Chaos in Iran: I’m ready for martyrdom, says Mousavi; Videos: Woman murdered in cold blood; Update: Obama calls on regime to end violence; Update: Obama goes out for ice cream; Rumor: 150 dead? Report: Mousavi’s office sends letter to Obama?

posted at 9:23 am on June 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Today is widely considered the crucial day of the Iranian crisis, which erupted when the ruling mullahs of the Guardian Council made their vote-rigging too obvious for their subjects to ignore.  Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei warned Iranians yesterday that his patience was at an end with protests, but activists claimed that they would defy Khamenei and gather again in cities to protest the government and the election results.  Today, sketchy reports have hundreds of police blocking access to key areas, including the use of teargas, to keep protestors out:

Heavily armed police prevented several thousand Iranian protesters Saturday from entering Revolution Square — one of the main protest sites in Tehran, a witness told CNN.

About a mile away, police kept the crowd back by throwing two canisters of tear gas at their feet, the witness said.

The Web site of the main opposition candidate, Mir Hossein Moussavi, quoted news reports as saying a flood of people were headed to the capital from surrounding towns.

Thus far, we’ve seen attempts by the government to spread misinformation about the rallies, and confusion and hesitation among the organizers.  Protests today will almost certainly be an irrevocable act.  If the government doesn’t act with force to suppress the protests, the mullahs will lose all credibility and will have to run for their lives.  If they give the order to attack and the police don’t carry it out, they will have to run for their lives.  They know the stakes and the risk, but the alternatives for them are all bad; their backs are against the wall — but they still have all the guns, at least for now.

We’ll keep an eye on reports and update as the day goes along.  So far, it looks as though the confrontation will come.

Update (AP): Multiple Iranian twitterers are claiming there’s been some sort of explosion at Khomeini’s shrine, which they’re treating as the regime’s version of the Reichstag fire. There’s precedent for that in Iranian history, too.

Update (Ed): NBC’s Today has a good, if basic, report this morning:

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Update (AP): The Khaleej Times says the explosion at Khomeini’s shrine was caused by a suicide bomber. Hmmm.

Update (AP): Two mind-blowing videos for you. The second is familiar; it’s clearly taken at the same assault on the Basij complex that I wrote about earlier this week. Watch all the way through and you’ll see Iranian protesters actually fall after being shot. I don’t know where the first clip is from — it was uploaded by BBC Persia today but could also be from the Basij complex incident a few days ago — but it’s the closest thing I’ve seen yet to all-out war.

As I write this, Iranian twitterers are reporting use of water cannons, teargas, gunshots, and even some sort of burning agent being dropped on the crowds by helicopters. There’s still no confirmation as far as I know that a bomb really did go off at Khomeini’s shrine, but Reuters is now reporting that Mousavi supporters have set fire to a building being used by Ahmadinejad supporters. And now, suddenly, Mousavi is making some sort of statement where he says he’s prepared for martyrdom. Sounds like the gloves are finally all the way off.

Update (AP): Anecdotally, after following them all week, I can tell you that the tone of Iranian twitterers is strikingly different from what it’s been before. Some are openly asking people to pray for them. The fear is palpable.

Here’s a poignant video in Farsi with English subtitles that’s making the rounds today. The din you hear in the background is Tehranians screaming “Allahu Akbar” in defiance of Khamenei last night.

Update (AP): A comparatively calm but significant new clip: According to NIAC, protesters can be heard chanting “Marg bar Khamenei,” i.e. “Death to Khamanei.” It’s not about Ahmadinejad anymore.

Update (AP): If you’re unfamiliar with the cast of characters in Iran, Time’s primer is useful. Meanwhile, new video of what the streets look like in Tehran today. Note the end, where a few protesters display nightsticks they’ve seized from the Basij — to cheers from the crowd.

Update (AP): To see just how bad things have gotten, brace yourself and click here. Strong content warning.

Update (AP): Mousavi knows the regime can’t let him walk free forever and is calling for a strike if he’s detained. Who steps in if he’s jailed, I wonder. Karroubi? Rafsanjani, whom Khamenei would be loath to arrest lest it inflame the clerics?

Gosh, if only the U.S. had troops stationed in some neighboring country or countries so that we could start feeding weapons to the protesters.

Update (AP): Not sure if this is wise under the circumstances, but Israel’s minister for strategic affairs is now openly predicting a revolution — with no resulting change in Iran’s nuke program. Meanwhile, a provocative report from NIAC:

This morning a friend of NIAC who gets Iranian Satellite TV here said that state-run media showed President Obama speaking about Iran this morning. However, instead of translating what he actually said, the translator reportedly quoted Obama as saying he “supports the protesters against the government and they should keep protesting.

Assuming this report is correct, it shows the Iranian government is eager to portray Obama as a partisan supporting the demonstrators.

Update (AP): A HuffPo reader reports that the news about a bombing at Khomeini’s shrine appears to be yet another regime lie:

“I’m watching state TV here in Dubai and they just did a report on the bombing at the mausoleum. There was NO DAMAGE. All they showed was a broken window saying the “terrorists” luckily blew themselves up outside the building before doing any damage inside. The “bombing” was clearly a fraud as there was NO DAMAGE done to the mausoleum other than a broken window they showed at the entrance of the building. It clearly looked like there was NO BOMBING, no explosion fragments or blood shown just one shattered window. Also a correction to my previous e-mail. The program said the youths had been talking to “friends” in the U.K. and the U.S. on the phone about causing destruction in Iran rather than actually going to the U.S. and being trained. Important difference but the subtext is the same. They’re clearly building a case for foreign interference i.e. the U.K and U.S.”

Update (AP): Dear god. Here’s another extremely graphic video of the murder of the young woman I linked up above. NIAC translates the Facebook description as follows: “A young woman who was standing aside with her father watching the protests was shot by a basij member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house. He had clear shot at the girl and could not miss her. However, he aimed straight her heart. I am a doctor, so I rushed to try to save her. But the impact of the gunshot was so fierce that the bullet had blasted inside the victim’s chest, and she died in less than 2 minutes.”

Update (AP): Another one that’s going viral shot at Shiraz University. Note at about 90 seconds in how the police trap women against the gate and break out the nightsticks. Click the image to watch.

Update (AP): Multiple reports on Twitter now that people are shouting from the rooftops — literally — at Khamenei and the regime.

Update (AP): Verrry interesting: Rooftop shouts now being heard in Mashad, the Shiites’ second holiest city. Proof that the clerics are coming around to the people’s side?

Update (AP): Another murder in Tehran. Skip ahead to 3:25 to see the latest victim of Iran’s “robust debate,” or watch from the beginning and you’ll find protesters picking up rocks and chanting “Marg bar dictator.”

Update (AP): A statement from the White House:

The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.

As I said in Cairo, suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. The Iranian people will ultimately judge the actions of their own government. If the Iranian government seeks the respect of the international community, it must respect the dignity of its own people and govern through consent, not coercion.

Martin Luther King once said – “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” I believe that. The international community believes that. And right now, we are bearing witness to the Iranian peoples’ belief in that truth, and we will continue to bear witness.

Update (AP): An ominous rumor from Tehran Bureau: “good source: Hospital close to the scene in Tehran: 30-40 dead thus far as of 11pm and 200 injured. Police taking names of incoming injured.”

Update (AP): I linked the Facebook video of the young woman being murdered by the Basij earlier but it deserves wide dissemination so I’m giving you the embeddable LiveLeak version too. Forward the link around.

Update (AP): More Twitter reports trickling in about acid or some other sort of corrosive agent being dropped on protesters. And there’s a hot rumor that the Canadian embassy in Tehran has its gates closed to the injured, even as many other embassies have theirs opened. Can anyone confirm/deny?

Update (AP): It’s raining rocks on the streets of Tehran.

Update (AP): Reuel Marc Gerecht tries to answer the million-dollar question: Why would Khamenei risk his supreme authority to fix the election for a disposable goon like Ahmadinejad?

Khamenei, who worked with and struggled against Mousavi for a decade, knows the former prime minister politically as well as anyone. The supreme leader knows that what Mousavi lacks in charisma he has always made up in doggedness…

Khamenei acted so crudely and rashly on June 12 because he’d already seen this movie. What’s happening in Iran now is all about democracy, about the contradictory and chaotic bedfellows that it makes, about the questioning of authority and the personal curiosity that it unleashes. Khamenei knows what George H.W. Bush’s “realist” national security adviser Brent Scowcroft surely knows, too: Democracy in Iran implies regime change. Where Iranians in the 1990s could try to play games with themselves–be in favor of greater democracy but refrain from saying publicly that the current government was illegitimate–this fiction is no longer possible. Khamenei has forced Mousavi and, more important, the people behind him into opposition to himself and the political system he leads. Unless Mousavi gives up, and thereby deflates the millions who’ve gathered around him, a permanent opposition to Khamenei and his constitutionally ordained supremacy has now formed. Like it or not, Mousavi has become the new Khatami–except this time the opposition is stronger and led by a man of considerable intestinal fortitude.

I don’t get it. If Mousavi’s famous for his perseverance, the last thing you’d want to do is antagonize him and his youth movement by defrauding him. It’s practically begging for an uprising. The smart move would be to placate him by bringing him into the regime and then compromising with him on some basic reforms; that, at least, would keep the regime in place. It makes more sense to me to think that Khamenei feared opposing Ahmadinejad because he’s been such a generous patron to the Revolutionary Guard. If Mousavi won and Khamenei endorsed it, the Guard might stage a coup to protect the gravy train they’ve been riding for the past four years. That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.

Update (AP): Have we already reached the point in the crackdown where negotiating with Iran is unthinkable? I know The One has his heart set on it, but the point’s going to come — if it hasn’t already — where the regime behaves so monstrously that he simply can’t afford a photo op with them. As a thought experiment, imagine that the tanks roll tomorrow and then Khamenei turns around on Monday and offers to give up the nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of all sanctions and full diplomatic recognition. Can Obama make that deal now, knowing that it would legitimize these monsters?

Update (AP): Uh oh: The latest Twitter rumor claims there’s a tank in Azadi Square.

Update (AP): CBS reporter Mark Knoller reports that the president decided today of all days would be a good time for a leisurely trip to the ice-cream parlor. Quoth Jim Treacher: “Imagine if Bush went on an ice cream run during something like this. He’d be ‘Worst Person in the World’ every day forever.” Any lefties care to dispute that, especially in light of the longstanding faux outrage over this clip?

Update (AP): The latest unverified/rumored death toll is 150. In other news, Obama ordered a small cup of vanilla.

Update (AP): If Gutfeld’s this pissed about the skateboarding photo op, wait until he hears about the ice cream trip.

Am I an old fart or am I right to be pissed that some jackass is skateboarding down the halls of the White House while all this Iranian shit is going down?…

Right now, people are risking their lives for the glimmer of freedom, and Tony Hawk is in the White House tweeting about Frosted Flakes.

Update (AP): I’m skeptical that Mousavi would send a letter to Obama without publicizing it, but for what it’s worth, Michael Ledeen says he’s got a copy. Excerpt:

In the name of the Iranian people, we want you to know that when you recently made the statement “Achmadinejad or Mousavi? Two of a kind,” we consider this as a grave and deep insult, not just to Mr. Mousavi but especially against the judgment of the Iranian people, against our moral conviction and intelligence, especially those of the young generation that comprises a population of 31 million.

It is a specially grave insult for those who are now fighting for democracy and freedom, and an unwarranted gift and even praise for Mr. Khamenei, whose security forces are now killing peaceful Iranians in the streets of every major city in the country.

Update (AP): If Iranian goons are willing to shoot women dead in the street, I guess it makes sense that they’re willing to drag the wounded from hospitals where they’re being treated. Note that communications from the notorious Evin prison have been cut off, too. I’ve got a nutty hunch that whatever’s going on inside is a bit worse than waterboarding.

Update (AP): CNN is airing YouTube vids of today’s brutality nonstop, which makes me think American public opinion of the regime will soon be so poisonous as to make diplomacy impossible. The One simply won’t be able to justify shaking these cretins’ bloody hands. If that’s so, it means negotiations are dead and a desperate Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear sites is assured — unless the regime is overthrown. The stakes couldn’t be higher.

Update (AP): I keep waiting for news to break that Hamas or Hezbollah has attacked Israel, as Iran could use a distraction right now to appeal to the protesters’ sympathies. Maybe this week? Southern Iraq would be an even more attractive target, as it would embarrass the U.S. The fact that they haven’t done that may be among the best evidence yet of how weak their influence has become in that part of the country.

Update (AP): Just posted at Mousavi’s Facebook page, feast your eyes on Iranian police rushing a crowd of protesters, unsheathing the batons, and swinging for the fences. The chaos starts a little more than a minute in.

Update (AP): The sounds of terror: Screams in the night as the Basij break into people’s homes.

Update (AP): I’m skeptical, but supposedly this clip shows the good guys getting a measure of revenge by lighting a gas line … that leads straight into a Basij complex in eastern Tehran. Watch for the boom five seconds in.


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Look up the two, and their ultimate end, and you’ll get the point Bishop is making. Unfortunately the point is probably lost on HAL.

NotCoach on May 19, 2013 at 6:52 PM

No need, I already got the point Bishop was making.

I was just making a joke in the same vein, i.e the sycophantic state security apparatus never sleeps.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 19, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Hey! This must be the first Sunday show appearance for a hobbit!

PD Quig on May 19, 2013 at 9:21 PM

If my party and people who share my ideology start raving about how they are so proud to be anti America like the tea billies, I say target them too.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM

So were you in a coma from 2001-2009, or on a different planet?

Good Solid B-Plus on May 19, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Uranus.

Is HAL’s poster of the O above his bed a naked O????????

either orr on May 19, 2013 at 7:20 PM

On black velvet. I’ve heard they sell well in black gay bars up there in DC.

slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 7:33 PM

velveteen no doubt…probably too cheap for actual velvet.

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 7:43 PM

My job takes me into the homes of anonymous people, and over the past 4+ years I have been amazed to see more than a few who literally had O’bama Shrines not only in their living rooms, but more frequently in their bedrooms. And these were all folks who are white.

Never saw that before, even with JFK or Reagan. To these fools, O’bama is The Pope.

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 9:29 PM

To these fools, O’bama is The Pope.

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 9:29 PM

to me he’s the Dope.
And there is no hope from that dope.

dmacleo on May 19, 2013 at 10:06 PM

The only hack here is HotAirLib.

Here’s Karl

On Sunday’s “Reliable Sources,” Howard Kurtz relayed a statement from the ABC News correspondent: “Clearly, I regret the email was quoted incorrectly and I regret that it’s become a distraction from the story, which still entirely stands. I should have been clearer about the attribution. We updated our story immediately.”

In twitter comments Karl regrets that be didn’t cite the source of his information as a note and not a primary source.

In other words he still stands by his reporting. Just like the linked NRO story states.

gwelf on May 19, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Dealing with the Obama administration is much like catching a 3-4 year old child in an obvious lie.

landlines on May 19, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Is HAL’s poster of the O above his bed a naked O????????

either orr on May 19, 2013 at 7:20 PM

On black velvet. I’ve heard they sell well in black gay bars up there in DC.

slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 7:33 PM

velveteen no doubt…probably too cheap for actual velvet.

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 7:43 PM

My job takes me into the homes of anonymous people, and over the past 4+ years I have been amazed to see more than a few who literally had O’bama Shrines not only in their living rooms, but more frequently in their bedrooms. And these were all folks who are white.

Never saw that before, even with JFK or Reagan. To these fools, O’bama is The Pope.

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Weird.

workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 11:34 PM

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Babe, if they put your brain on a razor blade it’d look like a BB rollin’ down a four lane highway…..

Long John Baldry, Mar Y Sol

Tenwheeler on May 19, 2013 at 11:49 PM

“WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?” “IT’S NOT RELEVANT”! “I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT”. “WE ARE ALL UNFETTERED”. “IT MAY HAVE BEEN WRONG BUT IT WASN’T ILLEGAL”.
OBAMA’S LEGACY

inspectorudy on May 19, 2013 at 11:56 PM

And the big point… “Why were we working off notes?”

Because the White House didn’t allow copies of the e-mails to be distributed…

It was a limited release of some data with large restrictions… the way Obama plays everything. And a few people could see it for just a bit, but they couldn’t have a copy.

On March 19, the White House briefed the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, along with staff for Speaker John Boehner and minority leader Nancy Pelosi, on the emails in question. Those at the briefing were permitted to take notes but not copy the contents of the emails.

Why not let them have copies if they could see them?

Because letting them have a copy would get accurate quotes of course; and that wouldn’t be acceptable.

gekkobear on May 20, 2013 at 12:01 AM

If my party and people who share my ideology start raving about how they are so proud to be anti America like the tea billies, I say target them too.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Tea Partiers aren’t anti America. They advocate sticking with American ideas like those expressed in the Constitution. If they’re anti-American, then so was James Madison.

They probably represent a majority of the people who remember why America is different than most nations, and what gives individual Americans the ability to improve their lot in life.

A big central government can’t supply happiness or success. Heck, it can’t even supply toilet paper.

hawksruleva on May 20, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Its a good thing that I ate supper several hours ago because I would have puked my guts out after watching the horses ASS David Gregory on NBC’s hoax Sunday show. He’s another Chapstick addict. The only thing he did was chap his lips kissing Obama’s ASS for the whole show.

I know the answer to my own question but how in the hell can anybody with at least half a brain take this $h!t from Obama’s minions seriously

hamradio on May 20, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Believing this is believing Obama was actually outraged the IRS targeted those tea party fraudulent groups. A targeting strategy i am 100% for.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Because, you know, that targeting strategy could never be used against causes you favor.

ctwelve on May 20, 2013 at 2:07 AM

Believing this is believing Obama was actually outraged the IRS targeted those tea party fraudulent groups. A targeting strategy i am 100% for.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

An idiot wrapped up in a moron !!!

hamradio on May 20, 2013 at 3:35 AM

Babe, if they put your brain on a razor blade it’d look like a BB rollin’ down a four lane highway…..

Long John Baldry, Mar Y Sol

Tenwheeler on May 19, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Nice!

totherightofthem on May 20, 2013 at 7:08 AM

He has given you all he wants to give you.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

I’m guessing you stand ready to take a little more from him, though, right?

Go towel off. Your fear permeates the room.

totherightofthem on May 20, 2013 at 7:28 AM

Me guess, all the evils in the universe are the republicans fault. There can be no government big enough to counter all the ills that republicans do.

racquetballer on May 20, 2013 at 7:53 AM

I didn’t think the WH could do worse than Carney or Rice….until this clown…

easyt65 on May 20, 2013 at 8:12 AM

There is an achilles heel with Banghazi.It is where was zero when the terror types attacked.They can’t and won’t answer that one question,they will have to lie.

rodguy911 on May 20, 2013 at 8:14 AM

Release the kracken! Or, at least Obama’s transcripts from Harvard.

racquetballer on May 20, 2013 at 8:50 AM

First, this is to cover the fact two days of emails are still missing THE FIRST TWO DAYS! What is on them? Oh yeah, the really bad stuff.

Second- A sign your administration is in trouble is when it sends out the some intern looking fellow who is back from a college break!

It’s like “Dude, I don’t know what is going on, but these guys from the White House grabbed me on my way to the beach with my board and put this suit on me. They said if I keep repeating the same line over and over, they would take me to Subway afterward for a footlong! I mean who could say no! Knarly!”

Put “Biff” back in the closet and get someone who thinks they have future in politics worth risking to show up.

Right now the equation appears to be: Rats=sinking ship= get the F out!

just saying…

archer52 on May 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM

“The Law is Irrelevant.”

Words mean something!

When miller, head of the IRS, kept being asked over and over ‘don’t you think Congress needed to know what you know – about the scandals – the last time you appeared before us’ he repeated over and over ‘I answered the questions you asked.’ He implied he had no obligation to tell them anything, & it wasn’t his fault they ased the wrong questions. It was technical legalese BS – carefully chosen words to avoid answering their question while insisting to them that his misleading Congress was not wrong because he never technically lied.

When Strong used these 4 words he declared to the world what many of us already knew – the Constitution & U.S. Laws mean NOTHING to this President & his administration! His oath of office meant nothing, his vow to defend & uphold the Constitution & rule of law meant nothing. He declared his war on both of them before he was elected, vowing to fundamentally change the U.S. if elected. By using these 4 words, Strong identified this adminsitration – this President – as an ENEMY OF THE STATE who has intentionally violated the Constitution & law repeatedly…and a declaration that they have no intention of stopping.

easyt65 on May 20, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Back to Bill Clinton, and “is” .

Is it a lie or not.

A lie is a lie.

Is lie.

Is.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 20, 2013 at 9:32 AM

My job takes me into the homes of anonymous people, and over the past 4+ years I have been amazed to see more than a few who literally had O’bama Shrines not only in their living rooms, but more frequently in their bedrooms. And these were all folks who are white.

Never saw that before, even with JFK or Reagan. To these fools, O’bama is The Pope.

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 9:29 PM

I’ve seen this once before,..

My grandmother was born in the 1890′s, raised two seperate sets of kids, one through the depression, outlived three husbands..

and kept till her dying day an FDR shrine, with portrait, candles, flower vases, little plaques..

I never understood why?.. but as an under 10 child never asked about it.

I can say without reservation, I loved Ronald Maximous Reagan, he was MY preside4nt. I voted for him, served under him as my CIC, and died a little bit inside the day he passed away. I’d lost my father all over again in a way…. but that’s my point, to me he was like a loved family member.

Never, did I have a shrine in my home about him, not a picture on the wall, no candles, no daily prayers for his soul.

Because all to many democrats aren’t looking for a hero.. but a demigod. Someone more than human who reaches them on a level we reserve for God only.. them.. he IS GOD.

I lost an uncle recently, didn’t go to his funeral, was not welcome. we were estranged, because of an argument over Reagan back almost 20 years ago.. He was stunned I was a republican, and he being a WW II vet, informed me, I was unAmerican, and almost a traitor because I wasn’t in the little guy’s FDR party..

It got ugly, and later when I said, let’s put our politics aside, and just be family..

he slammed the door in my face..

This is what we’re dealing with, their party is their church, the president of that party, God..

and apostates are to be shunned..

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 9:36 AM

HotAirLib,

Stand still we are trying to pee in your face and you keep moving and dodgeing and the subject change drill.

Face the pee.

awk

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 20, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Me guess, all the evils in the universe are the republicans fault. There can be no government big enough to counter all the ills that republicans do.

racquetballer on May 20, 2013 at 7:53 AM

haha it is always fun to say this to lefties when dealing with them in person – shuts them up every time I’ve done it! :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 9:41 AM

This is an administration in full retreat, and an agenda that is finished.

Progressives that have to resort to intimidation tactics support the contention that they are devoid of any future without the ability to suppress the truth.

itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM

I’ve seen this once before,..

My grandmother was born in the 1890′s, raised two seperate sets of kids, one through the depression, outlived three husbands..

and kept till her dying day an FDR shrine, with portrait, candles, flower vases, little plaques..

I never understood why?.. but as an under 10 child never asked about it.

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Living Colour – “Cult Of Personality”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM

HotAirLib,

Stand still we are trying to pee in your face and you keep moving and dodgeing and the subject change drill.

Face the pee.

awk

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 20, 2013 at 9:37 AM

You’re comments lately have been cracking me up – good job! :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 9:55 AM

I can say without reservation, I loved Ronald Maximous Reagan, he was MY president. I voted for him, served under him as my CIC, and died a little bit inside the day he passed away. I’d lost my father all over again in a way…. but that’s my point, to me he was like a loved family member.

Same here. To continue your thought, I NEVER thought to put up a shrine to him. I considered (and I’m sure he felt the same way) him my equal, a man I could look in the eye and shake his hand with pride.

But that’s the nature of America, and one of its special properties, the thought that all under the eyes of God are created equal.

itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Hal from the comments being laughed at, seems clearly in the if a democrat does it, it’s legal camp.. and if they have to break some eggs (citizens lives) so be it… he he he..

nice.. so political persecution is permissible..

as long as a liberal does it..

Clearest confession of fascism yet from it.

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 9:58 AM

No. Because I don’t care what your party thinks about said emails. There is never going to be enough emails for you conspiracy theorists.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:42 PM

…as you cite a conspiracy about the Republicans doctoring emails that can be debunked by the shining crystal administration releases the actual emails that shows that the Republicans doctored emails.

It’s funny that nobody on your side felt they had to wear the tinfoil hat for the “vast right-wing conspiracy” during the Clinton administration. Back then “conspiracy” wasn’t the commit-able word that it becomes today through the standard pattern of lib’s changing rules and what is and what isn’t politic.

Axeman on May 20, 2013 at 10:02 AM

itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Exactly.. you never got the feeling he felt superior to you, that were you to meet in a tavern or park, he’d shake your hand and talk to you, and actually care about your opinion.. on a purely neighborly man to man way.

I cannot see any president since,.. well maybe George Bush,.. to have that quality..

every democrat has the Adlie Stevenson edgey.. “what the hell do you want” attitude towards the little guy. LBJ had an ability to ACT like he cared, but he didn’t..

Obama is the worst of that subspecies..

The born to be King and rule you all mentality.. like it was some great favor you’re allowed to even exist on the same planet.. I knew in my gut, he was toxic, when an aide of his remarked, he was the only president not awed by the Oval Office.. that he put his feet on the desk carved from the timber of the HMS Resolute..

That kind of blind hubris.. entitlement leaves you speechless..

Mr. Reagan never set foot in that office without his suit jacket on, and insisted his staff do the same.. as did both Bush’s.

and Obama puts his feet on the desk.. as if it were carved just for him personally. Unbelievable.

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 10:12 AM

This is what we’re dealing with, their party is their church, the president of that party, God..

and apostates are to be shunned..

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Burt Prelutsky, a former lib/911-conservative, once wrote that he realized that libs don’t like each over that much, either. Their main communal bond is banding against the hated conservative. If you break that bond, you’re nothing to these people. No amount of agreement to lib causes saved Burt or Bernie Goldberg from being pushed further and further to the right.

Axeman on May 20, 2013 at 10:15 AM

The e-mails were doctored but the birth certificate wasn’t.

BWAHAHAHAHA

Bevan on May 20, 2013 at 10:19 AM

This is what we’re dealing with, their party is their church, the president of that party, God..

and apostates are to be shunned..

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 9:36 AM

This sort of idolization reminds me of much communist history I have read & searched over & over again.
The times & events are so eerily similar in many, many ways.
People are afraid of Liberty.
And I admit, being free & being responsible for your own decisions, yourself, & your family & community is hard.
It is exactly why Liberty never really does last in society.
Bcs people are mostly scared of life & they do everything they can to avoid living it free.
Being a slave is much easier.

Badger40 on May 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Well put, and thank you for your service.

itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Badger40 on May 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Agreed Badger. Freedom is not for the faint-hearted. It takes no small amount of courage.

itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Jonathan Karl has apologized. He understands his reporting was flawed and the result was that he misrepresented the emails. – both in substance and in context.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Jonathan Karl has apologized. He understands his reporting was flawed and the result was that he misrepresented the emails. – both in substance and in context.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Oh so that makes all his other biased reporting OK. I see.
Now, when do we hear OBama’s giant a$$ apology for really fracking this country up?

Badger40 on May 20, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Jonathan Karl has apologized. He understands his reporting was flawed and the result was that he misrepresented the emails. – both in substance and in context.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM

He apologized for not clearly stating that his source for the email was a note of the email (since the email was not available) and not the email itself. None of the relevant issues his reporting has raised have changed. Karl hasn’t backed off at all of his reporting and it’s statements.

gwelf on May 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM

gwelf on May 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Of course, he/she/it could have realized that if it paid attention.
It is so pathetic when these apologists keep doubling down.

Badger40 on May 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Of course, he/she/it could have realized that if it paid attention.
It is so pathetic when these apologists keep doubling down.

Badger40 on May 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Their foolish haste to defend their Messiah provides good comedy for us non-Kool Aid drinkers, though. :)

As a reminder, this is Karl’s apology. Reading it, embarrassingly mistaken losers like verbaloser obviously do not understand what “in substance” means…

Jonathan Karl: “Clearly, I regret the email was quoted incorrectly and I regret that it’s become a distraction from the story, which still entirely stands. I should have been clearer about the attribution. We updated our story immediately.”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Intellectually dishonest leftards like Shallow HAL and verbaloser are like people who mystifyingly believe that pointing out an opponent’s typo overshadows & invalidates what they are disagreeing with, no matter how factual its content may be…

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM

If my party and people who share my ideology start raving about how they are so proud to be anti America like the tea billies, I say target them too.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM

So your side railing that capitalism is bad, and the military is awful, and we shouldn’t have borders, and the Constitution is outdated and useless isn’t anti-American?

You’re not up on American history are you?

gekkobear on May 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Intellectually dishonest leftards like Shallow HAL and verbaloser are like people who mystifyingly believe that pointing out an opponent’s typo overshadows & invalidates what they are disagreeing with, no matter how factual its content may be…

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Pretty rich that you offer this when you’re coming from a place where the foundation of your accusations is nothing more than hypothetical speculations, suggestions of ‘meanings’, suspicions based based on imagined conversations and scenarios.
The real problem you and others pushing the false Benghazi narrative have to deal with, it that this burst of attention is in fact that…some attention.
And largely the conclusion rational folks reach when in fact seeing all this ‘evidence’, is that there’s nothing to it. They see it for exactly what it is – a political attack machine.
But as we’ve seen this week…you can shift the narrative on a dime. Example would be on the legit IRS issue…we’ve gone from ‘This is an outrage that the President must have known about all along! Don’t believe he was in the dark here!!’ –
to….’It’s an outrage the President didn’t know about this and was in the dark! How could he be so aloof!’.
Ha.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

ROFL@you & your lack of reading comprehension!

Jonathan Karl: “Clearly, I regret the email was quoted incorrectly and I regret that it’s become a distraction from the story, which still entirely stands. I should have been clearer about the attribution. We updated our story immediately.”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Listen up, TweezerLips. Think of it this way, HAPOS – eventually, there WILL be another Republican Administration. The law is ALL about prescedent. Now, imagine it the other way round and kindly STFU.

PJ Emeritus on May 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM

http://patdollard.com/2013/05/flashback-hillary-clinton-fired-from-watergate-investigation-for-lying-unethical-behavior-conspiracy-to-violate-the-constitution/

HILLARY IS TOTALLY TRUSTWORTHY…RIGHT?!

The now-retired general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Hillary when she worked on the Watergate investigation, says Hillary’s history of lies and unethical behavior goes back farther – and goes much deeper – than anyone realizes.

Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.
Why?
“Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”

“As soon as the impeachment resolutions were introduced by (then-House Minority Leader Gerald) Ford, and they were referred to the House Judiciary Committee, the first thing Douglas did was hire himself a lawyer,” Zeifman said.

The Judiciary Committee allowed Douglas to keep counsel, thus establishing the precedent. Zeifman says he told Hillary that all the documents establishing this fact were in the Judiciary Committee’s public files. So what did Hillary do?

“Hillary then removed all the Douglas files to the offices where she was located, which at that time was secured and inaccessible to the public,” Zeifman said. Hillary then proceeded to write a legal brief arguing there was no precedent for the right to representation by counsel during an impeachment proceeding – as if the Douglas case had never occurred.

The brief was so fraudulent and ridiculous, Zeifman believes Hillary would have been disbarred if she had submitted it to a judge.

** Eric Holder was also caught hiding files when he worked to get the terrorist group FALN a pardon (which they did not want/did not ask for).

easyt65 on May 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM

verb. seriously … come on man. do you just not read stuff you cite before doing your victory laps?

rightmind on May 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Get out the ChapStick. Your lips are chapped from kissing @$$

hamradio on May 20, 2013 at 2:14 PM

verb[aloser]. seriously … come on man. do you just not read stuff you cite before doing your victory laps?

rightmind on May 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM

You were merely being rhetorical, right? :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Jonathan Karl: “Clearly, I regret the email was quoted incorrectly and I regret that it’s become a distraction from the story, which still entirely stands. I should have been clearer about the attribution. We updated our story immediately.”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM

What do you see his ‘story’ to be?

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

ROFL@you & your lack of reading comprehension!

Jonathan Karl: “Clearly, I regret the email was quoted incorrectly and I regret that it’s become a distraction from the story, which still entirely stands. I should have been clearer about the attribution. We updated our story immediately.”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM

I don’t think a lack of reading comprehension was the problem.

I think the troll was simply lying about what Karl said. The trolls here lie like dogs, just like their favorite politicians.

Also, you saved me the trouble of digging up that quote from Karl.

farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

What do you see his ‘story’ to be?

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

If you want me to consider you more than just a common, everyday, typical partisan hack, go read Karl’s story, give a report proving that you accurately understood it, and define exactly what he meant by “a distraction” from story he claims “still entirely stands.”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

If you want me to consider you more than just a common, everyday, typical partisan hack, go read Karl’s story, give a report proving that you accurately understood it, and define exactly what he meant by “a distraction” from story he claims “still entirely stands.”

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Sure…we can end this on your cop-out and deflection.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Sure…we can end this on your cop-out and deflection.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Instead of getting off of your lazy butt to demonstrate to me that I am not talking to pure retard a la non-nonpartisan, you chose to personally attack me, showing that you don’t care that I consider you a partisan hack, which just goes to prove that I am 100% justified in calling you, “verbaloser”!

I am done with you for now, little pinata :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Believing this is believing Obama was actually outraged the IRS targeted those tea party fraudulent groups. A targeting strategy i am 100% for.

HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Have you heard of a thing called a “Bivens suit”?

You might get familiar with it. Because a lot of people are going to get hit with a lot of these suits very soon.

You think not issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples is an EP violation. Well, even more than that, is applying IRS rules and regulatory scrutiny to conservative and not liberal groups. There isn’t even a rational basis for doing it.

alwaysfiredup on May 20, 2013 at 2:52 PM

I don’t think a lack of reading comprehension was the problem.

I think the troll was simply lying about what Karl said.

farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

In one sense, you are giving the ever-lazy verbaloser more credit here than I, as lying takes effort. IOW, I don’t believe verbaloser even has the brain energy required to create a lie! :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Sure…we can end this on your cop-out and deflection.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Instead of getting off of your lazy butt to demonstrate to me that I am not talking to pure retard a la non-nonpartisan, you chose to personally attack me, showing that you don’t care that I consider you a partisan hack, which just goes to prove that I am 100% justified in calling you, “verbaloser”!

I am done with you for now, little pinata :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM

You feel ‘personally attacked’?
Zowz.
Um…well, I apologize for…um…attacking you, so…ah…personally.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 3:01 PM

For those who didn’t read the OP…

About Karl’s version of the emails…

They were extracted by ABC’s Jon Karl from notes taken by attendees at the original meeting when the White House refused to initially allow anyone to have copies which could have been used for full referencing. ABC went with the notes, being the closest thing anyone had to an official record,

No one in the media had the actual emails. All they had were notes taken by people who were allowed to take a look at the emails for a couple/few hours. Emails only some people were only allowed to review as part of a deal the GOP made with the WH to allow the Brennan nomination to proceed.

And here is the difference between what Karl reported and the actual email. An email only released by the WH after pressured to do so by reports based on notes taken by people who got only a relatively brief glimpse of them.

Here’s the relevant part of the email as quoted by Karl:

We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation.

Here’s the relevant sentence from the real email:

We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation.

In Clintonian fashion the WH, and its troll corps, would have us believe this makes all of the difference in the world, just like what your definition of “is” is does.

Keep in mind Karl was working from the only source he had, someone else’s notes. And that was because the WH refused to release the emails. He has apologized for not getting the quote exactly right. How could he without access to the original emails?

However, he has not apologized for the content of his report because, after finally getting access to the emails, he thinks his reporting still accurately reflects what was in the emails.

In fact, Karl’s reporting forced the WH to release emails they had refused to release for many months. Apparently that is what it took to get the most transparent WH ever to release what it should have released long ago. Good job Karl.

Now where are the emails from the previous 67 hours?

farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM

You feel ‘personally attacked’?
Zowz.
Um…well, I apologize for…um…attacking you, so…ah…personally.

verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 3:01 PM

I didn’t say, “feel”, did I? That is your word, which is completely expected from a dishonest leftard like you.

Instead of spending your time trying to give me a good reason to believe you were worthy of my time, you tried to make the conservation into one about my ‘motives’, which, to your apparent chagrin, does fall under the definition of “personal attack.”

If you don’t agree, that’s ok – you can argue with yourself about it, little pinata! :)

Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 3:19 PM

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