Video: Pence calls on Obama to support Iranian protesters
posted at 8:49 pm on June 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
A lovely sentiment, and I agree that The One can and should be doing more to focus media attention on horrors like this, especially with Gibbs stupidly insisting that our concerns about Iran are the same this week as last week. Still, I don’t like the idea of a congressional resolution to make Obama choose sides. Foreign policy is the president’s prerogative and the president’s decided to play this low key; a resolution would make headlines in Iran and destroy his ability to do that. It’s strategically risky, too, insofar as the clerics and the army haven’t decided which way to go yet. The regime’s on the defensive now with eminent Iranians like Montazeri coming out against them; doubtless Rafsanjani’s lobbying some leading mullahs too, possibly with an eye to removing Khamenei. If the U.S. gets involved, it lets Ahmadinejad change the subject and demagogue his opponents as doing the west’s bidding, which could tilt the fencesitters the other way. The best thing we can do to avert another Tiananmen, I think, is to stress how appalling the abuses have already been so that whatever comes next will seem that much more monstrous by comparison. No one, whether inside or outside Iran, will fault The One for doing that. So how about it, Barry?
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Branch Rickey on June 16, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Obama responds.
Good Lt on June 16, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Hah. Would that be support for democracy last week when he could take credit for it (Rose Garden clusterfark) or support democracy this week when his Iran policy lies in ruins (trustworthy Mullahs and their technicolor Basijis)?
elduende on June 16, 2009 at 8:53 PM
I agree. Separation of powers, however, is apparently passe.
DrMagnolias on June 16, 2009 at 8:56 PM
I hope Obama reverses himself and offers verbal support to the Iranian protesters, then does a typical Democrat thing and abandons the Iranian’s to their horrible bloody fate.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Pick a side? Naw- much easier just to vote “present”.
But I’m sure the Iranian regime will start singing “God Bless America” if Obama apologizes some more and continues to blame everything on Bush.
Hollowpoint on June 16, 2009 at 8:58 PM
What’s wrong with standing up for freedom and condemning violence against unarmed citizens of Iran who seem to be fighting for just a tiny piece of it….?
Seven Percent Solution on June 16, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Hey Allah, now that Jon and Kate+H8 is over with you need to tune in to Housewives of NJ tonight.
EPIC showdown between the family and the stranger, stripper, felon, weasel have a showdown.
Awesome!
broker1 on June 16, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Mr. Obama, have you no shame?
Congress needs to take back it’s constitutionally delegated power.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 9:02 PM
The problem is,Hopey/Changey wants to ram healthcare
through,so,its unfortunate that Iran is burning,but
Obama is more worried about,
domestic consumption,then,
foreign consumption!!
canopfor on June 16, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Honestly, it’s still burned in my brain, muslim’s everywhere cheering the Twin Towers collapsing. I can’t get worked about about a few protesters getting shot in Iran (or any other muslim country) when they have finally figured out that islamic rule isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
They are learning a valuable lesson, freedom isn’t free and sometimes you have to fight for it.
Note to Iranian protester’s, Obama doesn’t care about you. Refer to Obama’s brother and aunt for evidence of that. You are on your own and you will be well advised to act accordingly. The counter protesters are showing up with guns? Then don’t show up with a rock or a knife.
Hog Wild on June 16, 2009 at 9:05 PM
He doesn’t necessarily have to overtly support the protesters, but he can at least condemn the Iranian government for brutally using its armed forces against unarmed citizens. Civilized people can agree on that much, can’t we?
aero on June 16, 2009 at 9:06 PM
Since Obama is Silent,or has said,he doesn’t want to
meddle in Iran’s election,
its more like he APPROVES,what ImWearingaDinnerJacketCrazy
JihadyNutJob is doing!!
Boy,I’m glad,the National Civilian Secruity Forces aren’t
operational!!
canopfor on June 16, 2009 at 9:08 PM
i HATE to say this
But GOOD luck on that one..
Obama like most liberals would never dare
take a stand on anything unless
its in their own selfish interest.
http://www.veteranoutrage.com
veteranoutrage on June 16, 2009 at 9:08 PM
Obama, your penis called, he wants his balls back!
Michelle Dubois on June 16, 2009 at 9:09 PM
No, Iran supplied arms and personal against American troops in Iraq, let them all die.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 9:09 PM
HA HA Good Lt.
birdhurd on June 16, 2009 at 9:09 PM
You don’t like any idea that would make the filthy liar in the White House take a position. That is just who you are- an unapologetic and unquestioning Obama disciple. GWB also faced these issues and you were out in front demanding a violation of that perogative you now hold sacrosanct. You sir, are a nothing but a petty partisan hypocrite.
That being said, why shouldn’t Congress weigh in on this issue? Why the f**k are you demanding the views of the filthy liar in the White House be the sole voice of America in international issues? Don’t other views deserve to be heard? Apparently not in your bitter partisan world.
highhopes on June 16, 2009 at 9:12 PM
sick nationalism.
ernesto on June 16, 2009 at 9:12 PM
Using Iraq as the model,I would love to see freedom in Iran,and let Iranians wipe out the Mullahs,and eliminate
their Doomsday Nuclear plans!
If Iran goons continue to hi-jack Iran,then Iran is doomed
to be a target that will glow if neccessary!!
canopfor on June 16, 2009 at 9:15 PM
canopfor on June 16, 2009 at 9:03 PM
for now.
SHARPTOOTH on June 16, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Iran killed American soldiers, if that doesn’t bother you then you either aren’t an American or are one very sick ba$tard.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Annihilation, collective punishment and in the extreme. Where have I heard that before?
Joe Bloggs on June 16, 2009 at 9:21 PM
That was too funny!
progressoverpeace on June 16, 2009 at 9:21 PM
keep thinking about the dead student
blatantblue on June 16, 2009 at 9:21 PM
theres a wide chasm between “bother you” and “let them all die”, and in it lie nationalist fervor.
ernesto on June 16, 2009 at 9:22 PM
*lies
oh hotair editor where art thou?
ernesto on June 16, 2009 at 9:23 PM
The people bashing heads in Tehran are the ones that killed our troops. These students have been twittering for American help in trying to defeat the regime…I say we give them moral support at the very least and probably should provide some agitation and some weapons. I vote to send them the weapons that we captured from dead Iranian Qods forces in Iraq as poetic justice.
elduende on June 16, 2009 at 9:23 PM
I agree. They are just arguing over who gets to kill Americans and infidels. I would take this opportunity to take out their nuke program and retake control of the oil fields, so they can’t pose a threat to the world anymore.
If they want help they can beg for it later, after they cease to be a threat.
progressoverpeace on June 16, 2009 at 9:23 PM
“Still, I don’t like the idea of a congressional resolution to make Obama choose side”
How noble.
Meanwhile, the Criminal in Chief writes his own rulebook.
notagool on June 16, 2009 at 9:24 PM
You are very correct, but when he begins handling us the same way; then what? I am not joking either. There is nothing this man will not do. He has one major ax to grind against this country, and just about all that inhabit it. He will not even sign an Executive Order to protect our military from the CIA pictures the &^%$*@! ACLU wants to use. Look at his Infanticide position. And excuse me, but where was he when Raila Odinga was burning Kikuyu Christians in their churches in Kenya? With his Kenyan roots you would think he would have been a big proponent for all the causes in Africa which needed attention. And since he has “encountered” Islam on 3 continents, (he could see them all from his Rezko home in Chicago), where was he on the Kosovo/Bosnian deal? And lest we forget, look at how the man has treated his own impoverished family members!
Obama’s reaction to the Iranian protestors is typical Obama. It is cold, and extremely heartless. It hurts his agenda, and is not focused on him, so there is a lack of a timely, and strongly worded rebuke.
The man is a menace to the civilized world!
freeus on June 16, 2009 at 9:25 PM
Obama needs to personally GO to Iran and organize it.
SouthernGent on June 16, 2009 at 9:26 PM
I certainly hope that you are just venting. China supplied arms, and at least indirectly some personnel, to us against, among others me, in RVN and I did not want those at Tiananmen Square to die.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 9:26 PM
You are one sick individual. Iran is still trying to kill American service personal in Iraq, they are funding Hamas and Hezbollah they are building nuclear weapons so they can destroy Israel. They are a evil nation and these students are not trying to stop any of these activities.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 9:27 PM
idk
i dont think the death of an iranian student is acceptable.
blatantblue on June 16, 2009 at 9:29 PM
A strong statement deploring the violence, and a demand that the Iranian government stop killing its own…actual freedom fighters…would be nice. Don’t expect that sort of thing to happen, though, not with this Administration.
In the meantime, the Administration is claiming credit for Lebanon rejecting radical Islam in their elections last week.
coldwarrior on June 16, 2009 at 9:29 PM
The Chinese at Tiananmen were far different from the Iranian supporters of Mousavi. The Chinese students built a Statue of Liberty and were generally protesting against their government. The Iranians are protesting for their right to elect Mousavi, a savage who had a strong hand in the Beirut bombings and Hezbollah.
I see the two groups as very different. Polar opposites, even.
progressoverpeace on June 16, 2009 at 9:30 PM
you are a depraved nationalist. theres just no other way to put it. white is black to you, as all of a sudden every innocent man woman and child in a nation has become personally responsible for the actions of their government. to suggest otherwise borders on insanity.
ernesto on June 16, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Sun Tzu said, the wisest course of action is to convince your enemies to kill your other enemies. Nut I wouldn’t expect a former military expert like you to know or understand some old Chinese fool like Sun Tzu.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Quit wringing your hands so much about this Allah.
Have some stones for once and simply state the obvious. Gee the world gets it and we look like we are PANDERING. If they were republicans BO would be screaming for the moral high ground.
Meddle with North Korea in the morning condemnation-fest, but mustn’t meddle with the Iranian mullahs because we want them to like us.
Starlink on June 16, 2009 at 9:32 PM
you are a depraved nationalist. theres just no other way to put it. white is black to you, as all of a sudden every innocent man woman and child in a nation has become personally responsible for the actions of their government.
to suggest otherwise borders on insanity.ernesto on June 16, 2009 at 9:30 PM
im no good today. too angry/emotional
ernesto on June 16, 2009 at 9:32 PM
I don’t think that would work very well. Both Obama and Ahmadinejad would want to be in charge of suppressing the uppity anti-government peasants. Also there would surly be a conflict between Obama and Khamenei as to who was The Anointed One over there.
Well, maybe that is what you had in mind.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 9:32 PM
It’s kewl dude
no worries if you’re off a bit
cindy munford has been typo-ing like WHOA lately
blatantblue on June 16, 2009 at 9:34 PM
It isn’t and should be condemned.
A statement like that would be nice…but nah….
ladyingray on June 16, 2009 at 9:34 PM
I greatly appreciate Representative Pence’s comments about the Iranian election and the vicious suppression and unspeakable violence the government of Iran is pursuing against its own people. I wish Obama would do so, and more members of Congress would do so.
I can support a Congressional Resolution condemning the suppression and brutality we are witnessing in Iran and supporting all Iranian citizens who are fighting for freedom and civil liberties for all. However, I know that such a Resolution needs to be very carefully worded.
Loxodonta on June 16, 2009 at 9:34 PM
Every person in Congress who wants to make a statement should. Don’t tell Mr. Obama what he should do, he already blames other for everything, he needs no more ammunition.
Cindy Munford on June 16, 2009 at 9:34 PM
dorian: you know, you might have a point. were you in iraq? or afghanistan? or a secret place?
kelley in virginia on June 16, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Just as long as there is no water boarding…
right2bright on June 16, 2009 at 9:36 PM
its these videos man. idk i cant imagine walking through a dorm hallway and seeing paramilitaries put a bullet in a friends neck and proceed to trash the place.
and i certainly cant imagine being ok with that.
ernesto on June 16, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Thanks for that. I laughed.
Loxodonta on June 16, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Potesting the election of one ‘madman’ over another, not for democracy, rights for women, peace on earth. This has nothing to do with America, they will get to those protests later. these are vicious people with a vicious lifestyle, I don’t feel obliged to get upset over their problems. I agree with doriengrey and progress over peace. the Iranians will be burning the USA flag soon enough, don’t worry, they are just being side-tracked for now……*sigh*
clinker46 on June 16, 2009 at 9:39 PM
neither can i
and its all too easy to picture
blatantblue on June 16, 2009 at 9:40 PM
To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.
- Sun Tzu
Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent’s fate.
- Sun Tzu
If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain to be in peril.
- Sun Tzu
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 9:40 PM
if you’re really arguing for a true moral vacuum of ultimately realist foreign policy thinking, i hope you’ll apply that view universally when the time comes to consider other conflicts. i often argue from that perspective, but to be indifferent to this kinda thing is just too much for me.
ernesto on June 16, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Those Iranian students are not protesting for liberty or democracy, they are protesting that their choice of ruthless vicious murdering ba$tard who started the Iranian nuclear weapons program and is even more serious about destroying Israel didnt get elected. What part of that are you to stupid to understand???
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM
Its 1979,the Shah was outed,students were running amuck,
and those students like Dinnerjacket are in power,perser
ving the Mullahs!
Its 2009,Iranian students want freedom,if the outcome,
is right back to ‘Death to the Great and Little Satan”,
then nothing has changed!
canopfor on June 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM
I would prefer to fight only those responsible for killing Americans and threatening to wipe Israel off the map. Must all the women and children of Iran also have to die to stop their extremist government?
Loxodonta on June 16, 2009 at 9:43 PM
A few more points:
Obama throws Iranian protesters under the bus:
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-06-16-voa59.cfm
He does have a point, but how he can ignore people being killed in the street and say it’s for nothing anyway?
And, another case of Obama demanding from others to do what he says, not what he does:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-obama-iran17-2009jun17,0,13953.story
Phoenician on June 16, 2009 at 9:43 PM
you know pragmtists like allah forget certain things. As a nation you either have principles or you don’t you either stand for something or you don’t. Obama’s actions are telling every dictator that they can crack down at will on their people and the USA will say nothing. this goes beyond Iran. It comes beyond dems/rep. Obama’s action this past week will have worldwide scope and it will not be for the good of the USa’s and West’s geopolitical fortunes. Sryia, Iraq, South Africa, zimbabwe, sudan, Chevez, Ecudor, Nigigra, china, russia, Yemen, central asia, etc can now all crack down on their pro democracy people without worry of thew WH “meddling” I say let Iran burn instead of sacrificing our principles and the last 60 years of geopolicital effort to move the world away from thugs and dicatorors and towards freedom.
unseen on June 16, 2009 at 9:44 PM
The more Iranians kill each other, the fewer there are trying to kill Americans or Israeli’s. They are not protesting in favor of democracy or freedom or liberty, they are arguing over which homicidal murdering thug will lead them to better chance to kill Americans and Israeli’s.
So yes, I say let them all die.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 9:48 PM
The concept of national sovereignty cuts two ways. It isn’t our job to pick out the good Iranians from the bad ones. And these Iranians are not sporting “We Love America” signs. Don’t kid yourself about their feelings.
And if we don’t stop Iran’s nuclear ambitions very soon, more people are going to die than even live in Iran, right now and the whole world is going to suffer.
progressoverpeace on June 16, 2009 at 9:49 PM
I am yet to be convinced that these students are fighting for freedom, in the Western sense.
It seems to be more of a turf war than anything else.
OldEnglish on June 16, 2009 at 9:50 PM
political violence to defend an obviously fraudulent election that involves running into dorm rooms and shooting isn’t excusable. i dont care who they were rallying for, i dont care if these were ahmadinejad supporters. its the students, the kids that are getting shot and killed. there is such a thing as innocent civilians that dont deserve to die choking on blood in their hallway with all their friends screaming and crying around them.
regardless, what you’re suggesting amounts to as rabid a nationalistic view as ive ever seen expressed on hotair.
ernesto on June 16, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Because he’s a narcissistic ba*stard.
ladyingray on June 16, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Hell, by that standard we would have to through America out with the bath water and only a handful built a Statue of Liberty.
Many of the protesters have called for the ouster of Khamenei. I find that very telling and it makes enough of them worthy enough anyway.
I doubt that all at Tiananmen were pure of heart either, although probably a greater percentage. But what do you want, something that even America isn’t anymore? I am not hitching any wagon to them but I certainly don’t want them all dead and I am not exactly known for any particular fondness for Muslims.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 9:53 PM
These students support a man who is ten times as serious as Anutjob Dinnerjacket about destroying Israel. They are try to force the Ayatollah to appoint an even more ruthless tyrant on Iran than is already there. You are weeping over Hitler’s SS. To hell with that.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Moussavi has not been in power since 1989. Most of the students would not remember him. The people had only a choice between candidates approved by the mullahs. He
is much better than Dinner Jacket, who is more religious than Khamanei.
Give it a chance.
gh on June 16, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Wikipedia
gh on June 16, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Bull$hit they know exactly who he is and exactly what kind of ruthless murdering ba$tard he is.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 10:02 PM
I hear you. But I don’t trust the people protesting in Iran, while I did trust the motivations of most of the protesters in Tiananmen. Most of my attitude has to do with what spurred the two protests.
I don’t want them all dead in Iran, either. I don’t cry for those who do die, but I am more concerned with defanging that country, in general – which isn’t going to happen, anyway.
I would take this opportunity (with the chaos out there) to take out the nukes and the oil fields in Iran (as I am not concerned with either Achmadinejad and his supporters or Mousavi and his) but we all know that that’s not going to happen, either. Our Precedent is more likely to attack us or our allies than defang Iran.
What I want to hear from The Precedent is an apology to America for having harangued us for years that we had to talk without preconditions with the savages out there. He owes us an apology for his smug stupidity (though I won’t hold my breath on that).
progressoverpeace on June 16, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Point to Ponder:
The US has NEVER looked to the purity of motives or clean hands when arming and supporting the enemies of our enemies. General Petraeus’ new COIN strategy would not have been able to turn the Iraq war around if that had been the case:
The members of the Sunni awakening were all virulently anti-American Jihadis responsible for among other things the atrocities in Fallujah and Ramadi that we turned against Al Qaeda and the Shiite.
Same thing with Mookie’s Shiite Jaish al Mahdi.
elduende on June 16, 2009 at 10:05 PM
I did that a couple of days ago for Obama.
“I am not sure myself whether or not the elections in Iran were rigged, but it seems clear that a majority of the Iranian people, who are in a much better position to know, think that it was, and in the extreme. It saddens me deeply that the regime there is, in effect, making war on the Iranian people. I had hoped that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was at core a decent man who could be reasoned with, but sadly it appears that I was mistaken”.
I don’t think he used it though.
It could be used in a Congressional Resolution just replacing “I” with “we”. They could always tweak it some and, of course, they are a lot more wordy than I am.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 10:05 PM
On this, you and I disagree. I cannot support genocide. I know that much of the population, and likely the vast majority, supports radical Islamisism. Yet, I don’t hate the Iranian people. I hate the destructive ideology and behavior of their government and their dominant culture.
I don’t believe I’m kidding myself. I know whoever wins this Iranian conflict will still pose a great danger to us, Israel and the world. I very much want the US to stop Iran from obtaining nukes, or support action by Israel to do so. Obama’s appeasement of Iran and betrayal of Israel is extremely reckless.
Loxodonta on June 16, 2009 at 10:05 PM
What is your source for all this? The wikipedia article has an extensive talk page discussing these allegations and the limited sources for them are claimed to be in error.
Admittedly wikipedia is not very reliable on hot political topics but there seems to be some indication that your opinions are “controversial”.
gh on June 16, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Nope; Real Nationalism, based on provable facts.
massrighty on June 16, 2009 at 10:08 PM
like ive said, sick nationalism. you seek the slaughter an opposing nation’s innocent civilians. ends justifying means. its your thinking that begs an SS analogy, not mine.
ernesto on June 16, 2009 at 10:08 PM
You are soooo Full of shite… Bottom line, listen to what Former Ambassador John Bolton has to say about Moussavi. Bolton say’s he makes Dinnerjacket look like a frickin boyscout.
That may be the case, but if Ken Timmerman is right, Moussavi, if elected President of Iran, is hardly going to be that country’s Gorbachev. Besides being an architect of the Iranian regime’s dreaded secret police and of Hezbollah, Moussavi helped to create the shadowy international financial structure that allows Iran to purchase material for its weapons of mass destruction programs, including its nuclear bomb program.
If Moussavi replaces Ahmadinejad as President of Iran, one should expect a change in tone and rhetoric, but not a change in policy. Certainly the harsh Islamic regime is not going to loosen its control over the lives of the Iranian people. Dissent will still be crushed. Islamic law will
Ahmadinejad and Moussavi Debate
still be enforced. Nor will Iran cease its pursuit of nuclear weapons or its support of terrorism. There will be less talk about denying the Holocaust or how Islam is bound to triumph over the West.
The problem is that the West may be deceived that a Moussavi regime would represent real change and a chance for diplomacy to work. But it would really just represent a change in tactics and rhetoric, not in goals.
Sources: ‘Reformist’ Iranian Candidate Founded Hezbollah, Ken Timmerman, Newsmax.Com, June 3rd, 2009
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 10:09 PM
real nationalism is sick.
ernesto on June 16, 2009 at 10:09 PM
It was just a manner of speech, Lox. I didn’t mean it in any serious way, though you and I do disagree on the protesters’ motivations, somewhat.
progressoverpeace on June 16, 2009 at 10:10 PM
This is one of the great challenges of life: feeling empathy for those who might very well hate you. Under one set of circumstances, you might have to kill that student to save your own or others’ lives. Under an other circumstance, your heart goes out to that student. Life isn’t easy, is it?
Loxodonta on June 16, 2009 at 10:11 PM
With regard to Petraeus and Iraq, that is very likely true. Remember also, just for another example, that Patton had no great love for the Russians, to put it mildly, whom we supplied and who were helpful in defeating Germany and in fact thought a lot less of them than he did the Germans.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 10:12 PM
All I know is that not everyone there is a fan of the Mullahs, or the Ayat’allah, etc, etc.
Many are, maybe most, but not all.
blatantblue on June 16, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Oh please…. When he ran for Prime Minister in the 80′s he publicly executed thousands of young people who opposed him. Not one or two, thousands and hung them from the lamp posts in front of the Iranian congress.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Of course, Patton wanted to kick the sh!t out of the Russkies after the war!
progressoverpeace on June 16, 2009 at 10:14 PM
“The term “nationalism” is generally used to describe two phenomena: (1) the attitude that the members of a nation have when they care about their national identity and (2) the actions that the members of a nation take when seeking to achieve (or sustain) self-determination.”
-Source, Stanford encyclopedia of Philosophy.
Doesn’t sound sick, when you use the actual meaning of the word.
Words mean things.
massrighty on June 16, 2009 at 10:15 PM
What an understatement that is – not very reliable. Utterly unreliably and changeable if the Great Wiki agrees with it. Good for maybe looking up bugs but nothing to do with history or politics.
Sporty1946 on June 16, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Sorry, no challenge here at all. My Great-grandfather, my Grandfather my Father my Step-father and two of my brothers served in the US Military. I would much rather see the Iranians kill themselves than one single more US Military person have to risk their life against any Iranian.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM
And, is not accepted as source material for high school research (at least in the school my kids attended.)
It’s not even close to reliable.
massrighty on June 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM
I don’t trust them all either, but then, hell, I don’t trust the French! Well, only to a point. I sure don’t trust the Iraqis and the Afghans and we are sure supporting them with Blood and Treasure. I would agree that we probably don’t want to marry the Iranian protesters.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Nope. Obamagrade: Needs work. Try harder.
Your suggestion is simply not Obamacentric. You really need to improve your fawning and groveling if you’re ever going to get a job in this administration. Unless, of course, you have lots of cash you’d like to donate.
Loxodonta on June 16, 2009 at 10:19 PM
That could be used to describe most of America these days.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Cough cough… He’s already in the Obamanation….
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Huh?
Loxodonta on June 16, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Brilliant! Save this; you can use it again, I’m sure.
massrighty on June 16, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Exactly. We also sided with the Nazi bureaucracy in West Germany when the Soviets got uppity. Patton wanted to take the reds then and there.
We also supported underground movements in Communist nations that were some nasty customers that had American blood on their hands and the world keeps turning.
Man if this country went around exterminating everyone that hated us one) I have no doubt we could probably do it and two) there wouldn’t be many people left on the planet three) we wouldn’t be the US.
I think its beyond smart to support these Iranian students with assistance and weapons even if they turn on us… for 3 reasons 1) they are fighting people that have killed our own. enemy of my enemy 2) its not fair that one side has guns and the other does not 3) we should… you know… stand by our words about freedom if we want to be a global player – I mean (Obama the dirtbag) went to Cairo and said we stood for freedom didn’t he? Guess those were just words. or did he think that people free themselves from autocratic regimes with good intentions…not.
elduende on June 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Good grief have you SEEN some of the protest babes??? Gorgeous women. Good lord. I disagree about that marrying Iranian protesters…LOL!
elduende on June 16, 2009 at 10:27 PM
You could pretty much say the same thing about the Iraqis. In fact, I myself have said that, to a lesser degree, about the Iraqis in the past and hence have not wanted the U.S. to keep staying in Iraq sacrificing Blood and Treasure for them. Ditto, Afghanistan. Although it may not be saying a huge amount, I think there are probably more advanced thinking people in Iran than in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hell, probably half the people in the U.S. don’t believe much, if at all, in democracy and freedom anymore.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 10:30 PM
To quote Henry Kissinger with regard to the Iraq/Iran war: “It’s a pity they can’t both lose.”
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 10:32 PM
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