Mousavi spokesman to Obama: Stop saying that we’re no different from Ahmadinejad

posted at 10:19 pm on June 18, 2009 by Allahpundit

Via the Standard, “external spokesman” Mohsen Makhmalbaf sounds off. In a week marked mostly by deafening silence from the White House, it’s astounding that The One still somehow managed to offend the great hope of the Iranian freedom movement. Note to Barry: If a guy’s supporters are known for chanting “Death to the dictator” about Ahmadinejad, there are probably a few pertinent differences between the two.

FP: There has been growing criticism here in Washington that U.S. President Barack Obama hasn’t said or done enough to support those demonstrating in the streets of Iran. Do you think Obama is being too careful? Or even that he is helping Ahmadinejad by being cautious?

MM: Obama has said that there is no difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi. Does he like it himself [when someone is] saying that there is no difference between Obama and [George W.] Bush? Ahmadinejad is the Bush of Iran. And Mousavi is the Obama of Iran…

FP: Would Mousavi be willing to accept some sort of power-sharing arrangement? Say, Ahmadinejad remains as president but Mousavi becomes prime minister once again?

MM: This is not a solution, because people do not want Ahmadinejad at any level. He is so illiterate that — the millions of people in the street — he called them trash. And now, people are telling him: You are trash.

FP: Does Mousavi have a message that he’d like to deliver to the international community?

MM: [He asks] that the governments [of the world] pay attention to the people in the streets and do not recognize the government of Ahmadinejad as the representative of Iran — [that they] do not recognize the government of Ahmadinejad as a legitimate government. Iran is a very important country in the region, and the changes in Iran could have an influence everywhere. So as a result, it’s not only an internal matter — it’s an international problem. If Iran could be a democratic Islamic country, that would be a pattern, a role model, for other Islamic countries. And even if Iran has a terrorist image [today], it would be a model for other countries [in the future].

Elsewhere in the interview, he claims that Iranians don’t want nuclear weapons, which may or may not be true in light of recent polling. Exit question: How much of this is serious and how much hot air aimed at winning western support in the short term? The only way Mousavi would have latitude to abandon the nuke program in exchange for lifting all economic sanctions is if the regime comes fully apart at the seams, with the fundamentalist element — including the Revolutionary Guard — largely liquidated. How likely is that?


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I never cared much for BDS on the left and I think I find ODS on the left even more distasteful, since we are supposed to be the grownups. O has made very clear statements in support of the rights of Iranians to dissent and be free from repression. That expanded support for supporting Iranian freedom struggles that Bush put in place? O has continued those policies.

I have no problem with O speaking carefully and in a measured way on this. Taking sides in what is an internal matter for Iran would not further US interests and frankly thats what O gets paid to worry about. In fact, a bunch of ham handed rhetoric now likely hurts the Iranian reformist cause more than it helps. People like Lugar and Kissinger agree with that viewpoint.

It is ODS to carp on the administration when they say their is no difference between mammer jammer and Mousavi. Like all the candidates, Mousavi is a revolution insider, has supported terror abroad and did not run on a platform to shut down the nuke program. If he comes to power and does something different, thats one thing, but his record is no basis for the One to regard him as any different than mamer jammer. Sometimes its better for the US to play it smart. O is burning the damn economy down but his handling of this deal in Iran so far is prudent.

Political Season on June 19, 2009 at 12:55 AM

I never cared much for BDS on the left and I think I find ODS on the left even more distasteful, since we are supposed to be the grownups. O has made very clear statements in support of the rights of Iranians to dissent and be free from repression. That expanded support for supporting Iranian freedom struggles that Bush put in place? O has continued those policies.

No ODS here at all…just the facts. Deal.

AUINSC on June 19, 2009 at 12:57 AM

O has made very clear statements in support of the rights of Iranians to dissent have nuclear technology and be free from [American] repression.

Political Season on June 19, 2009 at 12:55 AM

Yes … we all heard his Cairo speech.

progressoverpeace on June 19, 2009 at 12:59 AM

And Mousavi is the Obama of Iran…

Oh, ok.

kahall on June 19, 2009 at 1:07 AM

My mother taught me that if you try to please everybody, you will please nobody.

It’s looking like Obama never learned that lesson.

PattyJ on June 19, 2009 at 1:13 AM

It is ODS to carp on the administration when they say their is no difference between mammer jammer and Mousavi. Like all the candidates, Mousavi is a revolution insider, has supported terror abroad and did not run on a platform to shut down the nuke program. If he comes to power and does something different, thats one thing, but his record is no basis for the One to regard him as any different than mamer jammer. Sometimes its better for the US to play it smart. O is burning the damn economy down but his handling of this deal in Iran so far is prudent.

Political Season on June 19, 2009 at 12:55 AM

That’s not it at all. My ODS stems from Obama not speaking out to the PEOPLE of Iran, who’s right to vote were denied. I never expected the US to choose the leader; but we should (and always have been) on the side of democracy and FREEDOM.

TN Mom on June 19, 2009 at 1:18 AM

This guy is having a pretty Shi’ite-y two weeks

blatantblue on June 18, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Obama has had a Shi’ite life. Has hand is on the toilet handle and he is ready to flush America down the crapper.

izoneguy on June 19, 2009 at 1:22 AM

My mother taught me that if you try to please everybody, you will please nobody.

It’s looking like Obama never learned that lesson.

That’s because all he’s ever done is vote “present”.

The Monster on June 19, 2009 at 1:22 AM

I never expected the US to choose the leader; but we should (and always have been) on the side of democracy and FREEDOM.

TN Mom on June 19, 2009 at 1:18 AM

A majority of nubes voted for Obama and he is not on the side of democracy and FREEDOM for America. Why would he give a crap about some crazy Iranians???

izoneguy on June 19, 2009 at 1:24 AM

The posture of Obama in this current scenario reminds me of former president Woodrow Wilson foreign policy. Obama must be re-reading those books on neutrality again. Maybe Wilson’s pre-WWI policies should be reviewed again by journalist for similarities of Obama stances because we all know delays made by Wilson not nipping it in the bud later came back to bite him and caused the American involvement in a world war. Where if he had committed early on to say some strong rhetoric at the very minimum it might have reduced it and all that came after that. One thing you can say is that history has the tendacy of repeating itself. Hope there isn’t any high ranking foreigner driving around town with their top down. I mean the poo could really hit the fan.

Americannodash on June 19, 2009 at 1:27 AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569350/Iran-gives-IAEA-nuclear-weapon-blueprints.html
I thin’ mebbe they do want nukes…

Army Brat on June 19, 2009 at 1:28 AM

C’mon give the man a break. He did vote ‘present’ on this situation…not like he’s done nothing.

If we’re allowed a new president he or she will have to go around the world apologizing for this one.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 19, 2009 at 1:28 AM

It is ODS to carp on the administration when they say their is no difference between mammer jammer and Mousavi.

The Precedent has yet to apologize to AMERICA for having tried to smugly instruct us that Achmadinejad and friends were suc h decent, rational people that we needed to sit down at talks with them, unconditionally, and that they had a RIGHT to nuclear technology. I’m still waiting for the idiot messiah’s apology TO ME and the rest of America for having gone on with that stupidity for so long.

Like all the candidates, Mousavi [B. Hussein] is a revolution insider, has supported terror [domestically, with his pal Bill Ayers and] abroad [in his funding of Hamas to the tune of almost a billion dollars] and did not run on a platform to shut down the [Iran's] nuke program. If he comes to power and does something different, thats one thing, but his record is no basis for the One to regard him [B. Hussein] as any different than mamer jammer.

Political Season on June 19, 2009 at 12:55 AM

Yep.

progressoverpeace on June 19, 2009 at 1:30 AM

O has made very clear statements in support of the rights of Iranians to dissent and be free from repression.

Political Season on June 19, 2009 at 12:55 AM

Au contraire. His words have been most tepid. Little more than the equivalent of “have a nice day”, as if he is very conflicted and is trying to say just the bare minimum to cover his rear. Fortunately, for him, metaphorically speaking, he does not have to say enough to also cover Michelle’s ample rear.

MB4 on June 19, 2009 at 1:30 AM

As far as ODS goes, I’ve always tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I don’t want to believe all the bad stuff people say about him.
I think he’s extraordinarily naive, but I’ve never been an ODS type of guy.

But at a certain point, you gotta connect the dots; you listen to what he’s said in the past about Iran, and how he will reshape the country using talks with no preconditions…his comments about nuclear power…the country is such a little country…it goes on to include this situation. These are facts.
He doesn’t want to give moral support to the protestors b/c he doesn’t know who will win? How weak is that?
He doesn’t know what kind of a leader Mousavi might be?

Well, that’s life Mr. President. There are no definates, no absolutes.
You see people wanting what they call freedom, and you say almost nothing.
All these comments about him being “smart”. Give me a break. That’s like saying it’s smart not to drive at all because you might get into a crash tomorrow.

If it turned out bad at least he put his beliefs on the line. No one (ceratinly not me) should fault him for that.

B Man on June 19, 2009 at 1:40 AM

Blake on June 18, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Excuse me, but I am very much old enough to remember all of what happened.

Dude, you need to not lob those bombs at everyone. That was a bit over generalized don’t you think?

I for one want to know if this is all about Mousavi, or is this more about an objection to the mullahs? I am hearing they are more for removing the mullahs, but that rebellion today was as Mousavi asked. Is this just a vehicle to eventually get around Mousavi, and end up with Rafsanjani? Does anyone really know what the hell is going on over there? And more importantly, how are these people going to end up tomorrow, or Saturday? Alive or dead?

I am all for revenge for our military, and I am soooo not about forgetting about these scumbags, but Israel is about to explode. I am of the opinion that it could be good for Israel if Imadinnerjacket was back on the scene. It would go over a whole lot better for Israel if the nut was back, and taking orders from the mad mullahs. Who could blame Israel if they nuked Iran then? But then there are those people in the streets. They are not so keen on having him back.

To quote the Manchild, “on the other hand”, these kids and people in the streets are not the same as in 1979. They have had 30 years of what their moronic parents thought would be a grand way to live. Turns out, it was not so grand. And these are Persians. To fully understand all this we would have to think like those people in the streets, NOT Mousavi.

On a separate line of thought regarding really bad people, politics is global. We do deals with some bad people. Putin and hu Jintao are not exactly lilly white when it comes to contributing to the deaths of Americans, and American soldiers. Dittos to King Hussein of Jordan, but we still deal with all of them. There are thousands of American citizens who have been killed by others like Mousavi. Thousands. We do not live in a perfect world, and justice is not always found.

freeus on June 19, 2009 at 1:45 AM

I think it’s true that Mousavi is almost beside the point now, too.

This is for all the marbles. It’s about regime change.
Not about who the mullahs will use as their puppet which is all dinnerjacket-mousavi is.
I don’t pretend to know what’s what, but they seem to be disobeying every figure of authority over there now.
Mousavi would be the puppet of the mullahs and he’s not playing ball right now.

Seems like the kids are sick of everyone. Mousavi is just the symbol.

B Man on June 19, 2009 at 1:56 AM

I can’t wait to see the ‘RESET’ button that Shrillary jets over to Tehran with, eventually. That should be a real doozy. I hope that the geniuses over at State know that they speak Farsi in Iran, not Farcical.

As soon as the Iranians calm down over there (or are put down), I don’t see hwy they wouldn’t decide to talk to The Precedent, to divert attention from everything and snap up some immediate “international legitimacy”. After all, The Precedent is offering them legitmacy, free. They can hold him to everything he said in Cairo, and more … Yep.

progressoverpeace on June 19, 2009 at 2:05 AM

Someone needs to explain to Obama how the whole carrot / stick thing works. When the horse does something good- carrot. When it does something bad- stick.

Obama has it backwards. Iran (and other countries) who bite and buck, he gives a carrot. The protesters who threaten the regime and call for a more moderate country- he whacks with a stick by comparing Mousavi to Ahmadinejad.

Hollowpoint on June 19, 2009 at 3:13 AM

Mousavi is the Obama of Iran

That’s supposed to be a selling point?

ExPat on June 19, 2009 at 3:41 AM

Mousavi was Khomeini’s chosen front man and had Ahmadinejad’s job when the Nuclear program was in it’s infancy. Sorry… but he’s only a more polished version of same same.

DANEgerus on June 19, 2009 at 4:29 AM

That’s not it at all. My ODS stems from Obama not speaking out to the PEOPLE of Iran, who’s right to vote were denied. I never expected the US to choose the leader; but we should (and always have been) on the side of democracy and FREEDOM.

TN Mom on June 19, 2009 at 1:18 AM

Are you out of your mind? When you say “we” what Country are you referring to? The U.S. has been overturning democracies and backing mass murdering dictators in Latin America and other parts of the world for decades.

greggish on June 19, 2009 at 4:35 AM

That’s not it at all. My ODS stems from Obama not speaking out to the PEOPLE of Iran, who’s right to vote were denied. I never expected the US to choose the leader; but we should (and always have been) on the side of democracy and FREEDOM.

TN Mom on June 19, 2009 at 1:18 AM

Are you out of your mind? When you say “we” what Country are you referring to? The U.S. has been overturning democracies and backing mass murdering dictators in Latin America and other parts of the world for decades.

greggish on June 19, 2009 at 4:35 AM

Why expect ANY Democrat to care about free elections. By free we’re talking honest. Elections CAN’T be hionest in this country thanks to ACORN,the Democrats friend,so why expect DEMS to support it elsewhere.

Jeff from WI on June 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM

Here’s Henry Kissinger’s take on Obama’s approach:

KISSINGER: Well, you know, I was a McCain supporter and — but I think the president has handled this well. Anything that the United States says that puts us totally behind one of the contenders, behind Mousavi, would be a handicap for that person. And I think it’s the proper position to take that the people of Iran have to make that decision.

Of course, we have to state our fundamental convictions of freedom of speech, free elections, and I don’t see how President Obama could say less than he has, and even that is considered intolerable meddling. He has, after all, carefully stayed away from saying things that seem to support one side or the other. And I think it was the right thing to do because public support for the opposition would only be used by the — by Ahmadinejad — if I can ever learn his name properly — against Mousavi.

M_Laveau on June 19, 2009 at 6:37 AM

Theres no doubt that the US has always stood for democracy and supported freedom seekers . Until now that is.Strong words of support would very likely give momentum to the People of Iran. I can`t say if this man is better than Ahmadinjad but the Iranians seem to think he might bring them a little closer to freedom. I hate to say it but this Pres appears even more naive than Carter . No wonder NK is pushing all our buttons. Talk about drive a person to drink.

LSUMama on June 19, 2009 at 6:52 AM

Theres no doubt that the US has always stood for democracy and supported freedom seekers.

You simply don’t know the history of the U.S. The U.S. has overthrown numerous Democracies.

greggish on June 19, 2009 at 7:06 AM

I never cared much for BDS on the left and I think I find ODS on the left even more distasteful, since we are supposed to be the grownups. O has made very clear statements in support of the rights of Iranians to dissent and be free from repression. That expanded support for supporting Iranian freedom struggles that Bush put in place? O has continued those policies.

Clear? Positive? Continue? He was silent for days, and when he did speak it was weak-knee and so ambiguous that no one was quite sure he really meant it. If he means it, let him come up with something that really sounds like he means it.

Noelie on June 19, 2009 at 7:18 AM

greggish on June 19, 2009 at 7:06 AM

I`m guessing you totally support the Presidents appology tour also.

LSUMama on June 19, 2009 at 7:20 AM

Reinstall the Shah, his son that is. That was the last time that country was normal. Unfortunately, the illustrious intellectual Jimmuh Cahtah supported the mullahs to oust the Shah as they were to be kinder to Soviet spies. The Shah was doing a bit more than water boarding to get info out of KGB, and Cahtah took offense…Why are Democrats so naive, and actually stupid? Must be the rose colored glasses……Jimmuh always was, continues to be, and will always be a complete idiot……

adamsmith on June 19, 2009 at 7:20 AM

Our Zero is a Nero, not a Hero.

Have no Fear-O; say a Cheer-O.

ABC-O, NBC-0, CBS-O tell us so.

Make it so, Mr. O.

Oh-oh.

EMD on June 19, 2009 at 7:27 AM

EMD on June 19, 2009 at 7:27 AM

I just choked on my coffee but that was funny. Thanks LMAO

LSUMama on June 19, 2009 at 7:35 AM

It is ODS to carp on the administration when they say their is no difference between mammer jammer and Mousavi. Like all the candidates, Mousavi is a revolution insider, has supported terror abroad and did not run on a platform to shut down the nuke program.
Political Season on June 19, 2009 at 12:55 AM

See, Obama and Mousavi have so much in common. The filthy liar in the White House is a revolution insider too, only in this country the revolutionaries seeking to overthrow America call themselves community organizers. Mousavi supported terror abroad and some of Obama’s best friends are cop-killing domestic terrorists. Further, Obama is seeking to weaken America’s nuclear deterrence stance by negotiating away or edge in upcoming talks with Russia. I’d say if Mousavi is looking for somebody that hates America and is willing to attack it without question he has no greater ally in the fight than Barak Hussein Obama.

highhopes on June 19, 2009 at 7:53 AM

adamsmith on June 19, 2009 at 7:20 AM

Let’s not engage in revisionism here. Things in Iran may have been stable and more Westernized under the Shah but his was also a repressive regime not a democracy. And for that matter, Iran was pretty damned stable under Saddam Hussein, so much so that Saddam got 100% of the vote in his last election before being overthrown.

Both examples are cautionary tales about what is happening in this country. I truly believe that our nation is under the iron fist of a dictator in the making. He has installed unelected thugs at all the key points in government and is just itching to find an excuse to declare martial law and take over the nation entirely.

highhopes on June 19, 2009 at 7:59 AM

highhopes on June 19, 2009 at 7:59 AM

Yup. And congress is just sitting there and letting it happen.

LSUMama on June 19, 2009 at 8:04 AM

This must be so frustrating for his camp. He does nothing and gets accused of doing too much. He might as well go out and fight and accept the bruises. He’s going to get beaten up anyway.

shick on June 19, 2009 at 8:18 AM

telepromters have no backbone. So much for human rights and womens rights. When the going gets tough, the tough get going says Mousavi to the Messiah or as Moses would say ” let my people go” you spineless teleprompter

bluegrass on June 19, 2009 at 8:21 AM

At this rate, by 2012, there won’t be a bed left in this country that Obama hasn’t crapped in.

Hopelessly out of his element, this corrupt, incompetent dope Obama needs to be removed from office before he completely destroys our country.

NoDonkey on June 19, 2009 at 8:27 AM

Hopelessly out of his element, this corrupt, incompetent dope Obama needs to be removed from office before he completely destroys our country.

NoDonkey on June 19, 2009 at 8:27 AM

Not going to happen. The Dems control Congress and Pelsoi would never allow the impeachment hearings to start the process to remove him from office. The only ways that Obama would be ousted are that he opts to resign (which, of course, is unrealistic since the man loves the trappings of office far too much to willingly vacate the job) or popular uprising so strident and universal that there is no choice but to resign or get impeached.

Our nation is in for some rough times ahead because Obama’s actions are falling apart. We spent trillions in the name of economic stimulus and yet there is nothing to indicate that all that spending has created or saved even one job. Obama has yet to deal with a foreign issue without completely and totally botching it and he is also beginning to ramp up an assault on traditional values as his legitimization of gay benefits for federal workers this week indicates.

By 2012, Obama will either be the most reviled President since Jimmy Carter or we will be under the iron fist of a dictator and unable to express any discontent with the bastard’s actions. There is no third option.

highhopes on June 19, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Ahmadinejad is the Bush of Iran. And Mousavi is the Obama of Iran…

Go Bush!

If Iran could be a democratic Islamic country, that would be a pattern, a role model, for other Islamic countries.

No it wouldn’t be. You cannot have an “Islamic Democracy” anymore than you can have a “Christian Democracy”.

Iran HAS an Islamic Democracy now. It sucks.

HondaV65 on June 19, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Obama didn’t say that. Let’s be realistic. He never said there was no difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi.

Constant Parrhesia on June 19, 2009 at 8:53 AM

The Dems control Congress and Pelsoi would never allow the impeachment hearings to start the process to remove him from office.

Correct, which is why Republicans need to take back the House in 2010.

By then, impeaching Bambi might be the only issue they need to run on.

NoDonkey on June 19, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Correct, which is why Republicans need to take back the House in 2010.

By then, impeaching Bambi might be the only issue they need to run on.

NoDonkey on June 19, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Oh! I hope not. The GOP needs to get back on its traditional message of social and fiscal conservatism (even if it means that the RINOS have to find a new home). They need to be running on undoing the grave damage inflicted on this nation by a run amok Democrat Congress and a petty tyrant in the White House. They need to be running on the issues and not making the mid-term elections all about Obama. That plays into the Dems hands who will make charges of racism out of any attack on the filthy liar in the White House.

highhopes on June 19, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Maybe I will have to reconsider my support of the protesters now that the foreign minister of Mousavi is comparing Amamadjihadi to Bush and Mousavi to Obama. The worst thing we could do is put another Obama in place in the world.

eaglewingz08 on June 19, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Here’s the quote from Obama:

It’s important to understand that although there is amazing ferment taking place in Iran, the difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi, in terms of their actual policies, may not be as great as has been advertised. Either way we were going to be dealing with an Iranian regime that has historically been hostile to the United States, that has caused problems in the neighborhood and is pursuing nuclear weapons.

M_Laveau on June 19, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Mousavi is different? He’s not new and fresh, he’s been there before. He wsa the PM in Iran and ordered the execution of over 7000 people after his election. And you thought Chicago politics was tough.

Kissmygrits on June 19, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Pres Bush had it right. Start the fire of freedom/democracy (Iraq) and it will spread – I wonder if Obama will somehow try to take the credit because of his Cairo speech. I have heard already that some are saying this. As if one speech from him changed it all rather than the long haul Bush implemented. Can he be so narcissistic that he can believe that he is responsible for people standing up for freedom? Yes, I suppose he can. Democracy in Iraq is why this is happening. Iranians want some.

NJ Red on June 19, 2009 at 10:33 AM

By then, impeaching Bambi might be the only issue they need to run on.

NoDonkey on June 19, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Worked so well for the Dems..

Reaps on June 19, 2009 at 11:11 AM

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