Oh my: Health care, amnesty, climate change bills all suddenly in trouble
posted at 7:17 pm on June 19, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Imagine what the conservative grassroots reaction would be like if the GOP held the White House, both houses of Congress, and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and still couldn’t get its core domestic programs passed. You think you hate RINOs? Wait and see how the nutroots respond to Blue Dog Democrats if they end up scuttling universal health care when all the numbers are in the left’s favor. Especially when Drudge has an item up about talks on climate change between Democrats having blown up last night and Gibbs is telling the White House press corps that the votes still aren’t there on amnesty, notwithstanding the fact that the Democrats picked up seats last year in both chambers and The One promising a Hispanic group today that it’s coming.
Too much, too soon?
The White House’s “big bang” theory of proposing a raft of landmark legislation all at once is giving way to fears of a “big chaos” backlash. Congressional chairmen saying that the pipes are overloaded between health care and climate legislation — and that was before this week’s arrival of the biggest overhaul of financial regulations in 70 years.
And don’t forget Congress needs to fit in work on all of its annual spending bills and take a month off in August.
This mad rush of legislation is posing fiscal and tactical problems for Democrats.
They simply don’t have the money to change the health care system, overhaul the energy sector and increase domestic spending as part of the appropriations process — without imposing big tax increases or exploding the deficit. Something has to give. Even if they did, the gears of Congress move slowly. Any or all of these proposals could easily jam them up.
Ace spots a plum quote from health-care veteran Rep. Jim Cooper declaring health care on “life support,” too. And yet, and yet, with Obama’s popularity still high and a bunch of GOP retirements looming, it’s still as likely as not that the Dems will pick up more seats next year, which means killing these measures now is no guarantee that they’ll stay dead for long. If The One is smart, he’ll table health care for the moment and make some moves towards fiscal conservatism to reassure voters about spending, then return to it after the midterms. Sure would be nice, though, to have some Republican leadership capable of winning votes in the meantime instead of waiting around for the Democrats to lose them. Exit question: To what extent will nutroots-fueled primary challenges to Blue Dogs next year strengthen the GOP’s hand? If they lash out and try to sabotage moderate Democrats by dragging them left, it gives us a sweet opening in purple districts.
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kryptonite & poll numbers will do that.
portlandon on June 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Let the leftist civil war commence.
It’s been such a good week.
ZJPolitical on June 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Too much, too soon, you fail, Bufoon.
Key West Reader on June 19, 2009 at 7:21 PM
For the first time in the Obama regime, I am beginning to feel real hope and change, and that Obama will become a colossal failure!
FredLawVegas on June 19, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Uh, something already gave. Have you seen the deficit lately? And they’re already talking big tax increases. They’re just trying to buy time til after the midterms before imposing them.
Doughboy on June 19, 2009 at 7:22 PM
I hope he’s failed.
CK MacLeod on June 19, 2009 at 7:22 PM
At the rate,and speed of Liberal plans,
the iceberg is waiting for Team Hopey
Titanic!!
canopfor on June 19, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Failure in 6 months? 42 months to go O-bey. What else could he fail at in that amount of time?
portlandon on June 19, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Well said. The Dems blodly go into red states and poach our territories by removing our incumbents. The GOP is barely content with protecting tis turf. Dunno how it survives.
promachus on June 19, 2009 at 7:24 PM
And Card Check is gone and his BS poll numbers are dropping and people are starting to add up the deficit disaster.
Maybe we will still have a country and a constitution, along with a real actual American for a President someday..
TexasJew on June 19, 2009 at 7:25 PM
“Health care, amnesty, climate change bills all suddenly in trouble” – is the best news I have read all week. Thank you!
wubu on June 19, 2009 at 7:26 PM
If he fails in this big ticket items, I am afraid he’ll try and split them up and rush the poison in small doses.
promachus on June 19, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Concerning the Blue Dogs voting in Congress. I think the assumption is premature at this point as we don’t know what kind of ‘deals’ will be made behind closed doors. I’m thinking of the “offers you can’t refuse” nature.
anuts on June 19, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Unfortunately, he’s promised us that we “ain’t seen nothing yet”.
venividivici on June 19, 2009 at 7:26 PM
We knew the Obama administration was going to overreach. With Rahm making statements about not letting a crisis go to waste and the left trying to ram everything through at supersonic speed, their intentions were obvious. They know they have an extremely limited amount of time to get things accomplished before the public wakes up from this Hopeandchange-induced stupor.
And if things don’t get done in 2009, they CERTAINLY won’t get done in 2010, when every representative and 33 senators have to face the voters.
Obama opponents and critics have played this well so far.
BardMan on June 19, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Maybe the left needs to stop running like moderates…no, wait, like Republicans. At the same time, if Republicans would merely start running like, um…republicans, we might be getting somewhere.
Guess what? This country IS center right.
Mommypundit on June 19, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Thank heavens America is broke. If it was cash flush, there would be no stopping the global warming legislation and the socialized medicine. Being in debt up to its ears is the only thing that might save the US from forever becoming a socialist state. Socialism requires, how ironic, massive amounts of capital, in order to sell it to westerners. Capital is savings. America has no savings. All it has is debt.
Let us bow our heads in thanks.
keep the change on June 19, 2009 at 7:27 PM
So the Cloward-Piven Strategy can backfire on the Cloward-Pivens? Heh.
Wethal on June 19, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Hopefully?
Everything!
Hog Wild on June 19, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Never underestimate the depths to which the Left will sink, the poisonousness of their vitriol, or their willingness to cheat to acheive The One’s Holy Kingdom on Earth. Religious fanatics have nothing to compare to the righteous indignation of the entitled. Round one ain’t even close to over.
trubble on June 19, 2009 at 7:28 PM
If they lash out and try to sabotage moderate Democrats by dragging them left, it gives us a sweet opening in purple districts.
if we have some conservative repubs and not the squishy type in those districts……would be nice.
SHARPTOOTH on June 19, 2009 at 7:28 PM
AP – shhhhhhhhh!!! Don’t give them any ideas!!!!!
HillaryCare, among other bold and stupid Democrat initiatives, brought in the Newt Revolution in 1994.
pullingmyhairout on June 19, 2009 at 7:28 PM
promachus on June 19, 2009 at 7:24 PM
The GOP will be going more libertarian, small government and fiscally conservative.
No more big-government RINOs like McCain.
TexasJew on June 19, 2009 at 7:29 PM
I think a good 35% to 48% of the people who voted for Bozo are going to wake up.. if they already haven’t and say. Opps!
upinak on June 19, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Taking on way more than he can handle. Who would have expected that from someone with no real world experience?
pedestrian on June 19, 2009 at 7:29 PM
“The greatest orator ever” made Sissy Matthews cream in his pants.
That just goes to show ya. You can’t run the Country with a teleprompter, eh?
/fugger. I’m glad he’s already failed. Yo, Bama? Take your hope, change, your garden of wealth distribution, your fat a$$ fugly wife and your cute little daughters and exit stage left. Now. You’re an embarrassment to the Universe. Nice try, communitist ohgamasah. GTF out.
Key West Reader on June 19, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Keep up the Heat!
Ignore this story
PrezHussein on June 19, 2009 at 7:30 PM
ap whats with the ad on the side bar? help oboobi re-build america…..
SHARPTOOTH on June 19, 2009 at 7:30 PM
OT – but I just saw a map of the states with the highest unemployment. With the exception of a few, all of them are Blue States.
How are those tax and spend liberal policies working out for you now, Obamabots.
pullingmyhairout on June 19, 2009 at 7:30 PM
now that’s some of the change i have been hoping for!
homesickamerican on June 19, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Tea parties 7/4. Thinks what the Iran people are doing for their freedom!
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letget on June 19, 2009 at 7:31 PM
This is what happens when the lunatics run the asylum. All the loons have a different idea of crazy and can’t agree on who’s the nuttiest loon.
This is getting fun to watch!
orlandocajun on June 19, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Obama and the far lefts failure to fully push their agenda is proof that people still have the power in the good ol’ USA and that there are still some around with common sense that hound their reps.
iceman1960 on June 19, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Tell us how you REALLY feel.
portlandon on June 19, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Sweeter than a soft kiss on a summers morn.
blatantblue on June 19, 2009 at 7:34 PM
I am enjoying his failure. When leftists in power meet reality its always fun, entertaining, and educational to watch how it explodes in their faces. Boom! Don’t change a thing Barry!
Which reminds me; Hey Barry how’s that Iran policy going?
elduende on June 19, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Oh wait,,, what would a RINO do now?? I know,,, form some kind of coalition and come out in support of Obama’s shams so they can prove to America Republicans want Obama to succeed!
In fact,, maybe they can sway enough Dems to push through all of his proposals! Wouldn’t that be lovely!
Never underestimate the stupidity of a RINO.
JellyToast on June 19, 2009 at 7:35 PM
where’s that map? i’d like to see it.
homesickamerican on June 19, 2009 at 7:36 PM
This is the kind of failure that Rush spoke about.
iceman1960 on June 19, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Seriously people. Grain of salt news. Tread cautiously.
anuts on June 19, 2009 at 7:36 PM
I can live with that.
Bob's Kid on June 19, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Don’t forget caving into unions, an essential component of bankrupting your government or company.
Wethal on June 19, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Nothing would please me more than to hear that great crash.The fall of Lib-Soc.I only hope our nation can last that long.Just look what the freedom loving people of Iran are doing facing down guns with only there desire for freedom.
thmcbb on June 19, 2009 at 7:39 PM
I just don’t see this happening. Obama and the Dems are spending money like rich kids who just got access to their trust funds. I don’t see the American people thinking it would be a good idea to elect more of these bums.
Kim Priestap on June 19, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
- Charles Mackay
MB4 on June 19, 2009 at 7:42 PM
The wheels aren’t coming off this administration but they are hitting road blocks that may be unsurmountable, including public opinion. He will never have it as easy as he has from here on out.
sherry on June 19, 2009 at 7:43 PM
we probably will defeat the climate bill, card check as well. Immigration reform is dead in the water, the health care though will be the real fight. If we can get through this year, and this year alone by blocking the public plan, we will have scored a significant victory, defensive in nature but not to be underestimated.In 2010 the midterms will be the priority, you may get another nonsensical stimulus, but that is nothing compared to destroying health care.
rob verdi on June 19, 2009 at 7:43 PM
The potential for multiple failures like this make Obama a very dangerous man. Everything in his life has been handed to him — quite possibly even his college degrees since we’ve never seen a transcript — so he will go very quickly to his hostile and authoritarian defensive position. Picture the most spoiled child you know being told he can’t have candy in the checkout line at the grocery store. Now imagine that this child has the complete powers of the federal government at his disposal to destroy anyone who gets in his way. This is going to get ugly. Very, very ugly. And no matter how abusive and scorched earth Obama gets, the MSM will portray him as a victim of partisan politics. Nothing is going to shut down Obama’s agenda. Nothing.
Rational Thought on June 19, 2009 at 7:44 PM
In the Senate? Maybe a seat or two, maybe.
In the House? Not bloody likely!
MB4 on June 19, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Right now, Blue Dogs are the only hope we have of slowing down the Obamanation.
Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 7:46 PM
It does seem as though Obama and the Dems are spent after passing that monstrous stimulus bill, but who knows how long the refractory period will be?
DarkKnight3565 on June 19, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Fixed.
Del Dolemonte on June 19, 2009 at 7:48 PM
A very good point.
Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Like that Twilight Zone episode staring Billy Mumy as the omnipotent brat who keeps wishing people into the cornfield.
Disturb the Universe on June 19, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Not so fast there chief.
toliver on June 19, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Frikkin Dhimocrats get all exited about the new hopey changy world they get to create and then, WHAM!, reality rains all over their parade.
So here I sit with my umbrella yelling, “We warned you!” from the sidelines.
Guardian on June 19, 2009 at 7:51 PM
I think we aare a long way from turning this fiasco around but I also think Bama got hisself a crisis on his hands of being singularly unable to put any work where his mouth is.
Without crashing the bills through with a few authors and no scrutiny, the odds of failure go up dramatically. The more sunlight on this mess, the uglier it looks, just like Michelle.
to paraphrase the evil Soros, as he thought of other people, as I think of Bama I am having a pretty good “crisis” right now.
Someone who has never done anything but talk invariably ends up short when there is real work required.
The only scary part is what level of tantrum he and his acolytes throw…how far it overreaches.
“We won” don’t mean nothin’, little man, when it comes to looking people in the eye.
Harry Schell on June 19, 2009 at 7:53 PM
I believe that several months of 10% or higher unemployment, and inflation due to low confidence in US Bonds and higher fuel prices, may well result in major Republicans in both chambers of Congress. Throw in an international disaster or two, and we may retake the Senate.
Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Here’s a climate change question for you. Many of the studies predicting calamitous destruction and Biblical levels of chaotic weather are several years old.
How have the early years of those climate models held up? Has the reality matched the computer simulation? If not, why should we assume a model will get MORE accurate when predicting FURTHER into the future?
hawksruleva on June 19, 2009 at 7:54 PM
I love the smell of fried moonbat in the morning….
Smells like VICTORY!
HornetSting on June 19, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Especially when it’s crrawling with flies
Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Mafia tactics on the brink?
Schadenfreude on June 19, 2009 at 7:56 PM
PAT TOOMEY!
alliebobbitt on June 19, 2009 at 7:57 PM
After all of these initiatives go kaput, what is Obozo going to do for the next 3 1/2 years?
txag92 on June 19, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Flies sleep in the dark and buzz in the day/sunlight.
Schadenfreude on June 19, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Actually, Charles Johnson of LGF also makes me think of Anthony Freemont (Billy Mumy) and the cornfield.
MB4 on June 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM
I just hope that the RINOS are taking note……
Americans don’t want AMNESTY for lawbreaking leaches, government healthcare, and we don’t believe in fairy tales like climate change.
Pass the popcorn!
HornetSting on June 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM
He can’t do it. Can’t back down for the same reason the head mullet in Iran can’t back down now. Once the illusion is shattered they lose all control.
Obama has made Health Care his signature issue. If he loses that, he loses everything. One or two more hard knocks and we might get to see fireworks.
Skandia Recluse on June 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Is it too soon to say WE WON?
redwhiteblue on June 19, 2009 at 8:03 PM
Not a map, but the figures, from the very source
Schadenfreude on June 19, 2009 at 8:04 PM
He’s not that smart…..
HornetSting on June 19, 2009 at 8:05 PM
Ease up there sports fans lest we forget the Chicago way. This ain’t nearly over. The last thing we need is for the conservatives to go back to keeping their mouths shut as most do. Finally, many are speaking up. Keep your foot on their throat or chances are they’ll get loose and bite you on your arse.
HoustonRight on June 19, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Even a man who is pure at heart and says his prayers by night may become a wolf when the wolf-bane blooms and the moon is full and bright.
Lon Chaney on June 19, 2009 at 8:11 PM
sadly, heh, true
The bail outs combined with the fake stimulus pouring money to support current state and local gov payrolls and run one jobs like sidewalk repair already broke the bank
This has blown the credibility of Treasury notes, which while still selling are starting to scare buyers
with normal borrowing tapped the Feds can print money, which they have been doing although they call it buying up their own securities, or seize money, which they call taxation
Meanwhile interest rates are being held down to nothing, a fix that kept Japan on ice for years. However, if they raise rates even one full point, folk all over the USA start going belly up from variable rate debt.
IMHO the only way to get out of this is to cut taxes hard and fast to pump business we have left and keep the taxpayer alive unstead of the local pols and their hereditary employees. Won’t happen
Natl health, green fantasies, and more benefits for illegals (which is the net result of amnesty) are impossible unless the fed sets up new printing presses for the money that will be needed to buy a loaf of bread
The clinker is the dead states like Calif who want the imaginary Natl health dollars to stay alive. Calif has been subsidizing its wealthy illusions for years with an underpaid illegal underclass that in turn has been subsidized with federal welfare. Everyone can have a Mexican gardener if the taxpayer in Michigan is paying his medical and food stamps
Termites have infused the system and are eating away the last beams holding the whole stinking mess together
I think we may get the full Depression because these sickos cannot stop
entagor on June 19, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Interesting map
Schadenfreude on June 19, 2009 at 8:13 PM
wheres the map?i’d like to see it.
homesickamerican onJune 19,2009 at 7:76PM.
homesickamerican: Here ya go. Taken from ChrisM at 5:26PM.
From todays,H/A,California unemployment
thread!
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http://data.bls.gov/map/servlet/map.servlet.MapToolServlet?survey=la&map=state&seasonal=s
canopfor on June 19, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Two words: Executive Orders. Just the thing for the postmodern “Czar Czar” on the go.
Blacksmith on June 19, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Locked, loaded and ready for bear in Eastern Arizona. :)
chemman on June 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM
I want my gold star. I predicted all of these would fail miserably. My next prediction? Obama is doomed come Fall.
John the Libertarian on June 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM
While all of this sounds good, everyone needs to keep the communications going to the GOP congressmen, and the Blue Dogs. Now is not the time to relax, as things can change in the Politburo on the Potomac at any time.
ICBM on June 19, 2009 at 8:21 PM
No problem, Champ. I plan on keeping a foot on their throat and a boot up their arse until we are marching illegal aliens back to their home countries, we have medical coverage for AMERICAN citizens that is reasonable and affordable even to small business owners, and we are frog marching Al Gore off of Earth for selling false propaganda.
HornetSting on June 19, 2009 at 8:21 PM
From your mouth….Swawmy John!
HornetSting on June 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Call me a right wing extremist but if the Lefties do manage to get this country crushing agenda passed then I’m joining the secessionist movement. I refuses to live the rest of my life trying to undo this mess. I don’t think it will be possible.
It’s time for the Right to ask the Left for a divorce. If they want to live in what will evolve into a Marxist state I say let them. Just don’t drag us down with them.
I will not become a slave to this government. This weekend I’m buying another gun. This government needs to fear the people, not the other way around. That’s totalitarianism.
DerKrieger on June 19, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Now is not the time to rest. Now is the time to pour it on.
bbordwell on June 19, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Hey trolls:
If your talking points source is overloaded right now, try spinning this as brilliant strategy. Tell conservatives that they are just too stupid to understand in your own charming way.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled shadenfreude. ;-)
Right_of_Attila on June 19, 2009 at 8:45 PM
I feel bad for the kids in college who really believed that the big Oaf was going to change the world for them, and went to the polls en mass. They volunteered for him en mass. Now they’ve graduated and can’t find work. Their out of work parents are taking jobs that were once available to them. He basically hasn’t done anything he promised. I truly think he will go down in history as the biggest liar and worst president ever.
scalleywag on June 19, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Sweet irony. The Dems in congress blew up the economy on purpose just to get Obama elected, but now they can’t get any bills through because they blew up the economy. Shot themselves in the foot.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on June 19, 2009 at 8:50 PM
…”it’s still as likely as not that the Dems will pick up more seats next year“…
That’s horsesh!t
Lamontyoubigdummy on June 19, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Dems to pick up more seats next time? haha
I would bet a lot against that proposition. My feeling is they will be thrashed big time.
exceller on June 19, 2009 at 8:56 PM
You’re killing me Allah,
….with Obama’s popularity still high (and falling, will fall further) and a bunch of GOP retirements looming (Dems have problems here too), it’s still as likely as not that the Dems will pick up more seats next year(WRONG)…..
Two things: one is that the election is way more then a year away, light years in politics and second, read the post by James Pethokoukis from Ruters today. Obama gambled on the economy and lost. Never in the history of the world has an government ever had success with a trickle up economic model; in fact this is only theory and no data exists to show otherwise. Tax cuts or trickle down has already been proven to work in modern government policy – the Reagan model.
In a year from now we will still have 10% unemployment (European levels),GDP growth of 1% (European levels) and pissed off American’s who expect more. Its the economy stupid.
TangoZulu on June 19, 2009 at 8:58 PM
I’m waiting to pass judgement after ABC news gives me the TRUTH /sarc
conservativecaveman on June 19, 2009 at 9:06 PM
“My feeling is they will be thrashed big time.”
Thrashed? No. Probably not. Loose a filibuster proof majority? Hell yes.
The blue dogs are jumping ship for a reason, and Congressional/ Senate elections aren’t national, they’re local. And Obama ain’t on the ticket this time to pump the ancillary Democrat vote. These [D] jackasses have to go home and campaign to people that have lost jobs and long standing small businesses because of Obama’s economic policies. Many of those people will be formerly prosperous (under Bush) minorities. Any Democrat up for re-election in a southern or right to work state is gonna be screwed. Add the corruption angles and it gets even worse.
Lamontyoubigdummy on June 19, 2009 at 9:08 PM
Hope you all read the letter from Mrs. Contreras on glennbeck.com.
If not, do it! e-mail it! sign the petiton!
The server crashed over 12 hours from people trying to sign.
katy the mean old lady on June 19, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Dem’s will lose the house in 2010. Hopenchange is a debacle for them.
exceller on June 19, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Guys…. the problem with all this talk about who picks up more seat in 2010 is that the GOP brand is SHIT. And it will remain SHIT for awhile…. The Dem brand is going to be poo-poo too, and they wear this debt around their necks with shame…. but people aren’t just going to run back into the arms of the GOP. The GOP needs to clean house… run LOTS of rookie conservatives that have their hands clean. That’s the only way to gain more traction. I predict a low turnout in 2010 as the “moderate” voters return to apathy towards both parties….
I wonder if it’s time for a nation-wide Conservative party…. strict Conservative principles…. based on recent polls, we would have a plurality almost instantly.
BPD on June 19, 2009 at 9:17 PM
I will say this, if Obama kills coal and doubles energy bills, he will not only be the first Democrat to win Indiana in 40 years…he might well be the last to win it ever.
So far all people have gotten out of all these promises is debt.
As for the midterms, I still think the Republicans might do pretty well. Even if there are Republicans coming up for retirement, that does not mean Democrats will always win those seats.
Terrye on June 19, 2009 at 9:17 PM
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