Video: Pence calls on Obama to support Iranian protesters
posted at 8:49 pm on June 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
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A lovely sentiment, and I agree that The One can and should be doing more to focus media attention on horrors like this, especially with Gibbs stupidly insisting that our concerns about Iran are the same this week as last week. Still, I don’t like the idea of a congressional resolution to make Obama choose sides. Foreign policy is the president’s prerogative and the president’s decided to play this low key; a resolution would make headlines in Iran and destroy his ability to do that. It’s strategically risky, too, insofar as the clerics and the army haven’t decided which way to go yet. The regime’s on the defensive now with eminent Iranians like Montazeri coming out against them; doubtless Rafsanjani’s lobbying some leading mullahs too, possibly with an eye to removing Khamenei. If the U.S. gets involved, it lets Ahmadinejad change the subject and demagogue his opponents as doing the west’s bidding, which could tilt the fencesitters the other way. The best thing we can do to avert another Tiananmen, I think, is to stress how appalling the abuses have already been so that whatever comes next will seem that much more monstrous by comparison. No one, whether inside or outside Iran, will fault The One for doing that. So how about it, Barry?
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Thank you. Bolton is usually worth reading. Unfortunately he’s not mentioned in either of the links I found from your post. Timmerman quotes the official iranian news agency and:
Some Iranian emigrees speaking on pjtv don’t think that Moussavi is necessarily much better than Ahmadinejad but believe that he may be somewhat more reasonable as his backing is the people more than the mullahs.
The NYT article on the Ahmadenijad/Moussavi debate referenced in your link notes:
His crowds look much more peaceful than Ahmadenijad’s thugs.
gh on June 16, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Heh. I don’t trust them at all. I don’t know of any allies the French ever had that the French didn’t stab in the back eventually, usually for some very minor payoff.
Speaking of which, The Precedent’s decision to let the French back into a full NATO membership was another one of his really dumb moves. I couldn’t believe that, when I heard it.
Yes. I have no problem with alliances of temporary interest. I would support the protesters in Iran, only to keep that country in turmoil (which is what The Precedent should do). But I am still much more interested in taking advantage of the situation to do the work, taking out their nuke industry, that needs to be done (and I very much think that we have to seize the oil and gas fields, there, since that is the source of Iran’s threats).
But, as I said earlier, I think that the what is first called for by The Precedent is an apology to America for his idiotic babbling about how Achmadinejad and Co deserved American diplomacy, without preconditions, as if they could be reasoned with. What is happening now is clear and unequivocal evidence that sitting across the table from those folks would have just been an invitation to be raped. And he should also throw in an apology for stupidly saying, last week, that they have a “right” to nuke technology.
progressoverpeace on June 16, 2009 at 10:32 PM
This list was being passed around among the resistance in Iran today:
1. Remove Khamenei from supreme leader because he doesn’t qualify as a fair supreme leader
2. Remove Ahmadinejad from president because he took it forcefully and unlawfully
3. Put Ayatollah Montazeri as supreme leader until a review group for the ghanooneh asasi ( “constitution” ) is set up
4. Recognize Mousavi as the official president
5. A goverment by Mousavi and start a reform of the constitution
6. Free all political prisoners without any ifs ands or buts, right away
7. Call off any secret organization such as “gasht ershad”
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Are you suffering any delusions what-so-ever regarding what is going to happen when Iran finally obtains nuclear weapons?
Are you in any way shape or form confused about whether or not these students fully support the complete destruction of Israel and the United States?
Are you really so damn stupid that you would give aid and comfort to someone who has sworn an oath before their God to kill you and destroy everything you stand for?
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Exactly. If you can’t get behind supporting the students because you believe in their cause you could look at it as realpolitik. You help the weaker side to hurt the stronger side and they bleed each other. But regardless of your motivations in the end the students get to fight back and the despicable regime gets bled.
We did that to the Germans and the Soviets in WW2. We did not open a western front in Europe until Stalin was in secret negotiations with the Germans to surrender.
elduende on June 16, 2009 at 10:39 PM
If they would just change condition 4, I’d be with them 100%.
4. Recognize Barack Hussein Obama as the official president and immediately bring him to Iran to serve his lifetime term.
progressoverpeace on June 16, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Haven’t seen that mentioned anywhere. I remember those incidents in the news but I don’t remember that he, in particular, was responsible.
Khomeini had much more power then Khamanei does and most atrocities were attributed to Khomeini as far as I remember.
gh on June 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM
John Bolton was on Greta tonight and said the number was 7000.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Are you following the events on the ground there?
“Today, at least 2 million came only relying on word of mouth while reformists have no newspaper, no radio, no TV. All their internet sites are filtered as well as social networks such as facebook. Text messaging and mobile communication was also cut off during the demonstration. Since yesterday, the Iranian TV was announcing that there is no license for any gathering and riot police will severely punish anybody who may demonstrates. Ahmadinejad called the opposition as a bunch of insignificant dirt who try to make the taste of victory bitter to the nation. He also called the western leaders as a bunch of ‘filthy homosexuals’. All these disgusting remarks was today answered by that largest demonstration ever. Older people compared the demonstration of today with the Ashura Demonstration of 1979 which marks the downfall of the Shah regime and even said that it outnumbered that event. The militia burnt a house themselves to find the excuse to commit violence. People neutralized their tactic to a large degree by their solidarity, their wisdom and their denial to enage in any violent act. I feel sad for the loss of those young girls and boys. It is said that they also killed 3 students last night in their attack at Tehran University residence halls. I heard that a number of professors of Sharif University and AmirKabir University (Tehran Polytechnic) have resigned. Democracy is a long way ahead. I may not be alive to see that day. With eyes full of tear in these early hours of Tuesday 16th June 2009, I glorify the courage and bravery of those martyrs and I hope that their blood will make every one of us more committed to freedom, to democracy and to human rights. Viva Freedom, Viva Democracy, Viva Iran.”
http://americanfootprints.com/drupal/node/4456
We botched the 1979 Iranian revolution under that great idiot, Carter. The CIA sort of missed the fall of communism and here we are again screwing up an opportunity. I remember Carter in 1979 and Reagan when Poland revolted. I fear we are seeing Carter again in this foreign policy buffoon. An opportunity lost.
JIMV on June 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Cough….cough……
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 10:45 PM
I am in no doubt what will happen if Ahmadenijad is in charge. Moussavi is at least not a holocaust denier.
The more violent student faction supports Ahmadenijad.
Daniel Pipes wants Ahmadenijad to win so that the west is under no illusions about the regime. However, Obama is pretty delusional and the crowds supporting Moussavi appear to be much less violence-prone.
Lesser of two evils ?
gh on June 16, 2009 at 10:45 PM
I’m not questioning the number. You don’t have Bolton saying that Moussavi was responsible but I presume you are still implying that. Someone will probably post the video of Bolton at some point so I’ll see it when it comes up.
gh on June 16, 2009 at 10:48 PM
OK, let me give that a try.
My new Obama-centric belief system:
1) All roads start with Obama.
2) All roads end with Obama.
3) The Sun revolves around Obama.
4) The moon revolves around Obama.
5) The stars revolve around Obama.
6) If the United States does not keep Obama in office for at least 10 terms, the orbital stability of the Earth will become unbalanced and we will all fall into the sun.
Was that better?
I could start cheating on my income tax.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 10:48 PM
LOL. OK fair enough. I count you as “on board” with helping the students as long as they bleed each other. I’m on board with helping the students because they deserve to be able to defend themselves and because they may be on the level and because they will bleed the mullahs. We’re both happy. See how that works. We are happy. Students are happy. Iranian government is sad and bleeds for a while and hopefully changes. :-)
elduende on June 16, 2009 at 10:51 PM
No he is not… He just believes it is up to him to finish what Hitler started. Remember, Moussavi founded Hezbollah.
Ahmadinejad is not even the only guy in Iran’s oppressive Islamo-Fascist regime. He’s just one of them.
Mir Hossein Mousavi also has a bloodstained history with him. He served as Prime Minister for the Khomeinist regime from 1981-1989. He was well-liked by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Mousavi helped to found Hezbollah and is an accomplice to the crime of killing 30,000 political prisoners. Khomeini issued a fatwa that calls for the killing of Salman Rushdie for publishing his book “The Satanic Verses”. Mousavi called Salman Rushdie an “American mercenary” and supports Khomeini’s call to execute him.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 10:54 PM
There is nothing wrong with your coming life. Do not attempt to adjust your income. My teleprompter and I will control your income. If we wish to make you richer, we will lift up your income. If we wish to make you poorer, we will crush you with taxes. Do not attempt to live your own life. We will control your life. If we wish we can reduce your life to a living Hell, or sharpen it to Heavenly wonderfulness. We will control your ups. We will control your downs. For the next
four eight twelve sixteen twenty twenty four twenty eight thirty two thirty four thirty six thirty eightforty years, sit quietly and obediently and we will control all that you see, hear and feel. You are about to experience theclawawe andmiserymystery which reaches from the innerdeliriummind to THE OBAMA SOCIALIST NATION UNLIMITED!.- The One
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Bolton on Politico, yesterday.
Neocons say U.S. Should Be Aligned With Reformists in Iran. Quotes Bolton, Pipes, Ledeen and others (some whom I’ve not heard of before).
gh on June 16, 2009 at 10:56 PM
You haven’t said anything new here. In fact it weakens your case: “helped to found hezbollah”; “accomplice to the killing”; “well-liked by Khomeini”. He was prime-minister, a position of less importance than president and which was eliminated in 1989.
No-one thinks he’s an angel but Dinner Jacket is completely nuts.
gh on June 16, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Do you have the flu? Something else? You seem in a more cranky mood than usual.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 11:03 PM
MB4! MB4!
Don’t get on that ship!
The rest of the book, “To Serve Man,” it’s…
it’s a cook book!
Loxodonta on June 16, 2009 at 11:04 PM
That is the crux. better the devil you know …
OldEnglish on June 16, 2009 at 11:07 PM
The problem is that with the devil we know, the only answer is military action or being on the receiving end of a nuclear strike. Might as well take a chance with the other guy. He can’t be any worse.
gh on June 16, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Describing Obama’s approach as low key, as AP does, is not merely shoddy analysis, but moronic.
Obama refuses to lend verbal support to the people of Iran in their desire for some democratic reform because he doesn’t want to hurt his chances of sweet talking the mullahs and Ahmadinejad out of their nuclear ambitions. His thinking, such as it is, does not take into account two realities.
Firstly, there is no chance – none whatsoever- that he will talk the mullahs and Ahmadinejad out of forsaking nuclear weapons. Secondly, the only possible way of peacefully preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons is to replace the theocracy with some form of democratic government that is more interested in providing for its people than in menacing its neighbors.
The nascent revolution in Iran should be vigorously supported by all western nations. The arrogance and narcissism of Obama is standing in the way of progress. Ironically, he is against hope and change in Iran.
He’s a disgrace.
Basilsbest on June 16, 2009 at 11:13 PM
It has been said that no-one could be worse than Carter.
OldEnglish on June 16, 2009 at 11:15 PM
I think that any at all reasonable person should be able to admit that among those out in the streets of Iran there must be at least some who are for liberty/against tyranny.
Now, just which side do you think they are on, the Ahmadinejad side or the Mousavi side?
For those who have not shut the eyes of their mind, and are keeping them shut by force, the answer should be clear enough.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Either candidate sucks. It’s very hard for Muslim countries to have anything approaching democracy so I’m not very hopeful in the long term.
Here’s hoping.
Mojave Mark on June 16, 2009 at 11:18 PM
I believe you to be correct in your assessment of Obama, but naive as to the Iranians. They have no history of our values.
OldEnglish on June 16, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Carter’s still competing …
gh on June 16, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Bingo.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 11:20 PM
We don’t even have much of a history of our values anymore.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Perhaps, but do those few protesters also have their eyes closed to reality?
I mean, 52% of American voters sure did.
OldEnglish on June 16, 2009 at 11:21 PM
I think that most of them know that they are probably going to lose.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Exactly! That’s the biggest most cruel irony of all. The only “peaceful” way we are going to avoid an Iranian nuke is with regime change…However, Obama in his arrogance and inherent weakness is pursuing the one way that is guaranteed to lead to war.
elduende on June 16, 2009 at 11:23 PM
I surrender.
OldEnglish on June 16, 2009 at 11:23 PM
lol. I knew that I would get you with that one.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 11:27 PM
There is no defense against it.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Since yesterday, the Iranian TV was announcing that there is no license for any gathering and riot police will severely punish anybody who may demonstrates. Ahmadinejad called the opposition as a bunch of insignificant dirt who try to make the taste of victory bitter to the nation. He also called the western leaders as a bunch of ‘filthy homosexuals’. All these disgusting remarks was today answered by that largest demonstration ever. Older people compared the demonstration of today with the Ashura Demonstration of 1979 which marks the downfall of the Shah regime and even said that it outnumbered that event. The militia burnt a house themselves to find the excuse to commit violence. People neutralized their tactic to a large degree by their solidarity, their wisdom and their denial to enage in any violent act. I feel sad for the loss of those young girls and boys. It is said that they also killed 3 students last night in their attack at Tehran University residence halls. I heard that a number of professors of Sharif University and AmirKabir University (Tehran Polytechnic) have resigned. Democracy is a long way ahead. I may not be alive to see that day. With eyes full of tear in these early hours of Tuesday 16th June 2009, I glorify the courage and bravery of those martyrs and I hope that their blood will make every one of us more committed to freedom, to democracy and to human rights. Viva Freedom, Viva Democracy, Viva Iran.
MB4 on June 16, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Sign…. Actually believe it or not yes, I do have the flu. Been running a low grade fever for almost a week.
Aside from that perhaps you might remember I tend to get worked up when the subject of US Nationalism comes up. Something about the very minor fact that my family arrived in the America in the early 1600’s and someone in my family has served and died in every single military conflict in American history.
I haven’t forgiven the Iranians for anything they have done in the last 40 years, so I have zero sympathies for any Iranians at this time. Too much blood on their hands and not one single attempt at reconciliation. Maybe later but not now.
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Everyone pray for peace for the people of the religion of peace. Because if they are not at peace, that could weaken Islam and that would be sad.
Is there no way we could put swaths of these Iranian Muslims on some western financial tit? You can work wonders with Muslims with higher pay and better equipment I hear.
If it is just a small group of disenfranchised youths who have become misguided and hijacked a noble religion, how come so many institutions at the national level in Iran are considered to be on par with AQs actions and aspirations? Are we to believe this group of disaffected and alienated young grievance sufferers have hijacked all of Iran as well?
Are we being slightly schizophrenic about small fringes and entire nation states or what?
By all means airdrop in AKs, modular girls pron schools and all the spy squirrels available, just don’t ask them to stop fighting one another or ask for my pity and support for people who would be our owners or executioners.
BL@KBIRD on June 16, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Thanks for the update. Not clicking on AS or HP links but Ulrich has a couple of posts since the one you quoted.
Thanks for the explanation.
gh on June 16, 2009 at 11:52 PM
ernesto can call it sick nationalism all he wants, simple fact is I have relatives all across this country, a whole lot of relatives. He11, my dad lives in the house my great something or other bought in 1642.
Do you have any idea what it’s like to meet someone whose family has lived right across the street from your family for over 400 years?
doriangrey on June 16, 2009 at 11:58 PM
Here is an old story but the Iranian commenters are the best and brightest heroic Iranian students sent to Canada to get their education. Here are your freedom fighters.
BL@KBIRD on June 17, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Grandstanding simply doesn’t move me.
AnninCA on June 17, 2009 at 12:12 AM
That’s about what I expected. (I’ve seen and heard it all before, from other groups).
OldEnglish on June 17, 2009 at 12:19 AM
Quisling in Chief
Schadenfreude on June 17, 2009 at 1:23 AM
Even if the protesters in Iran are undeserving of sympathy, it’s still important for the POTUS to publicly assert America’s values and principles during situations like these. To be silent is a sign of weakness.
atheling on June 17, 2009 at 1:49 AM
You’re a cold person.
B Man on June 17, 2009 at 1:54 AM
Allah,
You seem squishier than usual today.
Isn’t it possible that the “fence-sitters” who are willing to buy Ahmadinejad’s propaganda that the West is pulling the strings, is equally outweighed by the possibility that such US support could tilt other Iranians toward a view of conciliation with the West?
Why do you preclude the clear possibility that such overt US support for the Iranian protestors might sway many, not away, but rather toward our position?…and that Obama’s recalcitrance is meekly forestalling a unique opportunity to influence millions of Iranians to continue to seek democracy?
But even a non-God-botherer like yourself would concede that it’s at least inconsistent–if not patent cowardice–that an Administration that prides itself on not letting a “crisis go to waste” regarding its domestic agenda, is apparently unconcerned about one in which this country’s interests at large–and the future of millions of Iranians–might be advanced.
T.Marcell on June 17, 2009 at 2:01 AM
Allah, very good post. I agree with your understanding of the situation at hand and how it should put forth. This is the administration call and trying to pass legislation in congress at this point sends a mixed message to Iran. Fallout and backlash on our already inept congress will result. Give it a forum to express that we are for the people and nothing else. Depose the violence and recognize that the world is watching. Kind of a U.N. thing. HA HA but I am not laughing.
Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 2:14 AM
So? We have an idiot in the White House. He’s screwing everything up. He likes to do that. He doesn’t carry America’s interests in his policies and views. I hope someone represents America.
From whom?
You hit on the bolded part. Now think about that soberly, without even contemplating laughing. It’s not pretty and it’s not in our interests.
progressoverpeace on June 17, 2009 at 2:26 AM
Obama can’t say a WORD about free and open elections ANYWHERE after seizing the census and ACORN.
nelsonknows on June 17, 2009 at 2:28 AM
At least some in Congress have the balls to tell it like it is and stand up for Freedom.
Good luck Iran.
We support you. I only wish we could march with you.
Yakko77 on June 17, 2009 at 2:47 AM
How many deaths of unarmed Iranians will it take for you to be moved? Or, will it take a nuclear armed Iran?
I know! A 2010 advertisement against Democrats and the Obama administration appeasing Iranian tyrants and staring Hillary in a blue pant suit.
Like this.
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 2:59 AM
This is the administration call and trying to pass legislation in congress at this point sends a mixed message to Iran.
So? We have an idiot in the White House. He’s screwing everything up. He likes to do that. He doesn’t carry America’s interests in his policies and views. I hope someone represents America.
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Let’s just go with what I like to call the “Cairo speech” effect. This is the Obama adminstrations call hence; the Obama Doctrine. He owns it and only he will be accountable for it. Not the people of America..
Fallout and backlash on our already inept congress will result.
From whom?
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First of all, proposing legislation just shows how stupid congress is and where it will have little effect on outcome of what the president will actually say or do. That legislation will go nowhere. Hence again, it is a waste of time..
Give it a forum to express that we are for the people and nothing else. Depose the violence and recognize that the world is watching. Kind of a U.N. thing. HA HA but I am not laughing.
Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 2:14 AM
You hit on the bolded part. Now think about that soberly, without even contemplating laughing. It’s not pretty and it’s not in our interests.
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Don’t be an a@@, my statement stands less the HA HA part which evidently you didn’t see the irony of the similarity of posititions as I will elaborate next. Congress & the U.N. are fectless on these matters, whereby the resposiblity of foreign policy lies with CIC. I am well aware of (CIC) his ability of “screwing the pooch” on everything he does so let’s let him prove himself once again to the world stage. BTW, what do think is in our best interest at this foreign situation. What is it that we the people can or should DO?
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Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 3:34 AM
We can speak out against tyranny, brutality and suppression whenever we see it. In this case, in Iran. And so can the Congress in a non-binding resolution.
The president may be willing to send a message of appeasement to the world’s dictators that it’s okay to brutalize unarmed civilians and that they can get talks without any pre-conditions, even if they are building nuclear weapons and threatening to blow an ally off the map. But the American people, through our representatives in Congress, might make those tyrants think twice before they act, and we can set a standard of behavior that we can test and expect to be achieved for our leaders.
And if the Congress refuses to pass such a resolution or the president fails such a test, there may well be consequences in 2010.
Poooooooooooooooow widdew Bawwy.
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 3:55 AM
And if the Congress refuses to pass such a resolution or the president fails such a test, there may well be consequences in 2010.
Poooooooooooooooow widdew Bawwy.
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 3:55 AM
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I am looking forward to the consequences. This is what has been lacking from the American public since January of 2007.
The American public for the most part have been manipulated by the MSM and now the STATE RUN MEDIA. What does a resolution do at this point? Congress has the power to declare war and anything less than that is pure posturing.
This situation falls directly on the shoulders of the POTUS and HIS foreign policies. The “OBAMA DOCTRINE” for the midde east must either be adhered to or amended. Thus far, congress has given him everything he wants, so unless there is a drastic sea change with our current membership in congress as for the consequences, well we will just have to deal with them as this situation plays itself out.
Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 4:29 AM
congress and as for the
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I forgot “AND”
Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 4:32 AM
The only “fence sitter” I see is Obama. In a totalitarian state you are either an oppressor or oppressed. Good for Mike Pence for doing what Reagan or GW would have done.
davo on June 17, 2009 at 5:13 AM
After reading 3 different twitter logs, good God, the reaction from the left is sickening.
I stand by saying their Generation ME. They’re not all stupid (some are), but they seem to be extremely selfish.
Plus they’re educated by the public schools.
Thank GOD these kids weren’t who we depended on in WWII.
How, HOW do you know what’s going on in Iran and not have it get you PISSED what Obama is or isn’t saying?
What kind of people are they?
Shootings, beatings, people wanting freedom, almost ALL forms of communication being completely cut off…
This is what leftists were screaming about for the last 8 years, and now it’s actually really happening in Iran, and their reaction is, well…that’s…..a shame…
Good God.
B Man on June 17, 2009 at 5:31 AM
Have you considered the possible ramifications of:
– Republicans making repeated public statement that have overwhelming support from voters, only to be either voted down by Democrats and ignored by Obama, or in defiance of Obama, gain enough support from Democrats to pass then be ignored by Obama?
– Republicans stand up, taking the posture of defenders of citizen’s to protest their government, while Obamaocrats bend over, taking the posture of ignoring the suppression of free speech and appeasing the suppressors?
– Giving Obama a wedgie?
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 5:40 AM
– Giving Obama a wedgie?
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 5:40 AM
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You have gotten a sincere LOL about the wedgie remark.
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I have no problem with the Republican resistance being brought forth. Hopefully Americans are hearing them. Yet, rollig back the tide of the Obama wave lies in the Democrat side of the house. Will the Democrats see that the path they are going down will lead to their own ruin? Who knows? Evidently our current batch of Democrats would rather follow down the path of appeasement and socialism than fight for the freedom of others and capitalism. It is a very same time for America and the U.S. Constitutional values. Rush Linbaugh said today that our country (according to a gallop poll) is 40% R, 27% D & 36 I was the break down. I know it doesn’t add up to 100% but I am guessing the other people responding were undecided.
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We know how we got here. Now things like all others things in play must come about to their own fruition. Keep praying that some day soon that Obama will have start picking his rearend to pull his underware out of his butt “a la the wedgie”.
Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 6:14 AM
Forgive the spelling & missed a’s & the’s
Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 6:16 AM
I’m surprised about the D 27%.
Obama won by almost a landslide. And he’s only been in 6 months, with the MSM in his back pocket, and only 27% are “D’s”??
Wow; 6 months into Obama’s term and the d’s are in 3rd place.
B Man on June 17, 2009 at 6:25 AM
First I want to know about all the insincere LOLs I have gotten.
Then, if you really want to give Obama a wedgie, you need to find him bending over, grab hold of the loose material, and yank it hard. This will place a big smile in the cheeks.
In other words, every time an issue arises where Obama is bending over, yank hard. Then smile and the world will smile with you.
On Iran, there is a fundamental liberties issue on which he is loose. Yank it hard. There are also a national, Israeli and international issues on which he is bending over. Yank them hard.
Look for every issue where the public favors Republican issues and where Obama is bent over or loose. The economy? The national debt? National security? Corruption? Yank hard. Then smile, and the world will smile with you. And votes may well follow.
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 6:40 AM
That’s not exactly what Gallop said:
“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group
Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 6:46 AM
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 6:46 AM
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I stand corrected on the gallop poll. I much prefer the conservitive reference to republican anyway. I must have heard or remembered wrong. Must have been half asleep or not playing close enough attention.
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BTW, on the subject of an insincere lol, If you watch a WH press conference with the President when trying to be funny or telling a lame efforted joke and he gets a laugh out loud, then there my friend is an example of an insincere lol.
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BTW2, as for myself, I only give a lol to comments that actually make me laugh out loud. I can speak for no one other than myself though. Perhaps another ED M. poll would be appropriate to appease your curiousity on this matter.
Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 7:10 AM
Are looking for a kittens’ stocking?
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 7:16 AM
Forget it world, the U.S. isn’t simply a paper tiger . . . it’s a sick, frail, frightened hamster led by a cowering incompetent.
rplat on June 17, 2009 at 7:20 AM
Are looking for a kittens’ stocking?
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 7:16 AM
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I am not familiar with that term. Please tell me, what is a K stocking?
Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 7:25 AM
“She’s” not a person. She’s the head commissar of the Donna Reed brigade of Axelrod trolls. They pose as mild women who wouldn’t hurt a fly. “Ann” is the banality of evil personified–more dangerous than most we’ve seen on HA. Think Cindy Sheehan.
JiangxiDad on June 17, 2009 at 7:26 AM
A sock on the puss.
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 7:31 AM
A sock on the puss.
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 7:31 AM
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Wow, I sure know what it is now. You know you better be careful. The DHS is looking for people who can change what a statement really means to a statement cloaked in niceness. For example; “A Terrorist” is now a “Man Caused Disaster” kind of thing. Are you looking for a new line of work or something?
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Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 7:40 AM
Yes.
Things are not paying off very well here, with lots of trolls in the middle of the night. One set of interactions on the The GOP would have more credibility … Thread was very strange.
And then, working in the hermitage is often a pain.
If you have any suggestions, please let me know.
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 7:55 AM
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 7:55 AM
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The GOP thread? I’ll be right over.
Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 8:06 AM
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 7:55 AM
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epistolary:
You are a writer in the form of or carried on by letters or correspondence are you not? Just take to the next step.
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Lox, pick a subject and write a book. Your a wonderful writer. This is what I would persue if I had your gift.
Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 8:34 AM
Gee, foreign policy didn’t seem to be Reagan’s purvue when Congress enacted the Boland Amendment in the 80’s. There was a big noisy fuss about that. Go, Mike Pence! Make some noise. We’ve been waiting for you Repubs to stand up and be counted.
BetseyRoss on June 17, 2009 at 8:44 AM
Gee, foreign policy didn’t seem to be Reagan’s purvue when Congress enacted the Boland Amendment in the 80’s. There was a big noisy fuss about that. Go, Mike Pence! Make some noise. We’ve been waiting for you Repubs to stand up and be counted.
BetseyRoss on June 17, 2009 at 8:44 AM
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You are trying to prove a point by using the Boland Amendment. Which was dampening the efforts to helping the cause of freedom. Where in this case Pence is persuing the opposite in initiating the perchances of freedoms for the oppressed peoples of Iran. Try another one. This one does not support your argument. History will show that the powers at the time considered the Bolton Amendmendment to be unconstitutional to wit.
Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 9:20 AM
It has to be a non-binding resolution. It cannot and should not be a law. Just a statement of the majority of opinions of the members of both chambers on this issue.
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 9:25 AM
Loxodonta on June 17, 2009 at 9:25 AM
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I am aware of that. Again as I have said before, this is all to be well within the realm of warmy goodness and is still posturing by congress. I just don’t think there will be a majority of opinions of the members of both chambers on this issue.
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BTW, went to the GOP thread you mentioned. Keep on eye on that robertnyc guy. That one is a wierdo.
Americannodash on June 17, 2009 at 9:42 AM
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