Video: Feingold admits public plan an entree to single-payer

posted at 11:36 am on June 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I admire Russ Feingold (D-WI), which may surprise a few people here at Hot Air, since Feingold and I would agree on almost nothing in politics.  Feingold may be a dyed-in-the-wool liberal who thinks government is the answer to almost every question, but he also has a sense of honesty that eludes many of his colleagues — on both sides of the aisle, for that matter.  The guys at Verum Serum catch him in a moment of honesty last May that certainly has eluded Kathleen Sebelius, Barack Obama, and the rest of the prevaricators in DC who insist that a public plan has nothing to do with pushing the US to a single-payer system:

I believe the goal here is to create whatever legislation we have in a way that could be developed into something like a single-payer system.

Of course that’s what the administration wants! Obama himself told audiences in 2007 that he wanted to move to single payer, but that the US needed a transition to eliminate private health insurance. Unfortunately, this obvious ploy has stalled the public option on Capitol Hill, where the Senate has stripped it from their version of the bill:

A draft proposal in the Senate to overhaul the nation’s health-care system would require most people to buy health insurance, authorize an expansion of Medicaid coverage and create consumer-owned cooperative plans instead of the government coverage that President Obama is seeking.

The document, distributed among members of the Senate Finance Committee yesterday afternoon, addressed none of the funding questions that have consumed House and Senate negotiators in recent days. But it included an array of coverage provisions that were drastically scaled back from earlier versions, as lawmakers seek to shrink the bill’s overall cost. The proposal, for instance, would reduce the pool of middle-class beneficiaries eligible for a new tax credit meant to make insurance more affordable.

The absence of a “public option” marks perhaps the most significant omission. Obama and many Democrats had sought a public option to ensure affordable, universal coverage, but as many as 10 Senate Democrats have protested the idea as unfair to private insurers. In its place, the draft circulated yesterday outlines a co-op approach modeled after rural electricity and telecom providers, subject to government oversight and funded with federal seed money.

This caused heartache for Feingold, who scolded his colleagues yesterday on the floor and insisted that the only real reform possible in health care would come from government coverage — although this time he was careful not to be too honest and say “single payer”:

Admirable.  Completely wrongheaded and economically dangerous, but admirable for his consistent obstinacy to evidence and reason.

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AnninCA says: I think it’s great that they have to lie about a bill in order to get it passed.

lorien1973 on June 19, 2009 at 11:39 AM

And all senators and congressmen will be required to dump their generous plan and subscribe to this one, right?

ProfessorMiao on June 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Obama needs a “History Eraser Button” Czar.

Daggett on June 19, 2009 at 11:41 AM

I’m telling you. . . the health insurance companies and hospitals and doctors are WAY more powerful (and have more money) than the government. The people in DC HATE that.

If the medical insurance companies and doctors and hospitals don’t like the legislation, it won’t pass.

Again, elected power mongers hate that. Insurance companies invented ‘chicago style’ politics.

ThackerAgency on June 19, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I can respect lefties who don’t act like moonbats and are open and honest about what they desire for this country.

That said, they are always wrong and I have no idea how they can possibly come to the conclusions that they do.

myrenovations on June 19, 2009 at 11:43 AM

O/T: Safe to watch the Factor tonight. Laura Ingraham is hosting.

TheBigOldDog on June 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM

That said, they are always wrong and I have no idea how they can possibly come to the conclusions that they do.

myrenovations on June 19, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Yeah I don’t get it, myself. They seem to gloss over the fact that it’s unsustainable, has a history of not working, etc just doesn’t even matter. It’s disturbing.

lorien1973 on June 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM

This guy is my senator and I didn’t vote for him. I don’t like a lot of the decisions he makes, but most of the people living in WI do. At least when I email him my dissatisfaction he emails me back. I just wish he wasn’t liberal.

Brat4life on June 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM

AnninCA thinks it is okay to lie to get ObamaCare passed.

AnninCA believes that ObamaCare will be just like her current Kaiser plan.

I wonder if AnninCA considers the possibility that she believes a lie?

myrenovations on June 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM

I admire Russ Feingold (D-WI), which may surprise a few people here at Hot Air, since Feingold and I would agree on almost nothing in politics. Feingold may be a dyed-in-the-wool liberal who thinks government is the answer to almost every question, but he also has a sense of honesty that eludes many of his colleagues — on both sides of the aisle, for that matter.

Agreed. He is my Senator and every time I send an email about an issue, I always get a personal response back. I’m never directed to an issue page on his website. He knows I don’t agree but he tries to clarify why he is making the decisions he is. He is up for reelection next year so we will see what happens.

sammypants on June 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM

I’m telling you. . . the health insurance companies and hospitals and doctors are WAY more powerful (and have more money) than the government. The people in DC HATE that.

If the medical insurance companies and doctors and hospitals don’t like the legislation, it won’t pass.

Again, elected power mongers hate that. Insurance companies invented ‘chicago style’ politics.

ThackerAgency on June 19, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Do the people in DC really hate it?

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTdjODk3ZDE1MDdiNWQ1ZTc0NWQ4NTU3ZWIwZjJhNjI=

This week, Philip Morris, the biggest of the big tobacco companies, supported and won passage of an “anti-tobacco” bill that will make it easier for Philip Morris (a subsidiary of Altria) to sell cigarettes by making it harder for smaller, more innovative firms to compete. One way it will do that is by curtailing the First Amendment rights of tobacco companies, making it harder to advertise their products (including healthier alternatives to normal cigarettes). Philip Morris, maker of Marlboro and other established brands, already controls 50 percent of the market. That’s why it lobbied government to keep it that way.

Upstater85 on June 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM

There’s an old saying that I remember from years ago that I think is incredibly appropriate when thinking of the whole Dem party.

What’s he doing?
I don’t know.
What are you doing?
I’m helping him!

The blind following the blind.

Syd B. on June 19, 2009 at 11:47 AM

The only — the ONLY — reason to prefer a government-administered “public option” over a set of chartered but independent nonprofits or co-ops (given all the other reforms that will be adopted, such as the individual mandate and the elimination of preexisting condition exclusions) is the opportunity it provides to crowd private insurers out.

If the co-ops get through it’s all still OK.

DrSteve on June 19, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Obama will be a one term president. No doubt about it. He’s pissed off and on every single group of folks who would normally vote Democrat…except the UAW and even that’s probably a shaky relationship.

Americans are ticked off at the TARP bailouts and huge budgets.
Doctors and hospitals are ticked off about healthcare.
Gays are ticked off at Obama for not supporting them.
Banks are ticked off for him regulating their pay.
Business leaders are ticked off at the proposed pay regulation as well.
Hell, even PETA is ticked off about him killing a fly.

And it’s only been 5 months.

Thunderstorm129 on June 19, 2009 at 11:48 AM

all this means is that he’s honest, but still full of shit. That doesn’t make me feel better. If I lived in WI it would drive me nuts to have an idiot like this representing me, but we here in Ohio have Sherrod Brown is about as bad.

gsherin on June 19, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Again, elected power mongers hate that. Insurance companies invented ‘chicago style’ politics.

I’ll remember that the next time I’m in Walmart and someone starts yelling at me about a health claim my company denied. I’ll threaten him with cement shoes or something.

mjk on June 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM

At least when I email him my dissatisfaction he emails me back. I just wish he wasn’t liberal.

Brat4life on June 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM

When Sen. Sherrod Brown e-mails me back I want to toss my computer through plate glass. I just wish he wasn’t a senator.

myrenovations on June 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Yep, works for me. A $%$^#$%$#% Socialist, but an honest (up to a point) Socialist. Ed, there is nothing admirable about a Socialist, nothing, not even honesty.

johnsteele on June 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Damndest thing I evah saw. A Democrat that told the truth.

Mr. Grump on June 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Feingold admits public plan an entree to single-payer.

Well, duh. Next thing they’ll tell us is that Obama’s dad was a muslim from Kenya.

It is just beyond the scope that these idiots do not care that a Government-run Healthcare system has never worked.
In their arrogance and greed, they simply think that they will make it work, if it takes employing every relative of every politicians in the country.

kingsjester on June 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM

I also have to admire his consistent and fairly honest conduct even as I wonder what the guy is using for brains.

Far as Bama’s goals in all this, is to promote more government control over anything he can get his hands on. He doesn’t need any cheerleading from Hugo Chavez, he is already on the mission.

Not stupid, just a Marxist from the word go, as anybody could see if they did any cursory review of his past. This is not a surprise.

Harry Schell on June 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Wouldn’t a better term be that you respect Feingold rather than admire him? Maybe that’s just a quibble on words, I don’t know. Maybe I need to stop drinking Mountain Dew before 9 am.

Bishop on June 19, 2009 at 11:52 AM

You tube removes the Feingold video in 3…2…

cyclown on June 19, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Great Ed. If we could just get them to admit that their long term goal is either absolute power or the destruction of our country.

larvcom on June 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM

how’s that McCain/Feingold bill working out?

moonbatkiller on June 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM

AnninCA says: I think it’s great that they have to lie about a bill in order to get it passed.

lorien1973 on June 19, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Parents sometimes have to lie to their children because children don’t always know what’s best for them. And since liberals are our parents and we voters are merely children, we must learn to be good little children and do as we are told. This is the American way. I know because I saw this on ABC News.

Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I’ll threaten him with cement shoes or something.

mjk on June 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM

every couple of years, there is a contract negotiation at the large hospitals between the insurance companies and the hospitals concerning reimbursement rates. It is NEVER behind closed doors. It ALWAYS plays out in the newspapers.

The hospital says they won’t take payment from the insurance company, the insurance company says, fine, we won’t pay ANY claims unless you accept our contract.

It plays out in the newspapers and people call their agents all scared. It always ends up with them coming to an ‘agreement’ after a couple months of this brinksmanship type negotiations.

And yeah, the people in DC hate it. They WANT that power. They see a universal health care controlled by DC as Doubling their budget and power.

ThackerAgency on June 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM

O/T: Safe to watch the Factor tonight. Laura Ingraham is hosting.

TheBigOldDog on June 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM

LOL. We think the same.

JiangxiDad on June 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Bishop, you too with the Dew instead of coffee? I can’t drink coffee, and I can’t look at Russ Feingold before noon, either.

either orr on June 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM

My “moderate” Democrat senator, Bill Nelson, replies to my email that the current system is unfixable and must be totally revamped. Oh and by the way, more must be done on prevention and wellness. Also, he is promoting legislation to promote more government coverage of prescription payment because obviously we need to grow that program. More dependents equals more Democrat voters. Time to push back folks.

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Just curious how many people do you think work for UHC , Bluecross and all the other ins companies ? Thats alot of jobs and tax revenue loss. Is the Govt going to hire all of them at the same payrate? Not to mention all the downsizing most companies will probably have to do just to cover all the new taxes and ins. Talk about a craps seven out everybody is gonna loose.

LSUMama on June 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM

I admire Russ Feingold (D-WI), which may surprise a few people here at Hot Air, since Feingold and I would agree on almost nothing in politics. Feingold may be a dyed-in-the-wool liberal who thinks government is the answer to almost every question, but he also has a sense of honesty that eludes many of his colleagues — on both sides of the aisle, for that matter.

Agreed. He’s also been surprisingly moderate on gun rights issues compared to most of his colleagues.

I’m frankly amazed that he’s still in the Senate after so many years pushing to freeze congressional pay levels and refusing pay increases.

MadisonConservative on June 19, 2009 at 11:58 AM

The reason Democrats ignore the negative aspects of single-payer is because they only care about what will later be called unintended consequences – culling the Baby Boomer herd.

If a substantial portion of boomers survive into their 80′s, they’ll bankrupt the nation so they must be killed off. The only politically acceptable way to achieve that is to deny them healthcare when they get sick. Single-payer does just that. When they get together to strategize, pragmatic Dems whisper “Die Boomer Die.”

lonesomecharlie on June 19, 2009 at 11:58 AM

lorien1973 on June 19, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Since she is in obvious need of this legislation, she is taking a “by any means necessary” stance.

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Bishop, you too with the Dew instead of coffee? I can’t drink coffee, and I can’t look at Russ Feingold before noon, either.
either orr on June 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM

I quaff coffee by the jug too, a leftover habit from my Navy days, but for some reason the Dew just calls to me far too early in the day. I must be a caffeine junkie, either that or I like the idea of not blinking for hours at a stretch.

Bishop on June 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Again
My dream
Bad car wreck. Obama standing over me when I wake up. Tells me I can’t get care because I am not only white, but male, and must suffer due to my lifetime of “white privilege.”

I look down. My leg is amputated from the knee down. No prosthetic. Just a peg leg. Look to my left. There’s an illegal alien in a bed getting sponge bathed by two nurses in sexy nurse outfits.

They’re speaking sexy Spanish to him, and Helen Thomas is trying to play spoon airplane with applesauce with me.

Across the room is a gitmo detainee visiting a family member who is ill. The jihadi has a nice tan, and I’m jealous cause I’ve gotten pale over the winter.

He talks about how great Bermuda is, and the illegal to my left has an ACLU lawyer next to him — looking at me. Ready to sue me because I didn’t offer the illegal my applesauce (my only food in this hospital by the way).

I wake up, realizing it was all a dream.

But is it?

blatantblue on June 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Huh, so where are all the trolls in this thread?

Akzed on June 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM

blatantblue on June 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Hehe

Upstater85 on June 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Huh, so where are all the trolls in this thread?

Akzed on June 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Do you want us to summon getalife?

Upstater85 on June 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM

I admire Russ Feingold (D-WI), which may surprise a few people here at Hot Air, since Feingold and I would agree on almost nothing in politics. Feingold may be a dyed-in-the-wool liberal who thinks government is the answer to almost every question, but he also has a sense of honesty that eludes many of his colleagues — on both sides of the aisle, for that matter.

Agreed. He’s also been surprisingly moderate on gun rights issues compared to most of his colleagues.

I’m frankly amazed that he’s still in the Senate after so many years pushing to freeze congressional pay levels and refusing pay increases.

MadisonConservative on June 19, 2009 at 11:58 AM

The man is pure scum. His record as a baby killing supporter is probably second only to Obama.
He’s always been rated as being in the top 2 or 3 most liberal politicians. If you could see the area he’s from, it’s possibly more lefty Communist than Berkeley, the Moscow on the Mendota, Madison WI. The ONLY reason he leaves guns alone, for now, is thanks to the other DEMS in this state they’ve driven out almost every real employer in the state, all that’s left to make money is DEER SEASON.

Jeff from WI on June 19, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Huh, so where are all the trolls in this thread?

Akzed on June 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Do you want us to summon getalife?

Upstater85 on June 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM

adults are in charge now

the president is a good liar

all is well

Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Bishop on June 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM

My other option is peach iced tea. Local convenience store chain has dynamite peach tea. Needless to say, they love me there.

Back on topic, Feingold is the north end of a southbound horse. Consistent, yes. Upfront about his marxism lite, yes. But still the north end of a southbound horse.

either orr on June 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Do you want us to summon getalife?

Upstater85 on June 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM

NOOO!!! Think of all the poor, innocent babies and goats you would have to ritually sacrifice to summon it!

Master Shake on June 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Admirable. Completely wrongheaded and economically dangerous, but admirable for his consistent obstinacy to evidence and reason.

Sometimes Ed writes like a Freshman in college turning in his first poli-sci paper. Good grief.

crr6 on June 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM

blatantblue on June 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Dude,

Cut back on the spicy foods. There’s daydreaming, nightmares, incredibly lucid dreams, and unremarkable dreams. You…..that’s waaaaaaaay out there.

BobMbx on June 19, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Have you seen the video Beck put together, catching Obama and others doing exactly what Feingold does here?

RightWinged on June 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Huh, so where are all the trolls in this thread?

Akzed on June 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM

They’re at the orientation meeting, getting their “US CENSUS Worker, sponsored by ACORN” badges.

BobMbx on June 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Couldn’t summon her… but got pretty close…

Upstater85 on June 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Admirable. Completely wrongheaded and economically dangerous, but admirable for his consistent obstinacy to evidence and reason.

Hey, Hitler didn’t hide his disdain for the Jews in Mein Kampf… admirable… very admirable.

I think the best we can say about a statist, anti-Constitutionalist, socialist like feingold is that we are “thankful” for his honesty… but there is absolutely nothing to be admired in a horrifying enemy of the Constitution telling us he’s a horrifying enemy of the Constitution.

Looking for a reason to compliment a Democrat… Ed, if I didn’t know it before, I know it now… you ARE a Republican! LOL!

mankai on June 19, 2009 at 12:14 PM

They’re at the orientation meeting, getting their “US CENSUS Worker, sponsored by ACORN” badges.

BobMbx on June 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Just as Obama is Lord of the Flies… Palin could be Head of the Chipmunks…

Upstater85 on June 19, 2009 at 12:14 PM

I wake up, realizing it was all a dream.

But is it?

blatantblue on June 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Are you touched in the head?

Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Jeff from WI on June 19, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Um…take a look at my username. I live right at the edge between Madison and Middleton. In college I was acquainted with his nephew, who was even more of a moonbat than his uncle.

It may sound defeatist, but I guess some of us have simply come to the point where liberals who actually stick by what they say, and don’t rely on double standards day in and day out to express how they vote, don’t bother us nearly as much as the other 98% of them.

MadisonConservative on June 19, 2009 at 12:16 PM

AnninCA says: I think it’s great that they have to lie about a bill in order to get it passed.

lorien1973 on June 19, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Ann’s argument is that all her libertarian-leaning friends are horrifically opposed to single-payer and they yearn (YEARN, mind you) to vote for Republicans… but because of the abortion issue they are forced to support the most Stalinist candidates.

mankai on June 19, 2009 at 12:17 PM

AnninCA thinks it is okay to lie to get ObamaCare passed.

AnninCA believes that ObamaCare will be just like her current Kaiser plan.

I wonder if AnninCA considers the possibility that she believes a lie?

myrenovations on June 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Exactly. Why is it so hard to believe, that this is just the context they NEED to tell us, to get this passed, and in the end….it won’t be about health care for anyone, but a means of control, and power.

What government giveth, to get you dependent, and without any other choice, government can taketh away!

capejasmine on June 19, 2009 at 12:24 PM

They’re at the orientation meeting, getting their “US CENSUS Worker, sponsored by ACORN” badges.

BobMbx on June 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Hey now…some of us are census workers are just trying to get a job.

Dark-Star on June 19, 2009 at 12:25 PM

MadisonConservative on June 19, 2009 at 12:16 PM

It’s at least easier to argue with someone willing to be honest about where they stand. Most Democrat excel in telling you what you want to hear so you don’t notice when they sold your life.

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2009 at 12:27 PM

crr6 on June 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM
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That doesn’t surprise me coming from you.
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You are such a positive force here at Hot Air.
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Please continue and tell us all how you really feel.
,
I waiting with a banana here and it is just for you crr6.

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Ha-Ha! Obama’s doctor opposes ObamaCare (via Drudge).

WashJeff on June 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Ed, I know you revel in your innate humanity, but really. Admiration for an honest idiot is still admiration for an idiot.
Honesty should be the minimal expectation. Character traits should go up from there, not down.

SKYFOX on June 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Obama needs a “History Eraser Button” Czar.

Daggett on June 19, 2009 at 11:41 AM

He’s already got that, they are also known as the MSM.

redridinghood on June 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Ed, I know you revel in your innate humanity, but really. Admiration for an honest idiot is still admiration for an idiot.
Honesty should be the minimal expectation. Character traits should go up from there, not down.

SKYFOX on June 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

So what does this say about Wisconson voters? Russ Feingold is honest about his statism; therefore, the voters know what they are getting when they vote for him.

WashJeff on June 19, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Do people actually understand that after we go to single payer, just about everything is out the window?

No more plastic surgery, no more liposuction, no more face lifts, no more tummy tucks. Or could it be that all the lib women thing they’re going to get a government funded boob-job?

Mr. Grump on June 19, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Take it from someone who has met and interviewed Feingold

He’s a creep who can’t keep his pants zipped.

Uncle Bouncy on June 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM

All I can say is no sh!t sherlock.

sonofdy on June 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Feingold has never been a guy to stick to the Obama script. Sometimes I dip over to pro-Obama sites and am pretty amazed at what they’re saying about him. Mostly they’re angry that he dares question Obama’s appointees about issues like warrantless wiretapping, detention, etc, since we all know those things are perfectly fine now that a Democrat is president. Even in the campaign he refused to call the Republicans racist hatemongers and said that he believed McCain was an honorable guy.

So you can say this for him, even if you hate his views… he’ll continue to vex the president’s message people, as he isn’t a talking points kind of politician.

Now, someone needs to ask him why as a guy who is seen as being less of a spend-spend-spend liberal, he supports a public option. Does he think it’s going to save the government money? He talks a lot about budget discipline, where does single payer fit in that?

btw, it’s rumored Feingold’s dating Beth Broderick. Best known as Aunt Zelda from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. There’s got to be a joke in there somewhere.

Siobhan on June 19, 2009 at 12:38 PM

It may sound defeatist, but I guess some of us have simply come to the point where liberals who actually stick by what they say, and don’t rely on double standards day in and day out to express how they vote, don’t bother us nearly as much as the other 98% of them.

MadisonConservative on June 19, 2009 at 12:16 PM

It’s not defeatist to have political opponents in a democracy. Without them, it’s hard to have a democracy. And it’s not defeatist to want your opponents to be honest.

Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 12:40 PM

This is just a ploy by democraps like they did on the Porkulus. Have the Senate strike out some provisions of the socialist legislation, have the dupes approve the supposedly neutered legislation, then go to conference with a unanimous socialist panel from both houses, restore those ‘stricken’ provisions, then give the respective chambers three hours to try to read the reconciled bill before voting on it.

eaglewingz08 on June 19, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Obama needs a “History Eraser Button” Czar.

Daggett on June 19, 2009 at 11:41 AM

And a “pay for this with the trillions I pull out of my hindquarters” Czar, too.

My hope at the moment is that congress fumbles this bill so atrociously in the coming week that the ABC special designed to sell it gets canceled. Or better yet, that they spend the entire hour trying to talk Obama out from under his desk.

Tonus on June 19, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Ha-Ha! Obama’s doctor opposes ObamaCare (via Drudge).

WashJeff on June 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Unfortunately the doctor doesn’t agree for the reasons one would hope:

Scheiner thinks that a good health reform would be “Medicare for all,” a single-payer system where the government would cover everyone and pay for it by cutting out waste in the system. “A neurosurgeon gets paid $20,000 for cutting into the neck of my patient. Have him get paid $1 million a year instead of $2 million or $3 million. He won’t starve,” Scheiner says.

txag92 on June 19, 2009 at 12:44 PM

If this is a Dem only bill and law, look out when the tax bill comes. I thought his Eminence said no new taxes.

d1carter on June 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Have him get paid $1 million a year instead of $2 million or $3 million. He won’t starve,” Scheiner says.

txag92 on June 19, 2009 at 12:44 PM

While that’s true enough, the problem there will be that the government will never recognize a minimum ‘floor’ salary, and keep cutting it lower. At least doctors do something useful for their hefty salaries!

Dark-Star on June 19, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Obama’s campaign for health care reform may be in jeopardy

looks like some back peddling… please FAIL a miserable FAILURE!

gatorboy on June 19, 2009 at 12:50 PM

It’s not defeatist to have political opponents in a democracy. Without them, it’s hard to have a democracy. And it’s not defeatist to want your opponents to be honest.

Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 12:40 PM.
I would have gone with “to have a republic”——-> as in: and to this Republic for which it stands, one nation, under ———> It’s a pledge sorta kinda thing to me.
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I don’t consider the U.S. a democracy. It is a Republic.

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 12:50 PM

…a co-op approach modeled after rural electricity and telecom providers, subject to government oversight and funded with federal seed money

O-bots are probably thinking that if they can nationalize GM, they can nationalize a co-op. Incrementalism.

petefrt on June 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM

I don’t consider the U.S. a democracy. It is a Republic.

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Yes, but our government is elected by democratic means.

MadisonConservative on June 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM

txag92 on June 19, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Arghhhh! Obiviously did not read. Why do these idiots think it is OK for the ogvernment to set the wages of others (or themselves)? What idiots.

WashJeff on June 19, 2009 at 12:54 PM

“Obama himself told audiences in 2007 that he wanted to move to single payer, but that the US needed a transition to eliminate private health insurance.”

The MSM know this. It is an outrage that this hasn’t been spoken on the air/print. It’s tantamount to a coverup! It’s criminal! It’s intentionally misleading America by omission! Damn, I’m so pissed about this conspiracy.

marklmail on June 19, 2009 at 12:56 PM

It’s hard too know which is more dangerous:

- true believers nutters, like Feingold;
- or cynical, power-mad, angry megalomaniacs, like Obama.

Really, the only answer is imprison them all.

notagool on June 19, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Obama’s campaign for health care reform may be in jeopardy

looks like some back peddling… please FAIL a miserable FAILURE!

gatorboy on June 19, 2009 at 12:50 PM

I hope he fails.

Anyone who thinks this can work need look no farther than Japan… where they have implemented a single payer system. Sure, the health care there is fine NOW but half the Hospitals have gone bankrupt, with the other half going the same direction.

Socialism stops working when you run out of other people’s money, or in this case their time. Doctors don’t treat people for free. If you doubt that the health care shortage will happen or not, look to Japan… it’s starting to happen already.

If anything, it’ll happen here faster.

Chaz706 on June 19, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I don’t see single payer health insurance. I see two health insurance systems.

One system will the public system for the people forced into as mandates and taxes destroy the private insurance market.

Another system will be a continuation of the system for politicians and government workers. There is no way that they are going to give up their deluxe federal insurance paid for by the tax payers.

Think Cuba: a pathetic system for the masses and a great system for the party elites and those with assess to hard currency.

Laurence on June 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM

So what does this say about Wisconson voters? Russ Feingold is honest about his statism; therefore, the voters know what they are getting when they vote for him.

WashJeff

Offhand I think it says that WI voters trend liberal or they have low expectations (for true libs that’s redundant).

SKYFOX on June 19, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Really, the only answer is imprison them all.

notagool on June 19, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Are you joking or just a moby?

MadisonConservative on June 19, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Yes, but our government is elected by democratic means.

MadisonConservative on June 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM
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No argument on your elected by democratic means.
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Democratic is defined by advocating or based upon the principles of democracy or social equality.
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Definition of a republic is a state without a monarch as such a state or nation in which the supreme power rests in all the citizens entitled to vote (the electorate) and is exercised by representatives elected, directly or indirectly, by them and responsible to them.

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Honesty would be dropping the euphemism single payer for the truth: government run

Basilsbest on June 19, 2009 at 1:14 PM

There’s nothing admirable about “obstinacy to evidence and reason”.

JohnJ on June 19, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Single payor is a monopoly. For it to work, they have to be the only source of reimbursement for the doc. Then they can tell the doc who to see and exactly how much he can earn.

Bad business models need and seek being a monopoly.

seven on June 19, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 1:08 PM

“Robust debate” between opponents is a good thing, as long as one doesn’t dishonestly mean by that phrase, the “brutal suppression” of opponents.

Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM

seven on June 19, 2009 at 1:16 PM

As if that weren’t bad enough, they will also ration specialties among medical students. Ultimately they will have to. It won’t stop the degredation of medical care, it will be a stopgap measure.
The list of bad sh*t that single payer entails is longer than any Democrat is willing to admit.

SKYFOX on June 19, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Do you want us to summon getalife?

Upstater85 on June 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Who cares about single payer

Rethuglicons didn’t complain when we all paid for an illegal war

Your time to complain is over

War crime

LibTired on June 19, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Curious how Ann hasn’t shown up in this thread so far…

That said, it’s also curious that they think they have to try and sneak it by us to get it passed…that’s a dead giveaway that they don’t represent actual Americans on this issue…not even a majority.

bluelightbrigade on June 19, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong here but doesn’t the price of postage stamps continue to rise on a semi-regular to a regular basis. Government run Post Office equates to Government Run Health Care. If my premise is acceptable, then can it not be considered a true statement that the cost of Government Health Care too will just continue to increase on a semi-regular to a regular basis. Eliminating competition does not encourage price containment for goods and services it only removes the desire to keep cost in check. Without competition their is no ceiling to keep cost from spiraling out of control. To keep prices from spiraling out of control, that would require even more goverment intervention. So why have any government involvement at all in private business if all they do is remove the incentives to keep prices competitive and eventually cost more to the tax payer in the long run.

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 1:38 PM

“Robust debate” between opponents is a good thing, as long as one doesn’t dishonestly mean by that phrase, the “brutal suppression” of opponents.

Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM
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Lox you lost me at the phrase, the “brutal suppression” of opponents bit. What are you talking about?

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Here’s the link for Beck’s video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ-6ebku3_E

singer on June 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM

LibTired on June 19, 2009 at 1:29 PM
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That was a good impersonation of getalife. Do it again for Upstater85. I don’t know why, but what the he!!.

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Lox you lost me at the phrase, the “brutal suppression” of opponents bit. What are you talking about?

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 1:42 PM

The president refers to what is happening in Iran as “robust debate.” I don’t want that kind of debate happening here. Of course, I have seen it in academia, with liberals blocking access to conservatives, chanting:

Stop the hate!
No room for debate!

Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM

I have a better plan.

Give a 100% reimbursement including deductibles (not tax credit) for all medical expenses on the annual tax return. Those who choose not to purchase health insurance would do so because they have nothing to loose and more people in the private market will create better competition.

We are already seeing $4 generic drugs due to the competition that was created when the prescription drug plan was added to Medicare.

Create a tax incentive for private owned non-emergency health clinics and emergency care facilities. We are already seeing grocery store and drug store chains offering non-emergency care within their facilities. This will help alleviate the strain on hospital emergency rooms.

Create a catastrophic care insurance program and fund it as a supplement to private insurance. This will create a better price in the private market. Medicaid is used for catastrophic care for the non-insured based on standard of living.

Change the rules concerning private nursing homes and assisted living. No one should have to surrender their private property and accumulated personal wealth in their declining years in order to live out their life with dignity.

Pass TORT Reform

There is no need for a national health care insurance program for basic care. I do believe we need one for catastrophic care though and I’d rather see us spend the money in that area. It would help bring down the cost of private insurance for everybody.

Texas Gal on June 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM

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