Chaos in Iran: I’m ready for martyrdom, says Mousavi; Videos: Woman murdered in cold blood; Update: Obama calls on regime to end violence; Update: Obama goes out for ice cream; Rumor: 150 dead? Report: Mousavi’s office sends letter to Obama?
posted at 9:23 am on June 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Today is widely considered the crucial day of the Iranian crisis, which erupted when the ruling mullahs of the Guardian Council made their vote-rigging too obvious for their subjects to ignore. Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei warned Iranians yesterday that his patience was at an end with protests, but activists claimed that they would defy Khamenei and gather again in cities to protest the government and the election results. Today, sketchy reports have hundreds of police blocking access to key areas, including the use of teargas, to keep protestors out:
Heavily armed police prevented several thousand Iranian protesters Saturday from entering Revolution Square — one of the main protest sites in Tehran, a witness told CNN.
About a mile away, police kept the crowd back by throwing two canisters of tear gas at their feet, the witness said.
The Web site of the main opposition candidate, Mir Hossein Moussavi, quoted news reports as saying a flood of people were headed to the capital from surrounding towns.
Thus far, we’ve seen attempts by the government to spread misinformation about the rallies, and confusion and hesitation among the organizers. Protests today will almost certainly be an irrevocable act. If the government doesn’t act with force to suppress the protests, the mullahs will lose all credibility and will have to run for their lives. If they give the order to attack and the police don’t carry it out, they will have to run for their lives. They know the stakes and the risk, but the alternatives for them are all bad; their backs are against the wall — but they still have all the guns, at least for now.
We’ll keep an eye on reports and update as the day goes along. So far, it looks as though the confrontation will come.
Update (AP): Multiple Iranian twitterers are claiming there’s been some sort of explosion at Khomeini’s shrine, which they’re treating as the regime’s version of the Reichstag fire. There’s precedent for that in Iranian history, too.
Update (Ed): NBC’s Today has a good, if basic, report this morning:
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Update (AP): The Khaleej Times says the explosion at Khomeini’s shrine was caused by a suicide bomber. Hmmm.
Update (AP): Two mind-blowing videos for you. The second is familiar; it’s clearly taken at the same assault on the Basij complex that I wrote about earlier this week. Watch all the way through and you’ll see Iranian protesters actually fall after being shot. I don’t know where the first clip is from — it was uploaded by BBC Persia today but could also be from the Basij complex incident a few days ago — but it’s the closest thing I’ve seen yet to all-out war.
As I write this, Iranian twitterers are reporting use of water cannons, teargas, gunshots, and even some sort of burning agent being dropped on the crowds by helicopters. There’s still no confirmation as far as I know that a bomb really did go off at Khomeini’s shrine, but Reuters is now reporting that Mousavi supporters have set fire to a building being used by Ahmadinejad supporters. And now, suddenly, Mousavi is making some sort of statement where he says he’s prepared for martyrdom. Sounds like the gloves are finally all the way off.
Update (AP): Anecdotally, after following them all week, I can tell you that the tone of Iranian twitterers is strikingly different from what it’s been before. Some are openly asking people to pray for them. The fear is palpable.
Here’s a poignant video in Farsi with English subtitles that’s making the rounds today. The din you hear in the background is Tehranians screaming “Allahu Akbar” in defiance of Khamenei last night.
Update (AP): A comparatively calm but significant new clip: According to NIAC, protesters can be heard chanting “Marg bar Khamenei,” i.e. “Death to Khamanei.” It’s not about Ahmadinejad anymore.
Update (AP): If you’re unfamiliar with the cast of characters in Iran, Time’s primer is useful. Meanwhile, new video of what the streets look like in Tehran today. Note the end, where a few protesters display nightsticks they’ve seized from the Basij — to cheers from the crowd.
Update (AP): To see just how bad things have gotten, brace yourself and click here. Strong content warning.
Update (AP): Mousavi knows the regime can’t let him walk free forever and is calling for a strike if he’s detained. Who steps in if he’s jailed, I wonder. Karroubi? Rafsanjani, whom Khamenei would be loath to arrest lest it inflame the clerics?
Gosh, if only the U.S. had troops stationed in some neighboring country or countries so that we could start feeding weapons to the protesters.
Update (AP): Not sure if this is wise under the circumstances, but Israel’s minister for strategic affairs is now openly predicting a revolution — with no resulting change in Iran’s nuke program. Meanwhile, a provocative report from NIAC:
This morning a friend of NIAC who gets Iranian Satellite TV here said that state-run media showed President Obama speaking about Iran this morning. However, instead of translating what he actually said, the translator reportedly quoted Obama as saying he “supports the protesters against the government and they should keep protesting.
Assuming this report is correct, it shows the Iranian government is eager to portray Obama as a partisan supporting the demonstrators.
Update (AP): A HuffPo reader reports that the news about a bombing at Khomeini’s shrine appears to be yet another regime lie:
“I’m watching state TV here in Dubai and they just did a report on the bombing at the mausoleum. There was NO DAMAGE. All they showed was a broken window saying the “terrorists” luckily blew themselves up outside the building before doing any damage inside. The “bombing” was clearly a fraud as there was NO DAMAGE done to the mausoleum other than a broken window they showed at the entrance of the building. It clearly looked like there was NO BOMBING, no explosion fragments or blood shown just one shattered window. Also a correction to my previous e-mail. The program said the youths had been talking to “friends” in the U.K. and the U.S. on the phone about causing destruction in Iran rather than actually going to the U.S. and being trained. Important difference but the subtext is the same. They’re clearly building a case for foreign interference i.e. the U.K and U.S.”
Update (AP): Dear god. Here’s another extremely graphic video of the murder of the young woman I linked up above. NIAC translates the Facebook description as follows: “A young woman who was standing aside with her father watching the protests was shot by a basij member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house. He had clear shot at the girl and could not miss her. However, he aimed straight her heart. I am a doctor, so I rushed to try to save her. But the impact of the gunshot was so fierce that the bullet had blasted inside the victim’s chest, and she died in less than 2 minutes.”
Update (AP): Another one that’s going viral shot at Shiraz University. Note at about 90 seconds in how the police trap women against the gate and break out the nightsticks. Click the image to watch.
Update (AP): Multiple reports on Twitter now that people are shouting from the rooftops — literally — at Khamenei and the regime.
Update (AP): Verrry interesting: Rooftop shouts now being heard in Mashad, the Shiites’ second holiest city. Proof that the clerics are coming around to the people’s side?
Update (AP): Another murder in Tehran. Skip ahead to 3:25 to see the latest victim of Iran’s “robust debate,” or watch from the beginning and you’ll find protesters picking up rocks and chanting “Marg bar dictator.”
Update (AP): A statement from the White House:
The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.
As I said in Cairo, suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. The Iranian people will ultimately judge the actions of their own government. If the Iranian government seeks the respect of the international community, it must respect the dignity of its own people and govern through consent, not coercion.
Martin Luther King once said – “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” I believe that. The international community believes that. And right now, we are bearing witness to the Iranian peoples’ belief in that truth, and we will continue to bear witness.
Update (AP): An ominous rumor from Tehran Bureau: “good source: Hospital close to the scene in Tehran: 30-40 dead thus far as of 11pm and 200 injured. Police taking names of incoming injured.”
Update (AP): I linked the Facebook video of the young woman being murdered by the Basij earlier but it deserves wide dissemination so I’m giving you the embeddable LiveLeak version too. Forward the link around.
Update (AP): More Twitter reports trickling in about acid or some other sort of corrosive agent being dropped on protesters. And there’s a hot rumor that the Canadian embassy in Tehran has its gates closed to the injured, even as many other embassies have theirs opened. Can anyone confirm/deny?
Update (AP): It’s raining rocks on the streets of Tehran.
Update (AP): Reuel Marc Gerecht tries to answer the million-dollar question: Why would Khamenei risk his supreme authority to fix the election for a disposable goon like Ahmadinejad?
Khamenei, who worked with and struggled against Mousavi for a decade, knows the former prime minister politically as well as anyone. The supreme leader knows that what Mousavi lacks in charisma he has always made up in doggedness…
Khamenei acted so crudely and rashly on June 12 because he’d already seen this movie. What’s happening in Iran now is all about democracy, about the contradictory and chaotic bedfellows that it makes, about the questioning of authority and the personal curiosity that it unleashes. Khamenei knows what George H.W. Bush’s “realist” national security adviser Brent Scowcroft surely knows, too: Democracy in Iran implies regime change. Where Iranians in the 1990s could try to play games with themselves–be in favor of greater democracy but refrain from saying publicly that the current government was illegitimate–this fiction is no longer possible. Khamenei has forced Mousavi and, more important, the people behind him into opposition to himself and the political system he leads. Unless Mousavi gives up, and thereby deflates the millions who’ve gathered around him, a permanent opposition to Khamenei and his constitutionally ordained supremacy has now formed. Like it or not, Mousavi has become the new Khatami–except this time the opposition is stronger and led by a man of considerable intestinal fortitude.
I don’t get it. If Mousavi’s famous for his perseverance, the last thing you’d want to do is antagonize him and his youth movement by defrauding him. It’s practically begging for an uprising. The smart move would be to placate him by bringing him into the regime and then compromising with him on some basic reforms; that, at least, would keep the regime in place. It makes more sense to me to think that Khamenei feared opposing Ahmadinejad because he’s been such a generous patron to the Revolutionary Guard. If Mousavi won and Khamenei endorsed it, the Guard might stage a coup to protect the gravy train they’ve been riding for the past four years. That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.
Update (AP): Have we already reached the point in the crackdown where negotiating with Iran is unthinkable? I know The One has his heart set on it, but the point’s going to come — if it hasn’t already — where the regime behaves so monstrously that he simply can’t afford a photo op with them. As a thought experiment, imagine that the tanks roll tomorrow and then Khamenei turns around on Monday and offers to give up the nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of all sanctions and full diplomatic recognition. Can Obama make that deal now, knowing that it would legitimize these monsters?
Update (AP): Uh oh: The latest Twitter rumor claims there’s a tank in Azadi Square.
Update (AP): CBS reporter Mark Knoller reports that the president decided today of all days would be a good time for a leisurely trip to the ice-cream parlor. Quoth Jim Treacher: “Imagine if Bush went on an ice cream run during something like this. He’d be ‘Worst Person in the World’ every day forever.” Any lefties care to dispute that, especially in light of the longstanding faux outrage over this clip?
Update (AP): The latest unverified/rumored death toll is 150. In other news, Obama ordered a small cup of vanilla.
Update (AP): If Gutfeld’s this pissed about the skateboarding photo op, wait until he hears about the ice cream trip.
Am I an old fart or am I right to be pissed that some jackass is skateboarding down the halls of the White House while all this Iranian shit is going down?…
Right now, people are risking their lives for the glimmer of freedom, and Tony Hawk is in the White House tweeting about Frosted Flakes.
Update (AP): I’m skeptical that Mousavi would send a letter to Obama without publicizing it, but for what it’s worth, Michael Ledeen says he’s got a copy. Excerpt:
In the name of the Iranian people, we want you to know that when you recently made the statement “Achmadinejad or Mousavi? Two of a kind,” we consider this as a grave and deep insult, not just to Mr. Mousavi but especially against the judgment of the Iranian people, against our moral conviction and intelligence, especially those of the young generation that comprises a population of 31 million.
It is a specially grave insult for those who are now fighting for democracy and freedom, and an unwarranted gift and even praise for Mr. Khamenei, whose security forces are now killing peaceful Iranians in the streets of every major city in the country.
Update (AP): If Iranian goons are willing to shoot women dead in the street, I guess it makes sense that they’re willing to drag the wounded from hospitals where they’re being treated. Note that communications from the notorious Evin prison have been cut off, too. I’ve got a nutty hunch that whatever’s going on inside is a bit worse than waterboarding.
Update (AP): CNN is airing YouTube vids of today’s brutality nonstop, which makes me think American public opinion of the regime will soon be so poisonous as to make diplomacy impossible. The One simply won’t be able to justify shaking these cretins’ bloody hands. If that’s so, it means negotiations are dead and a desperate Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear sites is assured — unless the regime is overthrown. The stakes couldn’t be higher.
Update (AP): I keep waiting for news to break that Hamas or Hezbollah has attacked Israel, as Iran could use a distraction right now to appeal to the protesters’ sympathies. Maybe this week? Southern Iraq would be an even more attractive target, as it would embarrass the U.S. The fact that they haven’t done that may be among the best evidence yet of how weak their influence has become in that part of the country.
Update (AP): Just posted at Mousavi’s Facebook page, feast your eyes on Iranian police rushing a crowd of protesters, unsheathing the batons, and swinging for the fences. The chaos starts a little more than a minute in.
Update (AP): The sounds of terror: Screams in the night as the Basij break into people’s homes.
Update (AP): I’m skeptical, but supposedly this clip shows the good guys getting a measure of revenge by lighting a gas line … that leads straight into a Basij complex in eastern Tehran. Watch for the boom five seconds in.










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Liberals are already ticked just by making fun of people. I say – bring back dodgeball before we all have to wear dresses.
dpierson on June 20, 2009 at 8:24 PM
And as Obama uttered these words he was thinking “Turkey flavored ice cream… yum…”
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Here’s the interesting part. They discovered the pencil but no one knew how to use it until the British showed up.
katy on June 20, 2009 at 8:25 PM
That is not evidence, it’s propaganda. I dont know how old you are, but I am just old enough to remember doing duck and cover drills in elementary school. I remember my friends fathers and brothers coming home from Vietnam in body bags. I remember the stark cold terror of the cold war and remember watching it flare dangerously close to turning hot.
It’s up to the Iranian people to change the course they have set before it either becomes a nuclear war or somebody like Israel bombs them back to the stone age. Consider what happens if Israel bombs Iran while we still have 100,000 plus troops in Iraq and 50,000 plus in Afghanistan. Talk about the $hit really and truly hitting the fan.
So yes, my attitude is my fellow Americans really need to sit down and shut up and allow what is happening in Iran to follow it’s course. Most likely what is happening has a great deal to do with US and Israeli efforts to seriously change the Iranian ruling regime.
doriangrey on June 20, 2009 at 8:25 PM
LOL.
progressoverpeace on June 20, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Hmm. I confess, I have no idea.
I don’t think there’s much doubt about that.
Ugly on June 20, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Hehe…
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:28 PM
I disagree. We need to make sure that what is happening continues as long as possible to destabilize the country and make sure they are too busy fighting each other than causing problems all over the place.
dpierson on June 20, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Well,I’m a tad late to the In Iran,protesters are being
Slaughtered for the Mullahs thread!
I said a couple of days ago,that whats needed was a spark,
to set this tinderbox alight!
So,was the shooting,and the death of the young Iranian
girl that spark?
canopfor on June 20, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Sensitive? I don’t get that very often.
MB4 on June 20, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Yeah… liberals are concerned. Should everyone where a dress or run around naked! The dilemma!
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:29 PM
There is a battle going on over the wiki for Mousavi, but this was interesting from the history:
pedestrian on June 20, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Very few in America remember that we lived with the threat of instant annihiliation for decades. Almost all refuse to accept the fact that we still live with that threat, which is why we have all this idiocy about pouring water on terrorists’ faces. The fantasy world of liberals was promoted to alleged reality as the SOviet Union fell and many Americans repressed all memories of the Cold War and never spoke about our strategic nuclear arsenal again. It’s as if it doesn’t exist, as we have deemed even contemplation of its use to be illegal. It’s a sick world these days that is going to have to face reality at some point. Some point very soon.
progressoverpeace on June 20, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Stoning people hasn’t been a spark in the past…
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:30 PM
johngalt23… I don’t know as he actually said that, but the sentiment is spot on.
either orr on June 20, 2009 at 8:31 PM
I like to think Upstater85 was speaking to the millions upon millions of teeth in the UK.
Ugly on June 20, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Well, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to imply that British genetics were superior. Just some ideology.
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:32 PM
From my friend, Winston, a Persian-Canadian blogger:
“girl who was shot dead in front of her father in tehran today was called Neda, her name means Voice. not posting the link, too damn sad”
His web site is http://www.thespiritofman.blogspot.com
nickj116 on June 20, 2009 at 8:32 PM
Ah… the teeth… OK, quick before our comments get scrubbed… Why are British teeth so bad but Americans tend to have good teeth? Did we just mix in a lot of Germans?
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:33 PM
From the Office of Mr. Mir Hossein Mousavi
To the President of the USA, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama:
Dear Mr. President,
In the name of the Iranian people, we want you to know that when you recently made the statement “Achmadinejad or Mousavi? Two of a kind,” we consider this as a grave and deep insult, not just to Mr. Mousavi but especially against the judgment of the Iranian people, against our moral conviction and intelligence, especially those of the young generation that comprises a population of 31 million.
It is a specially grave insult for those who are now fighting for democracy and freedom, and an unwarranted gift and even praise for Mr. Khamenei, whose security forces are now killing peaceful Iranians in the streets of every major city in the country.
Your statement misled the people of the world. It was no doubt inspired by your hope for dialogue with this regime, but you cannot possibly believe in promises from a regime that lies to its own people and then kills them when they demand the promises be kept.
By such statements, your administration and you discourage the Iranian people, who believe and trust in the values of democracy and freedom. We are pleased to see that you have condemned the regime’s murderous violence, and we look forward to stronger support for the rightful struggle of the Iranian people against the actions of a regime that is your enemy as well as ours.
TheBigOldDog on June 20, 2009 at 8:33 PM
…..run around naked…..
Upstater85 on June 29,2009 at 8:29PM.
Upstater85:Compromise,how about holding the dress,and runn
ing naked!:)hehe.
canopfor on June 20, 2009 at 8:34 PM
This is what Islam is.
The Iranians want George Bush, but we can’t keep on going in debt saving peoples butt. They have to do it themselves, and revolutions are never bloodless.
When will we have ours?
Lisa on June 20, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Q: What’s the difference between Tony Hawk skateboarding through the White House during the Iran crisis, and Obama?
A: Nothing.
Loxodonta on June 20, 2009 at 8:34 PM
But look at the great things Bill C. (and that compassionate conservative) GB 41 did with the peace dividend. Heh – we won – lets cut the military in a way to make being a soldier more dangerous but keep the fricking Air Force supplied like it 1969.
We lost our forward leaning posture and have paid the price ever since.
dpierson on June 20, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Dude, we are of the same generation. I still have those little pamphlets they passed out from “Civil Defense.”
And as I said earlier, my “job description” in the military was cannon fodder for the Fulda Gap. I know fear and hate. Mostly fear.
This is something else entirely.
I will be happy to respect your views, but I think it’s imperative you respect mine. You or I could BOTH be wrong, but I think this is not a weird Muslim diversion or a quick-whacked turn on to a well-dwelling Imam.
This is the real thing. This is about people crying- and dying- for their freedom. And I swear to you, if a company of Marines floated down out of the sky and started protecting these people from the regime scum, their names would be legend until the end of time. I really feel that.
This could possibly be the most amazing time in history, but our TOTUS just can’t see it.
And that sucks.
wccawa on June 20, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Fear not…your Air Force is awake!
jerrytbg on June 20, 2009 at 8:34 PM
I’ve heard that this is what Obama does at 3:00AM
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Was GB41 a Compassionate Conservative (officially)?
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Don’t know if MSNBC has heard, but there’s some stuff in Iran they might want to have live coverage on. #MSNBCfail #iranelection
TheBigOldDog on June 20, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Right when Obama gets back from Ben and Jerry’s
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:33 PM
lol… well, my comment was made in jest, but now that you mention it….
Ugly on June 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Exactly, it’s also as if most of our fellow citizens think that we should never actually kill our enemies. Or if we do have to shoot at them that our bullets should come with a doctor and an ambulance attached to them.
Iran is not our friend, they are engaged in a very real although undeclared war with us. They are killing our military people in Iraq right now. They are building nuclear weapons which they fully intend to use.
doriangrey on June 20, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Pictures from #Tehran. http://bit.ly/pFsEn . Warning: some are graphic. #iranelection
TheBigOldDog on June 20, 2009 at 8:38 PM
I seem to remember him getting elected as that. I don’t know what he really stood for – he seemed to get the job because he held every other position before that.
dpierson on June 20, 2009 at 8:38 PM
wccawa on June 20, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Well said and much respect to you
Ugly on June 20, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Yep. I think that Bush Sr’s empowerment of the UN in the wake of the USSR’s fall was one of the biggest mistakes in all of human history – and, easily, one of the dumbest moves possible. The only decent thing Clinton did was blow off the UN with Kosovo (even though Kosovo was Europe’s responsibility and we had no business mucking around in that) but he also strengthened the UN in every other respect.
The UN is the single, most dangerous organization in the world today, by my estimation. I cannot understand anyone who thinks that an empowered, peerless, competitionless entity can ever be a good, or constructive, entity. It just defies logic, common sense, and any reading of history.
progressoverpeace on June 20, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Hmmm I was a young, young child when he ran…
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Words fail.
JohnGalt23 on June 20, 2009 at 8:40 PM
If Mousavi truly wrote that letter, then he just signed his own death warrant.
Although he seems reasonably smart enough to know that he was probably marked for execution about four days ago.
Khorum on June 20, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Heh, a small cup, indeed.
Maquis on June 20, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Oof!
progressoverpeace on June 20, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Wow. Thanks, TBOD
Ugly on June 20, 2009 at 8:41 PM
All they need are TWO nukes…Pulse Enhanced…one over the middle east… one over Kansas…1850′s here we come.
jerrytbg on June 20, 2009 at 8:41 PM
Iran Election Crisis: 10 Incredible YouTube Videos
TheBigOldDog on June 20, 2009 at 8:41 PM
He was a globalist, which is about as bad as it gets.
progressoverpeace on June 20, 2009 at 8:42 PM
That’s odd. Every time Obama mentions anything, I think, “Turkey.”
Loxodonta on June 20, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Oh, believe me when I say that I respect your views, I just dont share them. In the deepest darkest depths of my heart I hope and pray that you are correct and that I am wrong.
I would on the other hand much rather be found standing foolishly around armed to the teeth waiting for an attack that never comes, then be found unarmed in the rubble of my home because I chose blind unsupported hope over diligence.
doriangrey on June 20, 2009 at 8:44 PM
That element of the left, with rhetoric like that, seems to want to provoke another Civil War.
petefrt on June 20, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Couldn’t bring myself to watch the video… but has MegMac cut her hair?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/20/paul-begala-schools-megha_n_218469.html
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Picture from #Tehran.
TheBigOldDog on June 20,2009 at 8:38PM.
TheBigOldDog: Thanks for the link! Whats the score in Iran,
between the good bad guys and the bad bad
guys!:)
canopfor on June 20, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Oof=Oaf? cute…
jerrytbg on June 20, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Dude, this girl on the rooftop is not killing anyone. She is crying, and dreaming of a better life. And it’s a goddamn powerful video.
I would stand next to her and protect her if I could. It’s the way this country used to be.
And yes, I am going to repost and repost this video until I’m banned.
wccawa on June 20, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Funny I was in Army when he got elected – getting old. I bet you don’t remember the “1000 points of light” then either.
GW 41 was the first step in making us a less safer country. If RR had still been president I am sure he would have created a solid footing for our countries defense for the next 50 years. GW was the first step in the sissyfication of this country. We won the cold war by being harder than the other guy and once we won we suddenly turned all soft wand fuzzy and started looking to the UN (which did nothing for us during the cold war) for leadership.
dpierson on June 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM
That’s ‘cuz you’re a gracious and dignified gent… I think far worse.
Maquis on June 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Yep. It’s a very dangerous path we have embarked on, in those respects. We have also forgotten taht we rebuild after we have devastated an enemy, if we so chose. Nowadays, people think that we have some responsibility to reconstruct those nations that have made themselves such threats to us that we had to go in and destroy them. It’s like the difference between Americans privately giving so much to charity and then having the government tax that amount to force them to give to the government to give to charities that the government decides on. And most people don’t seem to understand the difference.
progressoverpeace on June 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM
That sound you hear? It is barely audible, but you can hear it if you listen carefully.
It is the last fig leaf that Obama was holding in front of himself falling away.
MB4 on June 20, 2009 at 8:47 PM
???
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Why was Tony Hawk Twittering from the White House about Joe and Barry?
Loxodonta on June 20, 2009 at 8:47 PM
BORING!
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Agreed !
jerrytbg on June 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM
You lost me, jerry. “Oof”, as in “dude”.
progressoverpeace on June 20, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Indeed.
Weight of Glory on June 20, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Confirmed ppl are being arrested in hospitals and dragged from their homes. #IranElection: Confirmed ppl are bei.. http://bit.ly/uI5K6
TheBigOldDog on June 20, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Well, I’m not going to post what I think the Turkey is stuffed with.
Loxodonta on June 20, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Not a peep, of their own volition anyway, from any of the blue-dogs that I know and/or interact with on the interwebs.
In fact, when I brought up Obama and his laxidasical attitude with Iran, and the fact that he won’t even make the smallest effort to defend or interact with the Iranian protestors whom have surely been supremely jerked around by their government rigged election, and I mentioned Tony Hawk skatebaording around the White House and Obama going for ice cream trips and so on, while the Iranian people are being murdered in cold blood as they simply demand democracy and freedom and a fair election from their leaders… the blue-dogs defend Obama furiously.
They most often retreat into their glass houses as another flare-up of Bush Derangement Syndrome takes them over and all that most of them could do is retort that George Bush kept reading the book ‘My Pet Goat’ to the school children while the second plane flew into the World Trade Center buildings.
…
SilverStar830 on June 20, 2009 at 8:50 PM
ROTFLMAO… Thank you for bringing the funny… I guess we might be sharing a cell at the William Ayer’s Memorial Community Re-education and Conservative Elimination Facility. ;O
doriangrey on June 20, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Do we know for sure if Mousavi sent that lettere? If he did, won’t this badly damage Obama?
Terrye on June 20, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Perfect.
petefrt on June 20, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:47 PM
http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres63.html
dpierson on June 20, 2009 at 8:51 PM
If you are banned, I will email you one of my ID’s. I’ve got plenty.
Joe Bloggs on June 20, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Nailed it!
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Yeah… it’s coming back now…
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:53 PM
FIFY… ;p
doriangrey on June 20, 2009 at 8:53 PM
I can’t wait til Barry’s photo op with Ahmadinejad. Aside from Barry’s arrogance, that picture is going to be the gift that keeps on giving. LOL!
elduende on June 20, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Fair enough. But I think you already know I would stand side by side with you to protect any American family.
This thing in Iran, though… there is much that has awakened in me the past few days. Many feelings from deep inside that want me to just hug these people as if they were a child…
If there were anything I could do to protect them…. sigh… words are just never enough at a time like this.
I felt very much the same feelings for my friends in Georgia when Putin invaded last summer.
But tonight? My God… we are witnessing something never before seen, I think. These are people, not a regime. They cry for aid, but it does not come. Imagine the change this world would experience should Iran “fall” to a more democratic society. Even a marginal one.
Words fail me here.
wccawa on June 20, 2009 at 8:54 PM
please do. I felt the same way.
I’m not naive about concerning the big picture but I think most of the young people are sick of the oppression.
katy on June 20, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Who will lick whom’s arse?
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 8:55 PM
is that letter for real?
damn
BPD on June 20, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Tony Hawk is a War Criminal!
Skateboarding is torture!
Americans don’t skateboard!
Loxodonta on June 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Iran is not our friend….
doriangrey on June 20,2009 at 8:37PM
doriangrey:
Heres how I see,the Mullahs have threatened death to the protesters,if they don’t stop!
I hope the Iranians citizens overthrow,and and bring democracy to Iran,if not,then,the Mullahs are hell bent
on nuclear weapons.Then Iran should be vapourized to
smoking gapeing hole!!:)
canopfor on June 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM
And lo and behold…. to the surprise of most, there was little to see…
katy on June 20, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Isn’t that what Krauthammer said also, earlier today. Sums up the Obama strategy, if indeed there is any strategy, in a few short words: Believing in promises from a regime that lies to its own people and then kills them when they demand the promises be kept.
petefrt on June 20, 2009 at 8:58 PM
More likely, it is someone related to Mousavi’s campaign. The language suggests less of an “official” correspondence to the White House and more of a 20-something campaign worker angry that Obama is dissing his/ her boss.
Illinidiva on June 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM
there are evil governments in this world. ahmadinejad’s iran is one of them. im sick from these videos, these pictures. its so brutal and so senseless…how could they do this to their own people?
its their Tienanmen. except this time we can see just what a crackdown looks like.
ernesto on June 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Obama is missing the opportunity to change the perception of the US as the Great Satan to a friend to turn to in time of turmoil. Hearts and minds.
txmomof6 on June 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM
From Shep to Geraldo. Kill me now.
Ugly on June 20, 2009 at 9:00 PM
oops…What’s that expression the youngens use…my bad…
I guess I was just being a little sensitive…I thought you misspelled the word…
I was trying to lighten the load and fustration we’re all feeling now…I don’t believe there is anything we can do in a physical way…it has to play out and I know it sucks…If they are sucessful in dealing with the Mullahs it will, unfortunatly, be short lived for the other reasons I stated previously…imho… God help them.
jerrytbg on June 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM
katy:
Ain’t that the truth. I am more of a man than Obama is…and I am not a man at all.
Terrye on June 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Tony Hawk skateboarding in the White House!!
Sums up the Obama Administration!
While Iran Burns,Hopey watchs skatboarding
up,and down the hallways of the White House||
canopfor on June 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Either way , it’s an opportunity with little to lose and potential much to gain.
the_nile on June 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM
I still want some answers to my “exit question”…
If 50 Marines suddenly, magically appeared on a random square in downtown Teheran, fighting against the regime/thugs, protecting the protestors, would they be welcomed? Or ripped apart?
It’s not an entirely academic question.
wccawa on June 20, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Cool, I got first comment of the thread.
Bishop on June 20, 2009 at 9:03 PM
LOL! I think we both know the answer to that don’t you?
Do you think that $109 Billion IMF bailout that Barry was pushing is for the IMF to bail out Europe? LOL! Turns out Barry’s Ice Cream outing today was just practice for what he’s going to be doing to Khamenei’s better side…LOL!
elduende on June 20, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Camelot Deux
Upstater85 on June 20, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Illnidiva:
Maybe, but it still is not good.
I know the Iranians are not our friends, but I have to feel sorry for these young people. They are so trapped in that regime.
Terrye on June 20, 2009 at 9:03 PM
OOPS!
As Obama’s incompetence is laid bare, I can sense that the GOP is slouching back into its big, overstuffed easy chair.
With each passing day, the urgency to eject the filthy RINOs is lessened. What a shame.
jay12 on June 20, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Only if you value freedom. Obama not so much.
txmomof6 on June 20, 2009 at 9:04 PM
at 3:00AM.
Upstater85 on June 20,2009 at 8:35PM.
Upstater85:hehe:)
canopfor on June 20, 2009 at 9:04 PM
jay12:
Oh for heavens sake.
Terrye on June 20, 2009 at 9:04 PM
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