Khamenei: Rigging? What rigging?
posted at 8:46 am on June 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Many of us wondered why the Iranian regime decided to rig the election so obviously that it would almost certainly result in an eruption of anger from the people of Iran and condemnation around the world. Today, Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei offered an answer to that question — and a warning to his subjects:
Iran’s supreme leader said Friday that the country’s disputed presidential vote had not been rigged, sternly warning protesters of a crackdown if they continue massive demonstrations demanding a new election.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei sided with hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and offered no concessions to the opposition. He effectively closed any chance for a new vote by calling the June 12 election an “absolute victory.”
The speech created a stark choice for candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi and his supporters: Drop their demands for a new vote or take to the streets again in blatant defiance of the man endowed with virtually limitless powers under Iran’s constitution. …
“If the difference was 100,000 or 500,000 or 1 million, well, one may say fraud could have happened. But how can one rig 11 million votes?” Khamenei asked during Friday prayers at Tehran University.
Well, that question has already been answered, which was that the results could have been pre-determined. The Guardian (UK) reported on Monday that the mullahs had sent the results to the polling stations ahead of the ballots, a nifty trick that allows any recount to substantiate itself. If that happened, then the wide gap would allow Khamenei to make exactly this argument — that no one could question a landslide result.
The ultimatum was not unexpected. Most people knew that the Friday prayers would be a line in the sand, although perhaps some held out hope for a more conciliatory approach from Khamenei. Instead, he doubled down on his infallibility, as well as his absolute power. In fact, Khamenei reminded his subjects where the real power lies:
He stressed that the four candidates were part of the country’s Islamic system and reminded listeners that Mousavi was prime minister of Iran when Khamenei was president in the 1980s.
“All of them belong to the system. It was a competition within the ruling system,” he said.
We have made this point a number of times, and it bears repeating once again: Mousavi was a candidate approved by the mullahs. He’s part of the “ruling system,” not a “governing system.” While he may have some stylistic differences with Ahmadinejad, Mousavi takes his orders from the same people as Ahmadinejad, which means that a Mousavi win would not make a tremendous difference in Iranian policy. Barack Obama was correct when he pointed this out earlier this week.
However, the people of Iran also clearly understand this. The crisis has moved beyond Mousavi, and Khamenei knows that. The people in the street may shout Mousavi’s name, but their protests have evolved into a protest against being ruled and not governed. Mousavi could choose to join that fight, or he could choose to remain within the ruling system, but the people on the street now may choose to fight absolute rule without him. Khamenei can’t back down without losing his conceit of infallibility in temporal matters, and if the Iranians refuse to return to the yoke of tyranny, then this will get ugly very, very quickly.
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It is beyond Moussavi. Old Moosy is part of the problem to. Another father of the Islamic revolution, and if I do recall, one of the original founders of Hizb’allah.
He’s a subtitle to this larger event
blatantblue on June 19, 2009 at 8:50 AM
totoo**blatantblue on June 19, 2009 at 8:50 AM
Damn I want Barry to choke on his pretzel. We could have gotten rid of the Mullahcracy in Tehran!
promachus on June 19, 2009 at 8:51 AM
No rigging? OK, sounds good enough for me. Everybody go home, aight?
/obama
Red Cloud on June 19, 2009 at 8:51 AM
Mousavi has done a pretty good job of joining the fight so far. Perhaps he’s had a road-to-Damascus moment, as it were.
pifactorial on June 19, 2009 at 8:52 AM
Well, I’m sure his reasoning is good enough for the rubes at the State Department and our own, dear, dope of a president.
When can we start the sleepovers, I mean the negotiations?
NoDonkey on June 19, 2009 at 8:52 AM
ACORN’s gonna invite this guy over to give seminars before the midterms…
jon1979 on June 19, 2009 at 8:53 AM
It is a good thing Obama kept silent, or the opposition would really be screwed.
Mr. Joe on June 19, 2009 at 8:54 AM
Obooba’s betting on the mullahs: win or lose, he loses.
Awesomiscious.
Akzed on June 19, 2009 at 8:56 AM
Which is why it is time for the filthy liar in the White House to stand up and act like a President for a change. The filthy liar in the White House was correct to not weigh in on the issue at the beginning of the week but now that a movement is emerging that represents the promise of a new Iran, the bastard can’t remain in silent support of the Mullahs’ candidate. By measured statements of support, Obama needs to side with the protestors seeking to be free- even if it costs him his photo-op meeting with one of the world’s most repressive regimes.
highhopes on June 19, 2009 at 8:56 AM
Michelle is reporting that
“U.S. Congressman Mike Pence (R-Ind.), Chairman of the House Republican Conference, and Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.), the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, have introduced a resolution that goes where the President fears to tread: explicit support for the Iranian dissidents.”
Pianobuff on June 19, 2009 at 8:56 AM
Let’s stay focused on the bigger picture here…. the mad mullahs and their useful idiots are rapidly becoming the dinosaurs. The people have awakened in Iran and are beginning to flex the muscles of liberty. Many will die shortly, mostly women and children, by the hands of the butchers who enforce the “infallible regime’s” wishes. We need to use all the electronic means necessary (Internet, Twitter, etc.) to make sure they know we stand with them, regardless of our impotent communist leaders in the U.S. politburo. We should also take notes on how we will eventually do the same thing.
HomeoftheBrave on June 19, 2009 at 8:57 AM
It will “get ugly” because now that the mullahs have drawn a line in the sand and made direct threats to their subjects, the Obama administration will sit back as quietly as they can until “order is restored.” He may even congratulate them on their “free and fair” election victory when all is said and done.
Tonus on June 19, 2009 at 8:57 AM
Hip hip hooray for things getting ugly very, very quickly. The worse it gets, the uglier and more bloody, the greater the chances that the Iranian people will decided to toss the Islamic clerics out on their collective asses and form a new nation not intent on developing nuclear weapons or attempting to destroy Israel or the United States.
doriangrey on June 19, 2009 at 8:59 AM
I get the feeling that not a lot of Islam feels that Obama is the Messiah. They don’t really give a rip what he does or says or does not say, unless of course he says something in support of Islam ruling the world. They will agree with anyone on that point.
MikeA on June 19, 2009 at 8:59 AM
Vote for the Islamist mullah puppet of your choice, but don’t fool yourselves into thinking this election is anything but a travesty.
Disturb the Universe on June 19, 2009 at 9:00 AM
Gee how could the Soviets get 99 percent of the vote of such a populous country. How could the ChiComs do it? Here’s at least one clue, the government printed nine million more ballots than there are people in the country, not just registered voters. I guess they had a good idea as to how to rig an eleven million vote difference as a fait accompli.
eaglewingz08 on June 19, 2009 at 9:00 AM
To your last point…. I suspect that the grassroots use of Twitter, Facebook, et. al. has not gone unnoticed by ruling classes around the globe.
I wonder if it makes them nervous.
Pianobuff on June 19, 2009 at 9:00 AM
AROR
MNMikeA on June 19, 2009 at 9:02 AM
This election rigging, especially since it didn’t matter to the mad mullahs anyway which weasel won (they were all approved by the mullahs) was foolish and stupid, since it basically revealed to the people that this whole “islamic republic” business is a sham (and no, Mr spell checker, I don’t capitalize islam on purpose).
Basically the younger generation sees this as their LAST chance to stop the madness. It’s out of the bottle now, only a ChiCom style massacre is going to end this.
Iran is a peculiar case. I personally know Iranians, and have learned a lot about it. Iranians by and large aren’t radicals. In fact, they are VERY western in their attitudes, especially the younger ones, quite the opposite of most islamic countries. It’s the old guard and the government which are radical.
This is why it’s criminal that Obama won’t even provide token support to the protesters. I guess it has something to do with his muslim roots.
wildcat84 on June 19, 2009 at 9:02 AM
Does obama see the Mullah’s as true muslims?
the_nile on June 19, 2009 at 9:02 AM
Dang!
A
RCORNMikeA on June 19, 2009 at 9:02 AM
In his short time in office, Obama has already demonstrated himself to be an empty suit, interested in nothing more than shameless self-promotion and in paying off Democrat donors.
The only people this isn’t blindingly apparent to, are our idiot media and a small percentage of true believers and the latter category is dwindling every day.
NoDonkey on June 19, 2009 at 9:02 AM
Twitter reports coming out that Basijs are en route to Rafsanjani’s residence…….
Pianobuff on June 19, 2009 at 9:03 AM
I also saw a report that protesters are singing a secular national anthem in use during the Shah era, but since outlawed.
Pianobuff on June 19, 2009 at 9:05 AM
Fox is reporting that the UN is beating Obama out of the gate with a condemning statement. The friggin’ UN is showing more leadership than the US. Can you believe it?
Pianobuff on June 19, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Oh, I dunno…by lying maybe…
ladyingray on June 19, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Wouldn’t it be cool if Obama sent Carter to certify the election results and the protesters took him hostage for 444 days?
Disturb the Universe on June 19, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Islam knows Obama is just a tool for vested interests in our country, nothing more, nothing less. They have more than their share of eunuch puppets so he is still on amateur status with most of them. We, on the other hand, have been dumbed down to where we feed at the fullest trough presented. Willful ignorance is not leadership.
volsense on June 19, 2009 at 9:07 AM
President Obama has important things to do, don’t you know the puppy needs to be housebroken?
Also, ACORN needs a few more billion in taxpayer dollars to get them through the weekend. They’re having an “I won” party.
NoDonkey on June 19, 2009 at 9:07 AM
It is hard but it can be done if you have enough community organizers.
MikeA on June 19, 2009 at 9:08 AM
I’m not sure that it should be called a travesty anytime repressed people stand up for something different than more oppression. As Ed pointed out, this movement is out ahead of merely changing the figurehead at the top of the status quo.
If you want to talk about travesty and elections, try Minn. and the fact that those incompetent clowns have yet to decide a Senate race that was run nearly 8 months ago.
highhopes on June 19, 2009 at 9:08 AM
As Shakespeare says maybe Mousavi is having greatness thrust upon him. I doubt this is what he envisioned when he signed up to run. It will take a true hero to continue the current course.
Cindy Munford on June 19, 2009 at 9:09 AM
It does. Why do you think the government keeps throwing every sort of internet censorship bill at the wall hoping something will stick that will allow them to ration internet speech the way they can radio and TV station licenses? There was an absolute PANIC in Washington when the Internet got popular in the mid 90’s.
Thankfully, so far, none of the “for the children” (of course) attempts at censorship have passed court review. But, let statists like Obama appoint enough judges, and that ends.
There isn’t any way to “control” the internet that doesn’t involve basically disconnecting the whole country from it. Not even the ChiComs have been able to control it, and they’ve tried harder than anyone.
wildcat84 on June 19, 2009 at 9:09 AM
What a wonderful dream.
MikeA on June 19, 2009 at 9:09 AM
Not if they ultimately give him back.
highhopes on June 19, 2009 at 9:09 AM
Party pooper
MikeA on June 19, 2009 at 9:10 AM
you know when ever we have a sh*t stain for a precedent iran really starts acting up, jimmeh/obobbi i’m just say’in…
SHARPTOOTH on June 19, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Hmmmmmmmmm….
40 million hand written ballots counted in four and a half hours.
Anyone who believes that wears tin-foil underware, or jackboots.
Limerick on June 19, 2009 at 9:11 AM
Pretty much. One thing I found very fascinating was the reaction my Iranian friend had to our invasion of Iraq… He was angry about it. He wanted us to invade IRAN instead…
wildcat84 on June 19, 2009 at 9:12 AM
It will take true heroism by many ordinary Iranians to pull any sort of a change off. Mousavi may be the rallying point but this issue is going to be decided on the streets of Iran, not in statements from the Mullahs. I’d say the odds are against the protestors but I’m also somewhat optimistic that this isn’t going to stop anytime soon.
highhopes on June 19, 2009 at 9:13 AM
Exactly. Anyone stupid enough to seize Carter, should pay US for taking him back.
NoDonkey on June 19, 2009 at 9:13 AM
Quite right. Our pols. change their positions at the drop of a dime. Moose is a pol. He’d prob. be in favor of gay marriage if it lets him get the power. My best guess, he’s a lib :)
JiangxiDad on June 19, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Best of luck to the Iranian protesters.
Mullahocracy delende est!
rbj on June 19, 2009 at 9:15 AM
Yeah, your post isn’t the first I’ve heard of that.
“When will the Americans come here?“
B Man on June 19, 2009 at 9:15 AM
I heard that today’s the day when Obama finally takes action in this Iranian crisis. He’s going to petition the UN to draft a resolution against Irael.
Daggett on June 19, 2009 at 9:17 AM
+s (Israel)
Daggett on June 19, 2009 at 9:18 AM
I’m hearing that Gordon Brown has recalled the Iranian ambassador since Khameini’s speech.
Pianobuff on June 19, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Unfortunately a rebellion like this succeeds only when the number of people willing to die exceeds the number of bullets that can be fired at them.
But there are cracks appearing everywhere in the mullacracy though, they may be losing control of the army and the elite guards.
Something similar would happen in the US if someone like Obama ever actually attempted to assert direct, “imperial” control, no way in hell any attempt to send our military after US civilians doesn’t end in mass mutiny. That’s why I think authoritarians have been “militarizing” the police over the years (as we saw at Waco and Ruby Ridge, “law enforcement” has no problem opening up the guns on women and children), and Obama wants to create a “civilian defense corps” which will be brownshirts.
wildcat84 on June 19, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Why? Was he defective?
Daggett on June 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM
I’ve been following a handful of Iranian’s on Twitter and so far, everything they’ve said has come to pass, so I feel pretty confident that they’re the real deal. According to them, they’re going to be crossing that line Saturday.
They’re also reporting that Rafsanjani’s sons have been arrested and that several wives of prominent members have been arrested as well.
Here’s some links if you wish to follow:
http://twitter.com/oxfordgirl
http://twitter.com/NextRevolution
http://twitter.com/persiankiwi
moonsbreath on June 19, 2009 at 9:20 AM
As a couple of people have noted, a big question here is Mousavi. Is he really just another tool of the mullahs?
Michael Ledeen had a good point about this yesterday. Before the election, Mousavi was clearly just another mullah-approved candidate. But the situation has changed, dramatically. He’s now the central figure in a huge and growing rebellion that may–may–bring down the Islamic Republic.
There would be some delicious irony in watching Iran be brought down by a former true believer and founder of Hezbollah.
But as yet, we don’t know if Mousavi’s had a road-to-Damascus moment or not. It may not matter; the uprising could well be much bigger than him. If he doesn’t want to lead it, someone else will.
tsj017 on June 19, 2009 at 9:21 AM
Khemenai told Mousavi that he either attend today’s prayer meeting or he would be exiled. Mousavi didn’t show up.
JP
Limerick on June 19, 2009 at 9:21 AM
Mousavi should just blame it on Microsoft Outlook, that’s what I always do when I ditch some useless meeting.
NoDonkey on June 19, 2009 at 9:23 AM
Where can I get a hat like that?
Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 9:24 AM
Brown’s come out against the mullah’s now huh?
Maybe people have given up on waiting for O to say something.
B Man on June 19, 2009 at 9:25 AM
I’m thinking that there must be some sort of idealism there. If it was just about power, he would go back to designing mosques and teaching art students. Khamenei basically accused him of treason this morning.
Illinidiva on June 19, 2009 at 9:25 AM
The protesters are already heroes in my book, if it stops today they will spend the rest of their lives under suspicion, looking over their shoulders. Mousavi would seem to have more choices. Especially after the speech recognized him as just another member of the “inside” of the power structure. And then you have to think about if the protesters go forward. If this were to grow and by chance succeed, do we think our current administration would know how to step in and protect a fledgling country?
Cindy Munford on June 19, 2009 at 9:25 AM
Last year’s events in Georgia should have been a signal. POTUS is a bit like Barney Fife… last one to the crime scene fumbling to find his bullet.
Pianobuff on June 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM
That’s because he knew it was an empty threat or a demand he deliver himself to be arrested. Mousavi is a rallying point at this moment and to exile him would merely add fuel to the fire not quell the protests.
highhopes on June 19, 2009 at 9:28 AM
Damn, this is getting HUGE.
Every twitter post I read makes me more ashamed that Obama is president.
And every person on tv who says he’s been doing the right thing is wrong. I don’t care who they are.
B Man on June 19, 2009 at 9:28 AM
they will be hanged from the yardarms.
Loxodonta on June 19, 2009 at 9:28 AM
Apparently, the UK is now the Great Satan, which just confirms my belief that rogue actors see Obama as a wimp. Hopefully, our friends in Old and New Europe follow suit. It is especially important for places like the Czech Republic, Poland, etc. to be symbolically supporting the protesters now.
Illinidiva on June 19, 2009 at 9:29 AM
And like Nero, Obama continues to fiddle.
rplat on June 19, 2009 at 9:30 AM
Last year’s events in Georgia should have been a signal. POTUS is a bit like Barney Fife… last one to the crime scene fumbling to find his bullet.
Pianobuff on June 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM
.
He had 300 advisors for that one scenario.
Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 9:31 AM
And he still sounded absolutely clue-less about the middle east.
B Man on June 19, 2009 at 9:32 AM
Sheriff Joe is looking like Edgar Cayce with his “Obama will be tested” line.
Pianobuff on June 19, 2009 at 9:32 AM
That’s unfair to Barney Fife. At least Barney was trying to do good, and usually managed it despite his own ineptness.
Obama is inept and malicious.
wildcat84 on June 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM
And now only 6% of Israelis see him as being pro-Israel.
Pianobuff on June 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM
With Iraq out of Saddam’s hands and Iran potentially poised to topple its theocracy, this is Obama’s chance to build a legacy by furthering the stability in a sensitive geopolitical region. Sadly, this administration would not do anything despite the opportunity to bring about substantive change out of volitility.
highhopes on June 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM
Unconfirmed reports : Rev. Guard being modilised to secure Tehran.
There will be blood.
B Man on June 19, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Hey, Barry, looks like your pals in the EU just past you on the back stretch.
Limerick on June 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Might as well kill him then.
JiangxiDad on June 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Coulda had something to do with the whole ‘Iran should have nuclear power’ thing. Just a wild guess here..
B Man on June 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Maybe if Bambi hears that the Republican Guard is shooting the protestors, he’ll swing into action.
“Finally, a chance to drop a daisy cutter on Dick Cheney!”
NoDonkey on June 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM
***palm to face**** —passed
Limerick on June 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM
No, he’d instead use it to club Israel like a baby seal.
So far that’s the only discernible Middle East policy of Obama, is that he’s anti-Israel. The irony is that Iran could end up being less anti-Israel than the US.
wildcat84 on June 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM
We talking about a man who thinks he has a unique perspective on the inside of the Middle East because he went to elementary school in Indonesia. I hope those folks aren’t counting on our administration.
Cindy Munford on June 19, 2009 at 9:37 AM
It’s high time we differentiate between Barry’s allies, and America’s allies, between Barry’s foreign policy, and America’s foreign policy.
Barry is losing support of the American people on issue after issue.
JiangxiDad on June 19, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Time to pray for the Iranian government, Iranian people, justice from an oppresive and corrupt government and finally peace.
shick on June 19, 2009 at 9:37 AM
These mullahs, and every dictator know the condition of enslaving humanity. I believe it is related to a condition called Stockholm Syndrome and the protestors have an instinctual desire to be free of it. How else can you explain so many people allowing themselves to be brainwashed?
fourdeucer on June 19, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Supposedly 5 commanders refused and have been arrested (also unconfirmed).
Pianobuff on June 19, 2009 at 9:38 AM
We= We are or We’re. Sorry.
Cindy Munford on June 19, 2009 at 9:38 AM
I think it’s hilarious that even people like Bill O’Reilly are trying to spin this as something Obama is doing (or not doing) on purpose because he’s a smart guy.
Daggett on June 19, 2009 at 9:38 AM
They don’t see him as a whimp, they see him as a strong ally. Why wouldn’t they. The misguided cluelessness that comes from a President whose only foreign policy experience comes out of a college course is winning over the world’s dictators. Obama refuses to speak up for those fighting for freedom. He is falling into the traps laid by North Korea. He is being duped by the Castro Regime. He shares laughs with Hugo Chavez. Under Obama, American policy does not lend support to “malcontents” who would protest rigged elections.
highhopes on June 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM
Bill’s still under the illusion that Obama will give him another interview.
Pianobuff on June 19, 2009 at 9:40 AM
There ya go! I’ve been trying to say the same thing! Obarfa’s concern re. Iraq is how it affects Israel–in a negative way.
JiangxiDad on June 19, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Kissinger was on Greta and he said “even tho I supported McCain” he thought what Obama was saying (or not saying) was right.
B Man on June 19, 2009 at 9:40 AM
I don’t think so. The corrupt heart of man tends to lean more in the direction of grabbing power rather than serving his people. It is likely that if he does get power he will do what he can to keep it. And then we may see another demonstration.
shick on June 19, 2009 at 9:40 AM
That’s right. It’s also why Jimmy Carter should be considered a dirty dog for sitting back and letting that nation fall into Islamic dark ages. Millions have suffered for decades because simple peanut farmer didn’t want to meddle in Iranian affairs. Now, we are at another crossroads in Persian/Islamic history, and we have another simpleton in the White House who won’t even offer encouragement to those in revolt because of his own ego.
What really makes me sick is that our men have fought and died in Iraq to bring democracy to that nation. I’ve never really supported our “invasion” of Iraq, but I’ve always seen the potential for it being a catalyst for democracy in the Middle East. We are saddled with a president who has balked at being a catalyst.
Where’s the hope and change?
I’m tired of Obama’s empty words. He whistles like a big purple lipped canary.
Ampleforth on June 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM
The EU could use this crisis to regain some long-lost credibility on foreign affairs. Good.
I loathe the EU, but not as much as I despise Ogabe.
Sarkozy is more of a man than Ogabe could ever be.
PimFortuynsGhost on June 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM
This is shaping up to be a repeat of the events that led to the Iranian Revolution. The Shah did the very same thing in order to prop up his regime. Next step will be the arrests of prominent figures.
highhopes on June 19, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Just for fun, wouldn’t it be possible to drop the senile peanut-farmer in the middle of a pro-democracy protest in Tehran?
PimFortuynsGhost on June 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Funny thing. Many of the people who are busy pointing out the fact that all of the candidates are choosen by the ruling council, and how this makes the election meaningless, prior to the fall of the Soviet Union, pointed to the free and fair elections in Moscow.
Despite the fact that all of the candidates that ran had to be approved by the rulers of the Communist Party first.
MarkTheGreat on June 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM
What crisis can Barry/Axelrod engineer to take pressure off of Khameinei and Andy? Barry is prob. calling Kim now to fire off the damn missile already!
JiangxiDad on June 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM
All malicious men believe they are doing what is best for others. Especially tyrannts. The real difference between Barney Fife and Obama is not intent but recognition of ones imperfections.
A tyrannt always knows what’s best.
shick on June 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM
I wish someone would ask Barry who MLK would support.
JiangxiDad on June 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM
CNN (kaff*hak) reports that not just Mousavi didn’t attend….Rafsanjani was absent also.
Limerick on June 19, 2009 at 9:48 AM
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