Oh my: Health care, amnesty, climate change bills all suddenly in trouble
posted at 7:17 pm on June 19, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Imagine what the conservative grassroots reaction would be like if the GOP held the White House, both houses of Congress, and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and still couldn’t get its core domestic programs passed. You think you hate RINOs? Wait and see how the nutroots respond to Blue Dog Democrats if they end up scuttling universal health care when all the numbers are in the left’s favor. Especially when Drudge has an item up about talks on climate change between Democrats having blown up last night and Gibbs is telling the White House press corps that the votes still aren’t there on amnesty, notwithstanding the fact that the Democrats picked up seats last year in both chambers and The One promising a Hispanic group today that it’s coming.
Too much, too soon?
The White House’s “big bang” theory of proposing a raft of landmark legislation all at once is giving way to fears of a “big chaos” backlash. Congressional chairmen saying that the pipes are overloaded between health care and climate legislation — and that was before this week’s arrival of the biggest overhaul of financial regulations in 70 years.
And don’t forget Congress needs to fit in work on all of its annual spending bills and take a month off in August.
This mad rush of legislation is posing fiscal and tactical problems for Democrats.
They simply don’t have the money to change the health care system, overhaul the energy sector and increase domestic spending as part of the appropriations process — without imposing big tax increases or exploding the deficit. Something has to give. Even if they did, the gears of Congress move slowly. Any or all of these proposals could easily jam them up.
Ace spots a plum quote from health-care veteran Rep. Jim Cooper declaring health care on “life support,” too. And yet, and yet, with Obama’s popularity still high and a bunch of GOP retirements looming, it’s still as likely as not that the Dems will pick up more seats next year, which means killing these measures now is no guarantee that they’ll stay dead for long. If The One is smart, he’ll table health care for the moment and make some moves towards fiscal conservatism to reassure voters about spending, then return to it after the midterms. Sure would be nice, though, to have some Republican leadership capable of winning votes in the meantime instead of waiting around for the Democrats to lose them. Exit question: To what extent will nutroots-fueled primary challenges to Blue Dogs next year strengthen the GOP’s hand? If they lash out and try to sabotage moderate Democrats by dragging them left, it gives us a sweet opening in purple districts.
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BPD:
I don’t think that is fair. Republicans are not doing too badly on generic balloting. They are very close to Democrats there. And the truth is all politicians are looking a little crappy right now. But, Republicans today are faring better than they were when Reagan won as far as party ID is concerned.
Over and over again people say that both parties are done for, dead, lost, shit, whatever and time and again they both come back.
As for cleaning house, I think the GOP needs to run people who can win in their prospective regions. This stuff of trying to find cookie cutter candidates who match some make believe national standard is not the way to win elections.
All politics are local. Or so someone said.
Terrye on June 19, 2009 at 9:22 PM
And BPD:
Anytime conservatives want to start their own party they can, but they have to support it, pay for it, staff it, etc.And in the end, the Democrats would run right over them anyway.
Terrye on June 19, 2009 at 9:23 PM
How’s that drunken stimulus package workin’ out for you, dems?
Little Boomer on June 19, 2009 at 9:29 PM
These bills are ‘in trouble’ because THESE BILLS are not a priority for the American public. But those assholes in Washington live on a different planet.
GarandFan on June 19, 2009 at 9:30 PM
A Zero was elected… He won! Now, we get to see the truth about Obama play out. He has ZERO love for America as it has been. The land that our fathers fought and died to protect, it is all to be swept aside by this arrogant POS who would be messiah.
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I have to believe that most of our countrymen and women are preparing to say “enough”. Loudly, and firmly. Tea Parties, calls, email, bumper stickers, and votes. Plant seeds of sanity and doubt where you can. We need everyone wake to confront this man made disaster of a president.
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RalphyBoy on June 19, 2009 at 9:34 PM
I am sure Obama will get bored with his shiny new toy and will go write another book with Bill Ayers = “Help, I AM the president and I don’t know what to do”
izoneguy on June 19, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Yep. A lot of people (including fringe Obama voters) feel betrayed and held hostage. People are pissed and ready for – wait for it. wait for it. CHANGE! LMAO
marklmail on June 19, 2009 at 9:42 PM
What could go wrong……….?
Seven Percent Solution on June 19, 2009 at 9:43 PM
There’s Still Hope In America!
Honor, Integrity, Compassion and Respect..
You just need to get away from the Beltway and Large Cities to experience them.
Eagles Dominion on June 19, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Look, in both state and US Congressional/ Senate races after Obama was elected, democrats either barely managed to pull out a win or they drug hind tit.
Since then the atmosphere has changed because of Bammy’s economic stupidity and socialist nationalization crap. Not to mention Pelosi & Co’s stink. In 2008 the dupes and the bums ACORN dug up voted for Obama, and then voted right down the party line democrat on the same ballot. But they were there because of Obama. Those same poeple ain’t gonna show up and vote to re-elect Jim Bob Buttwater, D-Ohio.
We won’t take back the Hill, but we’ll win enough seats to make a huge difference.
Lamontyoubigdummy on June 19, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Obama’s mad power grab needs a title, I’ll go with The Screwed Deal. Shouldn’t be hard for FDR cultists to figure out.
Maquis on June 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM
All this will be ignored as Obama is touted as a wonderful father. Prepare to vomit on Sunday.
BHO Jonestown on June 19, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Separation of powers is racist.
Jim Treacher on June 19, 2009 at 9:55 PM
How many people voted in the 2008 election?
299,398,484 total population
225,746,457 total population over 18 years
122,394,724 total number of US citizens that voted in 2008 election
= 54% of population voted.
Between 22 and 24 million Americans ages 18-29 voted, resulting in an estimated youth voter turnout of between 49.3 and 54.5 percent.
Sixty-six percent of young voters cast their ballot for Barack Obama, the largest-ever showing for a presidential candidate in this age group.
Obama got 52% of those that voted. That sure leaves a lot of folks in rural areas that did not vote for whatever reason! 2010 is coming quickly and I believe that the turnout is going to shock a lot of people.
Eagles Dominion on June 19, 2009 at 9:57 PM
“F**k your damn unicorns! I vote for your pils of s**t plan and I’m toast next year!”
Ah, moonbat panic on the far left pressuring blue-dog mildly leftists. Looks like another of those:
Liberal Dilemmas
Sapwolf on June 19, 2009 at 10:05 PM
“Separation of powers is racist.”
I missed that part in the Federalist Papers.
Them dern
JewsZionists musta got a’hold of the white out.Lamontyoubigdummy on June 19, 2009 at 10:06 PM
I agree. The Dems even run a slight chance of losing control of the House if the GOP gets its act together and Obama continues to govern as a Saul Alinsky Marxist.
Double-digit unemployment nationwide,
2 trillion dollar deficits BOTH of his first two years,
more ACORN shenanigans,
bullying behavior like the Walpin firing, etc.
troops still in Afghanistand and Iraq,
Tea Party Movement growing
I can see a GOP takeover of the House.
Sapwolf on June 19, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Don’t worry, according to JibJab “He’s Barack Obama” and he’s come to save the day and fix the USA: http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/hes_barack_obama
jonkk on June 19, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Good point.
The libs think that pouring more bourbon in the alcoholic will cure him of his drinking addiction.
The fact we have already been running Keynesian deficits plus high consumer debt to party down the last 20 years, and then freak out with Obama and triple down on stupidity has left his administration with some economic truths he cannot get around.
Epic fail coming. The GOP should be ready to purge, persuade, pounce.
Sapwolf on June 19, 2009 at 10:23 PM
I see the GOP right now like Chris Farley in Black Sheep, when he fell down that mountain and grabbed the twig, holding on for dear life, “oh please little twig, thank you. Thank you little, waaaaahhh!” down the mountain he goes.
I pray to God the GOP can take advantage of the Dem’s grinding gears. We better get our Shiite together before the mid-terms and put some damn balances in with Bambi’s checks.
Geronimo on June 19, 2009 at 10:32 PM
FWIW: Which Senators/elections are up in 2010? Add to the list. Sorry that I’m not better informed.
Ohio–Voinovich (R) is retiring; Rob Portman is the front-running R.
CT–Dodd (D): I surely hope the R running against him flushes him.
FL–Martinez (R) is retiring; I surely hope Rubio trounces Crist and then prevails in the General.
IL–Obama’s/Burris’s seat is up–I was raised in Illinois, and I can’t believe it is so Blue.
MN–I think the other senator, a Democratic woman is up for re-election; I’m not impressed, but I can’t figure out MN.
NV–Reid’s up for re-election, I believe; problem is that there doesn’t seem to be a strong R contender, right?
NH–is Gregg retiring in 2010?
PA–ah Specter; can he survive his Democratic problem? Can he beat Toomey?
Who else?
BuckeyeSam on June 19, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Answered prayers.
realitycheck on June 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Woot!
Maybe this would be a good time to try getting the U.S. on the metric system, or something?
cntrlfrk on June 20, 2009 at 12:18 AM
I am tired, grumpy and just not in the mood to read all the replies but from reading the headline I will say.
What a F’ing shame!
Give me some more good news like this and I will apologize to my significant other for my mood tonight
proudteadrinker on June 20, 2009 at 12:31 AM
Amazing what happens when your poll numbers hit a certain number.
1.6 trillion and millions left uninsured don’t help either.
B Man on June 20, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Health care, amnesty, climate legislation all in trouble? Well it could be worse. North Korea could be threatening war, Iran could be ready to crack, gasoline prices could be climbing, and unemployment could be 10-11%….oh….wait…
Ain’t reality grand ;)
Limerick on June 20, 2009 at 1:49 AM
Who else?
BuckeyeSam on June 19, 2009 at 11:02 PM
burr-NC he is in trouble…
unseen on June 20, 2009 at 3:18 AM
Exit question: To what extent will nutroots-fueled primary challenges to Blue Dogs next year strengthen the GOP’s hand? If they lash out and try to sabotage moderate Democrats by dragging them left, it gives us a sweet opening in purple districts.
Allahpundit
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To start with: The American people are literally unable to dissolve still more of a substance of all these issues and how they will affect our lives down the road. Too much damage has taken place already thru this control by the democrats. On top of that this Obama administrations agenda is anti-capitalist as it has proven (I will not sight them because you know what has transpired since 1/20/09) time and again.
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The extent of influence of the nutroots should not be marginalized in any way. As the definitions of evidence has been forthcoming of the americorp/acorn/moveon/Soros/chicago machines corruption and decay of our past as well as recent election fraud claims shall be proven axiomatic. The strength of the GOP’s hand is to speak to truth and be factual when ascertaining the numerous counts of corruption by the nutroots. We must put these charges out to the public metaphorically. These declarations need to be so that all will comprehend the meanings of these complicated and distructive messages simply in laymans terms so the average American can weigh in on those issues.
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As far as dragging the Blue Dogs left, if we stay on our message and remain steadfast to our principles and praise those Blue Dogs when they take the pro-americam/pro-capitalist positions, perhaps the those Blue Dogs will appreciate to be ackowledged by the GOP for doing the right thing. The GOP should applaud and give appreciation that they too believe in a positive pro-capitalist society. Who knows, maybe some of the Blue Dogs will switch parties themselves. That would be better than a to moving left. Reagan was a Blue Dog at one time and look how things worked out for him.
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In conclusion: The nutroots must be exposed to what they represent. Corrupt with the mindset to bring down our great country by making the U.S. a third world nation where they only seek the power to control our very lives by means of outright lawlessness.
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Thankyou Allahpundit for giving us this forum to communicate our ideas and concerns.
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Americannodash on June 20, 2009 at 3:21 AM
These Congressional Dems have to be getting worried about polls. Things simply aren’t going along with their rosy projections of a few months ago and more and more Americans are realizing that.
Dr. ZhivBlago on June 20, 2009 at 3:52 AM
Don’t underestimate the effect of Obama having to bail out CA and NY on Americans’ willingness to fund the rest of his domestic agenda.
JiangxiDad on June 20, 2009 at 7:04 AM
Kill me now
Squiggy on June 20, 2009 at 7:24 AM
It’s all moot. The country is dead. The debate now is what kind of funeral to have.
angryed on June 20, 2009 at 8:08 AM
Are you nuts? You are assuming a GOP that is organized around some sort of governing principles aside from just getting elected. Like maybe CONSERVATISM! Today’s GOP is no different than the democratic party! You won’t hear a peep out of them other than two who have courage. Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman from MN! The rest aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit!
sabbott on June 20, 2009 at 8:22 AM
I think the
ship has sailed. That may be the only thing that stops the bills that are the subject of this story.
darwin-t on June 20, 2009 at 8:50 AM
I always add the lazy turds who couldn’t be bothered to vote in the figure of people responsible for Ochimpy. What is that? 167 million? Roughly 3/4 of Americans voted for him or couldn’t be bothered to vote at all.
The stupidity and apathy is great with this country.
csdeven on June 20, 2009 at 9:30 AM
So, the toilet is backing up. Didn’t Odingleballs himself, after only a short time in orifice, say he was “rather good at being President”? The doofus didn’t even know what he didn’t know.
Didn’t the BO08 supporters claim Sarah Palin had too little executive experience to be even VP, yet the inherent wonderful wonderfulness of the Zero was more than enough to outweigh the fact that he hadn’t even ever held a single legitimate job? But didn’t Palin get the pipeline done: something that had stalled for decades?
During the Shrillary/BO08 contest, I often wondered whether I’d prefer the Crocodile Woman, who at least stood some small chance of being a bit pragmatic, or BO08, with his radical-left agenda. I think, in a way, we won with the BO08, because it’s starting to become apparent that he’s going to prove to be completely ineffectual, and may well be a “lame duck” from September on through to ‘12. With luck, he’ll completely poison the crap-and-trade, health care and amnesty initiatives for years to come.
mr.blacksheep on June 20, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Who else?
BuckeyeSam on June 19, 2009 at 11:02 PM
burr-NC he is in trouble…
unseen on June 20, 2009 at 3:18 AM
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Kit Bond in Missouri is retiring. Robin Carnahan has been making noise for the Dems. We have McCaskill who manages to embarrass herself with regularity.
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I have to believe that most of our countrymen and women are preparing to say “enough”. Loudly, and firmly. Tea Parties, calls, email, bumper stickers, and votes. Plant seeds of sanity and doubt where you can. We need everyone wake to confront this man made disaster of a president.
RalphyBoy on June 19, 2009 at 9:34 PM
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I agree. The Silent Majority are talking and organizing. ACORN will be in high gear registering Mickey Mouse. The Black Panthers will patrol polling sites with immunity. Holder has already given them a get out of jail free card. We have to be ready mentally and spiritually. Obama and his minions will not take this lying down.
MalindaH on June 20, 2009 at 9:44 AM
A new poll by NBC shows 76% people support a public option, so I stand by my own opinion that those who are thwarting it will be perplexed when voters don’t agree with them. These are the out-of-touch congresspeople, who have apparently convinced themselves that a tax credit is enough.
If they fail to pass it, I personally will work hard to insist that ALL gov’t employees, including Congress, have their benefits revised. Give THEM a tax credit, and then let them buy insurance.
That is only fair. And that is also going to get through.
AnninCA on June 20, 2009 at 9:59 AM
People support a “public option” when they think it means they could get something for free. Support for it dries up when they see the price tag.
mr.blacksheep on June 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM
NBC? BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!
No really, Ann, come on. Is this the best you can do? Back to troll school for you missy.
angryed on June 20, 2009 at 10:21 AM
I just looked at that poll…the question actually asks how important it is to have a choice between a public plan administered by the government and private insurance.
Also, more than 50% of the respondents are over the age of 50, and they only talked to 109 people – and they had to have cell phones as their only telephone.
Here’s the link if anyone’s interested…
ladyingray on June 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM
I mean, honestly, Ann…how can you take a poll seriously when the call is terminiated when the respondent doesn’t say “cell phone only” to the question, “Is a cell phone the only telephone you have, or do you have a landline as well?”
What kind of scientific survey is that?
ladyingray on June 20, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Maybe this would be a good time to try getting the U.S. on the metric system, or something?
cntrlfrk on June 20, 2009
A most excellent idea. Might be just the thing to remind complacent Americans that we are not yet Europe and we don’t wish to be. Rather than distract from Ogabe’s euro-socialization of the country, it will highlight it. That is, I’m sure, the point of your suggestion, yes?
SKYFOX on June 20, 2009 at 12:21 PM
We conservatives have had six years of our RINO politicians being in complete control and doing next to nothing to move the conservative agenda. Now the far left gets to watch it happen. There might be one good thing that comes out of this: the American populace demanding TERM LIMITS!
Christian Conservative on June 20, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Christian Conservative on June 20, 2009
Term limits will cause honest, effective and intelligent political leaders to be forced out of office just as they are gaining seniority and can do the most good. Since none of those leaders have existed for years, I’m all for term limits. If we can’t guarantee “good” politicians, at least we can limit the damage.
SKYFOX on June 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM
At long last, the absolutely worthless and corrupt Democrat Party’s complete, circus clown incompetence works out to benefit the American people.
Feed them to their foaming at the mouth, raving lunatic, far left base. It will make a great show.
NoDonkey on June 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM
All of this in the same week that Iran is starting to push sitself into a full blown civil war. Maybe someday Americans and Irans can hold hands as citizens of free countries.
Harpoon on June 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM
I got the poll name wrong. It was CBS.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/19/opinion/polls/main5098517.shtml?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel
Read for yourself.
AnninCA on June 21, 2009 at 11:06 AM
What needs to happen is a Libertarian revolution here in USA. Get rid of the USDA, DOC, ED, HHS, HUD, DOL, DOI, DOT, ATF, DEA, FED, Freddy and his buddy Mack, privatize SS and Medicare and wipe more than half the stupid laws off the books. Get rid of more than half federal judges and lawyers, Give power back to States, and make it mandatory congress go home and be citizen legislators not professional politicians who make stupid laws that make the rest of us suffer and them rich. Oh ya cut Federal taxes so top rate of 5%. And watch the country prosper. Private charity and States I’m sure would take care poor and teach them how to succeed. Right now it takes a lawyer to start a small business in USA. That is insane! GET THE DAM GOVERNMENT OFF OUR BACKS!!!
Ed Laskie on June 22, 2009 at 5:04 AM
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