Video: Under fire, Iranian protesters storm Basij complex; Rumor: Revolutionary Guard deployed?
posted at 4:49 pm on June 17, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Two clips, the first the assault on the Basij and the second from god knows where, to illustrate how much this already looks like a war. There’s nothing to be gained strategically by an unarmed mob attacking a single paramilitary station — except, of course, the pure, sweet justice that comes with revenge in the name of thousands of innocents these brownshirts have tormented for decades. Imagine the hate you’d have to feel to try to break into a building where men with machine guns are waiting for you. As a great man once said, if this be treason, make the most of it.
Don’t be fooled by the Iranian media blackout into thinking the protests are dwindling, either. Quite the contrary, as this new YouTube clip proves. In fact, the blackout isn’t even being enforced: Robert Fisk, to his credit, is on the streets of Tehran talking to the wounded and watching the confrontations. Even so, as inspiring as it all is, I can’t figure out how the movement could conceivably overthrow the real power in Iran, the Revolutionary Guard. Getting rid of Khamenei is easy and potentially even legal if Rafsanjani can round up enough mullah movers and shakers. Once he’s out, a new election could be ordered and Ahmadinejad would go too. But what about the Guard? They control … everything, basically:
This hostility overflowed during the 2005 presidential race, with the defeat of former President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a cleric widely considered corrupt, by Mr. Ahmadinejad, a former officer in the Revolutionary Guards.
In Mr. Ahmadinejad, the public saw a man who repudiated the profligacy of the clerical class, a man who was ascetic, humble and devout. And he capitalized on that image to consolidate power and to promote his brothers in arms. Fourteen of the 21 cabinet ministers he has appointed are former members of the guards or its associated paramilitary, the Basij. Several, including Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar, are veterans of notorious units thought to have supported terrorist operations in the 1980s.
This creeping militarization has not been restricted to the central government: provincial governors, press commissars, film directors, intelligence officers and business leaders are increasingly former members of the guard. The elite force controls much of the economy either directly — the Basij has rights to oil extraction — or through proxy companies like Khatam al Anbiya, which dominates construction throughout Iran.
So powerful is the Guard that an Iranian expert writing at TNR speculates that if Khamenei is forced to call them out to suppress the protests, they might just remove him themselves and rule the country by Islamic military dictatorship a la Pakistan. How do the protesters deal with that? Their only hope is that the Iranian military (which is separate from, and parallel to, the IRGC) would side with them — which would mean an all-out civil war between the country’s two military pillars, with the nuclear program in Revolutionary Guard control speeding ahead. What could go wrong?
Curiously, Amir Taheri claims that the Guard has thus far refused orders to mobilize against the protesters, which makes no sense if they’re looking for an opportunity to expand their power within the regime. Either Taheri’s wrong or the IRGC is biding its time in hopes that the protests will dissipate or a new Supreme Leader will be installed and things can go back to normal. Exit question: If the Guard takes control or Iran ends up in civil war, what does The One do? He’ll have no one left to negotiate with.
Update: If I’m willing to post gossip plucked from Twitter, I guess I’m willing to post Debkafile items too. Big grain of salt:
Wednesday afternoon, June 17, armored convoys of Revolutionary Guard forces began rolling into Tehran from three directions to prevent supporters of the opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi assembling on the fifth day after the disputed presidential election, DEBKAfile’s Iranian sources report.
Special IRGC forces and police units are being flown in. Hundreds of opposition activities have been arrested, including some economic experts who criticized president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s policies in recent months, after three reformist politicians, including a former Vice President and adviser to former president Mohammed Khatami, were detained Tuesday…
DEBKAfile’s Iranian sources report the confrontation between the regime and Iran’s protest movement is closer than ever to a bloody climax. Thursday, June 18, may be critical. This will depend on Mousavi proving able to call up masses of supporters in the face of ominous signs that large military forces are assembling in Tehran to shoot them down.
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State Dept calls this a debate.
lorien1973 on June 17, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Unreal..
blatantblue on June 17, 2009 at 4:52 PM
This cup of trembling is about to spill over.
I don’t use this term lightly, but….this is getting Biblical.
Psst. Allah. Please find a faith. =)
portlandon on June 17, 2009 at 4:55 PM
I’m certain nobody has told Iran yet that Obama won. Once that word gets out, everyone will settle down.
jennifernaz on June 17, 2009 at 4:57 PM
My knowledge on this is slim, but is it possible that they might side with the protesters or would that jeopardize a main goal they have?
Or I guess my question is why would the Iran military be more likely to side with them?
Esthier on June 17, 2009 at 4:57 PM
He didn’t have anyone to negotiate with before, either. They were never going to negotiate, and he was never going to do anything to force them to comply. It all rests on Israel, in my opinion. It’s ironic that, even though the U.S. abandoned them, they’ll indirectly end up saving our cookies if they do the right thing and take out Iran’s nuke site(s).
aero on June 17, 2009 at 4:58 PM
It may be good to die for a just cause but to die stupidly is worthless…these protesters should be arming themselves for self defense.
CMonster on June 17, 2009 at 5:00 PM
This isn’t just about Mousavi.
This is way beyond the particular issue of this election and electoral theft…
SteveMG on June 17, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I’m trying to keep track of who’s who, but I thought Ahamdinejad represented the Guard. Isn’t the Guard who Obama is tacitly supporting?
JiangxiDad on June 17, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Sort of makes me wonder if some Iraqis would like to return the favor, and export a few guns and IEDs into Iran…
Ragspierre on June 17, 2009 at 5:01 PM
If I remember correctly, the human wave is an actual Iranian military tactic, used successfully when Iran fought Iraq. Guess no one ever suspected it could be used against the Iranian government.
huchahucha on June 17, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Take out the nukes site.
the_nile on June 17, 2009 at 5:02 PM
it’s gonna get worse.
they are kicking the foreign media out for a reason.
homesickamerican on June 17, 2009 at 5:02 PM
I’m surprised not much has been made of the Iranian soccer players wearing green armbands before their match today in South Korea.
That seems (to this uneducated observer) like it would be something like a watershed moment.
YYZ on June 17, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Dinnerjacket loves fishsticks
CMonster on June 17, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Just why has Iran reportedly stopped doing that btw? They must have made a deal with BArry. Now barry owes them.
JiangxiDad on June 17, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Yeah…I fear it’s going to be really bad…
ladyingray on June 17, 2009 at 5:03 PM
I wonder how long before the ONE realizes he has no one left
to APologize too.????
http://www.veteranoutrage.com
veteranoutrage on June 17, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Big tip of the old hat to you on this one Allah. Nothing says ‘got your back’ like frak the monsters.
Limerick on June 17, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Either ask for or look the other way as Putin’s tanks roll in from Georgia.
Editor on June 17, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Half the population under 30 , they know there’s freedom in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It would be great if Obama could replicate the peaceful fall of the Berlin wall.
the_nile on June 17, 2009 at 5:06 PM
What would this be like if the Persians had as many guns as it seems the Iraqis have? I know the Persians are attempting to keep it peaceful, but those guns surely would have come in a true purpose of the 1st amendment sort of way.
WashJeff on June 17, 2009 at 5:06 PM
FIFY
Rogue on June 17, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Apologize for killing the fly, then offer to negotiate without preconditions with the insect kingdom, promising to respect their historic culture and contributions to the world.
trubble on June 17, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Many courageous people acted and some lost their lives. There are millions more behind those who have already fallen, willing to carry the torch in the name of freedom. They will not be stopped, they have too much heart. I hope if this country is ever in a similar situation we would all be so brave.
DontTaseMeBro on June 17, 2009 at 5:09 PM
I’d put a CONTENT WARNING on the first video. that’s a mortal wound near the end, and a lot of blood for the average viewer.
DrW on June 17, 2009 at 5:09 PM
This isn’t just about
MousaviObama.This is way beyond the particular issue of this election and electoral
theftfraud…SteveMG on June 17, 2009 at 5:00 PM
What goes around comes around
izoneguy on June 17, 2009 at 5:09 PM
AnninCA to tell us that she supports Obama and attempts to steer this to a health care debate in 5…4…3…2…
GunRunner on June 17, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Shocking… Robert Fisk and the New York Times and BBC doing real reporting. Who would have thunk it??
As for conclusion of this, I think that the best we can hope for is that Rafsanjani kicks Khamenei out of power, and Khamenei and Dinner Jacket go bye-bye. This would not be a complete overthrow of the gov’t, but frankly Mousavi and Rafsanjani might have spotty and unpleasant histories, but they’re much easier for the U.S. to deal with than a religious fanatic and known Holocaust denier. It’s like negotiating with Gorbachev instead of Al Qaeda. Also, whatever happens, the genie is really out of the bag and Iranian revolution is basically over. Thank God for massive blundering on the part of Khamenei and Dinner Coat.
Illinidiva on June 17, 2009 at 5:10 PM
fisk will find a way to blame bush somehow. just wait…
homesickamerican on June 17, 2009 at 5:11 PM
I’ve received more info here in Fort Worth from the BBC then from ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX. We are Ted Baxter.
Limerick on June 17, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Looks like that , the armbands cant get unnoticed.
the_nile on June 17, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Governments don’t want witnesses to mass murder. How many tens of thousands of deaths will it take to crush the Iranian people into submission?
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Update: Dinnerjacket is trapped in a closet in Russia with Putin
CMonster on June 17, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Taheri might be right. There is an element of the IRGC that sees the mullahocracy as detrimental to their objectives of getting filthy rich, and normalization may help. The IRGC is incredibly complex–not all of them are community organizers like the Basij.
PimFortuynsGhost on June 17, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Revolution please
jp on June 17, 2009 at 5:14 PM
The BBC is also doing excellent reporting on Iran. All the British reporters still seem to be on the ground there.
Illinidiva on June 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Half the population under 30 , they know there’s freedom in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It would be great if Obama could replicate the peaceful fall of the Berlin wall.
the_nile on June 17, 2009 at 5:06 PM
I am sure that this was GWB’s plan. Too bad Obama can’t deal with this crisis. He doesn’t know what to do and Hillary sure doesn’t. It is amazing to see Democrat thought or lack of it in a crisis. We are stuck with the glittering jewels of liberalism in all the high places of government.
The living quarters of the WH cannot be a good place to be these days. There’s got to be a lot of angst there. The last week and a half have shown that things are beginning to crumble on domestic and international fronts.
BetseyRoss on June 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Not surprising. The BBC may suck, but it puts our state-run media (esp. NPR/PBS) to shame.
PimFortuynsGhost on June 17, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Damn. Won’t be the first time he’s sided against Liberty pro-Russian authoritarians.
5:03 “They, them” Obama owes the Iranian government.
5:01 Export guns to the Iranian revolutionaries?
maverick muse on June 17, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Great question that I hope we don’t have to answer. I’ve no illusions that the ‘holligans’ aren’t Islamist. I’ve also no illusions that the ruling party are made up of suicidal maniacs. I’ll take the hard line over the nutjobs any day of the week.
Limerick on June 17, 2009 at 5:16 PM
And how does all of that affect Obama? My guess has been that Obama and the Iranians made a deal. Iran gets the bomb. Obama gets to use Iran to diminish/destroy Israel, Iran promises to cease hostile acts in Iraq and Afghan, and help to destroy the Taliban. Ahamd is obama’s proxy in the ME. They are allies. That’s why he isn’t coming out strong in support of the protesters.
JiangxiDad on June 17, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Quite a lively debate goin on there. Maybe we will have such a lively debate here soon?
Neo on June 17, 2009 at 5:16 PM
People of Iran: No 2nd amendment, huh? Think you could use one?
kurtzz3 on June 17, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Maybe they realize that someone has got to do it, since Bush is gone and the US media is no longer interested.
BigD on June 17, 2009 at 5:17 PM
God help them.
If they can just get their hands on some guns…brave men and women of Iran, freedom loving people around the world pray for you.
Sadly, the current President of the country that should be squarely in your corner right now is not one of them.
SuperCool on June 17, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Lox,how many trolls does the banning of lizza and final cut leave us with?
McBride on June 17, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Ha. The guy can’t even replicate a halfway decent statement expressing even vague support for people struggling to throw off an oppressive government.
Now, ask Obama to swat a fly, and you’re in business. That, he can handle.
aero on June 17, 2009 at 5:20 PM
BetseyRoss on June 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Hillary just had dinner with all the living former Secretaries of State (except Hague) @ Albright’s home. She can’t claim not to know what to do. She bragged as the POTUS candidate that she had the international experience, more credentials than anyone else, having been Bill’s wife, that she could handle the crisis calls no matter when they are made.
She must be a coward and that’s her only excuse, a non-excuse for a leader.
maverick muse on June 17, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Meanwhile, as this was being written, a joyfully energized electorate was awaiting the results of a vigorously contested election for President of the Islamic Republic of Iran. No matter who wins—the jingoist-populist-obscurantist incumbent, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, or his comparatively moderate main opponent, Mir-Hossein Mousavi—ultimate power will continue to rest with the “supreme leader,” Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and his council of unaccountable theocrats, who kept liberal challengers off the ballot. But Iran is not a completely closed society. Change is in the Tehran air, and the American President’s openness is part of it.
Hendrik Herzberg
from this week’s gag-inducing New Yorker piece , entitled “The Obama Effect”
ha!
max1 on June 17, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Bomb Israel and order round-ups of conservatives in America.
Why do you ask?
progressoverpeace on June 17, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Just who is going to threaten/pressure/destroy Israel if Obama doesn’t have Ahmadinejad? There’s a reason for his lack of support for the protesters that goes beyond being incompetent or weak or confused.
JiangxiDad on June 17, 2009 at 5:23 PM
can’t we all just community organize?
jcrue on June 17, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Many courageous people acted and some lost their lives. There are millions more behind those who have already fallen, willing to carry the torch in the name of freedom. They will not be stopped, they have too much heart. I hope if this country is ever in a similar situation we would all be so brave.
DontTaseMeBro on June 17, 2009 at 5:09 PM
I hope if this country is ever in a similar situation we would all be so brave.
If Obummer keeps pushing we will be right there as well
izoneguy on June 17, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Later…..3:30 am and at work at 4 has this monster hating, Bible clinging, Texan with gunpowder, falling asleep at the mouse. I don’t want innocent citizens hurt because I can’t control the mouse.
Three cheers to chaos in Dinnerjacket’s inner circle. Three cheers to those who want him trussed up in the square.
Later…
Limerick on June 17, 2009 at 5:24 PM
And so it begins!
LSUMama on June 17, 2009 at 5:24 PM
LOL. That made my day!
yubley on June 17, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Sadly, that makes sense.
maverick muse on June 17, 2009 at 5:25 PM
I want to scream when I hear people say the president is smart and eloquent. He is neither and the only thing is doing for this situation is creating a void. Most unhelpful.
Cindy Munford on June 17, 2009 at 5:25 PM
To be honest, this is exactly how Iran fought in the Iran-Iraq war. The only difference is that Iran used junior high students for that, instead of college students.
progressoverpeace on June 17, 2009 at 5:27 PM
How long before arms start flowing in from Iraq?
TheBigOldDog on June 17, 2009 at 5:28 PM
Thank you and Hot Air staff. That leaves 20 known active and 14 on my Watch List, but there are probably more.
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 5:28 PM
Praying for the protesters, and reminded why the 2nd Amendment is necessary!
Fallen Sparrow on June 17, 2009 at 5:28 PM
I don’t understand the general reaction here. Nobody really knows who the good guys are in Iran, if there are any at all. And everyone assumes Obama is essentially silent because he’s a fool waiting to test the wind. Yet some things aren’t adding up, but sooner or later they will. Obama’s designs for the ME must be affecting his response. To think otherwise may be to fall into a trap. I don’t think he should be underestimated when it comes to carrying out his agenda.
JiangxiDad on June 17, 2009 at 5:30 PM
This is what America will look like when Obama gets his ass trounced in the next election.
His losing thug constituency will burn their own towns to the ground. Sort of like an NBC championship celebration. But a lot worse.
It’s why Obama is funneling billions to ACORN to steal the next election.
roninacreage on June 17, 2009 at 5:32 PM
NBC=NBA
roninacreage on June 17, 2009 at 5:32 PM
While The One ponders and waits, the revolution starts without him.
He is making the same dumb mistake ON PURPOSE as Carter: staying aloof which allows all the bad guys to vie for power in this power vacuum. The next Supreme Leader could be much, much worse.
PattyJ on June 17, 2009 at 5:33 PM
I remember how much I hated Iran during Carters Presidency.
Watching what is happening over there now, I can’t believe it, but I am cheering them on!
Such bravery and I think I should have been hating the regime and not the people.
ArmyAunt on June 17, 2009 at 5:33 PM
That’s what worries us.
the_nile on June 17, 2009 at 5:34 PM
then at least consider the possibility that Obama is in cahoots with Ahamad on some level.
JiangxiDad on June 17, 2009 at 5:35 PM
She must be a coward and that’s her only excuse, a non-excuse for a leader.
maverick muse on June 17, 2009 at 5:21 PM
To be fair there are many things you could say about Hillary but cowardly isnt one of them. After all during the campaign she was tougher on the Won than McCain.
LSUMama on June 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM
It isn’t just the young revolutionaries who will be slaughtered by their theocracy or their military for insurrection or some sin, it will be their entire families.
God help them to be wise as they attempt to improve their lives and their world. God help them with strength to persevere and triumph somehow. God help them with friends.
Of all times for the US to extend an olive branch with the people of Iran, it is NOW. President Obama is not the only American. Where is the GOP on Iran? Michael Steele or any prominent party leader could come out with a very positive message from the heart of America, EMPATHY not Obama’s antipathy for human rights.
maverick muse on June 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM
This is a very Western perspective. Frankly, I don’t get the surprise. You have to remember what cultures suicide bombers come from. The suicide bomber is not just a specific tactic, but a manifestation of a general feature of islamic culture. This is why they cannot, under any circumstances at all, be allowed to have nukes. I would have thought that Saddam’s intentional dumping of 40,000,000 barrels of oil into the gulf and lighting of just about every Kuwaiti oil well on fire would have clued people in, but I guess not. Scorched Earth, in its fullest form, is what islamic culture espouses. Let this be a lesson.
progressoverpeace on June 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Lizza was banned? For what? And what was up with Final Cut?
Blake on June 17, 2009 at 5:38 PM
The same way cancer kills a body.
blink on June 17, 2009 at 5:38 PM
The question isn’t what Obama wants for Iran, it’s what Obama want from Iran?
JiangxiDad on June 17, 2009 at 5:38 PM
I feel like fedexing a few pallets of guns and ammo to those defenseless people.
feedercattle on June 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Should things go further “south” here in CONUS, we should expect to hear similar words from Obama and his Homeland Security director.
BottomLine5 on June 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM
I’m not sure this is the reason, but Lizza used a variant of the n-word earlier this afternoon.
jazz_piano on June 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM
They were banned? When? And what happened?
Esthier on June 17, 2009 at 5:42 PM
LSUMama on June 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM
On Iran and human rights, you defend Hillary’s courage based upon McCain’s lack of gumption?
Hillary would claw anyone’s eyes out to get what she wants. But when it comes to human rights, she would burn women and children to death in Texas and destroy all evidence and support fabricated propaganda as the “official” story before giving them fair representation and a just trial.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has an obligation to the President of the United States, to give him her best advice. Evidently, she does not have the intestinal fortitude to uphold human rights. She never did. She never will. Nothing brave about that. Self serving, yes.
maverick muse on June 17, 2009 at 5:43 PM
I had no problems with Final Cut.
progressoverpeace on June 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM
So far, I have not yet seen evidence that this is a revolution FOR Liberty, but a vengeful one against the current tyrants. Has anyone seen or read anything that might suggest otherwise?
So, even if the revolution can somehow succeed, I have very little hope of Iran becoming a nation that will protect the rights and liberties of dissenters at home, let alone the rights of Israelis, Americans and others abroad. Yet, even after the winds, earthquakes and fires of this revolt are over, I still have that smallest of hopes that enough Iranian people will listen to tiny whispering voice in the silence, and choose Liberty instead of a new tyranny. Now matter how small it is, I am still holding on to that hope in my prayers.
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Imagine how their coreligionist brothers in Iraq feel…. The pipeline is about to start flowing in the other direction I bet…
TheBigOldDog on June 17, 2009 at 5:45 PM
I suspect that Islam, except perhaps in very diluted form, is fundamentally incompatible with liberal democracy.
jazz_piano on June 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM
You can find out with a simple test. Drop Salman Rushdie in a crowd of protesters and see if he lives.
progressoverpeace on June 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM
He will do exactly what he has done so far in the other crisis that have occurred overseas….NOTHING aside from meaningless words.
JIMV on June 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Thanks. Scouting around, I think you are correct.
Blake on June 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Lizza said a derogatory slang word for an african american, and the final cut (The Wall/Roger Waters) was just being Itself.
portlandon on June 17, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Blame the failed policies of his predecessor, of course.
Haven’t you been keeping up, AP?
Good Lt on June 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM
This is a job for the US Army Special Forces. Specifically the 5th SFG. With the Iranians suddenly showing some courage to try to unseat their illegitimate government, this is prime time for SF operators from the 5th to cross the border and try rallying the forces to form a coherent insurgency, just like they did in Afghanistan. I’m sure they’ve already got some people they talk to in that country. Unfortunately, with Obama in office, their jobs will be a lot harder. He has no military instinct, no military experience, and seems very disinclined to unleash the full power of the American armed forces, so they can safely do their jobs. Obama’s just the kind of guy that would let a golden opportunity like this slip through his hands/piss it away, and allow the Iranians to reassert their oppressive government, murder everyone that so much as made a negative Twitter statement, and remain one of the biggest sponsors of terror in the world.
Virus-X on June 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM
maverick muse on June 17, 2009 at 5:43 PM
I1m not so much defending her its just shes never struck me as someone scared to act. Not my favorite person by a long shot . I can`t see her ever being effective in this position because of political fighting and her own agenda.
LSUMama on June 17, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Some way, somehow, the situation in Iran is due to “eight years of failed Bush-McCain policies.” /sarc
Bush will get blamed when North Korea attacks South Korea, too. He drove them to bellicosity when he included them in the ‘axis of evil.’ Or something.
jazz_piano on June 17, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Been saying this for three days. The key to all this is Rafsanjani.
And yes, this is going to get much, much worse because they are fired up now. They did not get the people back in the box fast enough.
Bringing in outside forces to fight against them is not going to anything but further agitate these people.
These youngsters have lived under what their parents put them under. They looked at Mousavi as a step to trying to begin a process. We know Mousavi is not much better than Imadinnerjacket, but look at it from an Iranian point of view. Radical extremists vs. extremist. But now, now they are going beyond Mousavi, and the election stealing was just the ant hill that got kicked over.
freeus on June 17, 2009 at 5:54 PM
I could never get beyond Final Cut’s stupid disclaimer. The people over at aoshq thought Palin Steel was The Wall.
Blake on June 17, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Iran was a Constitutional nation before the Islamic revolution pirated all authority over all people.
They have their own former Constitution they could rally around, and go the route with the Prime Minister government that Kermit Roosevelt sabotaged, pick up where they left off, knowing what they want to avoid repeating.
The Iran prior to the Islamic theocracy was very friendly with the West, you remember when.
Though a muzzled populace, the traditional ancient Christian civilization within Iran still co-exists with the Jews, the Persians, and with the Arab invader population in power, so I’ve heard told.
maverick muse on June 17, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Oh, and thanks, Ed!
Blake on June 17, 2009 at 5:55 PM
The banning occurred on the Pawlenty thread.
McBride on June 17, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Ed banned them and gives very important advice to all of us about quoting the ban-worthy posts in our own posts. Don’t do it.
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 5:56 PM
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