Mousavi threatened into silence: Guardian
posted at 11:00 am on June 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
If Mirhossein Mousavi hasn’t said much publicly for the last 24 hours, either to cancel or endorse public protests, the Guardian says they know the reason. Mohsen Makhmalbaf claims that he has to speak for Mousavi — and Iran — after the Revolutionary Guard wrecked Mousavi’s offices and threatened him into silence. Makhmalbaf writes that the movement has gone beyond the sham election, and that Iranians will not return to oppression, at least not quietly:
I have been given the responsibility of telling the world what is happening in Iran. The office of Mir Hossein Mousavi, who the Iranian people truly want as their leader, has asked me to do so. They have asked me to tell how Mousavi’s headquarters was wrecked by plainclothes police officers. To tell how the commanders of the revolutionary guard ordered him to stay silent. To urge people to take to the streets because Mousavi could not do so directly.
The people in the streets don’t want a recount of last week’s vote. They want it annulled. This is a crucial moment in our history. Since the 1979 revolution Iran has had 80% dictatorship and 20% democracy. We have dictatorship because one person is in charge, the supreme leader – first Khomeini, now Khamenei. He controls the army and the clergy, the justice system and the media, as well as our oil money.
There are some examples of democracy – reformers elected to parliament, and the very fact that a person like Mousavi could stand for election. But, since the day of the election, this element of democracy has vanished. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei announced that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won, and that whoever opposed this will be suppressed – a position he affirmed speaking today in Tehran. People wanted to have demonstrations within the law, but the authorities would not let them. This is the first time we have seen millions on the streets without the permission of the supreme leader.
Now they are gathering to mourn those who have died. The people of Iran have a culture that elevates martyrdom. In the period running up to the revolution, when people were killed at demonstrations, others would gather again in the days following the death. This cycle carried on for six months, and culminated in the revolution. Today they are gathering in Tehran for those who were shot on Tuesday, and if there are more killings, this will continue.
Ahmadinejad may have been the focus of their ire in the first hours, but no longer. The people understand that the authors of their misery are Khamenei and the Guardian Council, and they want an end to it. The revolution of 30 years ago traded one form of oppression for another, and now the Iranians want their freedom.
Makhmalbaf acknowledges that Mousavi himself was a creature of the “ruling class,” as Khamenei called it, but that Mousavi has moved from violent revolution to freedom:
Previously, he was revolutionary, because everyone inside the system was a revolutionary. But now he’s a reformer. Now he knows Gandhi – before he knew only Che Guevara. If we gain power through aggression we would have to keep it through aggression. That is why we’re having a green revolution, defined by peace and democracy.
Let’s hope that’s true. His inclusion on the ballot by the same mullahs tends to make me skeptical of those claims, but if this report is true, Mousavi has already crossed the Rubicon and has nowhere to go within the ruling class.
If the Iranians want true self-determination, though, it may require Gandhi-esque toleration of the worst this regime can dish out in its final throes.










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It’s not been about Mousavi for a while now. Good to know that we won’t be seeing any Che shirts on the protesters though.
Cindy Munford on June 20, 2009 at 11:04 AM
i’m not sure mousavi is the answer. he found “gandhi” in just 2 days?
but those that want freedom are the answer.
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 11:05 AM
A very recent tweet from Iran. This is pure evil. May these people make it thru and punish these evil people and gain their freedom.
tottoritodd on June 20, 2009 at 11:06 AM
where is dick cheney? john bolton? john wayne?
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 11:06 AM
I imagine there will be more martyrs to mourn after today. And, the cycle will continue.
a capella on June 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Pray.
Saltysam on June 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Exactly right, Cindy.
Just think how the Iranian people would feel if the US President stood behind their desire for true democracy.
I miss GWB right now…
ladyingray on June 20, 2009 at 11:08 AM
I don’t care if Mousavi claims to be the second coming of of Gandhi, King and Reagan, this is not about him.
myrenovations on June 20, 2009 at 11:08 AM
did anyone ever find out why dennis ross was removed as envoy (or whatever the position) to iran earlier this week?
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 11:08 AM
C’mon, that can’t be real.
BallisticBob on June 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM
i support the freedom fighters.
however, many conservative Americans, my parents among them, supported Castro’s overthrow of Batista because they thought Batista was really bad & Castro was better.
dare we say that obama is trying to sift thru all the info?
nah
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Not saying this is not true, but how would you get enough boiling water to do any damage?
kahall on June 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM
maybe they are heating the water in the helicopter.
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 11:11 AM
The 411 is that both Mousavi and the other reform candidate were both under house arrest. I guess this is true, because they aren’t leading the protestors, it seems. I don’t think that he’d be threatened just because they wrecked his office a little. The Iranian regime apparently really wants to make this guy into a martyr for the revolution. I highly doubt that the people are going to win this one, but even EJ Dionne pointed out that the Iranian regime is more buffonish and unstable than we thought and that we should actively be working for its end.
Illinidiva on June 20, 2009 at 11:12 AM
President or not, I still hope George W. Bush will come out with a strong statement of support to Iran. He’s already thought of as an “angel of democracy” in these oppressed countries. His words will mean much.
promachus on June 20, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Yeah, on a hot plate.
kahall on June 20, 2009 at 11:12 AM
why would the regime want to make mousavi a martyr?
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Good luck Iranians, you’ll need it.
sammypants on June 20, 2009 at 11:13 AM
It’s Twitter so it must be true!
Mr. Joe on June 20, 2009 at 11:13 AM
kahall, how would i know? i thought it sounded sort of farfetched myself.
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 11:13 AM
I wish the good people of Iran the best of luck.
Now, can we focus on OUR OWN freedom fight?
artist on June 20, 2009 at 11:14 AM
This might just be spin, but the only thing I heard was that he was taking on a more important portfolio.
myrenovations on June 20, 2009 at 11:14 AM
i’m going outside to enjoy my freedom (diminishing though it may be) while i can.
thanks for all the updates. you twitterers are the best.
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 11:15 AM
The world cowers as the mullahs enslave their nation with the whole world watching. The mullahs gained power under Carter the Eunuch. Obama is Carter-lite. Freedom is definitely not in the Iranian peoples’ future. So sad so many will die as cowards watch.
volsense on June 20, 2009 at 11:15 AM
You’re not a boiling water out of helicopter expert? Just kidding around with ya over here.
kahall on June 20, 2009 at 11:16 AM
myrenovations: that is what they always say unless they say they want to spend more time with their family. Dennis Ross had a relationship with Fox as a commentator; wonder why they haven’t said why?
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 11:16 AM
I know it is Huffington,but Nico is doing a good job keeping up with what is going on in the streets of Iran:
(via Instapundit)
Iran Updates (VIDEO): Live-Blogging The Uprising
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html
Anybody know which golf course Obama is playing on today?
Baxter Greene on June 20, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Yeah, this report is, at first glance, tough to believe.
Saltysam on June 20, 2009 at 11:17 AM
the only thing that falls from the sky here in lunenburg county is bird poop.
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Might be fake. But I wouldn’t put anything past people who stone rape victims. And it’s possible to do.
But don’t worry, the one will talk them out of it.(snark)
I’m an athiest, but even I’m praying today. Guess I’m a hypocrite, but what else can we do?
tottoritodd on June 20, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Perhaps the Obama administration is concerned that the people of Iran might inpsire us.
Saltysam on June 20, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I think Obama is taking notes on what to do when he overwhelmingly wins the 2012 election thanks to ACORN. Now I know what he wants that civilian army for.
ctmom on June 20, 2009 at 11:21 AM
As near as I can tell, Mousavi’s election loss may be a good symbol of the corrupt tyranny the Iranians are living under, but Mousavi himself does not provide a path to liberty and justice for the Iranian people. They deserve freedom from brutality, and my prayers are with them this morning.
Loxodonta on June 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM
I can’t stand Sullivan, but he is doing a good job covering this too. I’m not mad at him, but I wish Totten wasn’t on vacation.
tottoritodd on June 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Saltysam on June 20, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Nice.
artist on June 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM
His mother is jewish.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Lots of gunfire into crowds means more death and mourning to come.
econavenger on June 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM
He won’t.
Cindy Munford on June 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Couldn’t type you have me laughing too hard!
HoustonRight on June 20, 2009 at 11:27 AM
I think when all is said and done this will be about our freedom. Our shiny new president may have grossly misread this situation. He will continue to look weak and that’s not a good look for the “lone” super power of the world.
Cindy Munford on June 20, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Translation:
He cut a deal with the people who are really his allies…the mullahs.
Sheesh, I can’t believe anyone would think that Mousavi, the founder of Hezbollah and killer of our Marines, has suddenly changed. I feel truly sad for all those protesters that he used to try to achieve his goals. In a way I hope the mullahs don’t give him anything but I doubt that will happen either. I’m beginning to wonder how much of all the claims of election fraud were true or just more attempts by Mousavi to gain back the power he once had. They’re all evil men.
And please, no Mousavi tee shirts!
Deanna on June 20, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Could be some kind of chemical compound that burns the skin on contact.
Capitalist Infidel on June 20, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Now they are gathering to mourn those who have died. The people of Iran have a culture that elevates martyrdom.
Amazing this culture of martyrdom only applies to the poor enslaved captives and never to the mullahs or supreme leader.
fourdeucer on June 20, 2009 at 11:31 AM
More like Carter on steroids. It Jimmy a couple of years to wreck the economy and prove himself to be an idiot at foreign affairs; it’s only taken Obama five months.
College Prof on June 20, 2009 at 11:32 AM
It took Jimmy
Sorry
College Prof on June 20, 2009 at 11:33 AM
So what do you think should happen?
Cindy Munford on June 20, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Wouldn’t it be great if this wasn’t about Mousavi. Maybe the election was just the spark that ignited the fire. Any step towards freedom is a good step. Let’s take one thing at a time and build on it.
HoustonRight on June 20, 2009 at 11:33 AM
O: “I think we should take a wait an see approach. It don’t want to mess up my golf swing. Now were is my waffle?”
Geochelone on June 20, 2009 at 11:35 AM
I think it’s more important at this point to understand what the protesters believe Mousavi represents for them rather than any conversion that Mousavi may have undergone from Che to Gandhi. That is, I think, a good indication of what is to come in the future and just where the boiling point is in Iran. This event is so large and involves so many people it won’t be forgotten and just might ember below the surface for quite a long time.
Texas Gal on June 20, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Here is another link that shows just how much the mullahs are crushing the people of Iran.
(via Ace of Spades)
TehranBureau
http://twitter.com/TehranBureau
I also read a report of the Baseej climbing up fire escapes and balconies into peoples homes to beat or kill them.
How can the leader of America stay silent while innocent men and women are brutally beaten and killed just for wanting Freedom.
All these fair weather patriots who were ashamed to be Americans while Bush was in office are going to tell us how proud they are now after turning their backs on millions of people being crushed before our eyes.
Liberalism is nothing but a disease against Liberty and Freedom.
Baxter Greene on June 20, 2009 at 11:37 AM
When you see what the basij are doing in Tehran, you now know why Obama wants a “civilian defense corps”.
BrianA on June 20, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Obama’s getting a bad rap for all this. I suggest he get some well-deserved R&R in Hawaii over the 4th.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 11:41 AM
They need to find someone who comes from within, not some old hard-liner like Mousavi. It may take time, but it can happen. For now, all we can hope for is a peaceful ending, with few deaths, and at least a warning to the mullahs and RG that this can happen. Maybe, although I doubt it, they will loosen things up a bit. But as long as Hamas and Hezbollah are involved, things will remain the same.
Deanna on June 20, 2009 at 11:42 AM
I read where they are arresting the relatives of the opposition or not allowing them to leave the country.
Blake on June 20, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Doubt if that will work out well for them.
a capella on June 20, 2009 at 11:42 AM
you’re about to meet it when Acorn knocks at your door to get ur census data.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 11:42 AM
It’s not water being poured from helecopters, it’s acid.
I’ve been following this person at Twitter and she’s extremely accurate. http://twitter.com/persiankiwi
moonsbreath on June 20, 2009 at 11:43 AM
BBC Persia service just uploaded a new vid to the homepage. (Click on left side) 46 seconds of street scene.
Can’t confirm it’s from today, but it wasn’t there an hour ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Don’t you mean “where is obama, joe biden, hillary clinton, john kerry?” It is their time on the world stage now. Let’s see what they can come up with after years of harshly criticizing Bush 43′s every move.
sarahpalinfan99 on June 20, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Updates from Twitter suggest what was poured from helicopters was not boiling water but water laced with an irritant that burns the skin.
Barbarians.
FireBlogger on June 20, 2009 at 11:45 AM
I hope that’s a bogus report. Just sick if true.
MarkABinVA on June 20, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Exactly. I thinkt the protesters either knew that Mousavi was no better than the current regime and used him. Or they were naive and beleived him I’d like to hope for the first but unfortunately some of them probably fit the second description. As I said in the previous post, maybe there’s real people’s leader amongst the students who will arise, we’ll have to wiat and see.
Deanna on June 20, 2009 at 11:46 AM
I’ll take the boiling water/acid story with a large grain of salt….but if true, they would do this to their own people, then what the hell will they do with the bomb?
Limerick on June 20, 2009 at 11:47 AM
econavenger,
Thanks for the clip – its at times like these that truly appreciate the essence of the Second Amendment – the right to bear arms for a citizen is the last line of defense against a tyrannical central government which will NEVER negotiate with you peacefully.
I dont know if Mousavi has “found” Gandhi or something – not sure if i can believe that. But for those people who think that non violent civil disobedience is the answer, they are in for a rude shock if they are not mentally prepared for the fact that they may have to pay with their own lives.
That requires a mental fortitude that does not wilt under the face of extreme violence – few people realize this and often mistake civil disobedience to be an easy way “out” -it is nt.
I dont know if Mousavi has a clue as to what he is doing or if he has planned for the worst possible things ahead of time -there are an awful lot of people who are putting their faith in him.
God Bless the Iranian people and save them from these monsters
nagee76 on June 20, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Mousavi’s wife is supposed to be the true force and charisma behind the movement. Rock star status, as I understand it. I’ve read a couple of articles stating they don’t understand how the mullahs let her gain such a public following. I can’t vouch for the accuracy.
a capella on June 20, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Mousavi is out and speaking.
This is going to get a lot worse.
But Mr. Hope and Change who is going to change the world does not want to “meddle” in this.
Baxter Greene on June 20, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Some are saying it may not be acid, but it’s causing skin irritations.
moonsbreath on June 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM
moonsbreath on June 20, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Thanks for the tip.
If they do half of the sh%t that comes out of Iran, it is 100% necessary to use force before they get the bomb. If you can do any of this stuff to YOUR OWN PEOPLE, the screw you, you have no right to it, screw that liberal idea of fairness.
tottoritodd on June 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM
They’re kind of busy right now. This isn’t about Mousavi anymore. Do you think they will fall back into the same life under a different leader? You may know more than I do but I am not taking the chance of getting beaten or killed to do same old sh!t under a different guy. Mousavi as the leader under the Mullah is no longer the prize.
Cindy Munford on June 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Baxter Greene on June 20, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html
Baxter Greene on June 20, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Can you stop equivocating the Palavi regime with these jerks now in power?
Palavi did not OPPRESS the people of iran any more than Barack Obama was more qualified than Sarah Palin to run for office.
Palavi was dstabalized and removed for US interests at the time. Not because he was an oppressive leader.
Less than 2 years before he left iran, before the US backed and Funded propoganda and smear campaign against him, he was loved universally by the people of Iran.
Seriously. For a group of people who are so upset about how propoganda and intimidation and lies were used to get Barry in the white house you should all know better than to assume that just because Cracker Carter’s administration labeled Palavi oppressive doesn’t make it true.
BillaryMcBush on June 20, 2009 at 11:57 AM
I’ll take the boiling water/acid story with a large grain of salt….but if true, they would do this to their own people, then what the hell will they do with the bomb?
Limerick on June 20, 2009 at 11:47 AM
I wouldn’t put anything past them. We know their history, remember sending children into Iraq with wooden iconic reminders from China so they could martyr themselves. And have no doubt what they will do with the bomb.
fourdeucer on June 20, 2009 at 11:59 AM
+10
The people need to rise up and crush the current regime.
sarahpalinfan99 on June 20, 2009 at 11:59 AM
What a revolution looks like…..by the thousands in Iran.
FireBlogger on June 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Here’s a video from YouTube, it’s supposed to be from outside of Tehran.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW3HVHGvgkE
moonsbreath on June 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM
I’m sure some are being duped by Mousavi just as I’m sure some have now moved beyond Mousavi into a greater quest. This genie won’t be going back in the bottle. It will likely go underground. And it’s too big for Khamanei to kill off all of those involved to erase the memory. It’s ironic that it was a youth movement to brought the mullahs to power 30 yrs ago and a youth movement that will bring them down, I just hope it’s not another 30 years.
Texas Gal on June 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM
I think she was originally a big supporter of Moin, who was a reformer. But I don’t know how that squares with her being married to Mosavi. She has to know he’s really no better than the mullahs.
Deanna on June 20, 2009 at 12:03 PM
This is exactly the kind of “robust debate” that Leftists promote: SHUT UP!
Loxodonta on June 20, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Took about 6 months worth of continual martyr mourning events to do it in ’79. It’ll happen,..I hope they have some ideas on how to fill the power vacuum. In the first revolution, Khomeni was getting himself positioned while in Paris exile.
a capella on June 20, 2009 at 12:09 PM
The mullahs will not be able to kill their way out of this.
The people of Iran have truly turned against them.
If only George Clooney could give an emergency speech at the UN all of this bloodshed could be averted.
It did wonders for Darfur.
Baxter Greene on June 20, 2009 at 12:14 PM
The Iranian people take to the streets to fight for freedom while Bambi sucks his thumb on the golf course. The man is pathetic.
Percy_Peabody on June 20, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Of course, NOW would be the time to finally take out Iran’s nuclear industry. The resulting chaos would even help the anti-Khameini groups gain an upper hand.
But, we were all told how much “right” Iran has to their nukes by the moron in the White House, so we know that this isn’t going to happen.
After this is all over, Iran will be more of a threat than they were before it started. Great.
progressoverpeace on June 20, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Obama tees off on the golf course,
while Iran is crushed with brutal force.
Loxodonta on June 20, 2009 at 12:21 PM
I am old enough to remember all of 1979, and exactly who Mousavi is. I do think this is not just about Mousavi. Before the elections, there was data to suggest the people were not happy with the mullahs, and the government. Just this morning Amy Kellogg on Fox was saying they were chanting from their rooftops, and they were not shouting for Mousavi. He may just be an end to a means.
The footage I have seen this morning suggest the gates which lead to public transportation were chained shut. As you all have heard they are stopping people as much as possible from moving around.
This Khamenei shrine bombing is interesting. If it happened.
As to people changing, and Mousavi being the scum he is, I never underestimate the ability for people to maybe not change, but to morph. Or at least figure out the path of least resistance. Gadaffi may not have changed in total, but he is not the same Gadaffi we all came to know and despise. I would not shed a tear if he departed from the Earth, but he is greatly weaker, and not as much of a trouble maker. There are a few others on this planet I would rather see taken out than Gadaffi. That pot bellied dictator in NK would be close to number one. I do not think of Mousavi in terms of changing, but I do think of him in terms of shifting.
I believe the key to understanding this is not to look at it as an American, or through our eyes of a republic or democracy. Most of these people are not Christians or Atheist, they do not view the role of government the same as we do, and their culture is different. We see a citizen rebellion, and we immediately view it as a Boston Tea Party event. Nevertheless, these are expressions of a desire for freedom, and a honest election. How could you not support that no matter who the desired leader is?
WHERE is Rafsanjani?
freeus on June 20, 2009 at 12:22 PM
a stepping down, a vacation, a broken elbow…..how convenient
nondhimmie on June 20, 2009 at 12:23 PM
katy on June 20, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Meanwhile … The Precedent is still pursuing unconditional talks with Achmadinejad and the mullahs. Whoopee! I love having an Indonesian running our Executive branch. This junta in Washington is just so much fun.
progressoverpeace on June 20, 2009 at 12:26 PM
katy on June 20, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Fox just reported that Musavi came out and said he is in southern Iran “and prepared for Martyrdom”
Boys and girls that means we just went to the next level. Paging MR. OBAMA do you really care for freedom and freedom loving peoples around the world or are you just a pansy socialist politirat that only love revolutionaries who share the ideals of destroying the west, capitalism, and mainly the US.
My prayers are with them hopefully maybe the Iraqi gov another recently freedom loving Shia group will start funneling aid in. The Mullahs made allot of enemies there with their support of the Sadr boys.
C-Low on June 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM
God bless the Iranian people risking their lives for liberty, and may He help them to achieve it.
AZCoyote on June 20, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Had to re-post that. Barry’s on the phone with Hugo, Vlad, Fidel and Andy, SO HE DIDN’T HEAR YOU.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 12:36 PM
I could not disagree more. Most of the West is in support of the Iranian people, and would prefer for Iran to be more stable than it is now. If Israel struck now, the West would go bananas. What little support they still have would be greatly harmed. In addition, this could have a detrimental impact on the people protesting, and could increase the force level against them by Khamenei. I see nothing good coming from an attack on the nukes at this time.
But you can bet your sweet bippy the Mossad is in Iran by the passle load, and watching things, fueling things, and arming things which would aid in tossing Khamenei. Plus, they are using this chaos to make sure they can locate all the nuke sites, weapons sites, and that fancy new Russian missile shield site. Rock on Mossad.
freeus on June 20, 2009 at 12:37 PM
katy on June 20, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Does anyone know what is going on in the cities outside Tehran? Has this spread to the more rural, or suburbs?
freeus on June 20, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Please. The moron Iraqis are screaming about how the withdrawal of American troops is such a victory for Iraq. Not that the presence of American troops was a victory that handed them control of one of the wealthiest nations in the world, but how our withdrawal is a sign of their victory.
How long will it take the West to learn that there is no such thing as goodwill in the arab/persian/muslim world? You can do everything in the world for these people and they can turn around and stab you in the back right afterwards. This is the sort of personality that is needed to be able to kill their own daughters because they looked at the wrong guy.
The arab/persian/muslim world does not operate like the West. You cannot do them favors and have them feel grateful. Doing them favors tends to make them ticked off because of the shame they feel by having needed the help (especially from infidels) and that shame is only alleviated through their exacting of revenge.
Some day people will learn …
progressoverpeace on June 20, 2009 at 12:39 PM
I agree with your assessment regarding Israel. I was speaking of the US hitting Iran’s nuke industry. Don’t worry, I know that there’s no chance that would ever happen, anyway.
progressoverpeace on June 20, 2009 at 12:40 PM
I did read that the Iraqi gov’t was one of the first to publicly congratulate Andy on his win–a few days ago.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 12:41 PM
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