Dems retreating on healthcare

posted at 11:36 am on June 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

A $4 trillion price tag will certainly cause some politicians to hit reverse, as The Hill reports today on health care.  The ObamaCare proposals working through the House and Senate took big hits as the CBO released its calculations of the cost of the parts of the proposal that were complete.  Now Democrats have delayed releasing any more of the plan, apparently unwilling to immediately add to the cost projections:

Congressional Democrats and the White House are scrambling to regain their footing after a series of setbacks has stalled political momentum to reform the nation’s healthcare system. …

The Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee postponed the markup of its healthcare reform bill by one day, to Wednesday. On the eve of that markup, the powerful U.S. Chamber of Commerce publicly ripped the bill.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) initially planned to release his bill Wednesday, but he has pushed back his timetable because of cost estimate concerns.

“Will we have something out tomorrow? Not sure,” Baucus said Tuesday. “Thursday or probably Friday,” he added.

Perhaps more importantly, the unity that Democrats touted earlier this year has cracked. As conservatives lambaste Democrats, liberal healthcare groups are not rushing to their defense because so many questions about the legislation have not been answered.

Republicans have a great opening here, as the Democrats appear completely unprepared for the mammoth costs associated with ObamaCare.  The same lack of realization doomed the Clinton effort in 1993-4 as well.  The Democrats tried to impose a massive reorganization of the health-care industry on a nation that clearly didn’t want it, at a cost we were clearly not prepared to pay.  The end result?  A massive loss in Congress for the Democrats as the country made Clinton pay for his overreach.

Supposedly, all of the Hope and Change would make 2009 different from 1993, but so far, it looks like a replay.  Obama has outsourced the development of the plan to Congress, but it’s generating the same problems for the Democrats as it did before.  It would cost far too much, especially as deficits skyrocket from other Obama spending initiatives.  Baucus tried fighting back against the perception of expanding deficits, but in the process underscored the chaotic nature of Democratic efforts:

Baucus disputed speculation that his bill attracted a score of more than $1.5 trillion. “That reflects the policy of almost two weeks ago. It doesn’t reflect the savings that are also in the bill,” he said.

The “policy of almost two weeks ago”?  The CBO scored what it had in front of them.  If the policies have changed that radically in less than a fortnight, it reflects a flailing desperation that comes with the realization that the Democrats are repeating history, only with Congress playing the role of Hillary Clinton.  They have little clue as to the eventual composition of ObamaCare.  Instead of rationally building a reform bill, they’re reacting to the scandals of the costs and pinballing on policy.

The Republicans will have their reform proposal before the Democrats, thanks to the disarray on the Left.  That will prove embarrassing for an administration that supposedly put this as its highest priority.

Meanwhile, the Administration hasn’t been completely absent from the work on the bill — but their contribution may hurt more than it helps.  HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius tried explaining that a public plan would help competition, but obviously doesn’t understand markets or competition:

In an interview with The Associated Press, Sebelius said that President Barack Obama does not want to drive health insurers out of business, but make them more competitive by offering working families and small businesses the option of a public plan without the high overhead costs of marketing, administration and profits.

“I think there is a lot of understanding that the private market has really failed to provide affordable coverage to Americans,” Sebelius said. The industry has had “a lot of opportunities” to get rid of coverage restrictions and other unpopular policies, Sebelius said, and really “hasn’t served Americans very well.”

Sebelius apparently doesn’t understand that markets provide competition, and government stifles it.  This clueless statement assumes that the “private market” is a single entity rather than a series of competitors working in a government-regulated market, competing for customers.  If competition exists between the government and the “private market” as a monolithic entity, the government will prevail — which is exactly the argument Obama’s critics have made in casting the public option as a Trojan horse for single-payer nationalization.  This statement couldn’t be more idiotic if Joe Biden had said it.

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They really didn’t need to go through the trouble of a study to know what any taxpayer could have told them. But, I guess the effort keeps government workers employed.

obladioblada on June 17, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Hillary Clinton must be laughing her large butt off somewhere.

RobCon on June 17, 2009 at 11:40 AM

This is just negotiating

faraway on June 17, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Negotiating, my ass.
How do you negotiate costs in the trillions?

ORconservative on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Hopefully, they will not retreat. This is one issue that people consistently polled say they want to see.

I still say Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue.

AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Ann

There are options ASIDE from MORE government tom foolery that can help insure more people.

I’ll be uninsured come December

And it’s not uncle sams job to insure me.

blatantblue on June 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Does this mean the projected passing of ObamaCare on July 31st is now in jeopardy?

Or will they just pass the skeleton of something on July 31st so that they can spend all of August at home touting the “accomplishment”?

myrenovations on June 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Negotiating, my ass.
How do you negotiate costs in the trillions?

ORconservative on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Simple, you lie and have the MSM cover you.

javamartini on June 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM

We will have to wait until August to see how Obama will really re-act to this. Remember he said he wanted something before the summer recess. What will he do if they don’t have anything.

AzHamOp on June 17, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Retreat?

How hard can it be for the Democrats to just confiscate the Kaiser healthcare organization since that is what I am sure the ObamaCare plan is?

myrenovations on June 17, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Great, now the MSM whores will be trotting out myriad tales of woe about poor children and homeless war vets who can’t afford so much as a single aspirin tablet.

We are about to be inundated with video footage and front-page spreads about Evil Big Pharma stepping on the tumors and broken bones of the little people while the corporate executives vacation in Kauai.

Bishop on June 17, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Hopefully, they will not retreat. This is one issue that people consistently polled say they want to see.

I still say Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue.

AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

1. Show me the poll that says “i want to be forced to have government-run health care, rationing surgeries, and seeing governemtn banning smoking/transfats/cheetohs”

2. Please show me (be it canada or w. europe) ANY successful government run health care system in the world, given similar demographics & financials (ownership of businesses, etc)

battleoflepanto1571 on June 17, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Retreating on health care? This is hope I can believe in!

Mr. Joe on June 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM

AnninCA

P.S.

What do you think

Medicare
Medicaid
SChip
the federal Children’s insurance thing
V.A. system

do??? they are govt run health insurance RIGHT NOW.

please tell me which of these fine programs is:
A) better than a plan bought from your local bluecrossblueshield
B) financially solvent through 2030

battleoflepanto1571 on June 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM

A frequent critique of conservatives that has been bandied about recently is that they dwell far too much on the past, while the liberals look towards the future. But in this case, as in so many of them, it would behoove the Dems to look a little more at the past. They might actually gain an understanding of the country that they now govern. The unpalatable nature of insane health care plans just as much an opportunity today as it was in the 90′s, and I hope to see a strong effort on the Republican side to pound home the message that this is a costly decree from above that is in clear contradiction with the will of the people.

Roland on June 17, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Simple, you lie and have the MSM cover you.

javamartini on June 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Which they will be doing on the 24th, natch. Perfect timing, huh?

Tonus on June 17, 2009 at 11:49 AM

In an interview with The Associated Press, Sebelius said that President Barack Obama does not want to drive health insurers out of business, but make them more competitive by offering working families and small businesses the option of a public plan without the high overhead costs of marketing, administration and profits.

Just the higher cost and inefficiency of government bureaucracy.

Johan Klaus on June 17, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Hillary Clinton must be laughing her large butt off somewhere.

RobCon on June 17, 2009 at 11:40 AM

That’s good… she could stand to lose a few pounds…. Laughter is better than the Thigh Master… butt she needs a Hip Master….

Speaking of butts, anyone notice that the Royal Life must really be agreeing with Michelle O…. She looks as if she’s started to let herself go in the last few pics I’ve seen of her….

CynicalOptimist on June 17, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I still say Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue.

AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I’m curious. Just what do think the Republican position is on this issue? Are you going to toss out a strawman or you do really know? C’mon defend your comment.

PackerBronco on June 17, 2009 at 11:50 AM

I hope they don’t retreat…I want to go to the post office for a colonoscopy!!! :rolleyes:

right4life on June 17, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Ed, you are the most optimistic blogger EVAH when it comes to democrats. Do you really think any democrats are going to vote against DUH ONE and hand him his first legislative defeat? Do ya really?

SouthernGent on June 17, 2009 at 11:50 AM

battleoflepanto1571 on June 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Word. You could add just about EVERY government program to that list and ask someone to find one that isn’t running dangerously in the red. These morons in our government can’t even run their own congressional cafeteria, even that is costing more money than projected.

Bishop on June 17, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Hopefully, they will not retreat. This is one issue that people consistently polled say they want to see.

I still say Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue.

AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I say democrats are totally not based in reality. The ZERO liability voter
wants everything as long as they don’t pay for it. What I really would like to see is the IRS abolished.

izoneguy on June 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Hillary Clinton must be laughing her large butt off somewhere.

RobCon on June 17, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Nah, she’s off in a corner weeping. If the dumb woman had just turned down the SoS job, she could position herself as an outsider and savior for the Dems in 2012. Now the stench of this Administration’s policies will be draped all over her.

Doughboy on June 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM

the CBO is becomeing a thorn in the side for oboobi, how long before he appoints a czar?

SHARPTOOTH on June 17, 2009 at 11:53 AM

This statement couldn’t be more idiotic if Joe Biden had said it.

Correction: It’s an immutable fact of nature that any statement is more idiotic if Joe Biden says it.

Cicero43 on June 17, 2009 at 11:53 AM

battleoflepanto1571 on June 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Word. You could add just about EVERY government program to that list and ask someone to find one that isn’t running dangerously in the red. These morons in our government can’t even run their own congressional cafeteria, even that is costing more money than projected.

Bishop on June 17, 2009 at 11:51 AM

I am waiting for the day that first class postage will be one dollar. I have stopped using it whenever possible. All I get is junk flyers anymore.

izoneguy on June 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM

AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

So, you want a stagnant economy and the cost of everything you buy to double or triple in cost.

Johan Klaus on June 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Hopefully, they will not retreat. This is one issue that people consistently polled say they want to see.

I still say Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue.

AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

the asinine plan they’ve proposed is NOT the solution people think it is. It’ll make it worse. It’ll make the waits longer, the taxes higher and will drive unemployment up. Healthcare quality will go down. R&D will come to a screeching halt.

Oh wait, I only work in health care and you’re a Kaiser member. Therefore you know WAYYY more about this whole kerfuffle than me.

You bore me.

mjk on June 17, 2009 at 11:55 AM

She’s not THAT stupid, just a lying idealogue hell bent on towing the Obama Socialist agenda.

marklmail on June 17, 2009 at 11:57 AM

The people are indeed getting “consistently polled” if you know what I mean.

kahall on June 17, 2009 at 11:57 AM

This won’t last, just like the head of the FCC not supporting the Fairness Doctrine (or any of its alternatively named substitutes).

Can’t the government just buy me a 9mm bullet and I’ll do the job nationalized healthcare would do to myself to speed up the process? I swear it will cost less money, even at government pricing for bullets.

Geministorm on June 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Want cheaper healthcare? TORT REFORM.

loudmouth883 on June 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

I think the Democrats want to run on health care in future elections and if they get something massive through today, they can’t only not run on health care in the future, they will find it much more difficult to run on any new costly programs. Democrat’s got nuthin’ at that point. I think they will try to sabotage this if they can get away with it. You’ll notice that they don’t seem extremely anxious to get Al Franken seated.

Buddahpundit on June 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Isn’t Katherine Sibelius one of the “most greatest and smartest and brilliant administrations ever”? This clueless twit was a GOVERNOR for God’s sake. Don’t voters EVER check out who they elect? I wouldn’t hire her to wash my car. Besides, with her ability to understand the market, that car wash would likely cost me $2,003,023. Plus tip.

bradley11 on June 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Some one help me understand why can’t the health insurance industry simply have group plans that people can buy into which are aimed for individuals who have lost their jobs or are self-employed. Something like a low cost Group HMO…

Why does COBRA cost so much to keep for 18 months after one looses a job? The point is to keep insurance coverage – how is that possible when the rates are so high. A few yrs ago when my spouse lost a job the COBRA coverage was close to $1300 per month for a family of 3. He could have been self-employed for that time if the COBRA wasn’t so expensive. We had to keep insurance going because of my prior health issues.

My other beef is Pre-existing conditions – that’s a pain for me since my history has to do with the big C. I will always need to maintain health insurance – but what will happen if my spouse gets hit by a bus (and dies) and his work insurance gets cancelled. Then where would I go?

Other than these issues with health insurance I don’t really understand why the govt has to create system to pay for everyone’s health care.

Yes – my deductibles are high – 3K a yr for just me. Yes, I’ve been paying medical bills almost continually for the past 9 yrs. Most times close to $300 per month – it sucks but my other option was to just die.

Why does the govt have to create such a problem when private companies should be able to come up with a much better solution?

poppieseeds on June 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

The people are indeed getting “consistently polled” if you know what I mean.

kahall on June 17, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Hahahahhaahahaa, the winner!

Geministorm on June 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Baucus disputed speculation that his bill attracted a score of more than $1.5 trillion. “That reflects the policy of almost two weeks ago.

Like Obama says, we don’t want to continue the failed policies of the (recent) past.

Time to ask, loudly and clearly, to whomever will listen, the multi-trillion-dollar question:

WHO WILL PAY FOR THIS ???

Steve Z on June 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM

AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

People want reform, which means anything you want it to mean.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a poll that suggests they want government running everything.

If someone would explain to people that government intervention is the cause of all the problems; we’d get somewhere. But that doesn’t serve either parties’ interests.

lorien1973 on June 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Want cheaper healthcare? TORT REFORM.

loudmouth883 on June 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

EXACTLY!

+10

Geministorm on June 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM

AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I’ve asked before, I hope you will answer. What program run by the federal government are you impressed with? I have to assume your ox is being gored in this argument.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Anyone who expects that you can get all of congress together on the same page and agree on just how it is they want to destroy health care in America is, I’m sorry…an idiot. It will never happen. They’ll either cobble together something totally worthless and rush it through just to say it got done (without actually reading it), which is the most likely scenario, (see Porkulus), or they’ll throw their hands up and admit defeat. As for Hillary, Doughboy is right.

scalleywag on June 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM

The trouble with trillions…

tree hugging sister on June 17, 2009 at 12:00 PM

I thought Obama was going to be all about getting the economy revived and stimulating JOBS.

FAIL.

profitsbeard on June 17, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Someone needs to explain the difference between competition among overnight providers (FedEx v. the Post Office) and competition among the financers of a service (Private Insurance v. the Public Option) because the Democrats keep talking about the healty effects of the competition between FedEx and the government. There is a huge difference. If the government wants to own a hospital or a medical practice group to compete with other hospitals and medical groups, that is, to some degree, creating competition where consumers can vote with thier purchase of the service. That is vastly different than the government paying for the service, which will crowd out other financers.

For instance, just look at the student loan market where the government has crowded out loan companies unaffiliated with the government (i.e. not subsidized by federal guaranties). And now look at what has happended to the cost of education. The same will happen with the cost of medical care. But when the funds run short, the rationing will begin.

RedSoxNation on June 17, 2009 at 12:00 PM

With more than a thousand private companies offering health insurance the competition is there, unless of course you can provide evidence that all of those companies are in collusion to keep insurance costs high. Whoever has the ability to herd that many cats has my vote for president. Now that’s leadership!

SKYFOX on June 17, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Want cheaper healthcare? TORT REFORM.

loudmouth883 on June 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

I could be wrong, but this morning I thought I heard a report saying that THE O was against TORT REFORM… he’s retorted….

CynicalOptimist on June 17, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Regarding the earlier comment about Michelle Obama “letting herself go”-I don’t think she is, since she’s never started.
You have to be at a pinnacle of some sort to do that, and she’s never seen a pinnacle she ever liked. Except the back seat of the Presidential limo, which, of course, others pay for. She’s entitled…

bradley11 on June 17, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Supposedly, all of the Hope and Change would make 2009 different from 1993, but so far, it looks like a replay. Obama has outsourced the development of the plan to Congress, but it’s generating the same problems for the Democrats as it did before. It would cost far too much, especially as deficits skyrocket from other Obama spending initiatives.

The difference right now seems to be there is a certain core of D.C. Democrats who do remember 1994, and don’t want to repeat that mistake — that’s where these second thoughts are coming from. Fifteen years ago, the Blue Dog Democrats remained silent as the rest of the party decided to try and top 1933 and 1965, and since the far left key supporters were/are in safe districts, they survived the midterms, while the Blue Dogs were treated about like a bunch of chihuahuas at Michael Vick’s house.

This time, the Blue Dogs are trying to wage a preemptive strike to protect their own positions for the 2010 midterms. But given the fanaticism of the more liberal Democrats who control Congress, odds are they’re not going to get this plan knocked down unless they’re willing to directly confront their leaders on it (which means joining up with House and Senate Republicans. That ought to be fun to watch with a White House that both plays Chicago politics and a president who wonders why Fox News even exists in the first place).

jon1979 on June 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM

loudmouth883 on June 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

I don’t know if it’s true but there appear to be barriers in place that keep small businesses from joining together to be more attractive to insurance companies since the more that are insured the more economic it is.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM

CynicalOptimist on June 17, 2009 at 12:02 PM

I think that’s the part the AMA booed the other day.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2009 at 12:04 PM

The real issue here is how the CBO keeps screwing things up for Obambi. He’ll rectify that shortly so that the numbers that come out are more fitting for his policies.

It will come down to White House Budget Office with the rosy numbers vs Congressional Budget office with realistic numbers. I’d be worried about getting thrown under the bus if I were working in the CBO and continually shooting a BB through Obambi’s hot air balloon.

Thunderstorm129 on June 17, 2009 at 12:04 PM

There are horror stories coming out of two of the biggest government-run Healthcare Systems in the world, Canada and the U.K. And what do the Liberals want to do? Change the finest Healthcare System in the world to be just like the inefficient ones. This will result in a large, poorly-run bureaucracy. Think TennCare on a massive scale. Forget that. Those Dems better think about their future in politics.

kingsjester on June 17, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Any younger person should be on the phone right now to Congress to kill this thing. I’m in my 50s, I’ll be dead soon, but you younger folks will get HORRIBLE CARE, and get TAXED TO DEATH.

Jeff from WI on June 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Every one of us needs to nag our congresspersons daily over this and every other dumbass idea The One has.

Patrick S on June 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Why does COBRA cost so much to keep for 18 months after one looses a job?

You’re right. And it goes even higher after Cobra ends. It made me feel like I was subsidizing the government workers who have their insurance paid for and paid for at a lower rate.

Blake on June 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Now Democrats have delayed releasing any more of the plan, apparently unwilling to immediately add to the cost projections

Sticker shock hits the Democrats. Now they have to hide the price.

“How much does it cost? I’ll buy it!

He[Obama] can’t even run his own life, I’ll be d@mned if he’ll run mine!”

Steve Z on June 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Hopefully, they will not retreat. This is one issue that people consistently polled say they want to see.

I still say Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue.

AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

You’re absolutely right, Ann. I am very disappointed that the Dems are backing off.

I say, full steam ahead with the destruction of our nation’s economy! Enact nationalized healthcare, Cap-and-Trade, redistribution of wealth, the whole shebang – as quickly as possible and without debate. Lay the whole country to waste,and expose the statists for the corrupt, incompetent fools that they are.

Then let’s get on with the business of rebuilding the nation from the ashes. It will be a better place in the long run.

UltimateBob on June 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM

One thing that will never be rationed, is treatment and meds for HIV patients. Everyone else will just have to DIE!

Blake on June 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM

New York Times genius economics columnist explains why health-care rationing is a GOOD THING if it’s done “rationally.”

Maybe, with luck, this can become the number 1 Dem talking point!

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on June 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM

1. Show me the poll that says “i want to be forced to have government-run health care, rationing surgeries, and seeing governemtn banning smoking/transfats/cheetohs”

As Braveheart said, “They can take our lives, but they can never take our cheetohs!”

(Actually, I’m not a big fan of cheetohs, but I’ll fight for your right to make a mess of yourself with them.)

CK MacLeod on June 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM

So much effort to avoid the real issue. We don’t know what state health care is in because of the illegal alien problem. Fix the borders and cut off the job magnets and then we will see where health care stands.

DFCtomm on June 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Not really. I have a small business and can get my employees on a big group program with great rates, but I have to get a certain % of them to sign on.

I’ve gone into the problems with medical/insurance in the past.

Part of it is that too many people are insured. Oxymoron, I know.

Part of it is what people expect to be covered by insurance. Imagine if auto insurance had to cover tire changes and oil changes. Rates would sky rocket. They aren’t, so they don’t.

So, why is medical insurance expected to cover regular doctor visits?

Why can’t insurance coverers raise your rates if you use your insurance a lot? It happens with auto coverage. Why not insurance? By preventing it, it hurts everyone who insures with them. Why do my rates rise $100/month every year, even though I never file a claim?

Tort reform. Natch.

Tax reform. There are tax incentives that make the hospitals/doctors keep costs high, which ultimately force people to have insurance, when it’s really not necessary at all.

lorien1973 on June 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Actually, I’m not a big fan of cheetohs

CK MacLeod on June 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM

If I could deport you, I would.

lorien1973 on June 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM

I think that’s the part the AMA booed the other day.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Yeah… it’s open season of doctors! The doctor cut my hangnail but it grew back… OK Mr. Smith… we’ll get a cool 5 mil for that…

CynicalOptimist on June 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Slightly off topic; seems there was some high drama in Congress last night.

Most representatives made a beeline out of the Capitol around 6:30 pm Tuesday. Lawmakers had just approved an emergency war funding bill. And the leadership brass advertised that vote as the last one of the evening. But the House wasn’t done with it’s work. The plan was for members to start plowing through a slate of 127 amendments to the annual Commerce, Justice, Science spending bill. Some lawmakers would stick around to debate. But there would be no votes until Wednesday.

That all changed at 8:21 pm.

That’s when the House bells rang and Congressional aides pinged their bosses via BlackBerry messages ricocheting all over Washington. Lawmakers were instructed to hustle back to the House for an unexpected procedural vote.

Finally at 9:01 pm, majority Democrats closed the vote. They consumed more than twice the time it usually takes to hold a vote as Democrats prevailed over Republicans, 179 to 124. But that’s only 303 members out of what is currently a 434 member House. That meant 131 members didn’t get the message. Or didn’t bother to come back.

“Fun and games,” said Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD).
But the fun and games were just beginning.

Almost immediately, Republicans tried to portray Democrats as fearful of three amendments in particular. Two, offered by Rep. Steve King (R-IA), would prevent ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) from scoring federal funds. A third, authored by Rep. Peter Roskam (R-IL), would launch a $2 million Justice Department probe of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and her allegations that the CIA lied to her. Meantime, Democrats countered that Republicans forced them to take extreme measures to yank the measure from the floor.
“If you take a look at this bill you can tell its getting out of hand,” fumed House Appropriations Committee Chairman Dave Obey (D-WI) before a witching hour meeting of the House Rules Committee. “If we don’t deal with it, there will be 200 or 250 (amendments). There are only so many hours in the week.”

“This precedent is a very, very dangerous one,” warned Rep. David Dreier (R-CA), the leading GOPer on the Rules panel. “I wonder if there isn’t more freedom on the streets of Tehran right now.”

Read the whole thing to see what whiny crybabies we have working for us…they were furious that they had to go back to work.
“I was shopping at Safeway,” groused Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN). “I’ve got bars of ice cream melting in the car.”

Brat on June 17, 2009 at 12:09 PM

OK so $4t is too much. We’ll do a $1T “downpayment” and low low monthly payments of $250B for the next 100 years. There that’s better.

– Democrats

angryed on June 17, 2009 at 12:09 PM

The trouble with trillions…

tree hugging sister on June 17, 2009 at 12:00 PM

It will be quadrillions by the end of Obama’s quadrennium, then we graduate to quintessential quintillions.

Steve Z on June 17, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Dang forgot the linky

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/17/on-call/

Brat on June 17, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Hopefully, they will not retreat. This is one issue that people consistently polled say they want to see.
I still say Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue.
AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I think you have some cognitive confusion going on. People want less expensive Health Care Insurance premiums not a Government run Health Care system.

dpierson on June 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM

I think Ann is a bot.

Simple, vague, sentences that can easily be constructed using key words.

Example: Health care thread, Ann’s post: I still say Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue.

Hmmm you don’t say Ann.

angryed on June 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM

How many hospitals does he want shut down? He needs his dishonest garbage exposed on the front end before the votes on the bills. Remember some large city hospitals write off millions in gunshots and poor care and can’t increase their load,. They have no money to serve more and not get paid. It will cost obama 200,000 per bed to replace hospitls that he will close. I know my friends won’t raise money for a hospital to have Obama run it. We have modern hospitals because they are non profit and reinvested some money in modernizing. If he wants to milk them, that will never happen again. My insurance is expensive and I sure don”t want to be taxed on it and also pay for the next guys insurance also. If california is broke, where do they have another 80 billion for this mess?

seven on June 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Hopefully, they will not retreat. This is one issue that people consistently polled say they want to see.

I still say Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue.

AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I love you.

You’re wrong…but I love you.

:)

bluelightbrigade on June 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM

I wouldn’t get too excited about this “retreat”. Let us not forget the sneaky, underhanded way the Dems go about things. If they can’t pass legislation to kill America, they’ll just regulate it into forced existence and use the courts to push Congress’ hand, as they did with the federal same-sex benefits just implemented.

The Dems will kill America one way or another and they will not be thwarted by any qualms of Congress. This administration operates outside of the law and without any regard for American tradition or sensibilities.

If they can’t kill private health insurance through legislation, they’ll “bankrupt the industry” via regulations and court cases demanding the best treatment for everyone in the world who expresses even a desire to be treated in America.

This is what happens when traitors are holding the levers of power.

progressoverpeace on June 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Hopefully, they will not retreat. This is one issue that people consistently polled say they want to see.

I still say Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue.

AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Tell me under what Constitutional authority is the federal government allowed to muck around in health insurance? (Just humor me in the idea that the Constitution should be followed, in any way)

progressoverpeace on June 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Why does COBRA cost so much to keep for 18 months after one looses a job?
poppieseeds on June 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

I dunno. But I do know people who use loose instead of lose deserve to lose their jobs based on a loosely executed set of tasks assigned to employee.

angryed on June 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Hopefully, they will not retreat. This is one issue that people consistently polled say they want to see.
I still say Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue.
AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM

My late father got his healthcare from the Veteran’s Administration. The SNAFUs, apathy and red tape were mind numbing at times. He became my late father sooner than he should have.

Patrick S on June 17, 2009 at 12:17 PM

President Obama needs a pithy slogan to help himself understand the danger of the course he has charted.

In the 1980s, a rising tide lifted all boats.

In the age of Obama, a burning boat kills every passenger.

Democrats understand that the President has poured the kerosine and holds the match.

There’s mutiny in the wind.

jeff_from_mpls on June 17, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Why does COBRA cost so much to keep for 18 months after one looses a job?
poppieseeds on June 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Here’s the serious answer.

COBRA is not a plan. COBRA is a piece of legislation that says if you lose your job your employer has to offer you the option of keeping your old health plan, but at full cost.

So the “COBRA cost” is what the employer paid for you the whole time you were employed, during which time I’m sure you bitched about how unfair it was that your employer was making all this money and not sharing it with you.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of a good rant on your part.

angryed on June 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Congressional Democrats and the White House are scrambling to regain their footing after a series of setbacks has stalled political momentum to reform the nation’s healthcare system. …

DOA

Just like we’ll all be under this craptastic system.

BacaDog on June 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM

lorien1973 on June 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Thanks for the info. Needless to say if you don’t have to provide and only pick insurance you know a lot less. My youngest, 25, doesn’t have insurance. His choice. (Why not he has us), I looked into catastrophic coverage for him and there was a $4500 deductible but the price per month was $16.65, and almost everthing could be put against that deductiable. This was a single policy, not group through BC/BS. I think a lot of people are just too lazy to see what’s available. But I agree with what you wrote and I don’t see a wholesale restructure as the answer.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM

by offering working families

That phrase has always bugged me. It is typical Liberal speak. I don’t know ANY family personally that at least one of the parents don’t work. Just because a family is “rich” or “wealthy” or makes more than some magic number that some Liberal arbitrarily floats,doesn’t mean they aren’t a worker.

That was a rant. Carry on.

Beaglemom on June 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM

illegal alien problem

DFCtomm on June 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Want cheaper healthcare? TORT REFORM.

loudmouth883 on June 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM

We have got two winners.

Johan Klaus on June 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Take the VA and exponentially apply that across the nation, and what you get is in effect, the guided attrition of the elderly and infirm off to their gov’t sponsored dirt nap.

When dictatorial regimes do it, its called genocide.

44Magnum on June 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Why didn’t Kathy Sebelius do something about insurance coverage mandates while Governor of Kansas? Maybe if she had done something, I wouldn’t have to spend $1400 a month for a policy for 2 people with a $2500 deductible. If she is so smart on heathcare, why isn’t the insurance market in Kansas mroe consumer friendly?

bopbottle on June 17, 2009 at 12:21 PM

44Magnum on June 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM

The VA care sucks. I had to pull my grandfather out of the local VA before they killed him and stick him into a real hospital on my dime.

dpierson on June 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM

I dunno. But I do know people who use loose instead of lose deserve to lose their jobs based on a loosely executed set of tasks assigned to employee.

shamefully busted….

poppieseeds on June 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM

….the option of a public plan without the high overhead costs of marketing, administration and profits.

So, there will be no –
1) Marketing expense? I guess every citizen will learn about the program through osmosis.

2) Administration costs? For a government program? Bwahhhhhhhahahahahah!

3) Profits? That’s right folks. Any red ink will be covered by us – through higher taxes.

Geez. Do they really think we’re that stupid?

BacaDog on June 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Bambi was trying to push it through, like the “stimulus” before anyone could read it and see the crap sandwich it is. Burn me once….

faol on June 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Address the rampant fraud and abuse of the current system and it is likely that we will find out where the waste is. My concern is, however, that there are too many government-funded entities who don’t want their cover blown and we have an administration that is willing to give them cover in order to maintain power. Talk about sick.

pjean on June 17, 2009 at 12:28 PM

The blue dogs already have to run with Obama’s drunken stimulus albatross package around their necks next year…

Little Boomer on June 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM

“It doesn’t reflect the savings that are also in the bill,” he said.

Savings?? Oh, I get it, just like the jobs saved/created BS? I can see it now “If we spend $10 trillion we don’t have now we will save $800 Trillion worth of unicorns later!”

FireFly on June 17, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Please title all future posts about this initiative “HealthScare”

As in:

“Dems Retreating on HealthScare”
the “HealthScare Debate”
The “Democrat HealthScare plan”
Obama’s new “HealthScare reform initiative”
Etc.

Youngs98 on June 17, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Wow. $4T now, huh? Ironically, the only program big enough to take cuts that would cover that amount would be Medicare. And they’ve only come up with, what, $600B in cuts over 10 years’ time? *snort*

Dear D.C.: You already ran out of our money. Stop.

aero on June 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM

I’m starting to get interested in ABC’s Obamapalooza health care special now. Watching them try to inflate this balloon with a giant hole in it for two hours might be entertaining after all.

aero on June 17, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Hillary is rubbing her forepaws together dreaming about 2016.

Spiritk9 on June 17, 2009 at 12:42 PM

The costs are creeping more toward the reality of what the program will really cost. Now they say 4, or 4.5 trillion. They’ll eventually get to the truthful number, which is 2.5 trillion the first year, and after 10 years nearly 11.5 trillion.

All to cover only 25 million or so more people.

I say it’s far cheaper just to throw this bum out on his ass.

Spiritk9 on June 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM

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