Video: ObamaCare an “Old Joke”; Update: Cost now $1.6 trillion; Update: $4 trillion?
posted at 4:25 pm on June 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Conservatives for Patients Rights launches a new ad out today, urging Americans to oppose the government takeover of health care. Rick Scott, who heads the organization, says that spending a trillion dollars to “control costs” is essentially an oxymoron:
John McCain tells ABC News that the pricetag is too much and that the Democrats need to start over:
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz, called on President Obama and Democrats in Congress to “scrap the current [healthcare] bill and start over.”
McCain pointed to a nonpartisan cost estimate of $1 trillion over ten years for the major portion of healthcare reform suggested in a bill floated by Sen. Edward Kennedy’s Health Committee and said the cost was too high for American taxpayers, especially since the nonpartisan review foresaw $23 million would lose their current insurance plans under the proposal.
“How we going to pay for that, Mr. President.,” asked McCain on the senate floor. “How are we going to pay for that?”
The cost estimate for the Kennedy committee bill was prepared by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO), which is also preparing a separate cost estimate for a different healthcare reform proposal being prepared by the Senate Finance Committee.
“The CBO letter should be a wakeup call for all of us to scrap the current bill and start over,” said McCain. “Start over in a true bipartisan fashion,” said McCain, although his idea for healthcare reform would not find much support among Democrats.
McCain also scoffed at the White House’s attempt to distance itself from the Kennedy bill after the CBO made the costs public. “Where’s the administration’s plan?” McCain demanded. Probably in the same place as the funding for it — nowhere.
Update: According to King Banaian, the $1 trillion figure is how much ObamaCare will add to the deficit. The cost is $1.3 trillion — and rising.
Update II: Actually, HA reader Geoff A notes that King’s too optimistic:
Senate sources say the latest cost estimates for health care legislation are around $1.6 trillion over 10 years. Two Senate staffers, one Democratic and one Republican, said Congressional Budget Office estimates put the cost of the Finance Committee version of the bill at around $1.6 trillion.
A third staffer, a Finance Committee Democratic aide, indicated committee members are working to lower the cost to less than $1 trillion over 10 years, a level preferred by the Obama administration.
Preferred? Ugh.
Update III: Philip Klein says it will be $4 trillion, if a public plan gets put into place (via Michelle). Reminds me of Medicare Part D projections ….








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no more mccain.
moonbatkiller on June 16, 2009 at 4:26 PM
There…that sounds less RINOish to me.
Dr. ZhivBlago on June 16, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz, called on President Obama and Democrats in Congress to “scrap the current [healthcare] bill
and start over.”Tazz 55 on June 16, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Missed by that much
Tazz 55 on June 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Good question. Toss it back at em’ since Obama has repeatedly called the GOP the party of “no” and asked where our plan is.
Administration of no? Where’s your plan, Obama, where’s your damn plan.
BacaDog on June 16, 2009 at 4:32 PM
At least McCain can credibly rebut the Dems favorite strawman argument (“others want us to do nothing!”)
LASue on June 16, 2009 at 4:32 PM
$3,300 per person for health care over 10 years.
$3,300 per person for “stimulus”.
$6,000 per person for 2010 budget.
I think I am way over my campaign contribution limits.
WashJeff on June 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM
I heard from today that Obama is cutting medicare and social security to try and pay for this. That is so ridiculous. It is still money down a rat hole, only it will be a bigger rat hole.
Terrye on June 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM
There is not a crisis in healthcare. This is invented by Obama, yet again. What needs to be done is three things: Tort Reform, portability of policies (less State by State Control and regs) and reforming MEDICARE/MEDICAID. Get rid of the recent increase of SCHIP. This is just a grab by Obama to get control of people so he can tell them what they have to eat and how far they need to walk and ride a bike. WE HAVE TO FIGHT THIS.
suzyk on June 16, 2009 at 4:35 PM
McCain to backtrack in 5…4…3…
mankai on June 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM
You realize what the answer is right? A Congressional Budget Office Czar!! No more pesky cost estimates!
Wine_N_Dine on June 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Administration of NO.
promachus on June 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM
I kind of DO want them to do nothing, actually. I am sick and tired of government hijacking issues and turning them into civil rights or some crisis they need to manage. SICK of it. STAY OUT.
Mommypundit on June 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM
We’re gonna need a bigger debt clock.
lorien1973 on June 16, 2009 at 4:38 PM
test
Akzed on June 16, 2009 at 4:38 PM
You miss the beauty of the plan… we’ll all be in the rat hole together, not just the elderly and the indigent.
myrenovations on June 16, 2009 at 4:38 PM
The slightly less Progressive is complaining about the bigger Progressive’s progressiveness?
LMAO
Weebork on June 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Administration of NO CLUE.
johnnybgood on June 16, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Tick Tock.
portlandon on June 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM
All of this scares the SCHIP out of me.
txag92 on June 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Obama is such a coward he goes out of his way to distance himself from Kennedy and his bill.
Iran? Spineless.
Healthcare proposal? Spineless.
Israel? Spineless.
Obama never met a fence he wouldn’t straddle.
He’s looking awfully weak lately. Time to go on vacation so the world can admire him.
jdflorida on June 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM
I just asked this question this morning. Obama said to the AMA, “to make healthcare affordable, we will need to SPEND 1 trillion over the next 10 yr…”
Does that sound as absurd to everyone else as it does to me?
JAM on June 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Can’t post quote from cnsnews?
Tried five times.
Major news outlets expunge Obooba quote to AMA about single payer plans work pretty well in some other countries.
Akzed on June 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Can you imagine how Ted Kennedy will feel when this healthcare abomination goes down in flames? So much for Camelot 2 and the Kennedy legacy. Call it Sickaquidick.
EMD on June 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Implement the fair tax, pass a constitutional amendment nullifying the 16th amendment. Do away with capital gains taxes, estate taxes, etc. Watch the economy skyrocket and let everyone purchase their own health coverage, which they could them afford. Simple, really.
jimmy2shoes on June 16, 2009 at 4:47 PM
I am all for “doing nothing” too (except maybe some fixes to Medicare), but I don’t think that message will get very far with the masses who have been convinced there is a healthcare crisis.
LASue on June 16, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Once a government plan is in place the game is over. From that point on the only debate is on how to ‘improve’ a system which is losing money, rationing care and losing the professionals needed to make it work.
The system is not even in place and there is talk about reducing the frequency and number of certain tests which are expensive, like MRIs. There is a good argument to study some of these questions but in the current context it is only the start of the arguments about the non necessary hip replacements for the elderly etc. It’s a slippery slope for which Europe and Canada provide models.
Annar on June 16, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Akzed on June 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM
I was hoping HA would write about the AMA speech as I didn’t watch it. Therefore, can you explain your post? Thanks.
txag92 on June 16, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Start over and do what Juan? Add another $1T?
And hey wasn’t it you that said Obama is a decent man and we have nothing to fear with him as president?
Go away you old senile douchebag, PUHleeze.
angryed on June 16, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Any doctor that supports Obama’s plan deserves worse than what the public is going to get; which is slow death by disease.
The doctors have been FIGHTING to have MRI’s, CT’s and ultrasound tests covered as preventative as well as diagnostic medicine, and this jackoff wants to cut that at the same time saying he wants to provide superior care for 47 million MORE people when there will be droves of doctors leaving the field precisely because of his idiotic socialist garbage?
Screw this lying jerk. If the GOP doesn’t crucify Obama over this mess, then the GOP deserves to wither and fade away into history.
Spiritk9 on June 16, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Kind of like the bankrupt debtor going into the bank and asking for a loan for a new startup business that will payoff in 10 years, and even though it will cost money in the interim he doesn’t have, it is a necessary for the bank to lend the money Right Now!. Makes no sense.
txmomof6 on June 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM
I bet McCain would jump on board if Obama promised to pay for some of ObamaCare with cuts in Pork spending. It’s a gateway drung, you know.
myrenovations on June 16, 2009 at 4:57 PM
I’m from your Nationalized Federation of Health Care Bureaucrats and I’m here to help you cut through all the Doctor gobbledegook and tell you that you don’t have a prayer.
I’m from your Expanded Medicare Entitlement Office and I’m here to help you understand that your government insurance fund has become unsustainable and is no more.
I’m from your Single Payer Insurance Corporation of the U.S. Government and I’m here to help you adapt to your Dear Leader’s commands.
I’m from your Brown Shirt Americorp Force and I’m here to help you shut up and get in line or be exterminated.
Christian Conservative on June 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Don’t forget the $600Billion “downpayment” from stimulus.
youngO on June 16, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Good! Senator Clueless advising Presidente Clueless who by the way would still be Senator clueless had the first Senator Clueless lived up to his word to fight, fight, fight!
McCain shut up and give me my $50.00 back so I can send it to Sarah it was meant for her in the first place.
EEEEECH! TERM LIMITS FOR ALL LEGISLATIVE, EXECUTIVE, JUDICIARY
dhunter on June 16, 2009 at 5:02 PM
As an independent businessman providing my own healthcare insurance for me and my family, I can report the situation is a disaster. Decent insurance is wildly expensive even with a large deductable. The rates go up steadily every year, and for the last 10 years, I have spent more for my health insurance than my house payment. I have never filed a claim.
Heaven forbid if anyone in my family had a health condition. I have tried 3 different providers in the last 10 years, and all three continuously went up.
The game is, they start a new pool. Over time, the healthy people change companies because of the continuous price increases and the “discount rates” incentives for new insurance plans (pools). Then the percentage of sick people in the pool goes up over time, and the cost reflects it.
Once you get sick, you can’t flip companies because of pre existing conditions, so you are stuck with an ever increasing bill.
Even with insurance, if you get in a car wreck, you could still be financially ruined. Someting like CO-OPs would be a vast improvement, but who really wants to take on the headaches of managing one if there is no money in it?
saiga on June 16, 2009 at 5:02 PM
CBO, and McCain, you have 24 hours to resign, or be fired!!!
capejasmine on June 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM
No newspaper has reported Odinglenuts’ remarks saying single payer health systems work really well, in spite of quoting verbatim the preceding and following sentences.
Need I say more?
mr.blacksheep on June 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about the real reasons for skyrocketing health care costs – LAWYERS! Malpractice suits, the extremely high cost of malpractice insurance, and doctors having to cover their a**es by doing every test they can think of so that they may avoid malpractice suits if treatment is not successful are the main reasons our healthcare costs are so high. But trial lawyers are big donors to the democreeps, so I guess none of them are going to discuss this. If we could get the courts out of medicine, health care would be much more affordable for all.
maryo on June 16, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Dear Leader specifically ruled out tort reform in his dreary spew in front of the AMA.
mr.blacksheep on June 16, 2009 at 5:08 PM
The plan for Obamacare must’ve been misplaced along with Obama’s plan to shut down Guantanamo Bay…..
Shock the Monkey on June 16, 2009 at 5:09 PM
One interesting comparison that Obama noted in the AMA speech was the costs of medical care between McAllen vs. El Paso. He said gee whiz they order more tests in McAllen than they do in El Paso, but they don’t improve care. We need to stop this because that is an inefficiency adding to the cost of healthcare.
He doesn’t realize it but he just endorsed the rationale for tort liability reform in the healthcare debate. I don’t have exact figures, but McAllen has a reputation in Texas as being a paradise for plaintiffs lawyers and over the top judgments.
Ya think doctors in McAllen might engage in a little defensive medicine?
txmomof6 on June 16, 2009 at 5:10 PM
The ad should explain that BHO is lying when he says he doesn’t want gov’t takeover. It should explain how gov’t plan will put private plans out of business.
jgapinoy on June 16, 2009 at 5:13 PM
OMG! I think you might be on to something there!
IF he does, I think there will be outrage.
freeus on June 16, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Need I say more?
mr.blacksheep on June 16, 2009 at 5:05 PM
That says it all. Thanks.
txag92 on June 16, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Obamacare Preventive Medicine Program
1. patient: Hey Doc–it hurts when I do this.
2. doctor: Don’t do that.
3. Cost $500
Obamacare Urology Program
1. patient: It burns when I pee
2. Doctor: stop peeing
3. Cost $750
Obamacare Dermatology Program
1. patient: Hey doc–take a look at this thing would ya?
2. Doctor: sure—– I see it.
3. patient: Well, whaddya think
4. Doctor: whaddya mean, what do I think? you just asked me to take a look at it. Well, I looked at it.
5. Cost: $1000
ted c on June 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM
How about a “public option” but with a guarantee that the public option will never amount to more than say 20% of all health care. Make this a constitutional amendment. Then I’d be on board.
angryed on June 16, 2009 at 5:23 PM
ted c on June 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM
You forgot that this will actually be spoken with an accent because under Obamacare as under the the British healthcare system most of the doctors will be foreigers imported to take up the shortage of American doctors that will result from the implementation of government run healthcare
txmomof6 on June 16, 2009 at 5:27 PM
All of this scares the SCHIP out of me.
txag92 on June 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM
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No SCHIP.
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I don’t give a SCHIP.
.
I not going to take anymore of this SCHIP either.
Americannodash on June 16, 2009 at 5:28 PM
Time for a state to enact a radically low cap on exemplary damages for medical malpractice cases, advertise the hell out of that as public policy and watch the inflow of employers and medical services.
Barnestormer on June 16, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Should for that psychlogical number $999.95 Billion. It sounds so much less than $1 Trillion, the sheep will buy it.
WashJeff on June 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM
There is an updates price? It jumped $300 billion since this was written.
myrenovations on June 16, 2009 at 5:34 PM
“We need to rape the American people with bipartisan comprehensive health care, but let’s back out for now and add some lubricant first to ease the friction and turn the screams into a whimper”- John McCain
Fletch54 on June 16, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Of course, we all know what really needs to be done. Why is it that nobody is willing to say it?
First, the current system needs to eject the people that should not be drawing from it. IE; non citizens. When they come for their free medical care, they are then escorted to the border or the airport, whichever is appropriate.
Second, stop the lawsuits for hangnails for a million per occurrence. If you go to the doctor with a condition and he treats you under an accepted treatment method, you have no case. Everything else is up for grabs, but on a personal level (meaning you sue the doctor, not his practice).
Third, leave the private insurance the hell alone.
Fourth, drug companies must be forced to dovorce the risk or research from the profit of the medicine that research provides. If it’s too expensive to research, then by god, other things need a cost reduction don’t they. Stop charging a billion bullion for a new fangled asprin.
Medicaid and medicare need to be properly funded to cover those that cannot afford basic insurance. This means removing the graft from the liberal system to allow covering 23 million more people. Awww, poor liberal pork diversionary programs down the tubes…sob sob.
There are a few common sense approached guaranteed to save a trillion over ten years without r@ping the public and eviscerating their rights. Would Obama do this? NO. Why? Because this is not about medical care, insurance or anything else, it’s about tyrannical fascist control over every dime and every minute spent in the USA. The fascist in chief wants it all, and if it means blood, you are the ones that are going to spill it.
Now sit there and take it if you are that lazy, but you will deserve every minute of it if you do.
Spiritk9 on June 16, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Apparently Missouri, I think, did something along those lines, and had excellent results.
mr.blacksheep on June 16, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Medicare is specifically for the elderly (>65), who generally need MORE health care than younger, generally healthier people. So Obama wants to cut benefits to elderly people who need the care to pay for government insurance for the uninsured, some of whom are VOLUNTARILY uninsured because they’re young and healthy! Then the Government gets to decide whether Grandma gets an operation or a funeral.
Robbing the poor (in health) to pay the rich. Charity, Chicago style.
Steve Z on June 16, 2009 at 5:41 PM
NO.
This established health care as a right. It’s not a right.
People work for their pay. They spend their pay padding their risks against disease by buying health care that will assist them in avoiding or curing the diseases.
Those that cannot afford it have public funding available to them, and illegals are or should be excluded from this.
To pretend the health insurance is not available is disingenuous at best. Better management of the public funding for those that need it, and forcing those that can’t afford it to take it instead of avoiding it and using emergency rooms, as well as addressing excessive cost in research and testing is all that is needed.
Everything else is a fascist power grab, for which the powers that be will end up paying a big price. Their fascism will not stand for long.
Spiritk9 on June 16, 2009 at 5:46 PM
A.K.A. Social Justice, Obama Style.
Daggett on June 16, 2009 at 5:48 PM
1.6 trillion over ten years. This is a joke, but not the way you think.
It’s going to cost more like 11.6 trillion over ten years, and you saps and lemmings are going to pay every penny while making meak whimpers then submitting your tax forms like a good little obama child lemming.
Tell me I’m wrong.
Spiritk9 on June 16, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Injuries from car crashes are covered by your auto insurance.
Check your policy.
cs89 on June 16, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Looks like $1.6 trillion over 10 years might be a bargain. Consider this:
“Health Systems Innovations Network, a consulting group, went ahead and estimated the full cost of a bill that included the subsidies and Medicaid expansion, and reduced the number of uninsured by 99 percent. With these assumptions, they estimated the cost at a staggering $4 trillion over 10 years”
(from AmSpecBlog).
AZCoyote on June 16, 2009 at 5:55 PM
That wouldn’t work, but one “public option” that might work is to restrict access to the “public option” to those below a certain income level, calculated based on (family income / people in household). That way, middle-income and wealthy people would not be tempted to drop private and/or employer-paid health-care for the “public option”, and private insurance would not be priced out of the market.
Another possible reform would be to allow both individuals and corporations to shop for health-care insurance across state lines, so that workers in highly-regulated states with high insurance costs could seek cheaper insurance in less-regulated states.
Another possibility would be to allow professional associations of people in small businesses of a given type to shop for insurance as a group, to get better rates by spreading the risk. The association could then bill the individual subscribers for the insurance on a pro rata basis.
Steve Z on June 16, 2009 at 5:57 PM
I’m sure the Kennedy family would pick up the tab for the health care bill.
Hahahahahahaha………………
GarandFan on June 16, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Another updated price?
By the time ABC gets this thing it will be the entire US budget.
myrenovations on June 16, 2009 at 6:06 PM
TexasDan on June 16, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Let’s see how many of McCain’s democrat socialists friends stand with him.
SouthernGent on June 16, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about the real reasons for skyrocketing health care costs –
LAWYERS!20-40 million illegal aliens sucking the system dry.There fixed it for ya.
Bulldogger on June 16, 2009 at 6:22 PM
A third staffer, a Finance Committee Democratic aide, indicated committee members are working to lower the cost to less than $1 trillion over 10 years, a level preferred by the Obama administration.
exactly what does this mean? make it the shittiest plan possible so oboobi can shove it through.
SHARPTOOTH on June 16, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Don’t want to be caught defending lawyers here, but I believe that malpractice costs are still a very small part of overall healthcare costs, and the incidence of claims is fairly stable. Even the CBO has agreed. Even if you reduce awards by law, the net effect on health care premiums is negligible.
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 6:29 PM
He doesn’t care what it looks like, he just wants to be able to say he did it. Oy vay.
ctmom on June 16, 2009 at 6:32 PM
4 trillion dollars?
He hasn’t given us honest number before now. He won’t get honest now either. Obama the fool is no more qualified to fix healthcare than the black panthers are qualified to do hernia repairs.
seven on June 16, 2009 at 6:33 PM
Obama is the single most dangerous radical ever to stand in the Oval Office.
Jaibones on June 16, 2009 at 6:39 PM
I can say this as a 2008 McCain supporter, fundraiser and voter:
Screw you, McCain! You had the chance to win this vote. You systematically knee capped yourself and this country from bringing forth the truth against this monster that is now the Precedent. You chose not to fight. You lost this Country’s freedom. Let us hope that there are men that can fight again to regain what we had.
Nothing you say is of worth anymore. Retire, and take your pasty little doughball fat mouthed money hungry for book deals daughter with you. (No offense AP).
/Rant off.
Key West Reader on June 16, 2009 at 6:47 PM
To which, Obama slyly grins, and thinks, “aint life grand.”
JiangxiDad on June 16, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Remember when the Libs said CBO numbers were gospel? Phony radical freaks.
marklmail on June 16, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Well, we could sell the White House and have the Obama administration move into little FEMA trailers; Sell the Capitol & Treasury buildings, they can set up a tent city for their offices.
Inflation is gonna hurt more people than Obamacare will help.
TN Mom on June 16, 2009 at 6:50 PM
With the utmost respect, Dad:
Malpractice costs drive premiums. Believe it or not, zero made a salient point about practicing “defensive” medicine to protect good doctors from med mal suits.
Now, the next biggest cost driver? Welfare mommas, poppas and childrens who get a sore throat and don’t want to wait in some nasty little walk in clinic that takes Medicare. Nope! They take the ambulance straight to the Emergency room, go through triage, wait a short time, get their temp taken, a quick antibiotic and out the door they go. While patients suffering broken bones, heart palpitations, possible strokes and seizures wait in the waiting room, because they drove themselves to the hospital.
Let’s see if zero comes out and mandates NO coverage under medicaid or medicare for sore throats, cut feets and hurting teeth for welfare recipients.
/when pigs fly.
Key West Reader on June 16, 2009 at 6:52 PM
$4 Trillion?
Are we just pulling money of out thin air?
This is getting ridiculous. I keep expecting the next program to be quoted as something like 9 gazillion dollars.
Wagu beef and free catscans for everyone!
BakerAllie on June 16, 2009 at 6:54 PM
To: U.S. Treasury
Your check, in the amount of $4 Trillion Dollars and zero cents has been returned for Insuffient Funds.
Please make a deposit ASAP.
The Peoples’ Bank
TN Mom on June 16, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Uhh… Mom? That’s a notice that will be sent to you, the taxpayer and fundress of the Treasury.
Are you ready for that?
Yes, we Can!
/Good Lord.
Key West Reader on June 16, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Where is AnnainCA to tell us that she “Just doesn’t get why people who are against Government run Healthcare are so hateful”.
Come on Anna, or Axelrod said you won’t get your check this month.
GunRunner on June 16, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Video: ObamaCare an “Old Joke”; Update: Cost now $1.6 trillion; Update: $4 trillion?
Joe Caps on June 16, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Dear D.C.:
We’re broke. You’re broke. Stop spending now. Srsly.
kthxbye
aero on June 16, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Yes but look at what happened with SCHIP, It was originally for kids whose parents made under $15K a year. Now it is up to $120K in some states.
My proposal would cap it at a % of the economy but entrench it in the constitution so it can’t be changed on a whim. And yes I know it is unrealistic to ever happen…a guy can dream though.
angryed on June 16, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Don’t worry, unicorns crap gold rings.
BobMbx on June 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM
McCain says scrap it and start over.
At least he’s half-right!
DngrMse on June 17, 2009 at 4:18 AM
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