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By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Iranian cleric declares fatwa against Iranian regime

Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:28:12 +0000

[...] Last month, Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri called the Iranian elections “illegitimate” and advised the security forces not to “sell” their religion to a regime producing results that “no one in their right mind” would believe. Montazeri, who at one time had been considered the successor to Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini instead of current Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, has made his position even more clear. On his website, Montazeri has issued a fatwa against the regime that instructs faithful Muslims to oppose its authority (via TMV): “A regime that uses clubs, oppression, aggression against [the people's] rights, injustice, rigged elections, murder, arrests, and medieval or Stalin-era torture, [a regime that] gags and censors the press, obstructs the media, imprisons intellectuals and elected leaders on false allegations or forced confessions… – [such a regime] is despicable and has no religious merit… [...]

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Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:47:14 +0000

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By: Cybergeezer

Cybergeezer — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:43:04 +0000

Ya, but; “Illegitimate” in the koran means “What’s up wid dat! Don’t worry; Be happy”!

By: AMERICAN VETERAN

AMERICAN VETERAN — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:14:03 +0000

mankai on June 17, 2009 at 8:50 AM

ALL BOWINGbuttsnifferz are NUTJOBS

By: Friendly21

Friendly21 — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:05:29 +0000

True, as long as one omits the Muslim conquest of the Byzantine Roman Empire.

The Byzantium Empire finally fell in 1453, well a few settlements to the north called Trebizond lasted a couple of years after that. Persia was fully conqured long before the Byzantium Empire fell.

And Profitsbeard is right to say long live Persia, Persia has a great pre-Islamic history and many Iranians know that.
TrueBrit on June 17, 2009 at 10:49 AM

And never trust Wikipeda… :)

In fact, many of the Islamic “inventions and creativity” came from the Persian libraries they looted and burned – some works were saved and studdied – these ideas later were attributed to muslims, same for the zero and India.

By: MarkTheGreat

MarkTheGreat — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:41:32 +0000

Welesa’s goal was not the destruction of the Soviet Empire when he stood up to Jaruselki (very badly spelled) at Gdansk. But that was the result.

I’m not saying that Mousaki is in any way comparable to Welesa. I’m just saying that when the situation is intolerable, you never know where any instability will take you.

By: MarkTheGreat

MarkTheGreat — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:36:44 +0000

Some of you guys are starting to sound like liberals from the Cold War days.

Yes, the guy is a b@st@rd. That’s not the question.
The question is, is he a b@st@rd that we can work with.
The current guy has proven to be a b@st@rd that we can’t work with.

In the real world, you rarely get to choose between the good guy and the bad guy. But rather between a bad guy and a worse guy.

Jimmy Carter forced the Shah of Iran from office because he didn’t live up to our standards, and Khomeni was the result.

By: Baxter Greene

Baxter Greene — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:29:23 +0000

We can only hope that Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri has the same effect that Ayatollah Sistani did in Iraq when he backed a representative government.
I still think it was the biggest mistake Musab Al-Zarqawi made was to condemn Sistani in public,thus opening the door for Zarqawi to be given up and eventually killed.
It does not appear that Montazeri has the same power in Iran that Sistani does in Iraq,but it could grow as this movement gains steam.
When one side does start to gain momentum and look to be in the driver’s seat,then Obama will come out and make some grand statement.
Until then,he will be voting “Present” and sitting on the fence.
How noble.

By: MarkTheGreat

MarkTheGreat — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:20:30 +0000

Won’t a bloody regime change merely result in a “Meet the new boss…” scenario as far as the US is concerned?

mankai on June 17, 2009 at 8:50 AM

In chaos, all things are possible.

The previous status quo was unacceptable. The younger generation in Iran is much less religious than the group that runs the country now.

If the current regime falls, the new regime could be much better, or it could be about the same. It would be hard for it to be worse.

If the current regime survives, or if the new regime is similar to the current, much time and resources will have been spent on these uprisings.

By: dogsoldier

dogsoldier — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:57:36 +0000

Snowballs gather mass as they roll downhill. You can quote me on that. The protesters are heartened by success and encouragement.

By: RD

RD — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:36:00 +0000

Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Moussavi was an official candidate approved by the Supreme Council that Ayatollah Montazeri has said is iligitimate. And Ayatollah Montazeri also criticized Ayatollah Khomeini.

Therefore, there might be an opening for greater reform than just changing one terrorist for another.

Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 11:00 AM

+2 if this movement has legs.

Long Live Persia!

profitsbeard on June 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Hear, hear.

By: OxyCon

OxyCon — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:32:32 +0000

Careful what you wish for. Mousavi is both more ruthless and competant than Abudeenutjob.

By: TrueBrit

TrueBrit — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:30:44 +0000

Bluntly speaking this Mousavi is an enabler, his past record speaks for itself in terms of reform and change in Iran, however he is a pragmatist who was cheated by a fanatic. I do not think he is the right man, and the whole system needs to fall, by standing up to the fraud, he might set in motion real change…, we can only hope. In terms of Obamas reaction, in some ways because it is the reformists joining with the pragmatists then it is wise not to get them painted as being supported by uncle Sam, then the pragmatists might disengage. Obama is at least right in not seeing much difference between the two candidates. I would condemn the violence used against peaceful demonstrators and also also attack the fraud too which Obama has not the guts to do, because of his own ACORN…, illegal funding issues and questions over his real place of birth.

By: freeus

freeus — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:16:14 +0000

ProfessorMiao on June 17, 2009 at 9:26 AM

There is bad and there is worse. Sort of like there was McCain and there is Obama.

But this makes it look like in Iran there is a split in the RG and the mullahs. This means IF Imadinnerjacket comes back from Russia and IF he is fed up with this, he could get together with the head mullah and deaths could well escalate. If Obama and the world do not get behind making sure the election was legit, the violence could become horrific.

By: saiga

saiga — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:05:05 +0000

F*** Persia!

Blake on June 17, 2009 at 10:43 AM

No need, they always F*** themselves by having the government they diserve. Allies with Hitler in WWII. Floating on a pool of oil and they are broke.

Stupid is what stupid does.

By: PattyJ

PattyJ — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:03:12 +0000

Well, from what I read, Mousavi was out of public life for 20 years. Why? Was he against the revolution, now turned into a dictatorship? His wife sounds like a true reformer. We can hope. It’s worth a chance.

By: 44Magnum

44Magnum — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:02:58 +0000

Yea…. Now the Iranian on Iranian killing will get started in earnest. And best of all… Hezbollah is coming to help in the killing. In case you havent figured it out I’m still pissed off because Iran was sending weapons and fighters into Iraq to kill US military personal.

The protests in Iran are not over freedom, liberty or democracy, they are over which merciless ruthless murdering thug gets the right to nuke Israel. These protesters want someone with a proven track record, a man who killed 7000 student for opposing him when he was elected prime minister in 1981, who killed another 30,000 to please the Ayatollah and who founded Hezbollah for the express purpose of destroying Israel, not to mention the father of the Iranian nuclear weapons program.

doriangrey on June 17, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Cudos. In one post, you show me a silver lining (first bolded) to the whole Iran mess, and (second bolded) remind us all that these phukks are frothing murder bent crazies.

Shadenfreud on the first bolded, and public service reminder on the second bolded.

Too many of the mind numbed masses forget that these “persians” have no real restraint on their desires to go whackjob. Nukes in their hands I think, is way worse than in the hands of the NORK Troll. At least that sawed off turd still has a fear of death. Not these goofballs.

By: Loxodonta

Loxodonta — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:00:05 +0000

Isn’t this Moussavi guy just another America-hating, pro-nuke, pro-Hamas, “Wipe Israel off the map,” revolutionary nutjob?

mankai on June 17, 2009 at 8:50 AM

And Moussavi was an official candidate approved by the Supreme Council that Ayatollah Montazeri has said is iligitimate. And Ayatollah Montazeri also criticized Ayatollah Khomeini.

Therefore, there might be an opening for greater reform than just changing one terrorist for another.

By: TrueBrit

TrueBrit — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:49:04 +0000

True, as long as one omits the Muslim conquest of the Byzantine Roman Empire.

The Byzantium Empire finally fell in 1453, well a few settlements to the north called Trebizond lasted a couple of years after that. Persia was fully conqured long before the Byzantium Empire fell.

And Profitsbeard is right to say long live Persia, Persia has a great pre-Islamic history and many Iranians know that.

By: Friendly21

Friendly21 — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:46:16 +0000

Yes, Mousavi was a supporter or the initiator of Iran’s nuclear program, but his goal was to harness the nuclear force for beneficial reasons…
MSGTAS on June 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Umm, sure. Mr. A is just following in Mr. M’s footsteps, so what’s the fuss? Hussein O. also has the best interests of the American people in mind, and He’s doing it all peacefully for the obvious beneficial reasons.

By: Blake

Blake — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:43:17 +0000

Anyone who criticised the happily-late Ayatollah Khomeini [I remember smiling when his corpse was knocked out of its coffin as his raving sycophants paraded it through the streets] is at least better than the current maniacs.

It reminded me of the end of Fellini’s Satyricon.

Khomeini was a total psycho killer, and his Achmadinejad-supporting spawn are just the poisonous fruit of a totally-diseased tree.

Who do you think was doing the actual killing? Mousavi.

Long Live Persia!

profitsbeard on June 17, 2009 at 10:20 AM

F*** Persia!

By: Friendly21

Friendly21 — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:41:01 +0000

The Iranians were the first major Empire to be forced into the Islamic fold…
TrueBrit on June 17, 2009 at 10:10 AM

True, as long as one omits the Muslim conquest of the Byzantine Roman Empire.

By: Blake

Blake — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:40:13 +0000

are = our

By: Blake

Blake — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:39:13 +0000

Isn’t this Moussavi guy just another America-hating, pro-nuke, pro-Hamas, “Wipe Israel off the map,” revolutionary nutjob?

mankai on June 17, 2009 at 8:50 AM

Worse. Obviously, it doesn’t seem to bother many people here, but this guy was behind the murder of 241 US Marines among others. He can burn in hell with his supporters.

At the time, they reported that the driver of the truck loaded with explosives driven into the barracks where are Marines slept, had a *smile* on his face. That was American’s first exposure to suicide bombers.