Iran escalation: Rafsanjani’s daughter arrested; Update: Full speed ahead on negotiations, says Lugar; Update: Rafsanjani’s daughter released; Update: Clerics mulling replacing Khamenei with committee? Update: Guardian council admits there were more votes than voters

posted at 11:18 am on June 21, 2009 by Allahpundit

There’s a hot rumor going around on Twitter that Mousavi’s been arrested too but I can’t find anything online to back that up. Rafsanjani’s daughter has been detained, though, along with four other members of the family, although we should call that what it is and refer to it more properly as hostage-taking. Rafsanjani himself is widely thought to be rounding up clerical opposition to the regime; now he knows the price he’ll pay if he follows through.

Tehran itself is reportedly “eerily calm” today, and some of the Iranian Tweeters who have been updating constantly have gone conspicuously, ominously silent in the last few hours. Even so, the government’s kicking out BBC reporters in preparation for god knows what. It’s a testament to how peaceful the protesters have been so far that Iranian state TV is forced to run inane news coverage of Wimbledon instead of showcasing footage of Mousavi supporters behaving violently, although rare examples of people fighting back are trickling out online. You saw one of them late last night in that vid I posted of protesters supposedly igniting a Basij gas line; here’s another stirring clip posted this morning of the crowd facing down the Basij and chasing them off. Below that is footage of what purports to be protesters coping with that mysterious burning agent being dropped by Iranian helicopters. Looks like they’re reacting to regular old tear gas to me, but you be the judge. More updates to follow as news breaks, needless to say.

Update: Republican Dick Lugar predicts a “very brutal outcome” to the uprising — and says the U.S. should negotiate with the regime anyway. Way to cover Obama’s ass, Dick. He and The One are pals, incidentally; I wonder if he said this at his behest.

Update: Keep your eye on statements from Ali Larijani. He’s the former chief nuke negotiator and current head of Iran’s parliament. He’s also a favorite of Khamenei and a bitter enemy of Ahmadinejad, which puts him in an awkward position under the circumstances. NIAC reports that he accused the Guardian Council this morning of taking Ahmadinejad’s side, which could suggest that he’s tilting away from Khamenei and the regime and towards Mousavi. That’d be a significant defection, if so.

Update: The 4:20 update at the NYT’s grand round-up of today’s (non-)action in Tehran claims that Rafsanjani’s daughter has been released. I guess this was a shot across the bow from the regime at what awaits his family if he presses on with rallying clerical sentiment against them. Which, according to Al-Arabiya, is precisely what’s he doing:

The influential Rafsanjani, 57, heads two very powerful groups. The most important one is the Assembly of Experts, made up of senior clerics who can elect and dismiss the supreme leader. The second is the Expediency Council, a body that arbitrates disputes between parliament and the unelected Guardian Council, which can block legislation.

Members of the assembly are reportedly considering forming a collective ruling body and scrapping the model of Ayatollah Khomeini as a way out of the civil crisis that has engulfed Tehran in a series of protests,

The discussions have taken place in a series of secret meetings convened in the holy city of Qom and included Jawad al-Shahristani, the supreme representative of Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who is the foremost Shiite leader in Iraq.

Update: An ABC reporter in Tehran is tweeting that all of Mousavi’s top aides have been arrested, although I don’t see that confirmed anywhere else. If it’s true, presumably they’ll be released shortly as part of the some sort of warning Rafsanjani’s daughter got. What’s undeniably true is that state media’s ramping up the rhetoric against him as a prelude to arresting the man himself if this drags on much longer.

In other news, The One is playing golf today. Yes, really.

Update: Mousavi’s allies tell ABC that more than 700 supporters have been detained this past week. Follow the link and see how many journalists are being locked up, too.

Update: No rigging here. Mind you, this comes off from Iran’s own state media.

Iran’s Guardian Council has suggested that the number of votes collected in 50 cities surpass the number of people eligible to cast ballot in those areas.

The council’s Spokesman Abbas-Ali Kadkhodaei, who was speaking on the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) Channel 2 on Sunday, made the remarks in response to complaints filed by Mohsen Rezaei — a defeated candidate in the June 12 Presidential election.

“Statistics provided by Mohsen Rezaei in which he claims more than 100% of those eligible have cast their ballot in 170 cities are not accurate — the incident has happened in only 50 cities,” Kadkhodaei said.

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There was just a Iranian girl (student?) being interviewed on Fox. She wanted to make clear that they do not want to overthrow the regime, they want the political process to go forward as it was designed to do under the existing regime setup.

She acknowledges the brutality and corruption, but refuses to lay it at the feet of the supreme leader.

Man, if you think things are bad in Iran now, wait till they really start waking up to the reality of what their government is. They’re protesting the loss of their vote, but they, at least according to this girl, don’t seem to get the whole picture.

Spiritk9 on June 21, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Lugar has always been the epitome of a witless RINO tool. Personally, I’ve always had more distaste for him than either of the two women senators from the northeast (Snowe & Collins) and even flip flopping Spector.

Webrider on June 21, 2009 at 11:27 AM

full speed ahead on negotiations???

sick. and i was never one for morality in foreign policy…but all these videos of kids dying has got me feeling differently about right and wrong in this world. watching that regime murder its people in cold blood…and then offering negotiations? concessions even?

sick.

ernesto on June 21, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Lugar is nothing but a tool. Negotiate with such an odious regime? What is to be gained? They’re fools if they think they’ll give up nukes.

changer1701 on June 21, 2009 at 11:28 AM

wait till they really start waking up to the reality of what their government is.

I think we can all relate to that in one way or another.

Greg Toombs on June 21, 2009 at 11:29 AM

The Iranian young lady on Fox this a.m. thought hussein had just the right note concerning the protests in Iran…

My sympathies are waning.

nondhimmie on June 21, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Update: Republican Dick Lugar predicts a “very brutal outcome” to the uprising — and says the U.S. should negotiate with the regime anyway.

See, we should all become RINOs like Dick…he’s a ‘big tent’ kinda guy. If we don’t, then we’ll become irrelevant as a party or something.

AUINSC on June 21, 2009 at 11:30 AM

There are solutions to the Iranian nuke problem other than negotiations, which will probably be pointless anyway.

After this past week of watching the mullahs, I do not want my president sitting down with them. I do not want my Sec of State sitting down with them. I do not want my special Iran envoy sitting down with them. I do not want some lowly White House intern sitting down with them.

Obama is too eager for this meeting and for these negotiations. He will give away the store and the already chaotic “security” of the midddle east. He was going to do that before this uprising. He’ll be even more eager to do it once the dissidents have been put down.

Lugar is a complete disgrace to carry this water.

myrenovations on June 21, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Dianne Feinstein Agrees

U.S. intelligence has not meddled in the mass protests sweeping Iran, and its ability “to get in there and change the course of human events is very low,” the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee said Sunday.

The senator from California said U.S. intelligence on Iran was not good.

“I think it’s a very difficult country in which to collect intelligence right now. So I think our ability to get in there and change the course of human events is very low, to be very candid with you,” she said.

William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Lugar and other Reps need to be sat down in front of an anatomy professor and shown exactly where the human jugular is.

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Yes, by all means, lets go full ahead with negotiations with a regime mowing down it’s own citizens in the streets.

This is that vaunted “higher moral ground” that Obama was so desperate to recapture after Bush liberated Afghanistan and Iraq?

Techie on June 21, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Lugar and other Reps need to be sat down in front of an anatomy professor and shown exactly where the human jugular is.

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Testicles. They need to find where their missing ones are.

William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Since the Iranians have been supplying insurgency in Iraq for years, even to the point of working with their “hated enemies” the Sunnis, I think we should back convoys of trucks loaded with bombs, grenades, ammo and guns up to the border and just say c’mon folks, it’s all free take what you want! Let the Mullah’s get some payback for *their* meddling in Iraq.

Webrider on June 21, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Lugar is a despicable cancer on the GOP.

He needs to be forced out.

artist on June 21, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Methinks the Iranian girl is a gov’t stooge.

artist on June 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Update about Larijani…..just yesterday the JP and BBC reported that he was backing the Supreme Leader. Significant indeed if he is becoming a waffle.

Limerick on June 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Lugar should be taken outside and horse whipped, tarred and feathered at the least.

Anyone of any note who says anything at this time, in the midst of this uprising, that supports or even hints at support for dinnerjacket and crew should be shamed and mocked in the public square. It doesn’t matter even if you pretend to know the outcome.

Lugar is another reason that the Repubs are backbenchers.

patrick neid on June 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Lugar is a despicable cancer on the GOP.

He needs to be forced out.

artist on June 21, 2009 at 11:35 AM

The more you write that the more the DC Insiders will start calling him a frontrunner for the 2012 nomination.

myrenovations on June 21, 2009 at 11:38 AM

I can’t stand this anymore. Last night Amanapour interviewed the co-creater of the Basij. He said it honestly looks more like Revolution to him and that the open dishonesty the government uses will not allow the people to return to business as usual. Now this?

I give up. I can no longer emotionally invest myself in this BS. News turning on a dime? ABC hasn’t even aired it’s infomercial & we go from majority not liking Universal Healthcare & Global Warming to 70% liking Universal Healthcare?

Something simply isn’t right. I do not like my heart & mind played with by anyone! It’s Sunday. I’m going to pray. “I” need it.

Sultry Beauty on June 21, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Seeing those Iranians on fox supporting the mullahs, are very troublesome. Are they afraid for their families, or are they that brainwashed they are willing to walk right into the same fire?

fourdeucer on June 21, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Larijani probably has been told “or else” and doesn’t dare take a chance. Wish more of the Iranian men had the stones the women in the street are showing. Of course, they (the men) aren’t suppressed to the degree women are, in all these Muslim countries.

Webrider on June 21, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Richard Lugar is still with us?

JammieWearingFool on June 21, 2009 at 11:39 AM

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katy on June 21, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Lugar, Obama, the entire MSM….this is about keeping the boat on course. They had an action plan and the peon Iranian protesters are going to shred it.

Limerick on June 21, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Our intelligence is going to be low period. There is an obvious move taking place to further weaken the CIA. Just last weekend on Fox, there was a story about Nancy Pelosi, in connection with this clap trap about reading Miranda on the battlefield, she along with Obama Administration are moving what is normal CIA powers to the FBI. My feeling is we are going to be flying blind a lot. I believe this is going to be pre-9/11 bad. Or worse.

freeus on June 21, 2009 at 11:40 AM

that wasn’t tear gas, no way. I have been tear gassed you don’t walk around like you drunk afterwards. I think its similar to that gas the Russians used on the opera house that killed so many by “accident”, it was suppose to make everyone lethargic.

rob verdi on June 21, 2009 at 11:40 AM

I miss America.

faraway on June 21, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Richard Lugar is still with us?

JammieWearingFool on June 21, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Do you mean “still with us” as in “alive” or as in “still a Republican?”

Either way…

IrishEi on June 21, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Seeing those Iranians on fox supporting the mullahs, are very troublesome. Are they afraid for their families, or are they that brainwashed they are willing to walk right into the same fire?

fourdeucer on June 21, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Perhaps that have heard that if they are only protesting the election they will only get 10 years in prison and severely beaten.

But if they are protesting the regime and aiming for revolution they will be tortured, imprisoned and then killed along with their entire family.

myrenovations on June 21, 2009 at 11:42 AM

June 21 (Bloomberg) — At least 10 protesters were killed in Iran and, in a sign of widening divisions within the regime, state media reported that security forces detained five members of former President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani’s family.

Rafsanjani, one of the most influential politicians in Iran, is a behind-the-scenes supporter of opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, who says that June 12 elections were rigged in favor of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. That puts him in conflict with Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei who has approved of the electoral win.

Step Up: Look Who is Going to Be Martyred Next. This Is A Bloody Chess Game. The Stakes Are Too High For Them To Back Down. The Opposition Knew This Was Part Of the Price Tag When They Started. This Isn’t a Paper Tiger They Are Taking Down.

Dr Evil on June 21, 2009 at 11:42 AM

So while I’m typing you add this about Sen. Lugar? People he’s not JUST a RINO. It’s like someone said in, I think, one of the ice cream threads: all we need is ONE asshat RINO to call for negotiations with these thugs for Pres. Obama to have his ‘cover’ to do the same. SHAZAAM!!!! There’s your asshat!!!!

Sultry Beauty on June 21, 2009 at 11:43 AM

If such a place exists, there has got to be a special place in Hell for that Judas Goat, Dick Lugar.

MB4 on June 21, 2009 at 11:43 AM

How is Fox News interviewing protestors in Iran? I thought all of the regular media was kicked out.

myrenovations on June 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Just heard on FOX…Reporters and bloggers being arrested.

IrishEi on June 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Dick Lugar predicts a “very brutal outcome” to the uprising — and says the U.S. should negotiate with the regime anyway.

An exchange from yesterday comes to mind:

I heard that part of his statement too. But I haven’t heard any of our pols making an issue of it. Why do our guys let him get away so easily with absurd crap like this.

petefrt on June 20, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Because they lack cojones. Which is why it is time for a new party, the Grandes Cojones party. Most of “our guys” are no different than “their guys” and need to go

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM

freeus, of course that is what they are doing. CIA is prohibited from domestic spying. But… the FBI is NOT, and this way the communists (aka Democraps) can spy legally on all of us.

Webrider on June 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM

AUINSC on June 21, 2009 at 11:30 AM

That’s what the RINO’s do; drop their pants for the Democrats and then congratulate themselves on their open-mindedness. If the Lugar model is the way the GOP decides to go, the party has no electoral future. There is nothing to distinguish them from the Democrats; the Democrats, wrong headed and crazy as they may be, at least believe in their nonsense. Lugar, and all the other moderate ‘can’t we all just get along’ butt kissers are nothing but cowards that value media adulation over standing up for actual principles. Once they cease to be useful to the opposition, they are discarded. That is if the voters don’t chuck them first. GOP=RIP.

austinnelly on June 21, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Something simply isn’t right. I do not like my heart & mind played with by anyone! It’s Sunday. I’m going to pray. “I” need it.

Sultry Beauty on June 21, 2009 at 11:38 AM

We’re going to be shouting from our own rooftops, shortly.

artist on June 21, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Those Basiji bastards are everywhere, maybe that is why some of the interviewed Iranians seem to support the mullahs. Those are the guys Obama is talking about when he says he wants a corp equally armed, equally funded, and equally sized as our military. No uniforms so you can blend in with civilians.

fourdeucer on June 21, 2009 at 11:45 AM

We’re going to be shouting from our own rooftops, shortly.

artist on June 21, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Iranians want freedom more than we do. Can this be true?

faraway on June 21, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Hezbollah and Hamas must be frantic and calling on Dinnerjacket to chop heads. The chaos in the Iranian establishment has to be close to the critical point. From gasoline supplies to centrifuges they have to be strecthed very thin right now. All the more reason to send 7.62 and claymores across the border.

Limerick on June 21, 2009 at 11:47 AM

How is Fox News interviewing protestors in Iran? I thought all of the regular media was kicked out.

myrenovations on June 21, 2009 at 11:44 AMI think they are Iranians in this country willing to go on camera.

fourdeucer on June 21, 2009 at 11:48 AM

I am a Hoosier, I will call Lugar’s office and tell him I think that it is wrong to deal with these people. To what purpose?

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 11:48 AM

We all better wake up and realize these corrupt politicians simply pick the side they think they can win on. Underneath the are all the same and don’t give a rat’s a$$ about us. All the care about is power and what they can steal without getting caught.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 11:48 AM

ernesto,
well said if heart breaking.

rob verdi on June 21, 2009 at 11:49 AM

In Lugar’s defense…he’s always been a fence-sitting squish. He’s anybodies little puppy that will have him. It may be worse now that he’s in his dotage though…like those pathetic old dudes that try to ‘relate’ to what the younger generation is doing…maybe he’ll get some body piercings and tattoos…he’s probably grateful that the cool, hip Messiah talks to him.

AUINSC on June 21, 2009 at 11:49 AM

artist on June 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM

If I understand correctly this is an Iranian student on Fox is studying in the U.S. It’s easy to back the regime when your head isn’t being bashed in by the same regime. It’s hard for me to believe that these people are willing to die for a more believable margin of victory for Dinnerjacket.

Cindy Munford on June 21, 2009 at 11:51 AM

AUINSC on June 21, 2009 at 11:49 AM

We’ve got rid ourselves of these people. All of them. Without passion or prejudice.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Webrider on June 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I know it, and you know it, but the big one is will others finally get it?

**The interviews on Fox were from moronic kids outside Columbia, and one Courtney Keel(sp) was interviewing elsewhere here in the U.S.

freeus on June 21, 2009 at 11:52 AM

I think they are Iranians in this country willing to go on camera.

fourdeucer on June 21, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Thank you. That makes more sense.

myrenovations on June 21, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Iranian students studying here in the US have families back in Iran which means they still have to be careful about what they say on camera.

The interview statements make even more sense now.

myrenovations on June 21, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Freeus, we knew it *before* the election. That is why some many of us true conservative/libertarian sorts held our noses and voted for McCain.

Obama is nothing but a foolish, naive Marxist. I cannot even understand the continued lavish praise on him, given that he can’t hold a conversation, can’t take a position and says so many things that demonstrate his total lack of understanding of history. Pathetic.

Webrider on June 21, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Choke on it my ex country men. This is what you asked for when you ousted the Shah based on a smear campaign and propoganda and handed the country over to a bunch of religious zealots.

BillaryMcBush on June 21, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I just called Lugar’s office {202-224-4814} and told him what I thought of negotiating with the likes of the mad mullahs.

To what purpose should we negotiate? They obviously do not operate in good faith anyway. And if the mullahs are brought down or diminished in power the people of Iran might not appreciate our willingness to both ignore them and support their oppressors.

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 11:55 AM

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I’d rather get rid of these old senile fools with passion and prejudice.

AUINSC on June 21, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Just like we are now starting to choke on the election of obama.

BillaryMcBush on June 21, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Memo to Richard Lugar:

People in Iran are dying in the streets for the cause of freedom while your buddy in the White House is going out for ice cream. Wake the hell up!

Percy_Peabody on June 21, 2009 at 11:56 AM

“Choke on it my ex country men. This is what you asked for when you ousted the Shah based on a smear campaign and propoganda and handed the country over to a bunch of religious zealots.

BillaryMcBush on June 21, 2009 at 11:54 AM”

Yeah, that was because of the *worst* President in US history, before hopey/changy/dunce-in-chief Obama took that mantle from Carter.

Webrider on June 21, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Take heart. The way this administration is acting it will be bunkered down just like Jimmah was in ’80.

Limerick on June 21, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Richard Lugar is still with us?

JammieWearingFool on June 21, 2009 at 11:39 AM

He can play McCain in ’12. For now, I guess he’ll be the MSM’s fav. Rep.

JiangxiDad on June 21, 2009 at 11:57 AM

austinnelly:

Ron Paul is not a RINO. This is not about RINOS. Lugar is not doing this because he is a RINO for heavens sake. What has that got to do with anything?

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Way to cover Obama’s ass, Dick.

Great way to put it. Lugar is far past his expiration date.

aikidoka on June 21, 2009 at 11:58 AM

I am not buying the FOX interview of these kids saying it’s about their vote.

We just watched hundreds of protesters yesterday chanting “Death to Khamenei”.

katy on June 21, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Lugar could be sniffing around in order to be appointed a new Czar. I am sure Dear Leader will not be happy until there are at least 50.

Did hear that bloggers and all media sources are being rounded up. But several have said if they ramp up the violence on the people it will only enrage them and make them want to protest more. I fear we are going to see even worse vids coming out if this is the pattern the Iranians protesters follow.

Wonder if Dear Leader will address any of this on his ABC worship me ceremony?

freeus on June 21, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Wonder if Dear Leader will address any of this on his ABC worship me ceremony?

freeus on June 21, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Thanks for the reminder. Off to the phones to call ABC to make sure they know that I’ll be watching a DVD tonight.

Limerick on June 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Someone said that McCain and Lugar are the same. I am not so sure about that. This is what McCain said a few days ago.

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 12:01 PM

The senator from California said U.S. intelligence on Iran was not good.

“I think it’s a very difficult country in which to collect intelligence right now. So I think our ability to get in there and change the course of human events is very low, to be very candid with you,” she said.

Then fix it, you effing idiot!

BallisticBob on June 21, 2009 at 12:01 PM

freeus:

Lugar is on the Foreign Relations Committee and has been for years. He will negotiate with anyone. That is what they do. I don’t think his response is even political.

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Way to go, Dick.

Jim Treacher on June 21, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Is Ahmadinejad in Tehran or is he still at that summit in Russia?

Disturb the Universe on June 21, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Terrye, of course it’s political. He is not bright enough to take principled positions (and then have to defend them lucidly etc.) so he goes along with whatever way the wind seems to be blowing. In this case, given our MSM’s complete adoration for teh won it’s appease, appease, appease. Carter light indeed. I’m heartsick for *our* country, not just these poor beknighted strugglers in Iran.

Webrider on June 21, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Cindy Munford on June 21, 2009 at 11:51 AM

katy on June 21, 2009 at 11:58 AM

That was my take, but what threw me off was them saying they had been in contact with family members, and friends back home in Iran who were saying they did not want to overthrow the regime. It was directly opposite from what we are seeing, and reading. However, it does make sense when we hear from the experts that things are fractured in Iran. Some will not mind Mousavi, and others want a full fledged change across the board.

freeus on June 21, 2009 at 12:04 PM

If Ahmadinejad is dethroned, will he suddenly produce the long hidden 12th Iman?

Disturb the Universe on June 21, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Dubai-based Al-Arabiya TV said on Sunday its Tehran office, which was closed by the Iranian authorities a week ago, had been ordered to stay shut indefinitely for “unfair reporting” of the 19 June election.-BBC

Ain’t Islam grand!

Limerick on June 21, 2009 at 12:06 PM

I think we need to keep in mind that any Iranian in this country more than likely has family in Iran and they need to try to keep their family safe.

DallasE on June 21, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Those Basiji bastards are everywhere, maybe that is why some of the interviewed Iranians seem to support the mullahs. Those are the guys Obama is talking about when he says he wants a corp equally armed, equally funded, and equally sized as our military. No uniforms so you can blend in with civilians.

fourdeucer on June 21, 2009 at 11:45 AM

He can try it if he likes. I predict bad results. Basiji types without uniforms in CCW states won’t fare well.

a capella on June 21, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Webrider:

No, it is not just political. Lugar exists for the sake of negotiation. That is what the Foreign Relations people do. His attitude would undoubtedly be that we will have to talk to whoever comes out on top whether we like it or not. He will not see this as some political stand, only as a matter of fact. I called his office to tell him I disagreed with the decision, but the idea that there is some overwhelming desire on the part of professional policy makers to get in the middle of this mess is just not true.

I don’t care which side of the aisle they are on..a lot of these people will want no part of this. Especially after Iraq.

I don’t agree, but then again I am not one of them.

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 12:02 PM

You have got to be kidding! Look, I know exactly who this crap weasel is, and he would sell his grandmother to be in more power. And these Czars oversee at the moment almost a trillion dollars in total. They answer to no one, but the President. Yeah, I believe Lugar is political, and would jump at a chance to be a Czar.

freeus on June 21, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Say goodnight, Dick!

OldEnglish on June 21, 2009 at 12:09 PM

freeus on June 21, 2009 at 12:04 PM

I am going to give her the benefit of the the doubt and assume that since her name and uncovered face appeared on television she might be afraid for her family at home had she said anything different.

Cindy Munford on June 21, 2009 at 12:09 PM

The reason there are such small protests today is because yesterday the demonstrators got the snot knocked out of them. Today is a day of consolidation, a day of organization. Either they have the means or they do not. Tomorrow we’ll know.

Limerick on June 21, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Lugar’s retarded and should be removed from the Senate. What a total friggin’ moron. I can’t believe the absolute stupidity in our government. It is just unreal.

Someone get Lugar to the rubber room, stat.

progressoverpeace on June 21, 2009 at 12:10 PM

I mean after the Chinese cracked down on the demonstrators in China, did the US stop negotiating with the Chinese? Should they have? Were there RINO said yes and real Republicans who said no?

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Webrider on June 21, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Exactly…he’s invested too much in having the MSM declare him the elder foreign relations expert of the Senate. Gives him a chuffy. Guy talks too slow too.

AUINSC on June 21, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Difi mad one good point this morning. Only one. She acknowledged that the US has had a sad and dismal history of urging on this sort of thing, then not supporting it when the calls came for support. It’s sad but true. Reagan called out the Soviets on Poland, but that’s about the only time I can remember when they actually did something aside from the Iran/Contra deal in Nicaragua.

Webrider on June 21, 2009 at 12:14 PM

I trust no one in this Administration, and in the Senate who is in any foreign policy capacity. That would include some on the GOP side.

If Lugar is so good at foreign policy, then why in the hell did he not come out against Obama’s Cairo speech, and his stance on Israel. Who could forget that insane trip he and Obama took in the M.E.? Thanks, but no thanks. I pass on Lugar negotiating with anyone. I would rather have Bo the dog!

freeus on June 21, 2009 at 12:14 PM

freeus:

Lugar has a high approval rating here in Indiana, he won the office he did not steal it.

I am not saying I agree with him. I actually called his Washington office and left a message saying just that.

My only point is that to people like this, this is just business as usual. It is not overtly political.

Lugar did not support the stimulus. He did not support any kind of government health care. All the issues that are considered political he voted Republican on. He is not Snowe or Collins.

But this is not something that he looks at in the same way. That is not an excuse, it is just the way it is.

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 12:15 PM

As soon as the protesters realize the world will not come to their aid, AND some military unit joins them (for whatever reason), then it’s a revolution. Until then…it’s an uprising.

NOTE: Isn’t it interesting how after Israel’s 2006 Hezbollah war, they produced a report on how the Iranian proxy used social networking sites, YouTube, etc to foment opposition to the Israeli action…and now, those exact same tactics are key to this uprising. No doubt the Mullah’s are crying, “It’s the Jews! It’s the Jews!” but…fomenting an uprising and/or revolution would be Israel’s easiest, safest, and most effective means of thwarting/slowing the nuclear threat from Iran. Just a thought.

scottm on June 21, 2009 at 12:16 PM

What a bonehead kind of rip and read statement to make at this time Lugar. Remember when putting on your briefs next time, it goes yellow in the front and brown in the back. What a windsock repulican. Are trying for a future cabinet position or what?
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Americannodash on June 21, 2009 at 12:17 PM

“The Chinese will never cross the Yalu”………..

Iranian Air Force decides to play chicken……

Heads up, sailors. Don’t count on getting any instructions from Pennsylvania Ave. You’ll have to rely on your gut….

Limerick on June 21, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 12:10 PM

If they stopped talking to them it wasn’t for long, after all they have most favoured nation status.

Cindy Munford on June 21, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Cindy Munford on June 21, 2009 at 12:09 PM

True. Could be, especially after that vid posted on the other thread where you could hear the screams in the night while people were being attacked in their homes.

freeus on June 21, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Cindy:

That is my point. People are talking about RINOs etc, as if there was some position that real Republicans took vs the pretend ones.

But Reagan was a real Republican and he dealt with the Iranians and the Chinese and even Saddam. I am not saying this to be critical…I am only pointing out that there is a tradition in both parties of dealing with the guys in power..whoever they maybe.

Except for Castro. He was one of the few exceptions.

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 12:21 PM

And consider how much crap Bush took for actually wanting to support liberty and democracy. How many people on both sides of the aisle that treated him as if these were naive or dangerous or just plain crazy.

I think that is why so many people in Washington are standing around with their hands in their pants right now. They just do not know which side to be on.

And people can call McCain a RINO all they want, but he has never been a wuss when it came to Iran.

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 12:10 PM

That response was Bush 41′s fault (the RINO was strong with that one)…plenty of conservatives objected to that policy…

AUINSC on June 21, 2009 at 12:23 PM

I never said anything about him stealing an election. I do not care what his approval ratings are. The man has a history of being a RINO, and is a moron for releasing this kind of statement at this juncture. He hearts Obama more often than not.

It is great Terrye that you called his office, but I for one wish you did not have to make that kind of a phone call.

freeus on June 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM

USA Today

“The president of the United States is supposed to lead the free world, not follow it,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said on a Sunday morning talk show. “He’s been timid and passive more than I would like.”

William Amos on June 21, 2009 at 12:25 PM

AUINSC:

Oh please. I remember Reagan. I was alive back then. I remember when our marines were killed in Lebanon.

That was not some RINO thing, you can not blame that on Bush1, Reagan did not want to mess with the Chinese or the Muslims. He just did not. His attention was on the Soviets and their friends in Latin America.

Terrye on June 21, 2009 at 12:26 PM

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