Video: Feingold admits public plan an entree to single-payer

posted at 11:36 am on June 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I admire Russ Feingold (D-WI), which may surprise a few people here at Hot Air, since Feingold and I would agree on almost nothing in politics.  Feingold may be a dyed-in-the-wool liberal who thinks government is the answer to almost every question, but he also has a sense of honesty that eludes many of his colleagues — on both sides of the aisle, for that matter.  The guys at Verum Serum catch him in a moment of honesty last May that certainly has eluded Kathleen Sebelius, Barack Obama, and the rest of the prevaricators in DC who insist that a public plan has nothing to do with pushing the US to a single-payer system:

I believe the goal here is to create whatever legislation we have in a way that could be developed into something like a single-payer system.

Of course that’s what the administration wants! Obama himself told audiences in 2007 that he wanted to move to single payer, but that the US needed a transition to eliminate private health insurance. Unfortunately, this obvious ploy has stalled the public option on Capitol Hill, where the Senate has stripped it from their version of the bill:

A draft proposal in the Senate to overhaul the nation’s health-care system would require most people to buy health insurance, authorize an expansion of Medicaid coverage and create consumer-owned cooperative plans instead of the government coverage that President Obama is seeking.

The document, distributed among members of the Senate Finance Committee yesterday afternoon, addressed none of the funding questions that have consumed House and Senate negotiators in recent days. But it included an array of coverage provisions that were drastically scaled back from earlier versions, as lawmakers seek to shrink the bill’s overall cost. The proposal, for instance, would reduce the pool of middle-class beneficiaries eligible for a new tax credit meant to make insurance more affordable.

The absence of a “public option” marks perhaps the most significant omission. Obama and many Democrats had sought a public option to ensure affordable, universal coverage, but as many as 10 Senate Democrats have protested the idea as unfair to private insurers. In its place, the draft circulated yesterday outlines a co-op approach modeled after rural electricity and telecom providers, subject to government oversight and funded with federal seed money.

This caused heartache for Feingold, who scolded his colleagues yesterday on the floor and insisted that the only real reform possible in health care would come from government coverage — although this time he was careful not to be too honest and say “single payer”:

Admirable.  Completely wrongheaded and economically dangerous, but admirable for his consistent obstinacy to evidence and reason.

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That was a good impersonation of getalife. Do it again for Upstater85. I don’t know why, but what the he!!.

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Cons didn’t seem to care that Bush impersonated a president

A bad one

Adults in charge

LibTired on June 19, 2009 at 1:55 PM

At last, a Dem that wont’ lie on this issue. What a pleasant surprise.

manofaiki on June 19, 2009 at 1:56 PM

The president refers to what is happening in Iran as “robust debate.” I don’t want that kind of debate happening here. Of course, I have seen it in academia, with liberals blocking access to conservatives, chanting:

Stop the hate!
No room for debate!

Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM
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Oh, well that debate is on a different thread. This tread is about health care. See my Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 1:38 PM comment concerning this thread.

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Yeah I don’t get it, myself. They seem to gloss over the fact that it’s unsustainable, has a history of not working, etc just doesn’t even matter. It’s disturbing.

lorien1973 on June 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Allow me to clear that up for you.

For the Far Left, it’s never about whether it actually WORKS or not.

It’s about what’s FAIR.

Remember during an interview he gave, Obama stated that even if a tax increase on the rich gave no increase in overall revenue to the State, he would STILL impose it because it was the ‘fair’ thing to do.

This is the mindset these people have. It’s all about fairness.

manofaiki on June 19, 2009 at 1:58 PM

LibTired on June 19, 2009 at 1:55 PM
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See —— when you do it, it is funny.

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 2:00 PM

manofaiki on June 19, 2009 at 1:58 PM

But, it’s not even about faaaaaaaiiiiiiiiirrrnesssssssssssssssss (as your typical lefty would whine), it’s about punishing the productive members of society and rewarding the roof sitters.

They want to punish people who are successful, and reward the lazy.

PimFortuynsGhost on June 19, 2009 at 2:02 PM

The reason Democrats ignore the negative aspects of single-payer is because they only care about what will later be called unintended consequences – culling the Baby Boomer herd.

If a substantial portion of boomers survive into their 80’s, they’ll bankrupt the nation so they must be killed off. The only politically acceptable way to achieve that is to deny them healthcare when they get sick. Single-payer does just that. When they get together to strategize, pragmatic Dems whisper “Die Boomer Die.”

We are already sliding down the “slippery slope” to euthanasia. Sanctity of life issues affect everyone from the pre-born to the elderly and infirm. Just ask the lovely people of Denmark and The Netherlands, where doctors can make the decision to euthanize a patient, with or without consent of either the patient or the family. Too old, too sick, too conservative? Euthanasia is the cost savings of choice when the government monopoly on health care gives doctors the power (or the obligation) to make such decisions.

Let’s talk to the British who now not only find the single payer system unsustainable, since their entire economy is down the tubes, but unhelpful as well. When women with breast cancer are denied life-saving therapy, the system is a miserable failure. Moreover, Congress is not subject to the same health care system that they wish to foist on every other American. Does anyone seriously believe that Pelosi would miss an appointment with her plastic surgeon?

College Prof on June 19, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Texas Gal on June 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM

May I also add a point?

Something seriously messed up happened during the Clinton years when it came to healthcare (my parents have the same conclusion as they noticed their healthcare costs skyrocket at the time) and for the life of me I cannot determine what it was, but it had a serious detrimental effect on doctors, hospitals, and patients.

But for the life of me I can’t figure out what it is.

But I do agree with your plan Texas Gal. In particular the Catastrophic Care insurance program (which actually exists right at the moment… you have to look for it though) and Tort reform (which is seriously needed. A loser pay system would be perfect in that regard).

Chaz706 on June 19, 2009 at 2:08 PM

This tread is about…

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Your obsession with cars is getting tiring.

As to health care, there are problems within the current system. However the American health care system is the best in the world, and the solutions being proposed by liberals would greatly reduce its effectiveness for all. Other than leaving the American health care system alone, I have yet to see any proposed solution that doesn’t do more damage than good. Have you?

[ps: I wish there was a spell and grammar check function at Hot Air, instead of all the commentators who keep pointing out the run on sentences and other errors in posts as if they were being play by play commentators at a baseball game, don't ewe?]

Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM

don’t ewe?
Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM

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Montana where the men are men and the sheep are nervous.
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Yes, a spell and grammer check feature would be nice but hey, how would anyone other than ewe have thing for thing for silence of the lambs? BAA

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM

although this time he was careful not to be too honest and say “single payer”

Probably wasn’t aware there was a camera on the first time around.

GarandFan on June 19, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Chaz706 on June 19, 2009 at 2:08 PM

TORT Reform has to happen. The growth of the ambulance chaser industry is out of control. Funny to me how Obama chooses to hang the greedy tag on Wall Street but not on the personal injury industry. Must be a lawyer thang!

I agree about the boom in cost during the Clinton years but I’m not sure what it was or if it was something that happened legislatively that caused that personal injury industry to boom. I think that is probably the greatest contributor to driving up insurance cost. I have had at least 4 doctors in the last 10 years who left to go into research because they couldn’t handle the cost of malpractice insurance. Another thing that I do think is a contributor was the birth of the HMO industry began and I think it is a bad result for insurance companies to also own HMO. But I expect to see those grow if TORT Reform is not passed because private doctors just can’t handle to cost of insurance themselves. And as a result the quality of care and the quality of the doctor is reduced. I know, I have an HMO. They are a good example of what will come under a national insurance program.

Texas Gal on June 19, 2009 at 2:30 PM

About six years ago, my husband was playing the back nine behind Feingold and his party. Shanked one so bad it nearly hit Feingold in the head. He did apologize, but thinking back, he rather wishes he had connected. We can do without this outrageous liberal, no matter how “honest” he is. Crappy laws are still crappy laws.

tcn on June 19, 2009 at 2:30 PM

About six years ago, my husband was playing the back nine behind Feingold and his party. Shanked one so bad it nearly hit Feingold in the head. He did apologize, but thinking back, he rather wishes he had connected. We can do without this outrageous liberal, no matter how “honest” he is. Crappy laws are still crappy laws.

tcn on June 19, 2009 at 2:30 PM

I’m sure you are mistaken. I couldn’t be Feingold. It’d be environmentally irresponsible to waste fuel to drive to a golf course. Then there’s the damage to “Mother Earth” that golfing does due to divots and the errant ball hitting a worm or caterpillar.

Jeff from WI on June 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Somehow I can’t see all the insurance companies who offer supplementary and basic health care plans just sitting back and calmly losing one of their most lucrative segments. But, do not hear anything from them–yet.

jeanie on June 19, 2009 at 3:29 PM

At last, a Dem that wont’ lie on this issue. What a pleasant surprise.

manofaiki on June 19, 2009 at 1:56 PM

He and Paul Ryan are probably the two most honest people in Congress. It’s rumored that Ryan’s and Feingold’s families are befriended (both herald from Janesville), and Ryan admires Feingold too much to run against him. (I’d like to see Ryan kick the useless Kohl out of the Senate, but Kohl is probably too rich.)

I’m probably 90% opposed to Feingold’s politics, but admire him for integrity.

hpnq420 on June 19, 2009 at 4:02 PM

Send a message to your Sens & Cons!
Dear ___:
Unless you want to be known as one of those in DC that helped push the nation out of the 2009 Recession and into a full-blown Depression in 2010, I strongly urge you to oppose any “Public Option”, “Single-payer”, “Universal”, “Government”, “National”, and/or Kennedy/Dodd Healthcare “Reform” bill! As the old song says, “we’re knee deep in the big muddy but the damn fool says to push on!” Just SLOW Down, already!
The idea of National Socialist style Health care scares me to death!
Why National Health Care Should Scare You -
As I was reminded by Matt Lewis recently, the scheme to nationalize health care is really frightening. While Americans should all oppose it on principle – there are also self-preservation reasons, as well.
It is clear that countries which have socialized health care require long waiting periods for treatment (no matter how much you are willing to pay), e.g. – Let’s say you have cancer, and it will cost you tens of thousands of dollars for treatment. And, you don’t have insurance; while this is certainly a bad predicament, it is not an impossible situation. While you might have to borrow or ask in order to be treated, a person can find a way in the USA to receive treatment – regardless of his or her AGE!
But if the government tells you that it’s too expensive, or that you’re too sick, or that you’re too old to be treated, or that you brought it upon yourself – then where do you go? Well in the Orwellian/Obaman World of National Socialist Health care – the Government bureaucracy will deny or postpone treatment!

And please pass the message on!

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bmac727 on June 19, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Give a 100% reimbursement including deductibles (not tax credit) for all medical expenses on the annual tax return. Those who choose not to purchase health insurance would do so because they have nothing to loose and more people in the private market will create better competition.

Agreed, but solely because it’s the only realistic option. A better idea would be to phase out the Medicare/Medicaid system entirely, freeing up capital and ultimately reducing prices and encouraging competition.

We are already seeing $4 generic drugs due to the competition that was created when the prescription drug plan was added to Medicare.

Just because one follows the other does not indicate a causative effect. Generics are cheaper because generic manufacturers get to bypass all that expensive research and development the original patent holders had to lay out in order to develop the drugs (as well as the ones that didn’t get past efficacy, safety, and regulatory hurdles).

If anything Medicare Part D is going to hurt the pharmaceutical industry because reduced reimbursement ends up forcing out the newer, more expensive drugs in favor of cheap generics. It may work for now but expect the flow of new drugs to slow to a trickle.

Create a tax incentive for private owned non-emergency health clinics and emergency care facilities. We are already seeing grocery store and drug store chains offering non-emergency care within their facilities. This will help alleviate the strain on hospital emergency rooms.

Agreed, but begrudgingly so because it’s the only realistic option against federal and state governments that refuse to reduce the burden on the tax base.

Create a catastrophic care insurance program and fund it as a supplement to private insurance. This will create a better price in the private market. Medicaid is used for catastrophic care for the non-insured based on standard of living.

Government does not tolerate private sector competition. It’s a slippery slope that will only result in private health insurance being forced out. Government programs will only end up forcing out private health insurance. The more public care that is offered, the more price pressure is placed on the private sector.

Change the rules concerning private nursing homes and assisted living. No one should have to surrender their private property and accumulated personal wealth in their declining years in order to live out their life with dignity.

Why not? Isn’t that one of the reasons for saving during your working years, so that you don’t become a burden on society? You want to prevent people from “surrendering” their wealth and private property in retirement? Phase out Social Security. This program has done nothing more than prevent savings in the interest of “helping” old people, when in reality it fosters the cycle of government dependence.

By the way, if I ever have to sell my house in order to go live in an assisted living community, I won’t feel like I’ve “surrendered” anything. I’ll feel like I willingly sold an asset in order to pay for my own care, instead of burdening my children or working taxpayers.

Pass TORT Reform

Amen. But good luck with that when a large segment of the judiciary comes from tort lawyer stock.

There is no need for a national health care insurance program for basic care. I do believe we need one for catastrophic care though and I’d rather see us spend the money in that area. It would help bring down the cost of private insurance for everybody.

All I have to say on that is: Social Security was never intended to be a pension program. It was intended to stave off abject poverty by supplementing those too old to work. Now look at the monster it’s become. A publicly funded catastrophic health care program will quickly expand beyond its intended function and further empower an already too-powerful federal beast.

TheMightyMonarch on June 19, 2009 at 4:35 PM

I lived in southern Wisconsin when this numb skull was first voted into office. The only reason he won was because he was running against a bigger numb skull than himself. In the campaign debates he was an obnoxious lefty. I could have debated him better than his clueless opponent.His election was and is a complete disaster.

paraff on June 19, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Rest assured the elimination of the public option has nothing to do with you or I. it is the result of heavy lobbying from the insurance industry that will fight tooth and claw to keep it’s cash cow going.
We need to make insurance public and private illegal.

paulsur on June 19, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Yea i believe him..

YOu see with all of the liberals running amok in washington
Heck even the chinese and communists are running scared..

So i am not surprised by this SLIP of honesty..
Why try to hide it now..??

They are desperate to dismantle the US health and financial system ..

They are doing it so fast that even the Islamic terrorists better hurry up and accellerate their plans..

Else
Their wont be a USA left to TARGET..

Morons..
you voted for them..

veteranoutrage on June 19, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Take it from a Wisconsinite who has followed Russ Feingold’s career for years. He is the epitome of an unmitigated duplicitous elitist douchebag. Remember McCain Feingoold? Maybe you can forgive the disembowelment of your first ammendment rights but I can’t. Honest indeed. An honest fascist is still a fascist. Plus he might be the only Senator to the left of Obama on late term abortion. The honesty you admire so much was caught on the congressional record, and later expunged, when he made it crystal clear that the fate of even an accidently fully extracted fetus was STILL up to the mother and her Doctor only – - no protection under the 14th ammendment whatsover.

the murmur on June 19, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Let’s face it… Feingold is a prevaricating prevaricator. He ran as “the little guy” on the platform of senatorial term limits.

Now, some MANY YEARS LATER we cannot be rid of this ass-hat and his abundant ass-hattery.

The people of WI should be ashamed. I’m ashamed, and I only live here in WI for the cheese, beer, and the Packers. Feingold is still a butt squeeze.

roscopico on June 20, 2009 at 1:05 AM

Let’s face it… Feingold is a prevaricating prevaricator. He ran as “the little guy” on the platform of senatorial term limits.

Now, some MANY YEARS LATER we cannot be rid of this ass-hat and his abundant ass-hattery.

The people of WI should be ashamed. I’m ashamed, and I only live here in WI for the cheese, beer, and the Packers. Feingold is still a butt squeeze.

roscopico on June 20, 2009 at 1:05 AM

You mean you don’t live here for the beautiful weather, and great tax structure thanks to the DEMS.

Jeff from WI on June 20, 2009 at 6:26 AM

Jeff from WI on June 20, 2009 at 6:26 AM

The great tax structure is getting greater…
We deserve everything we get.

A related thought… since it is so difficult to erect a fence on the US/Mex border, perhaps we could convince the feds to practice on something smaller; say, Madison and Milwaukee.

roscopico on June 20, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Look at how well single-payer insurance serves our nation’s children in special education. Just because there is no data collected on the number of students who are remediated out of special education does not mean there aren’t any who make it out. True, the numbers may be so small as to not signify but the mere fact that some children are able to escape a system designed on low expectation is a triumph of the human spirit none the less.

And let’s not look at those children in special education not facing but experiencing rationed health care in every public school today. Do you really think 10 minutes of speech therapy 2 times a week in a class of 5 to 10 is fundamental to their educational outcome? I have a bikini worn once in Iran to sell.

FeFe on June 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM

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