Iran escalation: Rafsanjani’s daughter arrested; Update: Full speed ahead on negotiations, says Lugar; Update: Rafsanjani’s daughter released; Update: Clerics mulling replacing Khamenei with committee? Update: Guardian council admits there were more votes than voters

posted at 11:18 am on June 21, 2009 by Allahpundit

There’s a hot rumor going around on Twitter that Mousavi’s been arrested too but I can’t find anything online to back that up. Rafsanjani’s daughter has been detained, though, along with four other members of the family, although we should call that what it is and refer to it more properly as hostage-taking. Rafsanjani himself is widely thought to be rounding up clerical opposition to the regime; now he knows the price he’ll pay if he follows through.

Tehran itself is reportedly “eerily calm” today, and some of the Iranian Tweeters who have been updating constantly have gone conspicuously, ominously silent in the last few hours. Even so, the government’s kicking out BBC reporters in preparation for god knows what. It’s a testament to how peaceful the protesters have been so far that Iranian state TV is forced to run inane news coverage of Wimbledon instead of showcasing footage of Mousavi supporters behaving violently, although rare examples of people fighting back are trickling out online. You saw one of them late last night in that vid I posted of protesters supposedly igniting a Basij gas line; here’s another stirring clip posted this morning of the crowd facing down the Basij and chasing them off. Below that is footage of what purports to be protesters coping with that mysterious burning agent being dropped by Iranian helicopters. Looks like they’re reacting to regular old tear gas to me, but you be the judge. More updates to follow as news breaks, needless to say.

Update: Republican Dick Lugar predicts a “very brutal outcome” to the uprising — and says the U.S. should negotiate with the regime anyway. Way to cover Obama’s ass, Dick. He and The One are pals, incidentally; I wonder if he said this at his behest.

Update: Keep your eye on statements from Ali Larijani. He’s the former chief nuke negotiator and current head of Iran’s parliament. He’s also a favorite of Khamenei and a bitter enemy of Ahmadinejad, which puts him in an awkward position under the circumstances. NIAC reports that he accused the Guardian Council this morning of taking Ahmadinejad’s side, which could suggest that he’s tilting away from Khamenei and the regime and towards Mousavi. That’d be a significant defection, if so.

Update: The 4:20 update at the NYT’s grand round-up of today’s (non-)action in Tehran claims that Rafsanjani’s daughter has been released. I guess this was a shot across the bow from the regime at what awaits his family if he presses on with rallying clerical sentiment against them. Which, according to Al-Arabiya, is precisely what’s he doing:

The influential Rafsanjani, 57, heads two very powerful groups. The most important one is the Assembly of Experts, made up of senior clerics who can elect and dismiss the supreme leader. The second is the Expediency Council, a body that arbitrates disputes between parliament and the unelected Guardian Council, which can block legislation.

Members of the assembly are reportedly considering forming a collective ruling body and scrapping the model of Ayatollah Khomeini as a way out of the civil crisis that has engulfed Tehran in a series of protests,

The discussions have taken place in a series of secret meetings convened in the holy city of Qom and included Jawad al-Shahristani, the supreme representative of Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who is the foremost Shiite leader in Iraq.

Update: An ABC reporter in Tehran is tweeting that all of Mousavi’s top aides have been arrested, although I don’t see that confirmed anywhere else. If it’s true, presumably they’ll be released shortly as part of the some sort of warning Rafsanjani’s daughter got. What’s undeniably true is that state media’s ramping up the rhetoric against him as a prelude to arresting the man himself if this drags on much longer.

In other news, The One is playing golf today. Yes, really.

Update: Mousavi’s allies tell ABC that more than 700 supporters have been detained this past week. Follow the link and see how many journalists are being locked up, too.

Update: No rigging here. Mind you, this comes off from Iran’s own state media.

Iran’s Guardian Council has suggested that the number of votes collected in 50 cities surpass the number of people eligible to cast ballot in those areas.

The council’s Spokesman Abbas-Ali Kadkhodaei, who was speaking on the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) Channel 2 on Sunday, made the remarks in response to complaints filed by Mohsen Rezaei — a defeated candidate in the June 12 Presidential election.

“Statistics provided by Mohsen Rezaei in which he claims more than 100% of those eligible have cast their ballot in 170 cities are not accurate — the incident has happened in only 50 cities,” Kadkhodaei said.

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In other news, The One is playing golf today.

Thank god he can finally relax with a round of golf after the stress of eating that ice cream yesterday.

AUINSC on June 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM

When the Vatican says

Jump!

You say

How high!?!?

blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM

And if you think your neighbors declaring war upon you is stabilizing then you don’t understand the meaning of the word.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 6:53 PM

I agree, but what is Israel supposed to do to calm them down and how does the US pulling our support help that?

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 6:59 PM

I’ve been told that as a Catholic, I get my weekly marching orders straight from the Vatican. So, if I don’t vote according to the Vatican, then I’m blamed for Obama. But, if I do vote according to the Vatican, then my allegiances are suspect. Guilty whatever I do.

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Hey… All I’m saying is that if you don’t get your fellow Catholics to stop supporting Obama, we might need to cut off dialogue with the Pope ;)

BTW, I think “our” current Pope is a lot better than Obama!

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 6:59 PM

I understand your point now. If Jews were a monolithic group I could entertain the idea. If they were a majority of this country I’ consider that also. But the fact is that the Jews whom voted for that despicable Chicago thug are a very small majority of this country. I believe that having Israel as an ally in the ME benefits most Americans and trading that benefit so we can make a bunch of ignorant Jewish voters suffer the consequences of their vote just doesn’t seem wise.

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 6:56 PM

It’s symbolic and, as a group they are more powerful and wealthy than any other per memeber. 80% of them went for Obama. If you think I’m the only one who started questioning his support for Israel as a result then I think you’re in for a surprise. I don’t stand up for people who don’t first stand up for themselves.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 6:59 PM

When the Vatican says

Jump!

You say

How high!?!?

blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM

When they say drink out of this dirty cup that 100 other people have, you say, “Do I really have to?”

Sorry, Lox… We non-Catholics like our small cups of grape juice (lame, I know…)

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Clerics mulling replacing Khamenei with committee?

Just saw this… I wonder what crooks they have lined up…

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 7:01 PM

How high!?!?

blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 6:58 PM

You misunderestimate me. I don’t have to ask. I know.

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

I agree, but what is Israel supposed to do to calm them down and how does the US pulling our support help that?

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 6:59 PM

There isn’t much they can do that they haven’t tried to do already. I’m not advocating the US pull its support. All I’m saying is, don’t come crying to me when Obama starts sh!ting all over you. You had your chance to express your preference and you did. Nopw live with it, and leave me alone.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

You misunderestimate me. I don’t have to ask. I know.

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

BB, Lox Pwned you ;)

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

BB, Lox Pwned you ;)

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

Only because I let him

blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:03 PM

i’m an Episcopalian. we drink our Communion wine (real) out of one chalice for all.

kelley in virginia on June 21, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Only because I let him

blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Taking it easy on the Hermit [Crab] are we?

Well, he likes getting slapped around. Just ask Katy.

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 7:04 PM

You are forewarned, please don’t watch as this is graphic. The evil that is being fomented in the ME is incredible. God Bless all the innocents that die at hands of all murderous regimes, Christian, Jew, and Muslim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbdEf0QRsLM

True_King on June 21, 2009 at 7:04 PM

and there is no way you can run a country by committee. someone will emerge as the leader. or there will be a shadow leader. but there is always a lead dog.

kelley in virginia on June 21, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Oh, how are things going with those democracies in Pakistan and Gaza? Lebanon?

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 6:56 PM

The three traits you named were:

1) Stable

2) Respect essential God given rights

3) Allow for a reasonable form of Justice.

#2 and #3 don’t apply to any of those countries. As a matter of fact, Islamic law is decidedly un-democratic at it’s core. Women are of less value than men. Stoning women to death is reasonable justice? Pakistan is stable? Gaza is stable? Lebanon is stable?

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Just ask Katy.

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 7:04 PM

HM?

blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:05 PM

i’m an Episcopalian. we drink our Communion wine (real) out of one chalice for all.

kelley in virginia on June 21, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Ewww…

OK, us non-Catholics and non-Episcopalians…

Don’t worry, where I’m from, people act like they got drunk on the same cup of wine (which I think they’d say was actually true).

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Bless you for getting us back on topic. Can we stay here?

Update: Mousavi’s allies tell ABC that more than 700 supporters have been detained this past week. Follow the link and see how many journalists are being locked up, too.

The linked ABC headline is: Iranian Govt Trying to ‘Cut the Head Off’ Opposition

Democracy in action.

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:06 PM

You are forewarned, please don’t watch as this is graphic. The evil that is being fomented in the ME is incredible. God Bless all the innocents that die at hands of all murderous regimes, Christian, Jew, and Muslim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbdEf0QRsLM

True_King on June 21, 2009 at 7:04 PM

That’s Neda.

LeBron on June 21, 2009 at 7:06 PM

#2 and #3 don’t apply to any of those countries. As a matter of fact, Islamic law is decidedly un-democratic at it’s core. Women are of less value than men. Stoning women to death is reasonable justice? Pakistan is stable? Gaza is stable? Lebanon is stable?

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Yeah, I know. But they are your cherished democracies. So I don’t know what your point is. Again, didn’t they all just get together and say, whatever Allah wants from us, that’s how we’re going to govern…?

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Bless you for getting us back on topic. Can we stay here?

I was afraid AP would kick us off ;)

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 7:08 PM

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:05 PM

To finish my point, those are not true democracies because they violate the rights you named. Our founding fathers started with a belief, among others, that religious freedom is very important. This is a show of respect to those of other faiths. The countries you named are more theocratic than democratic. And that places them squarely in the category of others forms of governance.

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:10 PM

In other news, The One is playing golf today.

He’s failing the Biden-predicted international “test”.

jgapinoy on June 21, 2009 at 7:12 PM

can you imagine if it is an Iraqi (Sistani) who becomes king maker for Iran? That would be something!

rob verdi on June 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Members of the assembly are reportedly considering forming a collective ruling body and scrapping the model of Ayatollah Khomeini as a way out of the civil crisis that has engulfed Tehran in a series of protests,

In other news: the US Congress is considering scrapping Speaker of the house Nancy Pelosi and replacing her with ranking member Barney Frank.

katy on June 21, 2009 at 7:15 PM

If 80% of American Christians turn their back on a tiny Christian nation in a sea of hsotility over its very existence and receives more US aid than any other Nation and whos friendship comes at a heavy cost, then yes.

Until then, let’s discuss Israel and 80% of American Jews voting for Obama and the consequences that support has on the future of Israel.

In all candor, Israeli Jews better wake up the American Jews. It’s your responsibility to let them know how you all feel.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 6:48 PM

I can’t force people to vote like I do, we’re living in a democracy remember? Americans don’t choose their candidates based on some kind of a sinister agenda, they truly believe that this is the best guy for the job. Should I stop loving this country because the majority voted for that Douchbag? I don’t understand your reasoning to stop caring for Israel. If your friend has a friend that is liberal should you stop caring about that friend? Or the answer differs if you loaned that friend money or not?

If Obama destroys this country or any other country because his naiveté and flat out stupidity, I can’t blame it on anyone else but the Douchbag himself, his team at the White House and the MSM.

Michelle Dubois on June 21, 2009 at 7:15 PM

I don’t stand up for people who don’t first stand up for themselves.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 6:59 PM

I don’t stand up for any deranged fool who voted for that sack of crap, unless it is their right to do so.

Do we know what percentage of Jews in Israel that support Ochimpy? Ya know, even at that, if an Israeli alliance benefits America, I can live with the fact that the citizens are hateful toward us.

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:15 PM

I have just finished reading this thread and I sure didn’t like where it was going. The abandonment of Israel should never be a consideration and certainly not based on what people, who share a heritage but not an ideology, in the U.S. do with their vote. I am sure that what Israel gives us in intelligence from that part of the world is worth every penny it costs us. If we start withholding support from a trusted ally because of a vote or money then we don’t deserve to ever “win” again.

Cindy Munford on June 21, 2009 at 7:16 PM

You had your chance to express your preference and you did. Nopw live with it, and leave me alone.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM

OK cool. You and I are in complete agreement on that point. They made their bed and now they can sleep in it and they wont get one iota of sympathy from me until they humble themselves, admit their error in judgment, and get back on the right path.

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:17 PM

So Obama was worshipping at The Church of The 18 Fairways again, huh? What a lightweight President we have. President Pantywaist.

kingsjester on June 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM

I can’t force people to vote like I do, we’re living in a democracy remember? Americans don’t choose their candidates based on some kind of a sinister agenda, they truly believe that this is the best guy for the job.

Michelle Dubois on June 21, 2009 at 7:15 PM

There are a disturbing number of people who disagree with you. I’ve seen plenty of them on here, and even have them in my own family.

MadisonConservative on June 21, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Caption Contest!
President Barack Obama steers the cart with his golfing partner, Vice President Joe Biden

The Persian Golf War

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM

William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM

If AQ/Taliban EVER got their hands on a nuke, I would literally

physically

FORCE ALL of my family out of NYC.

And AP.

blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Cindy Munford on June 21, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Thank you.

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:22 PM

In other news, The One is playing golf today. Yes, really.

C’mon, Allahpundit, quit MichaelMooreing The One.

Ira on June 21, 2009 at 7:24 PM

President Barack Obama steers the cart with his golfing partner, Vice President Joe Biden

Obama shows his concerns for Iran on “the green.”

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM

The CannonGolfball Run…

ladyingray on June 21, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Better: The Presidential Winkie Chant

ladyingray on June 21, 2009 at 7:25 PM

I was afraid AP would kick us off ;)

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 7:08 PM

He has gotten so alpha lately. Scary!

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:25 PM

OK cool. You and I are in complete agreement on that point. They made their bed and now they can sleep in it and they wont get one iota of sympathy from me until they humble themselves, admit their error in judgment, and get back on the right path.

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Amen.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 7:25 PM

can you imagine if it is an Iraqi (Sistani) who becomes king maker for Iran? That would be something!

rob verdi on June 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Yes. Even though Sistani could be the hero of Iraq by reigning in punkmullah al Sadr…remember-absolute power corrupts absolutley.

Browndog on June 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Better: The Presidential Winkie Chant

ladyingray on June 21, 2009 at 7:25 PM

And as so many braggarts, Obama has such a small Winkie.

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:27 PM

President Barack Obama steers the cart with his golfing partner, Vice President Joe Biden

Cad – e shack

William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Let’s defend Israel, but not be their biatch.

If they wanna strike Irans nuke sites, we could do that

IF they want a ground war, THEY can do that.

blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Michelle Dubois on June 21, 2009 at 7:15 PM

I understand but I see no effort to even try.

You know what the Arabs did to support Obama…

Again, if Jews don’t seem to care what Obama will do to Israel then I’d be a fool to care.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 7:07 PM

OK, an Islamic society can be stable, but it cannot encompass your other goals. Only a democracy can accomplish that. Only a democracy, as in Turkey, can the citizens decide to separate church from state and thus free the citizens from the horror of Muslim “Justice” and “fairness” toward their citizenry. And even Turkey is far from ideal.

Our founding fathers came from a religious background that made them desire freedom from oppressive governance. These countries that are fledgling democracies come from a religion that demands a culture of subservience. So yes, their “democracies” wont be like ours until they get their religion out of the day to day running of the government. It will be a long haul, but without democracy, they will NEVER shed those shackles. And there is no other form of governance on earth that has a chance to do so.

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:29 PM

C’mon, Allahpundit, quit MichaelMooreing The One.

Ira on June 21, 2009 at 7:24 PM

But someone has to Moor The Rudderless One.

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:29 PM

I just sent allah and ed a link that an Al Qaeda spokesman said that they want to seize Pakistan’s nukes to use them on the west.

William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM

I wonder if the blast wave from Chicago would reach this far north…

Either way, I ain’t runnin’. No offense BB, but they aren’t going to successfully terrorize me. Even with Captain Rocky Road at the helm, all they’re going to get is a big friggin’ middle finger.

MadisonConservative on June 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM

There are a disturbing number of people who disagree with you. I’ve seen plenty of them on here, and even have them in my own family.

MadisonConservative on June 21, 2009 at 7:19 PM

I think this kind of attitude is more common among liberals, but then again, I could be wrong :)

Michelle Dubois on June 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM

“It feels good to stretch the legs after crouching under my desk all week.”

ronsfi on June 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM

IF they want a ground war, THEY can do that.

blatantblue on June 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM

I agree, but an annihilated Israel is not an option. We would have to come to their aid if requested. First, material support, then Air and Naval power, and lastly, we send in the troops.

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:33 PM

Amen.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 7:25 PM

I appreciate your line of reasoning in these comments about Am. Jews and their lack of support for Israel. But I’m one and am estranged from family and community over that, and other issues having to do with Obama. I can understand u being pissed at Am. jewish liberalism–so am I. But throwing Israel under the bus to punish liberals who are jews in name only seems like punishing the victim instead of the offender. I’m paying a hugely steep personal price for my point of view.

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM

In other news, The One is playing golf today. Yes, really.

I don’t know AP, maybe we’re just being cynical. Surely the ice cream yesterday, the gold today is all about nuance. Yeah, that’s it…nuance.

CarolynM on June 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Again, if Jews don’t seem to care what Obama will do to Israel then I’d be a fool to care.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM

I asked you before but you didn’t answer. Will you destroy the righteous with the guilty. That’s what Abraham asked God re. Sodom. Because some jews worship the golden calf, you want to turn your back on israel?

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2009 at 7:38 PM

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2009 at 7:34 PM

I’m not saying throw Israel under the bus. What I am saying is American Jews have to lead the way to stop Obama from doing so. I ain’t doing it. They made their choice. Now they have to lead the way in dealing with that choice.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Caption Contest!
President Barack Obama steers the cart with his golfing partner, Vice President Joe Biden
Loxodonta on June 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM

What, me worry?

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:39 PM

What I am saying is American Jews have to lead the way to stop Obama from doing so.

They’re not going to! They’re lost! Help those of us who aren’t, if you can. Thank you, sincerely.

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2009 at 7:39 PM

Obama “I wont invade pokistan”

He did that interveiw tonight.

Puts AL Qaeda getting nukes in perspective.

William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Again, if Jews don’t seem to care what Obama will do to Israel then I’d be a fool to care.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM

I care, isn’t that enough? :)

Maybe a miracle will happen and the Iranians will manage to topple the Ayatollahs all on their own. Such a miracle would solve a lot of problems, but not the one with having a Douchbag running the US government. Even worse, he might take the credit and we’ll have him for 4 more years.

Michelle Dubois on June 21, 2009 at 7:47 PM

In other news, The One is playing golf today. Yes, really.

You have got to be #!$@ing kidding me.

Well-Armed Lamb on June 21, 2009 at 7:49 PM

You have got to be #!$@ing kidding me.

Well-Armed Lamb on June 21, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Oh, don’t worry. Michael Moore will get right on it with Fahrenheit 620.

Right?

…right?

MadisonConservative on June 21, 2009 at 7:51 PM

In other news, The One is playing golf today. Yes, really.

Sad, but we can’t expect any more than that from him. Monday he’ll be all into his photo ops and trying to get his health care agenda passed. He already reminded us of his speech in Cairo, he probably thinks that’s all he needs to say/do.

scalleywag on June 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Golf? I thought he was supposed to be some kind of super genius. Doesn’t he realize how that looks?

ronsfi on June 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Really. All I ever see Barry O doing is comedy shows, burgers, Ice Cream and Golf. WTF?

ronsfi on June 21, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Michelle Dubois on June 21, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Love the video your name links to :)

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2009 at 7:54 PM

ronsfi on June 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Golf. Hey, it’s Father’s Day…get your priorities straight.

/sarc

scalleywag on June 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Lugar is a twit. He seems more anti-American every year. I think his mind has gone. Israel will take advantage of what’s happening and likely already are taking some action. The worst thing they could do is let Barry vanilla golf know what they are doing.

wepeople on June 21, 2009 at 7:57 PM

ronsfi on June 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Hasn’t a clue, apparently. Or a care.

scalleywag on June 21, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Really. All I ever see Barry O doing is comedy shows, burgers, Ice Cream and Golf. WTF?

ronsfi on June 21, 2009 at 7:54 PM

That’s because he’s being overshadowed by the fan favorite TOTUS

Browndog on June 21, 2009 at 8:03 PM

This speaks for it self.

AKGovSarahPalinWomen worldwide watching Iran protests led by women demanding fair election & equality; their voices loud, strong; they will usher in change.

Yes this is from Gov. Palin twitter page.

Clyde5445 on June 21, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Again, if Jews don’t seem to care what Obama will do to Israel then I’d be a fool to care.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM

I find this sentiment odd, disturbing even, but I’m having trouble articulating the reasons. It seems to assume that American Jews have greater ownership of Israeli interests than anyone else, perhaps even including Israelis. I’m going to have to think about this some more.

ProfessorMiao on June 21, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Love the video your name links to :)

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2009 at 7:54 PM

It’s the same group that made the spoof on the BBC reporter. They are great. For some reason, Israeli humor gets better in times of war.

Michelle Dubois on June 21, 2009 at 8:16 PM

“Clyde5445 on June 21, 2009 at 8:04 PM”

what are the odds A.P. follows Saracuda?

/what are the odds she follows him?!?!

Buckaroo on June 21, 2009 at 8:18 PM

can you imagine if it is an Iraqi (Sistani) who becomes king maker for Iran? That would be something!

rob verdi on June 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Sistani is Iranian not Iraqi and that gives him even more credibility inside Iran.

elduende on June 21, 2009 at 8:19 PM

OK, an Islamic society can be stable, but it cannot encompass your other goals. Only a democracy can accomplish that. Only a democracy, as in Turkey, can the citizens decide to separate church from state and thus free the citizens from the horror of Muslim “Justice” and “fairness” toward their citizenry. And even Turkey is far from ideal.

Yes, even Turkey is far from ideal AND my understanding that the citizens did not get up and separate Islam from government… My understanding was that Atatürk had a strong hand in this when he help found the REPUBLIC of Turkey… Now Islam is creeping back into the government. Why? The EU insists that the Turks become more “democratic.”

Our founding fathers came from a religious background that made them desire freedom from oppressive governance. These countries that are fledgling democracies come from a religion that demands a culture of subservience.

Well, in all fairness to our founders, they came after the Reformation…

So yes, their “democracies” wont be like ours until they get their religion out of the day to day running of the government. It will be a long haul, but without democracy, they will NEVER shed those shackles. And there is no other form of governance on earth that has a chance to do so.

csdeven on June 21, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Well, that’s a big assumption. It assumes that it will actually happen. Also, didn’t the Maoist in Nepal just set up a “democracy?”

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Iran’s Guardian Council has suggested that the number of votes collected in 50 cities surpass the number of people eligible to cast ballot in those areas.

So they are stealing ACORNS tricks, eh?

ctmom on June 21, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Too bad Jimmy Carter wasn’t there to observe the election. None of this would have happened.

[/sarc]

.

GT on June 21, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Iran’s Guardian Council has suggested that the number of votes collected in 50 cities surpass the number of people eligible to cast ballot in those areas.

I KNEW ACORN was involved !

William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Golf? I thought he was supposed to be some kind of super genius. Doesn’t he realize how that looks?

ronsfi on June 21, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Don’t worry, Michael Moore will feature it in his next documentary. Right?

ctmom on June 21, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Update: No rigging here. Mind you, this comes off from Iran’s own state media.

Yeah, but it doesn’t matter at this point. Except for a few hopeless cases in the US media, everyone in the world with 2 brain cells to rub together knows it was rigged…doesn’t matter what they say on this topic now.

AUINSC on June 21, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Like everyone, I’m caught up in checking up on the latest in the protests in Iran. Just taking a step back:

The Bad: If the current Iranian regime survives, diplomacy with the illegitimate dictatorship to stop the acquisition of nuclear weapons would be problematic. Isreal would have a hard time resisting the urge to go at the Iranian nuclear sites, with or without US assent.

The Good: Fascist Theocracy topples. Syria, Hamas and Hizbullah loses Iranian support and funding, with obvious benefits to Middle East stability.

I’m not knowledable enough to figure out what would happen to the Iranian nukes eventually, considering that the Iranians got on the nuclear path while Moussavi was Prime Minister. However, a less crazy Iranian government would seem preferable to the current regime.

Fornax on June 21, 2009 at 8:48 PM

“Statistics provided by Mohsen Rezaei in which he claims more than 100% of those eligible have cast their ballot in 170 cities are not accurate — the incident has happened in only 50 cities,” Kadkhodaei said.

170 cities, no no no, that is a lie. We did not cheat nearly that much.

LastRick on June 21, 2009 at 8:58 PM

One reason we have not been as good to Israel as we should have is due to our reliance on ME oil.

Every administration over the past 30 yrs. has had to weigh our friendship with Israel with our need for an uninterrupted supply of petroleum.

This is why when I say “drill baby drill” it is not purely self serving. Simplistic maybe…still true.
HoustonRight on June 21, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Which explains why Sarah Palin negotiating the biggest private construction contract in history, ie., the natural gas pipeline from Alaska, is going to change our history from supporting terrorism by default – through our dependence on foreign oil – to one of being in control of our national economic and geo-political security.
And, anybody that doesn’t understand this and why Sarah Palin is so important and potent as a leader on both a national and local level, is simply out of touch with reality, or is a political hack and naive doofus.

I cannot state this enough: Sarah Palin is the real deal, has the spine to stand up to ANYBODY and therefore move the best interests of America forward that will IN TURN shape our geo-political stakes for decades if not centuries to come, much in the same way that Ronald Reagan has done.

We can pawntificate and harp all day long, but if we don’t get leaders elected that can ACTUALLY move America’s best interest forward, then at the end of the day we are nothing but a bunch of losing pawns and sadistic ninkompoops!!

Mcguyver on June 21, 2009 at 9:08 PM

From the ABC link -

Analysts say that the Iranian elections have posed a delicate diplomatic balancing act for this administration. If the clashes continue between the Iranian regime and the protestors, Obama could be forced to take an even stronger stance, they say.

What would we do without analysts?

Buy Danish on June 21, 2009 at 9:36 PM

What would we do without analysts?

Buy Danish on June 21, 2009 at 9:36 PM

LOL!

elduende on June 21, 2009 at 9:38 PM

In other news, The One is playing golf today. Yes, really.

“Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. … Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”

“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”

“This guy has it. But he’s gonna need your help. … We’re gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I’m asking you now, I’m asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you’re going to have to reinforce us.”

“There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, ‘Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don’t know about that decision’,” Biden continued. “Because if you think the decision is sound when they’re made, which I believe you will when they’re made, they’re not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they’re popular, they’re probably not sound.”

Now, I think I finally understand what Joe was talking about. Yes, I could see where quite a few people would get the wrong idea about Obama’s bona fides, given that everytime there is a major foreign disturbance, Barack can be found out on the golf course. Personally, though, I’m going to have to wait until the book comes out with the historical analysis in order to understand the nuance of the “Golf Strategy”.

Perhaps it’a all part of BHO’s plan to emulate one of the foremost CIC’s we have had in this country, Dwight D. Eisenhower?

parke on June 21, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Iran’s Guardian Council has suggested that the number of votes collected in 50 cities surpass the number of people eligible to cast ballot in those areas.

Yeaaahh…sounds a bit like something we talked about before our own election. No wonder Obama is a little uncomfortable.

Mommypundit on June 21, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Iran’s Guardian Council has suggested that the number of votes collected in 50 cities surpass the number of people eligible to cast ballot in those areas.

I’m sure the clerical community organizers had nothing to do with this.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 21, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Clerics mulling replacing Khamenei with committee?
Just saw this… I wonder what crooks they have lined up…

Upstater85 on June 21, 2009 at 7:01 PM

They’re probably taking their cue from Obama, the Prophet of Cairo, and installing 22 czars answerable to no one.

onlineanalyst on June 21, 2009 at 9:55 PM

They’re probably taking their cue from Obama, the Prophet of Cairo, and installing 22 czars answerable to no one.

onlineanalyst on June 21, 2009 at 9:55 PM

Wh0re Stoning Czar Imam
Forced Cl!torectomy Czar Imam
Public Display of Affection Czar Imam
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Dr.Cwac.Cwac on June 21, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Because if they’re popular, they’re probably not sound.”
parke on June 21, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Hmmmm. Barack is popular. Putting on Sheriff Joe’s hat for a moment, I’m going to conclude that Barack is “probably not sound”. Word.

Yeaaahh…sounds a bit like something we talked about before our own election. No wonder Obama is a little uncomfortable.
Mommypundit on June 21, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Didn’t that happen with Coleman v. Franken too?

Buy Danish on June 21, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Michelle Dubois on June 21, 2009 at 7:15 PM

I remind those I know at work who voted for him early and often that it is their fault he’s in office and failing to chip out.

They voted for him, not me, and I love rubbing salt in the wound.

Here’s just another example. The guy goes golfing while Iran is nearing civil war. If Biden went by himself, nobody would notice, but Potus going seems to make light of what the Iranians are going through right now.

unclesmrgol on June 21, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Update: Guardian council admits there were more votes than voters

Well, with the dead rising from the grave to vote for Obama didn’t that pretty much happen in the US too?

boomer on June 21, 2009 at 10:14 PM

We need to drop this “The One” bit.
o is the part time semi truthful
current pres.TOTUS can keep his title because I think the TOTUS will soon prove to be TOTO and pull back the curtin.Sure would like to re program TOTUS every other paragraph and see if the idiot even noticed or just kept reading away.

ptstcp that is it,
if a number is needed zero works best.

Col.John Wm. Reed on June 21, 2009 at 10:15 PM

While Barry has a T-Time we will have a T-Party-Time.

Dissent is the most sincere form of patriotism.

Put that in your cone and eat it you custard slurping Marxist.

Geochelone on June 21, 2009 at 10:21 PM

Feinstein is saying intelligence community is unaware of any actual vote tampering and Dodd is saying we have to avoid making this look like an American operation.

*vomit*

aikidoka on June 21, 2009 at 10:22 PM

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