopfor on June 21, 2009 at 7:57 PM
She is beautiful. It wouldn’t be less tragic if she were ugly, but her youth, beauty and education can become an unifying symbol contrasting the ugliness of the authoritarian regime. If there is justice her image will help coalesce world opinion against the Iranian leaders and foster the growth of democracy.
dedalus on June 21, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Tell me, what is your idea of Cheney and Bolton “getting their way”?
Weight of Glory on June 21, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Limerick and I jinxed it this morning when we mentioned the lack of trolls (as did probably 50 other commenters)..
blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Remember this is the BHO who said that all nations are equal this last week. Few here voted for this moron, but what have we done?
Mojave Mark on June 21, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Why not? It’s not uncommon for people to become more emotional over the murder of someone young because of the sense of a lost future. And those who are young also identify more closely with those of the same age.
Blake on June 21, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Hardly. There’s a lot of faux gnashing of teeth and rending of garments going on over the death of this (beautiful) woman here, most of which I call BS on. Because this all comes from the same people who couldn’t care less if innocent people die (beautiful or otherwise) in other less poiltically convenient circumstances.
It’s called hypocrisy. Look it up in the dictionary.
At least BL@KBIRD is consistent in his perpetual Muslim-hatred.
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 7:59 PM
The Iranian government is already moving to squelch the uprising . They are killing people. If we now come out strong now I do not think it will get much tougher. To not do so is inhumane.
CWforFreedom on June 21, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Grow fins is hijacking the thread.
A typical koskiddie tactic.
Please don’t respond to it.
ArmyAunt on June 21, 2009 at 7:59 PM
I am appalled by the shallowness of some of the discourse so far.
csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Nice try. But he said “beautiful,” not “young.”
Grow Fins on June 21, 2009 at 8:00 PM
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