Chaos in Iran: I’m ready for martyrdom, says Mousavi; Videos: Woman murdered in cold blood; Update: Obama calls on regime to end violence; Update: Obama goes out for ice cream; Rumor: 150 dead? Report: Mousavi’s office sends letter to Obama?
posted at 9:23 am on June 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Today is widely considered the crucial day of the Iranian crisis, which erupted when the ruling mullahs of the Guardian Council made their vote-rigging too obvious for their subjects to ignore. Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei warned Iranians yesterday that his patience was at an end with protests, but activists claimed that they would defy Khamenei and gather again in cities to protest the government and the election results. Today, sketchy reports have hundreds of police blocking access to key areas, including the use of teargas, to keep protestors out:
Heavily armed police prevented several thousand Iranian protesters Saturday from entering Revolution Square — one of the main protest sites in Tehran, a witness told CNN.
About a mile away, police kept the crowd back by throwing two canisters of tear gas at their feet, the witness said.
The Web site of the main opposition candidate, Mir Hossein Moussavi, quoted news reports as saying a flood of people were headed to the capital from surrounding towns.
Thus far, we’ve seen attempts by the government to spread misinformation about the rallies, and confusion and hesitation among the organizers. Protests today will almost certainly be an irrevocable act. If the government doesn’t act with force to suppress the protests, the mullahs will lose all credibility and will have to run for their lives. If they give the order to attack and the police don’t carry it out, they will have to run for their lives. They know the stakes and the risk, but the alternatives for them are all bad; their backs are against the wall — but they still have all the guns, at least for now.
We’ll keep an eye on reports and update as the day goes along. So far, it looks as though the confrontation will come.
Update (AP): Multiple Iranian twitterers are claiming there’s been some sort of explosion at Khomeini’s shrine, which they’re treating as the regime’s version of the Reichstag fire. There’s precedent for that in Iranian history, too.
Update (Ed): NBC’s Today has a good, if basic, report this morning:
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Update (AP): The Khaleej Times says the explosion at Khomeini’s shrine was caused by a suicide bomber. Hmmm.
Update (AP): Two mind-blowing videos for you. The second is familiar; it’s clearly taken at the same assault on the Basij complex that I wrote about earlier this week. Watch all the way through and you’ll see Iranian protesters actually fall after being shot. I don’t know where the first clip is from — it was uploaded by BBC Persia today but could also be from the Basij complex incident a few days ago — but it’s the closest thing I’ve seen yet to all-out war.
As I write this, Iranian twitterers are reporting use of water cannons, teargas, gunshots, and even some sort of burning agent being dropped on the crowds by helicopters. There’s still no confirmation as far as I know that a bomb really did go off at Khomeini’s shrine, but Reuters is now reporting that Mousavi supporters have set fire to a building being used by Ahmadinejad supporters. And now, suddenly, Mousavi is making some sort of statement where he says he’s prepared for martyrdom. Sounds like the gloves are finally all the way off.
Update (AP): Anecdotally, after following them all week, I can tell you that the tone of Iranian twitterers is strikingly different from what it’s been before. Some are openly asking people to pray for them. The fear is palpable.
Here’s a poignant video in Farsi with English subtitles that’s making the rounds today. The din you hear in the background is Tehranians screaming “Allahu Akbar” in defiance of Khamenei last night.
Update (AP): A comparatively calm but significant new clip: According to NIAC, protesters can be heard chanting “Marg bar Khamenei,” i.e. “Death to Khamanei.” It’s not about Ahmadinejad anymore.
Update (AP): If you’re unfamiliar with the cast of characters in Iran, Time’s primer is useful. Meanwhile, new video of what the streets look like in Tehran today. Note the end, where a few protesters display nightsticks they’ve seized from the Basij — to cheers from the crowd.
Update (AP): To see just how bad things have gotten, brace yourself and click here. Strong content warning.
Update (AP): Mousavi knows the regime can’t let him walk free forever and is calling for a strike if he’s detained. Who steps in if he’s jailed, I wonder. Karroubi? Rafsanjani, whom Khamenei would be loath to arrest lest it inflame the clerics?
Gosh, if only the U.S. had troops stationed in some neighboring country or countries so that we could start feeding weapons to the protesters.
Update (AP): Not sure if this is wise under the circumstances, but Israel’s minister for strategic affairs is now openly predicting a revolution — with no resulting change in Iran’s nuke program. Meanwhile, a provocative report from NIAC:
This morning a friend of NIAC who gets Iranian Satellite TV here said that state-run media showed President Obama speaking about Iran this morning. However, instead of translating what he actually said, the translator reportedly quoted Obama as saying he “supports the protesters against the government and they should keep protesting.
Assuming this report is correct, it shows the Iranian government is eager to portray Obama as a partisan supporting the demonstrators.
Update (AP): A HuffPo reader reports that the news about a bombing at Khomeini’s shrine appears to be yet another regime lie:
“I’m watching state TV here in Dubai and they just did a report on the bombing at the mausoleum. There was NO DAMAGE. All they showed was a broken window saying the “terrorists” luckily blew themselves up outside the building before doing any damage inside. The “bombing” was clearly a fraud as there was NO DAMAGE done to the mausoleum other than a broken window they showed at the entrance of the building. It clearly looked like there was NO BOMBING, no explosion fragments or blood shown just one shattered window. Also a correction to my previous e-mail. The program said the youths had been talking to “friends” in the U.K. and the U.S. on the phone about causing destruction in Iran rather than actually going to the U.S. and being trained. Important difference but the subtext is the same. They’re clearly building a case for foreign interference i.e. the U.K and U.S.”
Update (AP): Dear god. Here’s another extremely graphic video of the murder of the young woman I linked up above. NIAC translates the Facebook description as follows: “A young woman who was standing aside with her father watching the protests was shot by a basij member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house. He had clear shot at the girl and could not miss her. However, he aimed straight her heart. I am a doctor, so I rushed to try to save her. But the impact of the gunshot was so fierce that the bullet had blasted inside the victim’s chest, and she died in less than 2 minutes.”
Update (AP): Another one that’s going viral shot at Shiraz University. Note at about 90 seconds in how the police trap women against the gate and break out the nightsticks. Click the image to watch.
Update (AP): Multiple reports on Twitter now that people are shouting from the rooftops — literally — at Khamenei and the regime.
Update (AP): Verrry interesting: Rooftop shouts now being heard in Mashad, the Shiites’ second holiest city. Proof that the clerics are coming around to the people’s side?
Update (AP): Another murder in Tehran. Skip ahead to 3:25 to see the latest victim of Iran’s “robust debate,” or watch from the beginning and you’ll find protesters picking up rocks and chanting “Marg bar dictator.”
Update (AP): A statement from the White House:
The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.
As I said in Cairo, suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. The Iranian people will ultimately judge the actions of their own government. If the Iranian government seeks the respect of the international community, it must respect the dignity of its own people and govern through consent, not coercion.
Martin Luther King once said – “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” I believe that. The international community believes that. And right now, we are bearing witness to the Iranian peoples’ belief in that truth, and we will continue to bear witness.
Update (AP): An ominous rumor from Tehran Bureau: “good source: Hospital close to the scene in Tehran: 30-40 dead thus far as of 11pm and 200 injured. Police taking names of incoming injured.”
Update (AP): I linked the Facebook video of the young woman being murdered by the Basij earlier but it deserves wide dissemination so I’m giving you the embeddable LiveLeak version too. Forward the link around.
Update (AP): More Twitter reports trickling in about acid or some other sort of corrosive agent being dropped on protesters. And there’s a hot rumor that the Canadian embassy in Tehran has its gates closed to the injured, even as many other embassies have theirs opened. Can anyone confirm/deny?
Update (AP): It’s raining rocks on the streets of Tehran.
Update (AP): Reuel Marc Gerecht tries to answer the million-dollar question: Why would Khamenei risk his supreme authority to fix the election for a disposable goon like Ahmadinejad?
Khamenei, who worked with and struggled against Mousavi for a decade, knows the former prime minister politically as well as anyone. The supreme leader knows that what Mousavi lacks in charisma he has always made up in doggedness…
Khamenei acted so crudely and rashly on June 12 because he’d already seen this movie. What’s happening in Iran now is all about democracy, about the contradictory and chaotic bedfellows that it makes, about the questioning of authority and the personal curiosity that it unleashes. Khamenei knows what George H.W. Bush’s “realist” national security adviser Brent Scowcroft surely knows, too: Democracy in Iran implies regime change. Where Iranians in the 1990s could try to play games with themselves–be in favor of greater democracy but refrain from saying publicly that the current government was illegitimate–this fiction is no longer possible. Khamenei has forced Mousavi and, more important, the people behind him into opposition to himself and the political system he leads. Unless Mousavi gives up, and thereby deflates the millions who’ve gathered around him, a permanent opposition to Khamenei and his constitutionally ordained supremacy has now formed. Like it or not, Mousavi has become the new Khatami–except this time the opposition is stronger and led by a man of considerable intestinal fortitude.
I don’t get it. If Mousavi’s famous for his perseverance, the last thing you’d want to do is antagonize him and his youth movement by defrauding him. It’s practically begging for an uprising. The smart move would be to placate him by bringing him into the regime and then compromising with him on some basic reforms; that, at least, would keep the regime in place. It makes more sense to me to think that Khamenei feared opposing Ahmadinejad because he’s been such a generous patron to the Revolutionary Guard. If Mousavi won and Khamenei endorsed it, the Guard might stage a coup to protect the gravy train they’ve been riding for the past four years. That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.
Update (AP): Have we already reached the point in the crackdown where negotiating with Iran is unthinkable? I know The One has his heart set on it, but the point’s going to come — if it hasn’t already — where the regime behaves so monstrously that he simply can’t afford a photo op with them. As a thought experiment, imagine that the tanks roll tomorrow and then Khamenei turns around on Monday and offers to give up the nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of all sanctions and full diplomatic recognition. Can Obama make that deal now, knowing that it would legitimize these monsters?
Update (AP): Uh oh: The latest Twitter rumor claims there’s a tank in Azadi Square.
Update (AP): CBS reporter Mark Knoller reports that the president decided today of all days would be a good time for a leisurely trip to the ice-cream parlor. Quoth Jim Treacher: “Imagine if Bush went on an ice cream run during something like this. He’d be ‘Worst Person in the World’ every day forever.” Any lefties care to dispute that, especially in light of the longstanding faux outrage over this clip?
Update (AP): The latest unverified/rumored death toll is 150. In other news, Obama ordered a small cup of vanilla.
Update (AP): If Gutfeld’s this pissed about the skateboarding photo op, wait until he hears about the ice cream trip.
Am I an old fart or am I right to be pissed that some jackass is skateboarding down the halls of the White House while all this Iranian shit is going down?…
Right now, people are risking their lives for the glimmer of freedom, and Tony Hawk is in the White House tweeting about Frosted Flakes.
Update (AP): I’m skeptical that Mousavi would send a letter to Obama without publicizing it, but for what it’s worth, Michael Ledeen says he’s got a copy. Excerpt:
In the name of the Iranian people, we want you to know that when you recently made the statement “Achmadinejad or Mousavi? Two of a kind,” we consider this as a grave and deep insult, not just to Mr. Mousavi but especially against the judgment of the Iranian people, against our moral conviction and intelligence, especially those of the young generation that comprises a population of 31 million.
It is a specially grave insult for those who are now fighting for democracy and freedom, and an unwarranted gift and even praise for Mr. Khamenei, whose security forces are now killing peaceful Iranians in the streets of every major city in the country.
Update (AP): If Iranian goons are willing to shoot women dead in the street, I guess it makes sense that they’re willing to drag the wounded from hospitals where they’re being treated. Note that communications from the notorious Evin prison have been cut off, too. I’ve got a nutty hunch that whatever’s going on inside is a bit worse than waterboarding.
Update (AP): CNN is airing YouTube vids of today’s brutality nonstop, which makes me think American public opinion of the regime will soon be so poisonous as to make diplomacy impossible. The One simply won’t be able to justify shaking these cretins’ bloody hands. If that’s so, it means negotiations are dead and a desperate Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear sites is assured — unless the regime is overthrown. The stakes couldn’t be higher.
Update (AP): I keep waiting for news to break that Hamas or Hezbollah has attacked Israel, as Iran could use a distraction right now to appeal to the protesters’ sympathies. Maybe this week? Southern Iraq would be an even more attractive target, as it would embarrass the U.S. The fact that they haven’t done that may be among the best evidence yet of how weak their influence has become in that part of the country.
Update (AP): Just posted at Mousavi’s Facebook page, feast your eyes on Iranian police rushing a crowd of protesters, unsheathing the batons, and swinging for the fences. The chaos starts a little more than a minute in.
Update (AP): The sounds of terror: Screams in the night as the Basij break into people’s homes.
Update (AP): I’m skeptical, but supposedly this clip shows the good guys getting a measure of revenge by lighting a gas line … that leads straight into a Basij complex in eastern Tehran. Watch for the boom five seconds in.










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Lots of separate reports of violence in Tehran on Twitter.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Sshhhhhhhhhh
diogenes on June 20, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Under the Shah, the relations between Israel and Iran were decent. Not great, but better than Israel’s relations with the Arab world. Plus, the Mullahs sending money to the Pali scum and using Hamas thugs to bash student heads hasn’t probably won’t improve the students generally negative (and deservedly so) views of the Palis.
PimFortuynsGhost on June 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM
thank you HotAirians for keeping me up to speed on the Iran protests. i’m not into twittering.
this is my #1 blog!
let freedom reign.
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Do they have enough streetlamps for all the mullahs and ayatollahs.
My only concern.
profitsbeard on June 20, 2009 at 10:34 AM
It would be nice if they could all kill each other.
BL@KBIRD on June 20, 2009 at 10:35 AM
even so about the students’ feelings about israel; i don’t think we can say that they would ever be an ally of israel. even if israel helped them now.
and you know damn well that Bibi isn’t sleeping while all this is going on.
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 10:35 AM
For all the Death to Israel crap from Dinner Jacket, Iran is a natural ally of Israel. Persians are not Arabs, and most of them have little use for Arabs. The enemy of my enemy . . .
Pavel on June 20, 2009 at 10:36 AM
yeah, blackbird. that would solve alot of problems. in NK, too.
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 10:36 AM
William Amos on June 20, 2009 at 10:37 AM
i think the term “natural ally” of israel is much too hopeful.
kelley in virginia on June 20, 2009 at 10:37 AM
The nationalism vibe could be a killer, but my instict says there gotta be ways Israel could simultaneously support the students. What seems missing is any way for Israel to communicate its support to the demonstrators … unless by Twitter. :(
petefrt on June 20, 2009 at 10:37 AM
JP
Limerick on June 20, 2009 at 10:38 AM
hard to say. Turkey once was;isn’t much of one any longer–they’re going fundy. I’d bet Iranians have had enough fundy for two or three generations. They may become the new Turkey. Let’s hope.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Turkey has a military relationship with the IDF and conduct yearly joint exercises.
Limerick on June 20, 2009 at 10:40 AM
You are posting HOW while out in the street protesting? Good Wi-Fi connection?
Are you preparing? Have you exercised you 2nd admentment rights while posting vitriolic attacks under your 1st admendment rights?
Yoop on June 20, 2009 at 10:41 AM
How ’bout this for a plan: Israel air strike delivers nukes on the way in, and massive small arms drops to demonstrators on the way out.
petefrt on June 20, 2009 at 10:43 AM
But that relationship has been strained since Erdogan and his Islamist government have decided to pi$$ on Ataturk’s grave (which does not sit well with the military, by the way).
Hopefully, another Ozal or Ciller type figure will regain power in Turkey and string Erdogan and his lackeys from some lamp posts and reestablish the very strong ties between Israel and Turkey.
PimFortuynsGhost on June 20, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Israel always seems to have a way of doing what needs to get done. I guess being surround by countries that want you gone has the self preservation desire on maximum overdrive. I am hoping that Israel can get some concrete help.
Cindy Munford on June 20, 2009 at 10:43 AM
From The Guardian‘s coverage:
How prescient of him!
anonymous irishman on June 20, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Saus mentioned many past arrangements/agreements now canceled. Sorry, but can’t be more specific, because I don’t know.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Unless the Iranians are giving up on Islam and becoming apostates, I don’t see much to get excited about. They are not doing that are they? They are just arguing over which Mullahf*cker directs their hate toward the unbelievers.
BL@KBIRD on June 20, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Yoop on June 20, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Not sure this critter is an American…
Keemo on June 20, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Wouldn’t be the first civilian government in Turkey to become a footnote.
Limerick on June 20, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Way above my pay grade. Honestly, I don’t have the slightest idea if Israel should do anything at all. Absent any particular info. I guess I wouldn’t. But there are lots of former Iranians who are now Israelis, people with culture and language skills that hopefully give the Israels a better insight into what’s going on there and who’s who.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Israel amazes me. Just hope it’s not taken down by the same leftist rot that has us by the throat.
petefrt on June 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Keemo…good to see you too. come on over to bejohngalt.com sometime, love to have you! Folks over there are just as concerned with what is happening in Iran, and how it so obviously relates to US!
Justrand on June 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM
The High and Mighty Supreme Leader says:
“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!” ~ through a theatrical fog of CS gas.
The people of Persia have seen through the fraud of their Supreme Leader.
And his little leaderlings.
Those construction cranes ~where girls who sassed their imams or gay guys, who were honest about it, were recently hanged~ look mighty promising.
And have a double-use.
To enable crimes.
And entangle the criminals.
profitsbeard on June 20, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Why would Israel act today when the situation may develop in its favor in a number of ways? It would be a lot easier, for instance, to act in a month or five against a regime that has fully de-legitimized itself by violently crushing its own people’s resistance, at a point where even the Compromiser of the Free World has spoken out in anger. If Israel acted now, the government would treat it as justification to declare a state of emergency, and the protestors would be branded as traitors. Later on, opportunities for sabotage, regime change, or even, conceivably, positive progress with a new government, might be possible.
Much better to wait. Iran’s probably safer today than it’s been since the revolution.
CK MacLeod on June 20, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Even though there are fundy elements in Turkey, they cannot remain ascendant for very long. The military is the real power in that country, and they are totally secularist, true to Ataturk’s vision. They are also extraordinarily disciplined.
If the civilians screw things up too badly, the army takes over for a while, gets rid of the most noxious elements, then turns things back over to democracy. It’s happened over and over.
Pavel on June 20, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Yes it is and we are not the only ones to notice how incompetent and dangerous Obama’s appeasement policies are:
(via Instapundit)
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2009/06/obamas-approval-rating-in-israel-goes.html
Obama is turning his back on a long time ally and true democracy in the middle east to satisfy the liberal ideology
that Israel is the real problem in the middle east,not radical Islamic terrorist.
It is a sad day when the French,Germans,and British come out harder and stronger in defending Freedom than the President of the United States.
Baxter Greene on June 20, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Finally, some video:
Think its from right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGcSU7FcgQw
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Gird loins my fellow ‘Mericans.
Will this spill?
blatantblue on June 20, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Baby steps. I seriously doubt the protestors want more of the same system. Mousavi is a vehicle, not a solution. Median of the population is 25 or so.
a capella on June 20, 2009 at 10:51 AM
on the video, u hear gunshots, see fires in the streets ,protesters blocking streets.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Protesters are throwing rocks
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Yup. Every time there have been significant advances in the rights for women and minorities in Turkey, the military has been involved. Makes lefties heads explode. The economy usually sees substantial improvement, too (and not in a statist way). Erdogan is screwing things up so badly in every facet of Turkish society, so this may happen soon.
PimFortuynsGhost on June 20, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Bullets fired at protesters. You see someone hit
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Applying idiotic troll testing methodology to this post, we observe the following:
Run-on sentence test = Positive
Mis-spellings test = Positive
Grammer and syntax errors = Positive
Illogical construct test = Positive
All tests positive for Idiotic Troll.
NOTE: Positive does not mean good, in this context, sonny!
massrighty on June 20, 2009 at 10:55 AM
much more gunfire, street emptying out
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Looks like the mullahs are runnng out of viable options and have brought in the game enders.
katy on June 20, 2009 at 10:57 AM
This has a Hamas or Hezballah import written all over it. Or Ahmad-i-nejad supporter upset that his favorite young goat wasn’t willing to spoon.
PimFortuynsGhost on June 20, 2009 at 10:59 AM
link says it was uploaded today, but unsure which day of protests it represents. Wondering if this is the ‘rooftop’ shootings from Monday.
Limerick on June 20, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Those shots don’t sound only like handguns. They sound like military issue weapons.
a capella on June 20, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Thanks for the vid Jiangxi
Couldn’t put the audio on on my phone but I saw the bullets hit the street
Very intense
Thanks
blatantblue on June 20, 2009 at 11:00 AM
A lot of gunfire.
Limerick on June 20, 2009 at 11:01 AM
All true, but not as easy as it once was. In order to get into EU, Europe forced turkey to change Const. to roll back the parts that allowed the turkish military to take the decisive role in the country’s politics. Not sure it will stop them, but I don’t believe they’re any longer the constitutional “guardians” of the secular Attaturk-style state.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Yes, tks, I CAN’T verify that that’s from today.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 11:05 AM
a capella
If this is actually real and the ‘protesters” were to overturn the Supreme Leader, then an almost perfect vacuum will need to be filled with no viable leadership or ideology present to fill that gap. There would be chaos which, coincidentally, is the main ingredient to make Well Hidden 12th Imam surprise brownies.
BL@KBIRD on June 20, 2009 at 11:11 AM
I agree completely. To be honest, I’m not sure how much this situation in Iran will escalate, but I hope the mullahs are overrun. Mousavi may be another “nuke weapon” guy, but at least the protests are railing against the Supreme Council.
NathanG on June 20, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Maybe…but don’t forget, as its founder, Mousavi has close ties to Hezbollah. So it will be interesting to find out who claims this, if anyone. I just don’t trust either Ahmadinejad or Mousavi.
Deanna on June 20, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Israel will make the right decision based on their experience. We amateurs are just trying to fix all the problems in one afternoon. Surely with disastrous results.
Cindy Munford on June 20, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Whoops. Meant to quote from a capella.
NathanG on June 20, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Hu is watching this with as much interest as Bibi.
Tweets of helicopters dropping boiling water on crowds.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Thanks for the link to the vid JiangxiDad. I wish someone could tell us what they are saying.
Texas Gal on June 20, 2009 at 11:16 AM
My Farsi is rusty. All I could make out was OBAMA SUCKS.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Justrand on June 20, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Will do… Thanks for the invite.
Keemo on June 20, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I doubt it. Mousavi is being ordered not to speak and is basically out of the game.
This is beyond Mousavi. He has no power right now.
katy on June 20, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Priceless.
Cindy Munford on June 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM
What courage these people have. I hope that we would have the same if things ever turned here!
katy on June 20, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Khamenie hopes his opponents blanch at the thought of revolution.
BL@KBIRD on June 20, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Also true. Yet another reason why joining the EU isn’t such a great idea for Turkey.
My hunch is that the military will protect Kemalism no matter what, and I can virtually guarantee they will enjoy the support of an overwhelming majority of the Turkish people in doing so. I suppose it’s unwise to extrapolate from my own experience with Turks, but their attitude toward the military is very positive. They used to have a universal draft for young men (I don’t know if they still do), and it was a matter of great pride to all concerned when the young men went off to the military.
They trust their military much more than their politicians. We could learn a thing or two from them.
Pavel on June 20, 2009 at 11:24 AM
sorry Texas gal
I’d help if I could but I stopped Farsi years ago amd switched to Arabic :p
I only remember the basics
But jiangxi is right someone said Obama sucks:D
blatantblue on June 20, 2009 at 11:28 AM
How do you say in Farsi, Obama is a master debater?
Loxodonta on June 20, 2009 at 11:35 AM
A turkish guy told me something interesting about modern Turkey. He said western ideas and modernism and tv made the cities, and of course, especially Istanbul, much more like a European city in attitudes and outlook–particularly in regard to Islam. But that same modernization, and greater access to info, allowed people in the country to get formerly suppressed info about Islam, and to re-establish formerly cut ties to it. Overall effect, he claims, is that there is much wider support for an an important role for Islam in the country overall than ever before. I don’t know what this all will mean for Turkey. I have been there twice. It’s a fascinating place with amazing things to see and do, great food, friendly people–at least in the past. But as a jew and American, I won’t be going there now. I wonder if Israelis still treat Antalya as their Cancun.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 11:36 AM
I find that hard to believe. There’s alot more going on behind the scenes then we know. I wouldn’t doubt that Mousavi cut a deal though, that was his goal and he used the protesters. Don’t trust anything you hear from either side, they’re both the same.
Deanna on June 20, 2009 at 11:36 AM
This rather pointedly illustrates the importance of the second amendment. The Iranians need to arm themselves, if they havent already and start shooting back.
dogsoldier on June 20, 2009 at 11:37 AM
LOL
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 11:37 AM
all in due time.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 11:38 AM
LOL..*snort*
That might be a good entrepreneur export item!
Texas Gal on June 20, 2009 at 11:41 AM
I get the whole “both sides issue”.
Maybe, but maybe not…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/19/iran-election-mousavi-ahmadinejad
katy on June 20, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Lol lox
blatantblue on June 20, 2009 at 11:48 AM
ROFLMAO! I needed that. My uncontrolable shaking and headaches have been real bad this morning. Going cold turkey sucks. Does anyone else have these symptoms when going off of Cheerios?
portlandon on June 20, 2009 at 11:50 AM
LOL
At least it wasn’t Allah Obama. I think he’s missed that opportuntiy.
Texas Gal on June 20, 2009 at 11:51 AM
If Mousavi suddenly became Ghandi, I am now officially the owner of the Brooklyn Bridge. Just proves my point about not believing anything.
Oh, and Ghandi wasn’t the founder of a terrorist organization.
Deanna on June 20, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Holy S. Will Obama now become “very,very,very conderned”?
portlandon on June 20, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Anybody with a youtube account and some video editing software should splice together the smug faces of the ayatollahs and imams blathering in SLO-MO with intercut images of the victims of the theocrats hanging from construction cranes- and use “(You Keep Me) Hanging On” as the commentary track.
“Set me free, why don’t ya babe!”
With Khamenei’s sour puss.
profitsbeard on June 20, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Can we please get on with some full-scale violence? This piddly crap is boring.
Anyone here who thinks that these protests are a sign of Iranians wanting to be pro-Western is either a fool, or naive. These protesters are fine with killing jews, americans, and every other infidel. They support HAMAS, Hezbollah, and tried to elect as president the father of the Iranian nuclear program.
The only good thing about this is the longer this goes on; the less time, money, and resources the mullahs have for exporting terrorism.
Blarg the Destroyer on June 20, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Now is not the time to be a martyr! Think of your cholesterol!
Cindy Munford on June 20, 2009 at 11:58 AM
In my humble opinion you are sweating the small stuff. This isn’t about Mousavi anymore.
Cindy Munford on June 20, 2009 at 11:59 AM
BRING IT ON. If these kids pull this off I want to shake the hands of everyone of them!
RobCon on June 20, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Congratulations. You just caught up with most of the rest of HotAir.
Limerick on June 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM
LOL. What a nuthouse we now live in :)
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Obama hides in the safety of the White House,
while Iranians are sent to the slaughterhouse.
Loxodonta on June 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM
What the religious maniacs in power fail to realize is that they transmitted their theory: kill you way into power- to their children.
Both sides are equally fanatical, when it comes down to their ideology of glorious martyrdom training, so expect it to escalate and end badly… for the ayatollahs and their muscle, one hopes.
profitsbeard on June 20, 2009 at 12:02 PM
kill you way into power = kill your way….
profitsbeard on June 20, 2009 at 12:04 PM
@ a capella on June 20, 2009 at 10:59 AM
They sound like rubber bullets to me in the first video mixed in with handgun fire. The shots are to hollow and do not have the typical crack that comes when the bullet breaks the sound barrier.
thphilli on June 20, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Holy crap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW3HVHGvgkE
That’s a lotta people.
nukemhill on June 20, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Forget Mousavi. He’s nothing but a straw man now. If this thing explodes he’ll be hanging on the next tree over from Ahmadinijad (sp) and the mullahs.
Percy_Peabody on June 20, 2009 at 12:10 PM
This is not going away.
I’m having a hard time keeping up but the technology is bringing down this regime.
katy on June 20, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Can we dare imagine a Middle East with democracies in Iran, Iraq (thanks to Bush 43) and Afghanistan (again thanks to Bush 43)? Maybe Bush 43 wasn’t such an idiot as the State Run Media made him out to be.
The citizens of Iran have reached the point of no return. This is beyond Mousavi and the sham elections as many are now acknowledging.
sarahpalinfan99 on June 20, 2009 at 12:10 PM
The day after the election Dinnerjacket flew to Russia for a meeting. When he got off the plane he gave a speech in which he said…
“The age of imperialism is over.”
The boy is getting his crow served up raw right about now.
Limerick on June 20, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Ed and Allahpundit: Thank you so much for your work covering these events in Iran. The Updates are much appreciated. You two are doing a great job.
Loxodonta on June 20, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Try better next time troll. You realize how ignorant you sound.
sarahpalinfan99 on June 20, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Actually the younger generation is much less religious. Most young people have pre-marital sex there (like here), watch western movies, play video games, use internet, and are far far more educated than Arabs.
Look at how well intergrated Irani youth are into things like twitter and facebook?
I keep in contact with some Irani, from my time working in India a while back. They know their country overreacted to some of the abuses of the Shah. Many of the older people who were around for the Shah, think of those as the good days, and still use the old street names of the Shahs time, and not the newer names changed after their Islamic revolution.
firepilot on June 20, 2009 at 12:15 PM
+100
Ed’s and Allahpundit’s outstanding efforts are being righteously praised all over the blogoshere. Mega Kudos to you both!
sarahpalinfan99 on June 20, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Maybe, or maybe we are the ones projecting our own ideals into it. And maybe it is just about two evil men competing for power and using the people to get it and after it’s all over things will return to the way they were.
There have always been students/people protesting in these countries. Regimes allow it to let the people feel as though they have a say, for a while. Then they may give in a bit, but maintain control. Without a real leader, these kinds of protests are not going to create significant change, more often they are simply used by people like Mousavi to gain/regain power. I think that is the case here, and we’ll see what he gains out of this when it’s over. Then we’ll know if it was all about him or not. The overthrow of the Shah was reilgious zeal with a strong leader and well-organized. This has neither.
Deanna on June 20, 2009 at 12:18 PM
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